CeGl In Progress - Late Game Advice Wanted

Sunday, 5th June 2016, 00:14 by Muhahaha

So I decided to get back into Crawl. I have one win years ago, but things have changed quite a bit. Rolled this character on whim; Wanted to try Qazial, and decided to downplay all his noise by running a race that isn't stealthy anyway. Found some stupidly good artifact chain armor to give me a bunch of AC early on, and the rod of freaking clouds while worshiping a god that made me immune to whatever clouds it spits out.

Then I found the Shield of Resistance, a great artifact trident, and a passable hand crossbow, and managed to reach the point where I can melee iron dragons without much difficulty. I just decided to turn spellcasting on to see if I can get some low level spells online, when I find the armor of the freaking dragon king. It isn't actually that much better than my +12 Chain armor at the moment, and likely takes any sort of casting out of the question completely, but combined with Qazial's passive resistance and my shield, I'm sure fire and ice threats will be trivialized for me.

Anyway, a few questions:

Should I use the Dragon Armor, or try to get some spells going? If spells, which spells are worth it for this character to pick up? If going a bit less armored is better for magic, I can get the Fairy Dragon armor instead.
Is it worth turning Evocations back on at some point to get those last few ticks of power on Cloud Cone? Acidic Fog sounds pretty badass.
I have no means of seeing invisible yet, and the layout on Spider 4 is pretty wide open. so I'm worried about having to fight multiple Ghost Moths. Can I take them blind? Or should I hold out until I can see them? I have sustain attributes if that is enough.
I'm thinking of invoking disaster area several times on the stairs at Vault 5 to clean up the mess that usually waits down there. Any idea what my target invocations skill should be to do that?
Does this character have post endgame potential? I don't envision doing a 15 rune run, but it would be nice to get more than three.

Code:: Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.18.1-8-gdd0e5ea (webtiles) character file. weirdsound the Warrior (Centaur Gladiator) Turns: 52944, Time: 07:27:47 Health: 198/198 AC: 29 Str: 26 XL: 21 Next: 98% Magic: 31/31 EV: 3 Int: 8 God: Qazlal [******] Gold: 2884 SH: 22 Dex: 11 Spells: 0 memorised, 34 levels left rFire + + . SeeInvis . G - +10 trident of Harmony {flame, *Corrode +Rage rN+} rCold + + + Gourm . d - +9 armour of the Dragon King {rPois rF+ rC+ MR+} rNeg + . . Faith . O - +2 shield of Resistance {rF+ rC+ MR+} rPois + Spirit + u - +2 helmet rElec . Dismiss . (no cloak) rCorr + Reflect . a - +2 pair of gloves SustAt . Harm . (no barding) MR ++++. Clarity + Q - amulet of guardian spirit Stlth .......... X - ring of protection from cold y - ring of resist corrosion @: repel missiles, very quick, incredibly resistant to hostile enchantments, extremely unstealthy A: hooves 3, thin skeletal structure 1, clarity, clumsy 1, deformed body, speed 2, magic resistance 1, tough skin 3 a: Upheaval, Elemental Force, Disaster Area, Renounce Religion, Evoke Berserk Rage }: 1/15 runes: decaying You are on level 3 of the Depths. You worship Qazlal. Qazlal is exalted by your worship. You are not hungry. You have visited 8 branches of the dungeon, and seen 40 of its levels. You have visited the Abyss 1 time. You have also visited: Labyrinth and Ice Cave. You have collected 4492 gold pieces. You have spent 1608 gold pieces at shops. Inventory: Hand Weapons i - the +4 trident of the Manifold Moons {pierce, rElec Str+9 Dex-4} (You found it on level 4 of the Lair of Beasts) It inflicts extra damage upon your enemies. It affects your strength (+9). It affects your dexterity (-4). It insulates you from electricity. G - the +10 trident of Harmony (weapon) {flame, *Corrode +Rage rN+} (You found it on level 5 of the Lair of Beasts) It has been specially enchanted to burn those struck by it, causing extra injury to most foes and up to half again as much damage against particularly susceptible opponents. It protects you from negative energy. It lets you go berserk. It may corrode you when you take damage. H - the +3 hand crossbow of Fragile Peace {penet, rN+ Str+3 Dex+4} (You bought it in a shop on level 2 of the Orcish Mines) Ammo fired by it will pass through the targets it hits, potentially hitting all targets in its path until it reaches maximum range. It affects your strength (+3). It affects your dexterity (+4). It protects you from negative energy. R - the +1 whip "Busuob Ynoa" {flame, MP+9 Str+6} (You found it in an ice cave) It has been specially enchanted to burn those struck by it, causing extra injury to most foes and up to half again as much damage against particularly susceptible opponents. It affects your strength (+6). It affects your magic capacity (+9). Missiles L - 629 bolts Armour a - a +2 pair of gloves (worn) d - the +9 armour of the Dragon King (worn) {rPois rF+ rC+ MR+} (You took it off a tengu warrior on level 3 of the Depths) It protects you from fire. It protects you from cold. It protects you from poison. It affects your resistance to hostile enchantments. u - a +2 helmet (worn) F - the +12 chain mail "Lasilyl" {Int+3} (You found it on level 5 of the Dungeon) It affects your intelligence (+3). O - the +2 shield of Resistance (worn) {rF+ rC+ MR+} (You bought it in a shop on level 2 of the Orcish Mines) It protects you from fire. It protects you from cold. It affects your resistance to hostile enchantments. Rods s - a +0 rod of clouds (11/11) (You took it off a minotaur in a labyrinth) t - a +2 rod of shadows (14/14) (You found it in a labyrinth) Jewellery n - an uncursed ring of protection from fire y - a ring of resist corrosion (left hand) N - an uncursed ring of flight Q - an amulet of guardian spirit (around neck) T - an uncursed ring of poison resistance X - a ring of protection from cold (right hand) Wands e - a wand of paralysis (11/24) p - a wand of lightning (3/15) z - a wand of hasting (2/9) U - a wand of teleportation (5/9) V - a wand of digging (9/24) W - a wand of enslavement (14/24) Scrolls b - 5 scrolls of teleportation j - 7 scrolls of identify w - 12 scrolls of remove curse x - 5 scrolls of magic mapping E - a scroll of holy word Potions c - 5 potions of magic h - 3 potions of cure mutation o - 5 potions of flight q - a potion of cancellation v - 2 potions of resistance D - 2 potions of curing I - 2 potions of heal wounds J - a potion of invisibility K - 3 potions of haste Z - a potion of might Comestibles f - 10 bread rations g - 11 meat rations k - 11 beef jerkies m - 5 royal jellies A - 10 slices of pizza S - 7 fruits Skills: - Level 19.0 Fighting - Level 15.0 Polearms Level 11.1 Bows - Level 15.9 Crossbows - Level 2.1 Throwing * Level 8.0 Armour - Level 2.1 Dodging - Level 9.0 Shields - Level 7.1 Spellcasting - Level 11.5 Invocations - Level 14.0 Evocations You have 34 spell levels left. You don't know any spells. Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations Branches: Dungeon (15/15) Temple (1/1) D:7 Lair (8/8) D:8 Swamp (4/4) Lair:3 Spider (4/4) Lair:3 Slime (0/6) Lair:7 Orc (2/2) D:9 Elf (2/3) Orc:2 Vaults (0/5) D:13 Depths (4/5) D:15 Altars: Ashenzari Cheibriados Dithmenos Elyvilon Fedhas Gozag Kikubaaqudgha Makhleb Nemelex Xobeh Okawaru Pakellas Qazlal Ru Sif Muna Trog Vehumet Xom Yredelemnul Zin The Shining One Beogh Shops: D:4 % D:15 * Orc:2 *%:% Portals: Hell: Depths:1 Depths:2 Depths:3 Abyss: Depths:1 Depths:4 Pandemonium: Depths:3 Ziggurat: Depths:3 Trove: D:11 (show abyssal rune of Zot) Annotations: D:5 exclusion: oklob plant Lair:2 exclusion: oklob plant Depths:1 3 runed doors Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations You have hooves in place of feet. Armour fits poorly on your strangely shaped body. You cover ground very quickly. You have extremely tough skin (AC +3). You have a somewhat thin skeletal structure (Dex +2, Stealth). You possess an exceptional clarity of mind. You are clumsy. (Dex -2) You are resistant to hostile enchantments. Message History You start removing your armour. You continue taking off the +12 chain mail "Lasilyl" {Int+3}. x2 Your protection from physical attacks is fading. You continue taking off the +12 chain mail "Lasilyl" {Int+3}. x2 You finish taking off the +12 chain mail "Lasilyl" {Int+3}. You start putting on your armour. You continue putting on the +9 armour of the Dragon King {rPois rF+ rC+ MR+}. x3 You feel less protected from physical attacks. You are feeling hungry. You continue putting on the +9 armour of the Dragon King {rPois rF+ rC+ MR+}. x2 You finish putting on the +9 armour of the Dragon King {rPois rF+ rC+ MR+}. Eat which item? (? for menu, Esc to quit) Mmm - a full handful of strawberries! Search for what [Enter for "book", or ? for help]? blink Can't find anything matching that. Search for what [Enter for "blink", or ? for help]? butterfl You start resting. 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Sunday, 5th June 2016, 00:28 by ajon

That's some pretty terrible EV. You need to train some dodging up. and I'm thinking some more armour to use the one you are wearing. 29 AC is winnable but more is better.

Sunday, 5th June 2016, 10:17 by mopl

You trained a lot of different things... Polearms + Crossbows + Evo + Qaz are too much offense options, and your weapons aren't that great.

Can you find a demon trident ? A glaive ? A bardiche ? If there's a glaive or bardiche somewhere, I'd consider dumping the shield, you already have nice resists and Qaz helps.

I would focus on Polearms + Invoc for offense, Armour for defense for a while...

Sunday, 5th June 2016, 13:45 by Muhahaha

mopl wrote:You trained a lot of different things... Polearms + Crossbows + Evo + Qaz are too much offense options, and your weapons aren't that great.

Can you find a demon trident ? A glaive ? A bardiche ? If there's a glaive or bardiche somewhere, I'd consider dumping the shield, you already have nice resists and Qaz helps.

I would focus on Polearms + Invoc for offense, Armour for defense for a while...

A bunch of vanilla +0 glaives lying around. I'm still used to the old scrolls of vorporalize weapon/enchant weapon I/2/3, so I have a hard time remembering that I can just make any old weapon I find on the ground badass now. I have one Brand Weapon scroll, and six enchant weapons. I think I'll hold onto the Shield and Trident through Depths and Vault 1-4, in hopes of finding a bardiche or demon trident. If I can't find something better by that point, I'll just grab a glaive. Armor and invocations in the meantime.

ajon wrote:That's some pretty terrible EV. You need to train some dodging up. and I'm thinking some more armour to use the one you are wearing. 29 AC is winnable but more is better.

Yeah. I literally took the character dump as soon as I finished trying on the new armor for the first time. I guess I'm not quite ready for it yet. In my Chainmail I have 7 EV and only 1 less point of AC, which still isn't great. In chainmail I'm also almost at the point where I can cast level 1 spells, so as I said, getting some magic online is possible if I decide not to go with the unrand armor.

Monday, 6th June 2016, 00:19 by Muhahaha

Update: I acquired some centaur barding, which helps my AC alot. Trained a bit of armor as well. Switched back to my old Chain Mail for now. Still no bardiche or demon trident, and only one Brand Weapon scroll to brand a Glaive. Also found a Glaive of pain, and I have most of the Necromancy books, but I don't think picking up another new skill just to use a weapon that isn't that great in the endgame is worth it, right?

Still have a bit more of vaults to clear. Do you think I could handle Vault 5 with what I have, or should I give up and blow my branding scroll on a glaive after clearing floor four?

Code:: Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.18.1-8-gdd0e5ea (webtiles) character file. weirdsound the Warrior (Centaur Gladiator) Turns: 62615, Time: 08:49:21 Health: 213/213 AC: 40 Str: 26 XL: 23 Next: 35% Magic: 34/34 EV: 5 Int: 11 God: Qazlal [******] Gold: 3917 SH: 22 Dex: 11 Spells: 0 memorised, 36 levels left rFire + + . SeeInvis . G - +10 trident of Harmony {flame, *Corrode +Rage rN+} rCold + + . Gourm . F - +12 chain mail "Lasilyl" {Int+3} rNeg + . . Faith . O - +2 shield of Resistance {rF+ rC+ MR+} rPois . Spirit + u - +2 helmet rElec . Dismiss . (no cloak) rCorr + Reflect . a - +2 pair of gloves SustAt . Harm . R - +4 centaur barding {rF+} MR +++.. Clarity + Q - amulet of guardian spirit Stlth .......... X - ring of protection from cold y - ring of resist corrosion @: repel missiles, drained, very quick, extremely resistant to hostile enchantments, extremely unstealthy A: hooves 3, thin skeletal structure 1, clarity, clumsy 1, deformed body, speed 2, magic resistance 1, tough skin 3 a: Upheaval, Elemental Force, Disaster Area, Renounce Religion, Evoke Berserk Rage }: 1/15 runes: decaying You are on level 2 of the Vaults. You worship Qazlal. Qazlal is exalted by your worship. You are not hungry. You have visited 9 branches of the dungeon, and seen 44 of its levels. You have visited the Abyss 1 time. You have also visited: Labyrinth and Ice Cave. You have collected 5525 gold pieces. You have spent 1608 gold pieces at shops. Inventory: Hand Weapons i - the +4 trident of the Manifold Moons {pierce, rElec Str+9 Dex-4} (You found it on level 4 of the Lair of Beasts) It inflicts extra damage upon your enemies. It affects your strength (+9). It affects your dexterity (-4). It insulates you from electricity. G - the +10 trident of Harmony (weapon) {flame, *Corrode +Rage rN+} (You found it on level 5 of the Lair of Beasts) It has been specially enchanted to burn those struck by it, causing extra injury to most foes and up to half again as much damage against particularly susceptible opponents. It protects you from negative energy. It lets you go berserk. It may corrode you when you take damage. H - the +3 hand crossbow of Fragile Peace {penet, rN+ Str+3 Dex+4} (You bought it in a shop on level 2 of the Orcish Mines) Ammo fired by it will pass through the targets it hits, potentially hitting all targets in its path until it reaches maximum range. It affects your strength (+3). It affects your dexterity (+4). It protects you from negative energy. Missiles L - 1336 bolts Armour a - a +2 pair of gloves (worn) u - a +2 helmet (worn) F - the +12 chain mail "Lasilyl" (worn) {Int+3} (You found it on level 5 of the Dungeon) It affects your intelligence (+3). O - the +2 shield of Resistance (worn) {rF+ rC+ MR+} (You bought it in a shop on level 2 of the Orcish Mines) It protects you from fire. It protects you from cold. It affects your resistance to hostile enchantments. R - a +4 centaur barding of fire resistance (worn) Rods s - a +1 rod of clouds (13/13) (You took it off a minotaur in a labyrinth) t - a +2 rod of shadows (14/14) (You found it in a labyrinth) Jewellery n - an uncursed ring of protection from fire y - a ring of resist corrosion (left hand) N - an uncursed ring of flight Q - an amulet of guardian spirit (around neck) T - an uncursed ring of poison resistance X - a ring of protection from cold (right hand) Wands e - a wand of paralysis (11/24) p - a wand of lightning (3/15) z - a wand of hasting (2/9) C - a wand of enslavement U - a wand of teleportation (5/9) V - a wand of digging (9/24) Scrolls b - 4 scrolls of teleportation j - 6 scrolls of identify w - 13 scrolls of remove curse x - 6 scrolls of magic mapping E - 2 scrolls of fog S - a scroll of fear Y - 2 scrolls of blinking Potions c - 5 potions of magic h - a potion of ambrosia o - 5 potions of flight q - a potion of cancellation r - 4 potions of agility v - 2 potions of resistance D - 2 potions of curing I - 3 potions of heal wounds J - 3 potions of invisibility K - 5 potions of haste Z - 4 potions of might Miscellaneous l - a stone of tremors Comestibles d - 3 fruits f - 17 bread rations g - 14 meat rations k - 10 beef jerkies m - 5 royal jellies A - 10 slices of pizza Skills: - Level 19.0(18.9) Fighting - Level 15.0(14.9) Polearms Level 11.1 Bows - Level 15.9 Crossbows - Level 2.1 Throwing - Level 12.4 Armour - Level 2.1 Dodging - Level 9.0(8.9) Shields - Level 7.1(7.0) Spellcasting * Level 15.0 Invocations - Level 14.0(13.9) Evocations You have 36 spell levels left. You don't know any spells. Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations Branches: Dungeon (15/15) Temple (1/1) D:7 Lair (8/8) D:8 Swamp (4/4) Lair:3 Spider (4/4) Lair:3 Slime (0/6) Lair:7 Orc (2/2) D:9 Elf (2/3) Orc:2 Vaults (3/5) D:13 Crypt (0/3) Vaults:3 Depths (5/5) D:15 Zot (0/5) Depths:5 Altars: Ashenzari Cheibriados Dithmenos Elyvilon Fedhas Gozag Kikubaaqudgha Makhleb Nemelex Xobeh Okawaru Pakellas Qazlal Ru Sif Muna Trog Vehumet Xom Yredelemnul Zin The Shining One Beogh Shops: D:4 % D:15 * Orc:2 *%:% Portals: Hell: Depths:1 Depths:2 Depths:3 Depths:4 Depths:5 Abyss: Depths:1 Depths:4 Pandemonium: Depths:3 Ziggurat: Depths:3 Trove: D:11 (show abyssal rune of Zot) Annotations: D:5 exclusion: oklob plant Lair:2 exclusion: oklob plant Depths:1 3 runed doors Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations You have hooves in place of feet. Armour fits poorly on your strangely shaped body. You cover ground very quickly. You have extremely tough skin (AC +3). You have a somewhat thin skeletal structure (Dex +2, Stealth). You possess an exceptional clarity of mind. You are clumsy. (Dex -2) You are resistant to hostile enchantments. Message History There is an open door here. There is an open door here. The curse skull gives a chilling moan. The curse skull rattles its jaw. A wight comes into view. It is wielding an enchanted spear. The curse skull rattles its jaw. The curse skull rattles its jaw. Things that are here: an enchanted glaive; a chain mail There is an open door here. There is an open door here. There is a stone staircase leading up here. You climb upwards. There is a stone staircase leading down here. Eat which item? (? for menu, Esc to quit) Mmm... Chicken. Welcome back, weirdsound the Centaur Gladiator. Qazlal says: Let the forces of nature tear it all down! Press ? for a list of commands and other information. 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Monday, 6th June 2016, 06:57 by mopl

Clear V:4 and Crypt with Invocations focus. Then you sould be able to handle V:5, and don't forget about Disaster Area...

I'd wait V:5 for a last weapon chance then brand a glaive... You could also have a loot in the Vestibule of Hell (stairdance) for a demon trident... Depending on the Crypt:3 map, you can maybe find knight wielding some...

Monday, 6th June 2016, 08:49 by Muhahaha

mopl wrote:Clear V:4 and Crypt with Invocations focus. Then you sould be able to handle V:5, and don't forget about Disaster Area...

I'd wait V:5 for a last weapon chance then brand a glaive... You could also have a loot in the Vestibule of Hell (stairdance) for a demon trident... Depending on the Crypt:3 map, you can maybe find knight wielding some...

Alright!

Good news! I Found myself a demon trident of electrocution on the first floor of the crypt.
The bad news is Mara is holding onto it.
The worse news is he is in a room full of other nasty monsters.

Code:: Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.18.1-8-gdd0e5ea (webtiles) character file. weirdsound the Warrior (Centaur Gladiator) Turns: 65906, Time: 09:23:50 Health: 209/213 AC: 43 Str: 26 XL: 23 Next: 92% Magic: 31/36 EV: 5 Int: 11 God: Qazlal [******] Gold: 4037 SH: 22 Dex: 19 Spells: 0 memorised, 36 levels left rFire + + . SeeInvis . G - +10 trident of Harmony {flame, *Corrode +Rage rN+} rCold + + . Gourm . F - +12 chain mail "Lasilyl" {Int+3} rNeg + . . Faith . O - +2 shield of Resistance {rF+ rC+ MR+} rPois . Spirit + u - +2 helmet rElec + Dismiss . P - +1 cloak of the Special Planets {*Contam *Confuse rElec Dex+8} rCorr + Reflect . a - +2 pair of gloves SustAt . Harm . R - +4 centaur barding {rF+} MR +++.. Clarity + Q - amulet of guardian spirit Stlth .......... X - ring of protection from cold y - ring of resist corrosion @: repel missiles, drained, very quick, extremely resistant to hostile enchantments, extremely unstealthy A: hooves 3, thin skeletal structure 1, clarity, clumsy 1, deformed body, speed 2, magic resistance 1, tough skin 3 a: Upheaval, Elemental Force, Disaster Area, Renounce Religion, Evoke Berserk Rage }: 1/15 runes: decaying You are on level 1 of the Crypt. You worship Qazlal. Qazlal is exalted by your worship. You are full. You have visited 10 branches of the dungeon, and seen 46 of its levels. You have visited the Abyss 1 time. You have also visited: Labyrinth and Ice Cave. You have collected 5645 gold pieces. You have spent 1608 gold pieces at shops. Inventory: Hand Weapons i - the +4 trident of the Manifold Moons {pierce, rElec Str+9 Dex-4} (You found it on level 4 of the Lair of Beasts) It inflicts extra damage upon your enemies. It affects your strength (+9). It affects your dexterity (-4). It insulates you from electricity. G - the +10 trident of Harmony (weapon) {flame, *Corrode +Rage rN+} (You found it on level 5 of the Lair of Beasts) It has been specially enchanted to burn those struck by it, causing extra injury to most foes and up to half again as much damage against particularly susceptible opponents. It protects you from negative energy. It lets you go berserk. It may corrode you when you take damage. H - the +3 hand crossbow of Fragile Peace {penet, rN+ Str+3 Dex+4} (You bought it in a shop on level 2 of the Orcish Mines) Ammo fired by it will pass through the targets it hits, potentially hitting all targets in its path until it reaches maximum range. It affects your strength (+3). It affects your dexterity (+4). It protects you from negative energy. Missiles L - 1360 bolts Armour a - a +2 pair of gloves (worn) u - a +2 helmet (worn) F - the +12 chain mail "Lasilyl" (worn) {Int+3} (You found it on level 5 of the Dungeon) It affects your intelligence (+3). O - the +2 shield of Resistance (worn) {rF+ rC+ MR+} (You bought it in a shop on level 2 of the Orcish Mines) It protects you from fire. It protects you from cold. It affects your resistance to hostile enchantments. P - the +1 cloak of the Special Planets (worn) {*Contam *Confuse rElec Dex+8} (You found it on level 4 of the Vaults) It affects your dexterity (+8). It insulates you from electricity. It causes magical contamination when unequipped. It may confuse you when you take damage. R - a +4 centaur barding of fire resistance (worn) Rods s - a +1 rod of clouds (13/13) (You took it off a minotaur in a labyrinth) t - a +2 rod of shadows (14/14) (You found it in a labyrinth) Jewellery n - an uncursed ring of protection from fire y - a ring of resist corrosion (left hand) N - an uncursed ring of flight Q - an amulet of guardian spirit (around neck) T - an uncursed ring of poison resistance X - a ring of protection from cold (right hand) Wands e - a wand of paralysis (11/24) p - a wand of lightning (3/15) z - a wand of hasting (2/9) C - a wand of enslavement U - a wand of teleportation (5/9) V - a wand of digging (9/24) Scrolls b - 3 scrolls of teleportation j - 5 scrolls of identify r - a scroll of recharging w - 13 scrolls of remove curse x - 6 scrolls of magic mapping B - a scroll of amnesia E - 2 scrolls of fog M - a scroll of enchant weapon Y - 4 scrolls of blinking Potions c - 5 potions of magic h - a potion of ambrosia o - 5 potions of flight q - a potion of cancellation v - 2 potions of resistance D - 2 potions of curing I - 3 potions of heal wounds J - 3 potions of invisibility K - 5 potions of haste Z - 4 potions of might Comestibles d - 2 fruits f - 19 bread rations g - 13 meat rations k - 10 beef jerkies m - 5 royal jellies A - 7 slices of pizza Skills: - Level 19.0(18.2) Fighting - Level 15.0(14.3) Polearms Level 11.1(10.5) Bows - Level 15.9(15.3) Crossbows - Level 2.1(1.7) Throwing - Level 12.4(11.8) Armour - Level 2.1(1.7) Dodging - Level 9.0(8.4) Shields - Level 7.1(6.5) Spellcasting * Level 18.1(17.4) Invocations - Level 14.0(13.3) Evocations You have 36 spell levels left. You don't know any spells. Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations Branches: Dungeon (15/15) Temple (1/1) D:7 Lair (8/8) D:8 Swamp (4/4) Lair:3 Spider (4/4) Lair:3 Slime (0/6) Lair:7 Orc (2/2) D:9 Elf (2/3) Orc:2 Vaults (4/5) D:13 Crypt (1/3) Vaults:3 Depths (5/5) D:15 Zot (0/5) Depths:5 Altars: Ashenzari Cheibriados Dithmenos Elyvilon Fedhas Gozag Kikubaaqudgha Makhleb Nemelex Xobeh Okawaru Pakellas Qazlal Ru Sif Muna Trog Vehumet Xom Yredelemnul Zin The Shining One Beogh Shops: D:4 % D:15 * Orc:2 *%:% Vaults:4 **:% Portals: Hell: Depths:1 Depths:2 Depths:3 Depths:4 Depths:5 Abyss: Depths:1 Depths:4 Pandemonium: Depths:3 Ziggurat: Depths:3 Trove: D:11 (show abyssal rune of Zot) Annotations: D:5 exclusion: oklob plant Lair:2 exclusion: oklob plant Crypt:1 Mara Depths:1 3 runed doors Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations You have hooves in place of feet. Armour fits poorly on your strangely shaped body. You cover ground very quickly. You have extremely tough skin (AC +3). You have a somewhat thin skeletal structure (Dex +2, Stealth). You possess an exceptional clarity of mind. You are clumsy. (Dex -2) You are resistant to hostile enchantments. Message History The ghostly flame explodes! The ghostly fireball engulfs you! You partially resist. Items here: ( ) [[ a robe; a mace; a chain mail; 4 bolts Aiming: Upheaval Press: ? - help, Dir - move target cursor, p - ghoul A storm cloud blasts the area with cutting wind! The cutting wind hits the ghoul. The ghoul is lightly damaged. The cutting wind hits the eidolon. The eidolon gets badly buffeted. The eidolon is almost destroyed. The cutting wind hits the deep elf death mage. The deep elf death mage is moderately wounded. The ghoul is struck by lightning. Mara and a zombie come into view. Zapping: e - a wand of paralysis (11/24) Press: ? - help, Shift-Dir - straight line, f - Mara Aim: Mara, wielding a demon trident of electrocution and wearing a robe (chance to defeat MR: 0%) Okay, then. Char dumped successfully. ####.### #.# WV ###W## #.#.## # #.## #.# #.Z Z.(.###.# #.#..# #..## #.# #. Â§Â§Â§.#.#)# #.#Â§Â§. ##.Z# #.#.' e>Â§.'.#)# #..Â§.. ##.# #.#( >..L# #.# #..Â§.. #z# #.## Ln..# #.# ###..# #z# ##.### Â§.. #.# ##.# #.## ##..###R## ##.# .). ##Z## ###))@((# #.## ... ##.## ####### ##.# .... ##Z### ##.## .... ##W.#########W## ###(........## ########### You can see a ghoul, Mara, an ancient lich, a revenant, a deep elf death mage and an emperor scorpion zombie.

In addition to what I can see in the dump, I know there is also an Eidolon in the room. I usually skip Mara when I see him on his own, and he has backup. You guys have any ideas on how to proceed here? Think I have a chance at hasting or bezerking to pop him in melee before he blinks or summons more maras?

Monday, 6th June 2016, 09:46 by Hands

Berserking here is a bad idea.

Wednesday, 8th June 2016, 05:43 by Muhahaha

Alright. Made some serious progress.

Got that trident off Mara (exploited haste and piercing in a corridor). Enchanted it up, and started kicking ass and taking names. Got some translocations online to help get out of pickles. Picked up the runes from Spider, Vaults, and Abyss, and started working on Zot.

It was around running into my first Orb of Fire that it dawned on me that the recent removal of resist mutation amulets might change the conventional wisdom regarding the order in which one tackles the endgame branches. I have four cure mutation potions left, so would it be smart for me to focus on the (typically considered more difficult) endgame branches without mutators? I'm guessing that means Hell. Using either my old artifact trident (see earlier dumps, it isn't presently in inventory) or my crossbow on top of two rings, I can reach rN+++, while getting two ticks of fire and ice resistance from my shield and armor and perhaps more from my god, I should be fine in theory. I'm thinking perhaps Cocytus, because I ID'd a legendary deck of summonings with Foxfire as the top card, which the wiki says will annihilate the boss.

Perhaps I could pick up some summoning and spawn minions to block malmutators line of fire? That would allow me to do Zot and the 'easier' post endgame branches without as much fear of mutation. I have access to Sputterflies... and with a bit of scumming the abyss for training could try to get something a bit more meaty online as well, especially in branches where I don't feel I need the extra resists from my gold dragon armor.

As of now, I think my goal is to get five or six runes, and kill my first hell/pan lord. Any suggestions on how to proceed?

Code:: Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.18.1-8-gdd0e5ea (webtiles) character file. weirdsound the End of an Era (Centaur Gladiator) Turns: 93856, Time: 14:35:30 Health: 217/243 AC: 49 Str: 28 XL: 27 Magic: 34/34 EV: 8 Int: 9 God: Qazlal [******] Gold: 6799 SH: 22 Dex: 13 Spells: 6 memorised, 21 levels left rFire + + + SeeInvis + l - +7 demon trident (elec) rCold + + + Gourm . N - +9 armour of the Dragon King {rPois rF+ rC+ MR+} rNeg + + . Faith . O - +2 shield of Resistance {rF+ rC+ MR+} rPois + Spirit . u - +2 helmet rElec . Dismiss . T - +2 cloak rCorr . Reflect . a - +2 pair of gloves SustAt . Harm . R - +4 centaur barding {rF+} MR +++++ Rnd*Rage + r - amulet of Agylare {rC+ Regen+ Str+2 SInv} Stlth .......... B - ring of positive energy p - ring of positive energy @: protected from fire, repel missiles, very quick, almost entirely resistant to hostile enchantments, extremely unstealthy A: hooves 3, berserk 1, deformed body, speed 2, low mp 1, magic resistance 2, slow regeneration 1, tough skin 3 a: Upheaval, Elemental Force, Disaster Area, Renounce Religion }: 4/15 runes: decaying, silver, abyssal, gossamer You are on level 2 of the Realm of Zot. You worship Qazlal. Qazlal is exalted by your worship. You are not hungry. You have visited 12 branches of the dungeon, and seen 54 of its levels. You have visited the Abyss 10 times. You have also visited: Labyrinth and Ice Cave. You have collected 8786 gold pieces. You have spent 1987 gold pieces at shops. Inventory: Hand Weapons l - a +7 demon trident of electrocution (weapon) H - the +3 hand crossbow of Fragile Peace {penet, rN+ Str+3 Dex+4} (You bought it in a shop on level 2 of the Orcish Mines) Ammo fired by it will pass through the targets it hits, potentially hitting all targets in its path until it reaches maximum range. It affects your strength (+3). It affects your dexterity (+4). It protects you from negative energy. Missiles L - 1832 bolts Armour a - a +2 pair of gloves (worn) u - a +2 helmet (worn) N - the +9 armour of the Dragon King (worn) {rPois rF+ rC+ MR+} (You took it off a tengu warrior on level 3 of the Depths) It protects you from fire. It protects you from cold. It protects you from poison. It affects your resistance to hostile enchantments. O - the +2 shield of Resistance (worn) {rF+ rC+ MR+} (You bought it in a shop on level 2 of the Orcish Mines) It protects you from fire. It protects you from cold. It affects your resistance to hostile enchantments. R - a +4 centaur barding of fire resistance (worn) T - a +2 cloak (worn) Rods s - a +1 rod of clouds (11/13) (You took it off a minotaur in a labyrinth) t - a +2 rod of shadows (14/14) (You found it in a labyrinth) Jewellery n - an uncursed ring of protection from fire p - a ring of positive energy (left hand) r - the amulet of Agylare (around neck) {rC+ Regen+ Str+2 SInv} (You found it on level 3 of the Crypt) [amulet of regeneration] It affects your strength (+2). It protects you from cold. It lets you see invisible. It increases your rate of regeneration. B - a ring of positive energy (right hand) Q - an uncursed amulet of guardian spirit X - an uncursed ring of protection from cold Wands e - a wand of paralysis (9/24) z - a wand of hasting (7/9) G - a wand of iceblast (6/15) U - a wand of teleportation (5/9) V - a wand of digging (5/24) Scrolls b - 2 scrolls of teleportation j - 6 scrolls of identify w - 3 scrolls of recharging x - 7 scrolls of magic mapping E - 5 scrolls of fog J - a scroll of silence M - 2 scrolls of fear S - a scroll of holy word Y - 3 scrolls of blinking Z - a scroll of remove curse Potions c - 2 potions of agility h - a potion of might o - 7 potions of flight q - a potion of cancellation v - 2 potions of resistance D - 5 potions of curing I - 5 potions of heal wounds K - 3 potions of haste W - a potion of magic Books F - a book of Minor Magic Spells Type Level a - Magic Dart Conjuration 1 b - Blink Translocation 2 c - Call Imp Summoning 2 d - Repel Missiles Charms/Air 2 e - Slow Hexes 2 f - Conjure Flame Conjuration/Fire 3 g - Mephitic Cloud Conjuration/Poison/Air 3 Miscellaneous i - a phantom mirror y - a stone of tremors C - a fan of gales Comestibles d - 10 fruits f - 22 bread rations g - 16 meat rations k - 9 beef jerkies m - 6 royal jellies A - 7 slices of pizza P - 4 chunks of flesh Skills: - Level 19.0 Fighting - Level 15.0 Polearms Level 11.1 Bows - Level 15.9 Crossbows - Level 2.1 Throwing * Level 16.5 Armour - Level 14.1 Dodging - Level 9.0 Shields - Level 7.1 Spellcasting - Level 4.6 Necromancy - Level 16.6 Translocations - Level 23.0 Invocations - Level 14.0 Evocations You have 21 spell levels left. You know the following spells: Your Spells Type Power Failure Level Hunger a - Apportation Tloc ####...... 1% 1 None b - Blink Tloc N/A 1% 2 ##..... c - Teleport Other Tloc ####.... 1% 3 ###.... d - Passage of Golubria Tloc N/A 4% 4 ####... e - Dispersal Tloc ####...... 67% 6 ####### f - Regeneration Chrm/Necr #......... 100% 3 ###.... Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations Branches: Dungeon (15/15) Temple (1/1) D:7 Lair (8/8) D:8 Swamp (4/4) Lair:3 Spider (4/4) Lair:3 Slime (0/6) Lair:7 Orc (2/2) D:9 Elf (3/3) Orc:2 Vaults (5/5) D:13 Crypt (3/3) Vaults:3 Tomb (0/3) Crypt:3 Depths (5/5) D:15 Hell (1/1) Zot (3/5) Depths:5 Dis: Hell:1 Geh: Hell:1 Coc: Hell:1 Tar: Hell:1 Altars: Ashenzari Cheibriados Dithmenos Elyvilon Fedhas Gozag Kikubaaqudgha Makhleb Nemelex Xobeh Okawaru Pakellas Qazlal Ru Sif Muna Trog Vehumet Xom Yredelemnul Zin The Shining One Beogh Shops: D:4 % D:15 * Orc:2 *%:% Elf:3 ( Vaults:4 **:% Portals: Hell: Depths:1 Depths:2 Depths:3 Depths:4 Depths:5 Abyss: Depths:1 Depths:4 Pandemonium: Depths:3 Ziggurat: Depths:3 Trove: D:11 (show abyssal rune of Zot) Annotations: D:5 exclusion: oklob plant Lair:2 exclusion: oklob plant Depths:1 3 runed doors Hell Geryon Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations You have hooves in place of feet. Armour fits poorly on your strangely shaped body. You cover ground very quickly. You have extremely tough skin (AC +3). You tend to lose your temper in combat. Your magical capacity is low (-10% MP). You are highly resistant to hostile enchantments. You regenerate slowly when monsters are visible. Message History The bolt of fire hits you! You resist. You feel more protected from fire. The orb of fire glows deep purple. Strange energies course through your body. You feel more resistant to hostile enchantments. You hear a roar! x3 There is a stone staircase leading up, spattered with blood here. You climb upwards. There is a stone staircase leading down here. Eat one of 5 chunks of flesh? (ye/n/q/i?) This raw flesh tastes terrible. You continue eating. x2 Welcome back, weirdsound the Centaur Gladiator. Qazlal says: Let the forces of nature tear it all down! Press ? for a list of commands and other information. Char dumped successfully. Cast which spell? (? or * to list) Okay, then. Char dumped successfully. 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Wednesday, 8th June 2016, 07:50 by mopl

Wow, that's some serious improvement of the character !

Don't overestimate Malmutate. Don't overestimate rN either.

If you can get some rCorr, Slime shouldn't be that hard. Don't forget to bring ?immolation there. And you're fast enough to avoid the few malmutators (shining eyes) you can find down there. That would make 5 runes.

If you really want some more, check Pan, do not explore, rush to portals, you'll be told when you enter a rune level (not for the demonic one though, but there are themed-floor you will recognize : cold, holy, hellio island...)

Do not bother about OoF malmutate. When you fight them, you have *almost* already won. Get the Orb and escape with a few bat mutations...

Wednesday, 8th June 2016, 11:00 by Muhahaha

Alright. Dealt with the royal jelly by hitting it a few times, reading immolation, blinking to a safe distance, and invoking disaster area. In addition to the rune, I found a highly enchanted artifact Glaive of pain in the vaults at branch end. I know pain is a bit less useful in the endgame, but it should hold its own in Zot. There are also some bardiches now, include a +1 freezing specimen, and I have 2 scrolls of branding and 2-3 more enchant weapons at the moment. I also found the Unrand Damnation Crossbow (not currently in my inventory), which is the real reason I'm considering ditching the shield.

Should I ditch the shield and go two handed at this point? If I want to use the Glaive in Zot, how high should I get my necromancy skill? Are there any specific non-rare items or low to mid level spells that would be good for my character in Pan? Pleanty of things I have found but are not in my inventory. I'm also not opposed to scumming the Abyss for some EXP to get specific spells online - I have plenty of food, and a bunch of food shops spawned for me this run that I can exploit if I run low on what is in my inventory.

Code:: Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.18.1-8-gdd0e5ea (webtiles) character file. weirdsound the Centaur Cataclysm (CeGl) Turns: 98812, Time: 15:27:21 HP: 242/242 (243) AC: 50 Str: 28 XL: 27 MP: 38/38 EV: 8 Int: 9 God: Qazlal [*****.] Gold: 6923 SH: 22 Dex: 13 Spells: 6 memorised, 21 levels left rFire + + + SeeInvis + l - +7 demon trident (elec) rCold + + + Gourm . N - +9 armour of the Dragon King {rPois rF+ rC+ MR+} rNeg + . . Faith . O - +2 shield of Resistance {rF+ rC+ MR+} rPois + Spirit . u - +2 helmet rElec . Dismiss . T - +2 cloak rCorr + Reflect . a - +2 pair of gloves SustAt . Harm . R - +4 centaur barding {rF+} MR +++++ r - amulet of Agylare {rC+ Regen+ Str+2 SInv} Stlth .......... o - ring of resist corrosion p - ring of positive energy @: repel missiles, very quick, almost entirely resistant to hostile enchantments, extremely unstealthy A: hooves 3, deformed body, speed 2, magic resistance 1, tough skin 3 a: Upheaval, Elemental Force, Disaster Area, Renounce Religion }: 5/15 runes: decaying, slimy, silver, abyssal, gossamer You are on level 2 of the Elven Halls. You worship Qazlal. Qazlal is extremely pleased with you. You are not hungry. You have visited 13 branches of the dungeon, and seen 60 of its levels. You have visited the Abyss 10 times. You have also visited: Labyrinth and Ice Cave. You have collected 9015 gold pieces. You have spent 2092 gold pieces at shops. Inventory: Hand Weapons l - a +7 demon trident of electrocution (weapon) H - the +3 hand crossbow of Fragile Peace {penet, rN+ Str+3 Dex+4} (You bought it in a shop on level 2 of the Orcish Mines) Ammo fired by it will pass through the targets it hits, potentially hitting all targets in its path until it reaches maximum range. It affects your strength (+3). It affects your dexterity (+4). It protects you from negative energy. J - the +8 glaive of Annoyance {pain, rPois Int-3 Dex-4 Stlth+} (You found it on level 6 of the Pits of Slime) In the hands of one skilled in necromantic magic, it inflicts extra damage on living creatures. It affects your intelligence (-3). It affects your dexterity (-4). It protects you from poison. It makes you more stealthy. Z - a +1 bardiche of freezing Missiles L - 1830 bolts Armour a - a +2 pair of gloves (worn) u - a +2 helmet (worn) N - the +9 armour of the Dragon King (worn) {rPois rF+ rC+ MR+} (You took it off a tengu warrior on level 3 of the Depths) It protects you from fire. It protects you from cold. It protects you from poison. It affects your resistance to hostile enchantments. O - the +2 shield of Resistance (worn) {rF+ rC+ MR+} (You bought it in a shop on level 2 of the Orcish Mines) It protects you from fire. It protects you from cold. It affects your resistance to hostile enchantments. R - a +4 centaur barding of fire resistance (worn) T - a +2 cloak (worn) Rods s - a +1 rod of clouds (13/13) (You took it off a minotaur in a labyrinth) t - a +2 rod of shadows (14/14) (You found it in a labyrinth) Q - a -1 iron rod (11/11) (You found it on level 6 of the Pits of Slime) Jewellery h - a ring of intelligence n - an uncursed ring of protection from fire o - a ring of resist corrosion (right hand) p - a ring of positive energy (left hand) r - the amulet of Agylare (around neck) {rC+ Regen+ Str+2 SInv} (You found it on level 3 of the Crypt) [amulet of regeneration] It affects your strength (+2). It protects you from cold. It lets you see invisible. It increases your rate of regeneration. B - an uncursed ring of positive energy X - an uncursed ring of protection from cold Wands e - a wand of paralysis (9/24) z - a wand of hasting (7/9) G - a wand of iceblast (6/15) U - a wand of teleportation (4/9) V - a wand of digging (3/24) Scrolls b - 2 scrolls of teleportation j - 4 scrolls of identify w - 4 scrolls of recharging x - 6 scrolls of magic mapping E - 5 scrolls of fog F - 3 scrolls of immolation M - 2 scrolls of fear S - a scroll of holy word Y - 3 scrolls of blinking Potions c - 2 potions of agility q - a potion of cancellation v - 2 potions of resistance D - 5 potions of curing I - 5 potions of heal wounds K - 3 potions of haste P - 3 potions of cure mutation W - a potion of invisibility Miscellaneous i - a phantom mirror y - a stone of tremors C - a fan of gales Comestibles d - 10 fruits f - 21 bread rations g - 16 meat rations k - 7 beef jerkies m - 6 royal jellies A - 5 slices of pizza Skills: - Level 19.0 Fighting - Level 15.0 Polearms Level 11.1 Bows - Level 15.9 Crossbows - Level 2.1 Throwing - Level 18.0 Armour - Level 14.1 Dodging - Level 9.0 Shields - Level 7.1 Spellcasting - Level 4.6 Necromancy * Level 17.7 Translocations - Level 23.0 Invocations - Level 14.0 Evocations You have 21 spell levels left. You know the following spells: Your Spells Type Power Failure Level Hunger a - Apportation Tloc #####..... 1% 1 None b - Blink Tloc N/A 1% 2 ##..... c - Teleport Other Tloc #####... 1% 3 ###.... d - Passage of Golubria Tloc N/A 1% 4 ####... e - Dispersal Tloc #####..... 30% 6 ####### f - Regeneration Chrm/Necr #......... 100% 3 ###.... Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations Branches: Dungeon (15/15) Temple (1/1) D:7 Lair (8/8) D:8 Swamp (4/4) Lair:3 Spider (4/4) Lair:3 Slime (6/6) Lair:7 Orc (2/2) D:9 Elf (3/3) Orc:2 Vaults (5/5) D:13 Crypt (3/3) Vaults:3 Tomb (0/3) Crypt:3 Depths (5/5) D:15 Hell (1/1) Zot (3/5) Depths:5 Dis: Hell:1 Geh: Hell:1 Coc: Hell:1 Tar: Hell:1 Altars: Ashenzari Cheibriados Dithmenos Elyvilon Fedhas Gozag Kikubaaqudgha Makhleb Nemelex Xobeh Okawaru Pakellas Qazlal Ru Sif Muna Trog Vehumet Xom Yredelemnul Zin The Shining One Beogh Shops: D:4 % D:15 * Orc:2 *%:% Elf:3 ( Vaults:4 **:% Portals: Hell: Depths:1 Depths:2 Depths:3 Depths:4 Depths:5 Abyss: Depths:1 Depths:4 Pandemonium: Depths:3 Ziggurat: Depths:3 Trove: D:11 (show abyssal rune of Zot) Annotations: D:5 exclusion: oklob plant Lair:2 exclusion: oklob plant Slime:3 Dissolution Hell Geryon Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations You have hooves in place of feet. Armour fits poorly on your strangely shaped body. You cover ground very quickly. You have extremely tough skin (AC +3). You are resistant to hostile enchantments. Message History You see here an arrow. Items here: ( )))) [[ You see here an enchanted dagger. You see here a glaive of venom. You see here a long sword. You see here a long sword. Things that are here: a flail of protection; a mace of protection Items here: ))) [ a ring mail; an enchanted long sword; a bardiche of freezing a scimitar of draining Z - a bardiche of freezing Read which item? (? for menu, Esc to quit) Identify which item? (\ to view known items) (? for menu, Esc to quit) As you read the scroll of identify, it crumbles to dust. Z - a +1 bardiche of freezing Char dumped successfully. Welcome back, weirdsound the Centaur Gladiator. Qazlal says: Let the forces of nature tear it all down! 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Wednesday, 8th June 2016, 11:52 by mopl

I would neither use the pain glaive nor Damnation Crossbow (unless it has been changed recently : the hellfire damage was pretty bad). Training Fighting + Dodging will be more useful.

Wednesday, 8th June 2016, 12:08 by Sar

I used Hellfire back when it was 3d8 and had a positive impression, could be simply because an arbalest isn't a shoddy weapon in itself. It was buffed further in this commit, and if I understand it correctly, it's 3d12 now. Boom!

Wednesday, 8th June 2016, 12:25 by 4Hooves2Appendages

Ordinarily I'd say an elec demon trident is good enough. Together with the shield of resistance and throwing it should be great.

However, unrands are fun and you have trained xbows already, so I'd say see how you like it. Just bear in mind that some enemies are immune to the effect. Having a backup freezing/vorpal weapon would be good. Once you go for the arbalest you gotta dodge the shield, so going with a two-handed polearm is obvious. Don't bother with pain, the freezing bardiche sounds good.

I'd recommend memorising repel missles, or deflect if you don't mind training quite a bit more. Getting some summons (shadow creatures probably) can be a good get-out-of-jail-free card, but it can be frustrating with a ranged weapon. Getting haste castable would of course be great. Swiftness can be good until that's available. Spectral weapon is also pretty good, especially with a polearm.

Somewhat more esoteric: LRD will let you ninja some runes. Passage of Golubria can function as a cheaper CBlink that needs to be set up in advance.

Wednesday, 8th June 2016, 21:15 by Muhahaha

My god pick gives me reflect missiles as a passive power. Are you suggesting I change gods? If I am playing with the xbow from hell, I'm guessing that the good gods that most post game characters switch to are a bit out of the question.

Wednesday, 8th June 2016, 21:40 by crate

unless it [Damnation unrand xbow] has been changed recently : the hellfire damage was pretty bad

The hellfire/damnation damage has always been very good (it ignores AC, so it's like elec except more damage). The main problem is you use eight times as much ammo.

Thursday, 9th June 2016, 06:48 by 4Hooves2Appendages

Muhahaha wrote:My god pick gives me reflect missiles as a passive power. Are you suggesting I change gods? If I am playing with the xbow from hell, I'm guessing that the good gods that most post game characters switch to are a bit out of the question.

No, don't change gods unless you are confident you know what happens and how to deal with it. Although to be fair I imagine Qaz can be a liability in Pan and Hell.

Friday, 10th June 2016, 10:10 by Muhahaha

4Hooves2Appendages wrote:
Muhahaha wrote:My god pick gives me reflect missiles as a passive power. Are you suggesting I change gods? If I am playing with the xbow from hell, I'm guessing that the good gods that most post game characters switch to are a bit out of the question.

Although to be fair I imagine Qaz can be a liability in Pan and Hell.

Yeah... Found that out the hard way. Waking up and inviting the entire floor is all fun and games until the floor has multiple sources of Torment and Damnation.

I'm shocked my trip to Pan didn't turn this into YASD. I'm more shocked I somehow walked away with the demonic rune. I credit the sheer number of consumables I picked up scumming the Abyss for my survival.

A bit more character progress since I last posted. Abyss Scummed fighting for more HP, and various magic skills to get dispersal, regeneration, and swiftness online in my heavy armor. Pulled a Eudemon Blade off a daeva while I was down there, and scummed to get that to min delay and max enchantment as well - it served me well in Pan.

Right now I'm torn between going for the Orb and calling it the game with my first extra-rune win, or scumming some more for consumables and trying to get another rune. I really want my first kill/ninja of a major pan/hell lord. I'm thinking things might be more doable if I just bring a few digging wands, and aggressively create kill corridors in Pan, while also being mindful to leave portals with passage of golub everwhere I go to make backtracking easier. If I do hell, I might change to fire/ice dragon armor to make it easier to cast spells while retaining the appropriate resistances - I have 8 Armor Enchantment scrolls stashed. If I'm just doing one Hell, I would think I should have enough saved food to make use of a nasty spell like malign gateway in spite of my low int.

If I do decide to do the smart thing and ascend now, Am I better off using the Eudemon Blade or Demon Trident in Zot? The blade is clearly the better weapon in terms of stats, but I'm guessing more things are vulnerable to electricity than holy wrath down there, and the ability to kite things with reaching is nice. Can Eudemon blades be rebranded with scrolls? If so is it worth trying if/when I'm done with the demonic post endgame branches?

Code:: weirdsound the Centaur Cataclysm (CeGl) Turns: 122526, Time: 20:04:08 Health: 261/261 AC: 50 Str: 28 XL: 27 Magic: 40/40 EV: 8 Int: 9 God: Qazlal [*****.] Gold: 9241 SH: 22 Dex: 13 Spells: 7 memorised, 19 levels left rFire + + + SeeInvis + X - +9 eudemon blade (holy) rCold + + + Gourm . N - +9 armour of the Dragon King {rPois rF+ rC+ MR+} rNeg + + . Faith . O - +2 shield of Resistance {rF+ rC+ MR+} rPois + Spirit . u - +2 helmet rElec . Dismiss . T - +2 cloak rCorr . Reflect . a - +2 pair of gloves SustAt . Harm . R - +4 centaur barding {rF+} MR ++++. r - amulet of Agylare {rC+ Regen+ Str+2 SInv} Stlth .......... B - ring of positive energy p - ring of positive energy @: repel missiles, very quick, incredibly resistant to hostile enchantments, extremely unstealthy A: hooves 3, deformed body, speed 2, tough skin 3 a: Upheaval, Elemental Force, Disaster Area, Renounce Religion }: 6/15 runes: decaying, slimy, silver, abyssal, demonic, gossamer You are on level 3 of the Depths. You worship Qazlal. Qazlal is extremely pleased with you. You are not hungry. You have visited 14 branches of the dungeon, and seen 61 of its levels. You have visited Pandemonium 2 times, and seen 6 of its levels. You have visited the Abyss 36 times. You have also visited: Labyrinth and Ice Cave. You have collected 11333 gold pieces. You have spent 2092 gold pieces at shops. Inventory: Hand Weapons l - a +9 demon trident of electrocution H - the +3 hand crossbow of Fragile Peace {penet, rN+ Str+3 Dex+4} (You bought it in a shop on level 2 of the Orcish Mines) Ammo fired by it will pass through the targets it hits, potentially hitting all targets in its path until it reaches maximum range. It affects your strength (+3). It affects your dexterity (+4). It protects you from negative energy. X - a +9 eudemon blade of holy wrath (weapon) Missiles L - 1884 bolts Armour a - a +2 pair of gloves (worn) u - a +2 helmet (worn) N - the +9 armour of the Dragon King (worn) {rPois rF+ rC+ MR+} (You took it off a tengu warrior on level 3 of the Depths) It protects you from fire. It protects you from cold. It protects you from poison. It affects your resistance to hostile enchantments. O - the +2 shield of Resistance (worn) {rF+ rC+ MR+} (You bought it in a shop on level 2 of the Orcish Mines) It protects you from fire. It protects you from cold. It affects your resistance to hostile enchantments. R - a +4 centaur barding of fire resistance (worn) T - a +2 cloak (worn) Rods s - a +1 rod of clouds (13/13) (You took it off a minotaur in a labyrinth) t - a +2 rod of shadows (14/14) (You found it in a labyrinth) Jewellery n - a ring of protection from cold o - an uncursed ring of resist corrosion p - a ring of positive energy (left hand) r - the amulet of Agylare (around neck) {rC+ Regen+ Str+2 SInv} (You found it on level 3 of the Crypt) [amulet of regeneration] It affects your strength (+2). It protects you from cold. It lets you see invisible. It increases your rate of regeneration. B - a ring of positive energy (right hand) Wands e - a wand of paralysis (7/24) z - a wand of hasting (7/9) U - a wand of teleportation (3/9) V - a wand of digging (2/24) Scrolls b - 4 scrolls of teleportation h - a scroll of summoning j - 11 scrolls of identify w - 5 scrolls of recharging E - 5 scrolls of fog G - 3 scrolls of silence J - 7 scrolls of magic mapping Q - 10 scrolls of remove curse S - a scroll of holy word Potions q - a potion of cancellation v - 2 potions of resistance x - a potion of ambrosia D - 6 potions of curing I - a potion of heal wounds K - a potion of haste Z - 4 potions of might Books c - a book of Clouds Spells Type Level a - Mephitic Cloud Conjuration/Poison/Air 3 b - Conjure Flame Conjuration/Fire 3 c - Poisonous Cloud Conjuration/Poison/Air 6 d - Freezing Cloud Conjuration/Ice/Air 6 e - Ring of Flames Charms/Fire 7 M - the Grimoire of the Birds (You found it on level 1 of the Abyss) Spells Type Level a - Static Discharge Conjuration/Air 3 b - Poisonous Cloud Conjuration/Poison/Air 6 c - Freezing Cloud Conjuration/Ice/Air 6 Miscellaneous i - a phantom mirror y - a stone of tremors C - the horn of Geryon F - a legendary deck of summoning {Foxfire} Comestibles d - 27 fruits f - 22 bread rations g - 14 meat rations k - 10 beef jerkies m - 8 royal jellies A - 3 slices of pizza Skills: - Level 24.0 Fighting - Level 12.3 Long Blades - Level 15.0 Polearms Level 11.1 Bows - Level 15.9 Crossbows - Level 2.1 Throwing - Level 18.0 Armour - Level 14.1 Dodging - Level 9.0 Shields - Level 7.1 Spellcasting - Level 11.1 Charms - Level 11.1 Necromancy - Level 22.0 Translocations - Level 9.0 Air Magic * Level 26.4 Invocations - Level 14.0 Evocations You have 19 spell levels left. You know the following spells: Your Spells Type Power Failure Level Hunger a - Apportation Tloc #####..... 1% 1 None b - Blink Tloc N/A 1% 2 ##..... c - Teleport Other Tloc #####... 1% 3 ###.... d - Passage of Golubria Tloc N/A 1% 4 ####... e - Dispersal Tloc #####..... 6% 6 ####### f - Regeneration Chrm/Necr ###....... 12% 3 ###.... g - Swiftness Chrm/Air ###..... 10% 2 ##..... Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations Branches: Dungeon (15/15) Temple (1/1) D:7 Lair (8/8) D:8 Swamp (4/4) Lair:3 Spider (4/4) Lair:3 Slime (6/6) Lair:7 Orc (2/2) D:9 Elf (3/3) Orc:2 Vaults (5/5) D:13 Crypt (3/3) Vaults:3 Tomb (0/3) Crypt:3 Depths (5/5) D:15 Hell (1/1) Dis (0/7) Hell Geh (0/7) Hell Coc (1/7) Hell Tar (0/7) Hell Zot (3/5) Depths:5 Altars: Ashenzari Cheibriados Dithmenos Elyvilon Fedhas Gozag Kikubaaqudgha Makhleb Nemelex Xobeh Okawaru Pakellas Qazlal Ru Sif Muna Trog Vehumet Xom Yredelemnul Zin The Shining One Beogh Shops: D:4 % D:15 * Orc:2 *%:% Elf:3 ( Vaults:4 **:% Portals: Hell: Depths:1 Depths:2 Depths:3 Depths:4 Depths:5 Abyss: Depths:1 Depths:4 Pandemonium: Depths:3 Ziggurat: Depths:3 Trove: D:11 (show abyssal rune of Zot) Annotations: D:5 exclusion: oklob plant Lair:2 exclusion: oklob plant Slime:3 Dissolution Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations You have hooves in place of feet. Armour fits poorly on your strangely shaped body. You cover ground very quickly. You have extremely tough skin (AC +3). Message History You now have 9241 gold pieces (gained 17). There is an open door, spattered with blood here. Items here: )) [[[ â€ â€ Found an exit through the horrors of the Abyss. There is an exit through the horrors of the Abyss here. You pass through the gate. You enter the Abyss! To return, you must find a gate leading back. Killing monsters will force the Abyss to allow you passage. Found a rare book. Found a gateway leading out of the Abyss. M - the Grimoire of the Birds There are no items here. There is an empty arch of ancient stone here. Found a robe. There is a gateway leading out of the Abyss here. You pass through the gate. Welcome back to the Depths! There is a one-way gate leading to the halls of Pandemonium here. Char dumped successfully. #####.............### #.........###...# #........##.##..# #........#...#..# #...Â§........##.# #.Â§..Â§##......#.# #....##....Â§..#.# ##'#.#........#.# #.#.##...Â§.@.#.# #.#..###.....#.# #>#....#######.# #.##...........# ###.############## #...# ###.# #.# #.# There are no monsters in sight!

Friday, 10th June 2016, 10:36 by rchandra

You can just use the dtrident, and press ' to swap to the eudemon blade when you want it (if they're in slots a and b, use = to fix that). If you use a brand weapon scroll, either the eudemon blade can't be rebranded or it will become a demon blade again (the latter is what happened when I tried using say Kiku to brand a formerly-demon weapon).

You might as well do Zot before more extended and then decide.

Friday, 10th June 2016, 22:23 by Muhahaha

rchandra wrote:You can just use the dtrident, and press ' to swap to the eudemon blade when you want it (if they're in slots a and b, use = to fix that). If you use a brand weapon scroll, either the eudemon blade can't be rebranded or it will become a demon blade again (the latter is what happened when I tried using say Kiku to brand a formerly-demon weapon).

You might as well do Zot before more extended and then decide.

Did Zot. Picked up some mutations that I can double back and heal off, but otherwise it was no big deal. I don't think I'll have time to play again until Sunday night, so I get to ponder my next move for awhile. Right now I'm leaning towards taking my ball (orb) and going home, but I think that is just because I am tired of grinding. I might have fresh stamina by the time I play again.

Any thoughts/suggestions on what my next move is if I decide to keep pressing on?

Code:: Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.18.1-8-gdd0e5ea (webtiles) character file. weirdsound the Centaur Cataclysm (CeGl) Turns: 130759, Time: 21:39:37 Health: 273/273 AC: 50 Str: 28 XL: 27 Magic: 36/36 EV: 10 Int: 9 God: Qazlal [*****.] Gold: 10697 SH: 22 Dex: 17 Spells: 7 memorised, 19 levels left rFire + + + SeeInvis + l - +9 demon trident (elec) rCold + + + Gourm . N - +9 armour of the Dragon King {rPois rF+ rC+ MR+} rNeg + + . Faith . O - +2 shield of Resistance {rF+ rC+ MR+} rPois + Spirit . u - +2 helmet rElec . Dismiss . T - +2 cloak rCorr . Reflect . a - +2 pair of gloves SustAt . Harm . R - +4 centaur barding {rF+} MR +++++ r - amulet of Agylare {rC+ Regen+ Str+2 SInv} Stlth .......... C - ring of Gaowk {rN+ MR+ Int+2 Dex+4} p - ring of positive energy @: repel missiles, very quick, almost entirely resistant to hostile enchantments, extremely unstealthy A: fangs 1, hooves 3, deformed body, dopey 1, speed 2, low mp 1, tough skin 3, subdued magic 1 a: Upheaval, Elemental Force, Disaster Area, Renounce Religion }: 6/15 runes: decaying, slimy, silver, abyssal, demonic, gossamer You are on level 5 of the Realm of Zot. You worship Qazlal. Qazlal is extremely pleased with you. You are not hungry. You have visited 14 branches of the dungeon, and seen 63 of its levels. You have visited Pandemonium 2 times, and seen 6 of its levels. You have visited the Abyss 41 times. You have also visited: Labyrinth and Ice Cave. You have collected 12789 gold pieces. You have spent 2092 gold pieces at shops. Inventory: Hand Weapons l - a +9 demon trident of electrocution (weapon) H - the +3 hand crossbow of Fragile Peace {penet, rN+ Str+3 Dex+4} (You bought it in a shop on level 2 of the Orcish Mines) Ammo fired by it will pass through the targets it hits, potentially hitting all targets in its path until it reaches maximum range. It affects your strength (+3). It affects your dexterity (+4). It protects you from negative energy. X - a +9 eudemon blade of holy wrath Missiles x - 2 throwing nets (quivered) L - 1897 bolts Armour a - a +2 pair of gloves (worn) u - a +2 helmet (worn) N - the +9 armour of the Dragon King (worn) {rPois rF+ rC+ MR+} (You took it off a tengu warrior on level 3 of the Depths) It protects you from fire. It protects you from cold. It protects you from poison. It affects your resistance to hostile enchantments. O - the +2 shield of Resistance (worn) {rF+ rC+ MR+} (You bought it in a shop on level 2 of the Orcish Mines) It protects you from fire. It protects you from cold. It affects your resistance to hostile enchantments. P - a +2 cloak R - a +4 centaur barding of fire resistance (worn) T - a +2 cloak (worn) Rods s - a +1 rod of clouds (13/13) (You took it off a minotaur in a labyrinth) t - a +2 rod of shadows (10/14) (You found it in a labyrinth) Jewellery n - a ring of protection from cold o - an uncursed ring of resist corrosion p - a ring of positive energy (left hand) r - the amulet of Agylare (around neck) {rC+ Regen+ Str+2 SInv} (You found it on level 3 of the Crypt) [amulet of regeneration] It affects your strength (+2). It protects you from cold. It lets you see invisible. It increases your rate of regeneration. C - the ring of Gaowk (right hand) {rN+ MR+ Int+2 Dex+4} (You found it on level 3 of the Abyss) [ring of protection from magic] It affects your intelligence (+2). It affects your dexterity (+4). It protects you from negative energy. It affects your resistance to hostile enchantments. Wands e - a wand of paralysis (7/24) z - a wand of hasting (7/9) U - a wand of teleportation (3/9) V - a wand of digging (2/24) W - a wand of enslavement Scrolls b - 5 scrolls of teleportation c - a scroll of enchant weapon j - 16 scrolls of identify w - 6 scrolls of recharging E - 6 scrolls of fog G - 4 scrolls of silence J - 6 scrolls of magic mapping M - a scroll of amnesia Q - 14 scrolls of remove curse S - 2 scrolls of holy word Potions i - a potion of brilliance q - a potion of cancellation v - 2 potions of resistance D - 9 potions of curing I - a potion of heal wounds K - 3 potions of haste Z - 2 potions of might Miscellaneous h - a fan of gales y - a stone of tremors B - the horn of Geryon Comestibles d - 27 fruits f - 23 bread rations g - 15 meat rations k - 10 beef jerkies m - 10 royal jellies A - 5 slices of pizza F - 4 chunks of flesh Skills: O Level 27 Fighting - Level 12.3 Long Blades - Level 15.0 Polearms Level 11.1 Bows - Level 15.9 Crossbows - Level 2.1 Throwing - Level 18.0 Armour - Level 14.1 Dodging - Level 9.0 Shields - Level 7.1 Spellcasting - Level 11.1 Charms - Level 11.1 Necromancy - Level 22.0 Translocations - Level 9.0 Air Magic O Level 27 Invocations * Level 20.7 Evocations You have 19 spell levels left. You know the following spells: Your Spells Type Power Failure Level Hunger a - Apportation Tloc ####...... 1% 1 None b - Blink Tloc N/A 1% 2 ##..... c - Teleport Other Tloc ####.... 1% 3 ###.... d - Passage of Golubria Tloc N/A 1% 4 ####... e - Dispersal Tloc ####...... 4% 6 ####### f - Regeneration Chrm/Necr ###....... 10% 3 ###.... g - Swiftness Chrm/Air ###..... 8% 2 ##..... Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations Branches: Dungeon (15/15) Temple (1/1) D:7 Lair (8/8) D:8 Swamp (4/4) Lair:3 Spider (4/4) Lair:3 Slime (6/6) Lair:7 Orc (2/2) D:9 Elf (3/3) Orc:2 Vaults (5/5) D:13 Crypt (3/3) Vaults:3 Tomb (0/3) Crypt:3 Depths (5/5) D:15 Hell (1/1) Dis (0/7) Hell Geh (0/7) Hell Coc (1/7) Hell Tar (0/7) Hell Zot (5/5) Depths:5 Altars: Ashenzari Cheibriados Dithmenos Elyvilon Fedhas Gozag Kikubaaqudgha Makhleb Nemelex Xobeh Okawaru Pakellas Qazlal Ru Sif Muna Trog Vehumet Xom Yredelemnul Zin The Shining One Beogh Shops: D:4 % D:15 * Orc:2 *%:% Elf:3 ( Vaults:4 **:% Portals: Hell: Depths:1 Depths:2 Depths:3 Depths:4 Depths:5 Abyss: Depths:1 Depths:4 Pandemonium: Depths:3 Ziggurat: Depths:3 Trove: D:11 (show abyssal rune of Zot) Annotations: D:5 exclusion: oklob plant Lair:2 exclusion: oklob plant Slime:3 Dissolution Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations You have hooves in place of feet. Armour fits poorly on your strangely shaped body. You cover ground very quickly. You have extremely tough skin (AC +3). You have very sharp teeth. You are dopey. (Int -2) Your magical capacity is low (-10% MP). Your spells are a little easier to cast, but a little less powerful. Message History x - 2 throwing nets (gained 1) You found a needle trap! Found a royal jelly. You feel a little less mighty now. You found a blade trap! m - 10 royal jellies (gained 1) You found a permanent teleport trap! You found a bolt trap! You found a blade trap! You found a needle trap! You found a bolt trap! You avoid triggering a needle trap. You found a blade trap! There is a needle trap here. An arrow shoots out and hits your shield. You found a blade trap! There is an arrow trap here. You see here a Killer Klown corpse. Things that are here: a war axe; a white draconian corpse Char dumped successfully. 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Friday, 10th June 2016, 23:00 by stickyfingers

Visit the trove. Dump Qaz. Get Makhleb. Train dodging. Your evo is high enough. Watch out to not run out of teleports, these are important in Pan and Hells. I'd do Tomb before these, as it's static and predictable.

Saturday, 11th June 2016, 03:08 by rchandra

If you're going to be a coward and take makhleb (definitely stronger than qaz) why not just take Makhleb in the beginning? If you like Qaz then doing extended with em is a lot of fun and danger.

Saturday, 11th June 2016, 11:33 by 4Hooves2Appendages

stickyfingers wrote:Visit the trove. Dump Qaz. Get Makhleb. Train dodging. Your evo is high enough. Watch out to not run out of teleports, these are important in Pan and Hells. I'd do Tomb before these, as it's static and predictable.

Actually, if you decide to switch gods, and I'm not convinced you should, you can switch to a god that helps you almost immediately: Zin. Due to the money -> piety mechanic you'll end up at full piety much faster than with Makh. Zin is also a great god for extended, with the single best panic button in the game.

Saturday, 11th June 2016, 15:11 by Muhahaha

When I picked Qaz, I was thinking 'lets try this god I have not used yet', not so much 'this character is going to make it to the extended endgame, better pick my god with that in mind'. I'm not opposed to trying the extended end game with him, but I'm not committed either.

If I'm not ascending right away, I'm likely going to scum for more consumables anyway. If I denounce religion, I'll likely be in the abyss for a good long spell after dealing with divine wrath, so speed at which I reach full piety is not the biggest issue.

My one win is with Zin, also on a character using heavy armor and a shield. Only way I'd go Zin with this char is if I decided to go for 15 runes or bust - otherwise I don't think I'll be proving anything to myself by using him. Might reconsider if I get some good mutations to lock in.

As for Makhleb, in spite of being one of the strongest gods in the game, I have just about zero experience with him. I played with him a few times years ago back when you could start as a Makhleb worshiper, and always wound up killing myself with a hostile greater servant. With the exception of some experimental deep dwarf characters when that race was first added, I don't think I've touched Makhleb since Fedhas was added to the game... and that was a long time ago. Coward's option or not, Mak is the most intresting of the gods suggested.

stickyfingers wrote:Train dodging. Your evo is high enough. Watch out to not run out of teleports, these are important in Pan and Hells. I'd do Tomb before these, as it's static and predictable.

What is a good goal for evasion skill or EV on this character?

I have lots of recharging scrolls, and several more tele wands stashed. I'm not worried about Teles. My goal with Evo is to get acid fog, which I'm going to go out on a limb and guess few things resist, out of my rod from time to time.

If I do the tomb, do I need full elemental resistance? If not I might go to lighter armor to get better spells online. Wiki says using animate dead on the scarabs down there will tear new assholes for the local mummy population. What else might be useful for the tomb that I don't have?

I completely forgot about that trove. I'll make a point of hitting that if I get a few spare minutes today.

Saturday, 11th June 2016, 17:19 by 4Hooves2Appendages

What does one need for Tomb?
- A source of Sustain Attributes, otherwise you'll have to recover from the stat drain at some point.
- Negative energy resistance, there is a lot of torment, drain and stuff like that.
- Other resists are less important, so a single pip of rF+ and rC+ is usually fine.
- Regeneration is good to speed up torment recovery.
- MR+++ is good to prevent getting paralyzed by sphinxes.
- The one spell that makes Tomb easy for me is Silence. You get a greater mummy 1v1 by careful pulling (tedious, also might not be possible with qaz), then hit Silence and kill it before the spell wears off. It basically turns them into Komodo Dragons with four times as much health. Harmless. Your Eudemon Blade will make short work of them. Incidentally it also pulls the teeth of Liches and Ancient Liches. Bear in mind that you can't read scrolls or use invocations under the effect. Having evocable tele is useful for that reason.
- Aura of Abjuration is good because a swarm of Emperor Scorpions can be pretty annoying.
- Like in any tougher area, Shadow Creatures is a solid summoning spell.
- The rest is just patience and stair dancing.
- Remember that a Ce can casually run away from all dangerous threats, don't underestimate Scarabs though, they can slow you down.

Sunday, 12th June 2016, 02:45 by duvessa

Er...you don't need any of those. Except patience and stairdancing, you should have those. It'll suck with Qazlal, though - like the rest of the game.

Sunday, 12th June 2016, 03:19 by ydeve

Not underestimating enemies is probably important as well

Sunday, 12th June 2016, 06:55 by rchandra

duvessa wrote:Er...you don't need any of those. Except patience and stairdancing, you should have those. It'll suck with Qazlal, though - like the rest of the game.

Curious - is it possible for all characters to clear current tomb through patience, without MR? How?

Sunday, 12th June 2016, 07:38 by 4Hooves2Appendages

duvessa wrote:Er...you don't need any of those. Except patience and stairdancing, you should have those. It'll suck with Qazlal, though - like the rest of the game.

Sure, none of the listed things are strictly necessary, but they do make the game easier, faster and less tedious. In the end there aren't really any strict requirements for any area of the game that I can think of. Still, you're better off with MR+++ and special cases like rF+ for OoF's and rCorr for slime. Maybe I should've called it: 'What do I have when I bother to do Tomb?'

Sunday, 12th June 2016, 07:57 by duvessa

rchandra wrote:
duvessa wrote:Er...you don't need any of those. Except patience and stairdancing, you should have those. It'll suck with Qazlal, though - like the rest of the game.

Curious - is it possible for all characters to clear current tomb through patience, without MR? How?

I do tomb without MR pretty often. You want a plan to deal with the introductory sphinx paralysis/confuse (I lure them around the corner), but with chain paralysis gone it doesn't scare me much. After that, nothing really happens, sphinxes don't randomly generate in Tomb so the only potential problem is (ancient) liches. The sphinxes aren't going to take you by surprise because they are in the same place every time, and liches shouldn't take you by surprise in Tomb since the branch is so heavy on stairs and straight corridors.

rN makes the torment spam more bearable but it's not a big deal imo. I do not like silence even in tomb. And rF/rC/sustAt/regen won't matter at all.

Sunday, 12th June 2016, 08:06 by Tiktacy

duvessa wrote:
rchandra wrote:
duvessa wrote:Er...you don't need any of those. Except patience and stairdancing, you should have those. It'll suck with Qazlal, though - like the rest of the game.

Curious - is it possible for all characters to clear current tomb through patience, without MR? How?
I do tomb without MR pretty often. You want a plan to deal with the introductory sphinx paralysis/confuse (I lure them around the corner), but with chain paralysis gone it doesn't scare me much. After that, nothing really happens, sphinxes don't randomly generate in Tomb so the only potential problem is (ancient) liches. The sphinxes aren't going to take you by surprise because they are in the same place every time, and liches shouldn't take you by surprise in Tomb since the branch is so heavy on stairs and straight corridors.

rN makes the torment spam more bearable but it's not a big deal imo. I do not like silence even in tomb. And rF/rC/sustAt/regen won't matter at all.

You mean you do tomb often as your third rune?

Is due to self imposed challenge, acquiring more than 3 runes, or optimal play?

Sunday, 12th June 2016, 08:13 by rchandra

Tiktacy wrote:You mean you do tomb often as your third rune?

Is due to self imposed challenge, acquiring more than 3 runes, or optimal play?

Can't speak for duvessa, but I do it as 4th-5th (+ abyssal if that happened) a lot. It's often easier than V5 but rarely easier than slime, and lots of fun items to sort through. I'd always have swappable MR for the sphinxes, as even with running back I attract multiples at once.

Silence/rN/sustAt are things that I do find useful but not strictly needed (sustat in particular I can rarely fit, might swap to it for a while if the statdrain is getting high), just need a plan for each enemy type really. With say chei or qaz, those plans need to be more robust.

Sunday, 12th June 2016, 08:28 by duvessa

I don't think tomb is really ever easier than V:5 anymore. I don't often do it as my third rune, but I often dip into it to collect some free xp, possibly abandoning if too much crap piles up on the stairs.

Monday, 13th June 2016, 10:45 by Muhahaha

Alright. Started on the tomb. I'm doing okay, but it is quite the grind.

It turns out that aside from my hand crossbow, and my old artifact trident I used to use, all my rN+ is on rings, so I can't have rN+++ and sustain attributes at the same time. Learned silence, and it is quite helpful. Switched to a lighter unrand armor to make casting easier.

The first part of Tomb 1 was pretty simple - control undead for the scarab swarms, and silence for everything else. The stairs to Tomb 2 have proven to be a major pain in the ass, but Qaz gives me a dependable, if very slow, means of clearing it out. I go down stairs, invoke disaster area once or twice, and then retreat to the abyss to restore my piety and shake off the drain and stat loss. I'm training Transmutations and Necromancy right now, in hopes of eventually getting Necromutation online. It might take me a few days to finish the Tomb, but I think if I plug away, I can get it done.

Code:: Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.18.1-8-gdd0e5ea (webtiles) character file. weirdsound the Centaur Cataclysm (CeGl) Turns: 150422, Time: 1 , 01:20:16 HP: 272/272 (273) AC: 37 Str: 23 (28) XL: 27 MP: 30/40 EV: 18 Int: 9 (11) God: Qazlal [*****.] Gold: 12368 SH: 22 Dex: 17 Spells: 12 memorised, 3 levels left rFire + + + SeeInvis + X - +9 eudemon blade (holy) rCold + + . Gourm . o - +4 faerie dragon armour {*Contam +Inv rF+++ Stlth-} rNeg + + . Faith . O - +2 shield of Resistance {rF+ rC+ MR+} rPois . Spirit . u - +2 helmet rElec . Dismiss . T - +2 cloak rCorr . Reflect . a - +2 pair of gloves SustAt . Harm . R - +4 centaur barding {rF+} MR ++++. r - amulet of Agylare {rC+ Regen+ Str+2 SInv} Stlth .......... C - ring of Gaowk {rN+ MR+ Int+2 Dex+4} p - ring of positive energy @: silence, non-regenerating, diseased, repel missiles, very quick, incredibly resistant to hostile enchantments, extremely unstealthy A: hooves 3, deformed body, speed 2, tough skin 3, MP-powered wands a: Renounce Religion, Evoke Invisibility }: 6/15 runes: decaying, slimy, silver, abyssal, demonic, gossamer You are on level 1 of the Tomb of the Ancients. You worship Qazlal. Qazlal is extremely pleased with you. You are not hungry. You have visited 15 branches of the dungeon, and seen 65 of its levels. You have visited Pandemonium 2 times, and seen 6 of its levels. You have visited the Abyss 65 times. You have also visited: Labyrinth, Trove and Ice Cave. You have collected 14460 gold pieces. You have spent 2092 gold pieces at shops. Inventory: Hand Weapons l - a +9 demon trident of electrocution H - the +3 hand crossbow of Fragile Peace {penet, rN+ Str+3 Dex+4} (You bought it in a shop on level 2 of the Orcish Mines) Ammo fired by it will pass through the targets it hits, potentially hitting all targets in its path until it reaches maximum range. It affects your strength (+3). It affects your dexterity (+4). It protects you from negative energy. X - a +9 eudemon blade of holy wrath (weapon) Missiles L - 1925 bolts Armour a - a +2 pair of gloves (worn) o - the +4 faerie dragon armour (worn) {*Contam +Inv rF+++ Stlth-} (You took it off the Enchantress on level 2 of the Depths) It renders you almost immune to fire. It lets you turn invisible. It causes magical contamination when unequipped. It makes you less stealthy. u - a +2 helmet (worn) O - the +2 shield of Resistance (worn) {rF+ rC+ MR+} (You bought it in a shop on level 2 of the Orcish Mines) It protects you from fire. It protects you from cold. It affects your resistance to hostile enchantments. R - a +4 centaur barding of fire resistance (worn) T - a +2 cloak (worn) Rods s - a +1 rod of clouds (13/13) (You took it off a minotaur in a labyrinth) t - a +2 rod of shadows (14/14) (You found it in a labyrinth) Jewellery i - an uncursed ring of sustain attributes p - a ring of positive energy (left hand) r - the amulet of Agylare (around neck) {rC+ Regen+ Str+2 SInv} (You found it on level 3 of the Crypt) [amulet of regeneration] It affects your strength (+2). It protects you from cold. It lets you see invisible. It increases your rate of regeneration. y - a ring of protection from fire B - an uncursed ring of positive energy C - the ring of Gaowk (right hand) {rN+ MR+ Int+2 Dex+4} (You found it on level 3 of the Abyss) [ring of protection from magic] It affects your intelligence (+2). It affects your dexterity (+4). It protects you from negative energy. It affects your resistance to hostile enchantments. Wands n - a wand of enslavement (10/24) z - a wand of hasting (7/9) P - a wand of acid (8/15) U - a wand of teleportation (3/9) V - a wand of digging (8/24) Scrolls b - 10 scrolls of teleportation c - a scroll of blinking j - 19 scrolls of identify w - 7 scrolls of recharging E - 9 scrolls of fog G - 5 scrolls of silence J - 5 scrolls of magic mapping Q - 18 scrolls of remove curse S - 2 scrolls of holy word W - a scroll of fear Potions q - 2 potions of flight x - a potion of cancellation D - 13 potions of curing I - 4 potions of heal wounds K - 6 potions of haste Z - 3 potions of might Comestibles d - 37 fruits f - 22 bread rations g - 15 meat rations k - 11 beef jerkies m - 11 royal jellies A - 8 slices of pizza Skills: O Level 27 Fighting - Level 12.3 Long Blades - Level 15.0 Polearms Level 11.1 Bows - Level 15.9 Crossbows - Level 2.1 Throwing - Level 18.0 Armour - Level 16.0 Dodging - Level 9.0 Shields - Level 7.1 Spellcasting - Level 12.0 Hexes - Level 11.1 Charms - Level 19.0 Necromancy - Level 22.0 Translocations * Level 13.0 Transmutations - Level 14.0 Air Magic O Level 27 Invocations - Level 20.8 Evocations You have 3 spell levels left. You know the following spells: Your Spells Type Power Failure Level Hunger a - Apportation Tloc #####..... 0% 1 None b - Blink Tloc N/A 0% 2 ##..... c - Teleport Other Tloc #####... 0% 3 ###.... d - Passage of Golubria Tloc N/A 1% 4 ####... e - Dispersal Tloc #####..... 1% 6 ####### f - Regeneration Chrm/Necr ####...... 1% 3 ###.... g - Swiftness Chrm/Air ####.... 1% 2 ##..... h - Control Undead Necr #####..... 1% 4 ####... i - Animate Dead Necr N/A 1% 4 ####... j - Beastly Appendage Trmt ####.. 1% 1 None k - Ensorcelled Hibernat Hex/Ice ##.... 3% 2 ##..... l - Silence Hex/Air ####...... 3% 5 ######. Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations Branches: Dungeon (15/15) Temple (1/1) D:7 Lair (8/8) D:8 Swamp (4/4) Lair:3 Spider (4/4) Lair:3 Slime (6/6) Lair:7 Orc (2/2) D:9 Elf (3/3) Orc:2 Vaults (5/5) D:13 Crypt (3/3) Vaults:3 Tomb (2/3) Crypt:3 Depths (5/5) D:15 Hell (1/1) Dis (0/7) Hell Geh (0/7) Hell Coc (1/7) Hell Tar (0/7) Hell Zot (5/5) Depths:5 Altars: Ashenzari Cheibriados Dithmenos Elyvilon Fedhas Gozag Kikubaaqudgha Makhleb Nemelex Xobeh Okawaru Pakellas Qazlal Ru Sif Muna Trog Vehumet Xom Yredelemnul Zin The Shining One Beogh Shops: D:4 % D:15 * Orc:2 *%:% Elf:3 ( Vaults:4 **:% Portals: Hell: Depths:1 Depths:2 Depths:3 Depths:4 Depths:5 Abyss: Depths:1 Depths:4 Pandemonium: Depths:3 Ziggurat: Depths:3 Annotations: D:5 exclusion: oklob plant Lair:2 exclusion: oklob plant Slime:3 Dissolution Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations You have hooves in place of feet. Armour fits poorly on your strangely shaped body. You cover ground very quickly. You have extremely tough skin (AC +3). You expend magic power (3 MP) to strengthen your wands. Message History Your kick misses the greater mummy. The greater mummy is heavily damaged. You chop the greater mummy into pieces!!! The greater mummy convulses!!! You kick the greater mummy! The greater mummy is almost destroyed. The greater mummy barely misses you. You hit the greater mummy. The greater mummy convulses. Your kick misses the greater mummy. The greater mummy is almost destroyed. You slash the greater mummy! The greater mummy convulses!! You destroy the greater mummy! Qazlal accepts your kill. You feel extremely nervous for a moment... You feel weakened. Your Transmutations skill increases to level 13! You feel the corruption within you wane completely. Your vision sharpens. You feel your intelligence returning. Char dumped successfully. 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Tuesday, 14th June 2016, 06:51 by 4Hooves2Appendages

That sounds like a rather painful way of doing that floor. I don't think you'll be impressed with the stairs to Tomb:3. Personally, I'd pick SustAt over rN+ because I can rest to heal, but not to restore stats. What's stopping you from just stair-dancing between Tomb:1 and 2?

Tuesday, 14th June 2016, 09:46 by Muhahaha

I managed to clear the tomb. RNG must have just been mean about putting too many torment monsters outside of silence range on that one stairwell. Everything else was fine, and I was comfortable handling the rest of the branch with judicious stair dancing. Did have to resort to disaster area in one of the treasure rooms, which destroyed some of the loot via lava bath, but other than that, the gold rune was easier than expected to get.

After picking up that rune, I returned to the Abyss to get necromutation online, and that is where things got intresting. I ran out of cure mutation potions, and picked up bezerkitus right about the same time I got the spell castable... which more or less forces me to play entirely in Lich Mode, thus forgoing Holy Wrath and potions.

Decided to do Gehenna, as my rF+++ and Lich Form more or less nullifies the major threats (I'm more than meaty enough to take a round or three of damnation at this point), and got to floor seven easily enough. Started working through the branch end vault, and got within a room or two of Asmodeus before the hell force finally got around to draining my Int and dropping a nasty pack of monsters including two brimstone fiends on my ass, so I teleported to safety and returned to the vestible to regroup and plan. After running to the abyss and grinding to restore my stats, I think my plan is to lure the demon lord into a small room, which should limit my LOS and focus most of disaster area's punch on him. Any other tricks that might help me with Asmodeus?

Unless I find more cure mutation potions, I'm guessing I'll have to ascend pretty soon. I may be able to do Cocytus and Dis, but I'm likely to run into dispell undead in Tartarus and Pan.

Code:: Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.18.1-47-g9310371 (webtiles) character file. weirdsound the End of an Era (CeGl) Turns: 174265, Time: 1 , 05:29:40 Health: 273/273 AC: 37 Str: 28 XL: 27 Magic: 40/40 EV: 19 Int: 7 (13) God: Qazlal [******] Gold: 16071 SH: 23 Dex: 17 Spells: 11 memorised, 3 levels left rFire + + + SeeInvis + l - +9 demon trident (elec) rCold + + . Gourm . o - +4 faerie dragon armour {*Contam +Inv rF+++ Stlth-} rNeg + . . Faith . O - +2 shield of Resistance {rF+ rC+ MR+} rPois . Spirit + j - +2 hat of the Bear Spirit {Spirit, +Rage rN+ MR++} rElec + Dismiss . Y - +2 cloak of Xoham {rElec rF+ Dex+2} rCorr . Reflect . a - +2 pair of gloves SustAt . Harm . R - +4 centaur barding {rF+} MR +++++ Rnd*Rage + r - amulet of Agylare {rC+ Regen+ Str+2 SInv} Stlth .......... A - +6 ring of intelligence P - ring of wizardry @: repel missiles, very quick, almost entirely resistant to hostile enchantments, extremely unstealthy A: antennae 1, hooves 3, slimy green scales 1, agile 1, berserk 1, deformed body, dopey 1, speed 2, magic resistance 1, tough skin 3 a: Upheaval, Elemental Force, Disaster Area, Renounce Religion, Evoke Berserk Rage, Evoke Invisibility }: 7/15 runes: decaying, slimy, silver, golden, abyssal, demonic, gossamer You are in the Vestibule of Hell. You worship Qazlal. Qazlal is exalted by your worship. You are not hungry. You have visited 16 branches of the dungeon, and seen 73 of its levels. You have visited Pandemonium 2 times, and seen 6 of its levels. You have visited the Abyss 84 times. You have also visited: Labyrinth, Trove and Ice Cave. You have collected 18163 gold pieces. You have spent 2092 gold pieces at shops. Inventory: Hand Weapons l - a +9 demon trident of electrocution (weapon) u - a +0 demon whip of freezing H - the +3 hand crossbow of Fragile Peace {penet, rN+ Str+3 Dex+4} (You bought it in a shop on level 2 of the Orcish Mines) Ammo fired by it will pass through the targets it hits, potentially hitting all targets in its path until it reaches maximum range. It affects your strength (+3). It affects your dexterity (+4). It protects you from negative energy. S - a runed trident X - the +9 halberd "Guguokh" {chop, MP+9} (You took it off a balrug on level 7 of Gehenna) It inflicts extra damage upon your enemies. It affects your magic capacity (+9). Missiles L - 1980 bolts Armour a - a +2 pair of gloves (worn) j - the +2 hat of the Bear Spirit (worn) {Spirit, +Rage rN+ MR++} (You acquired it on level 3 of the Tomb of the Ancients) It protects you from negative energy. It affects your resistance to hostile enchantments. It lets you go berserk. o - the +4 faerie dragon armour (worn) {*Contam +Inv rF+++ Stlth-} (You took it off the Enchantress on level 2 of the Depths) It renders you almost immune to fire. It lets you turn invisible. It causes magical contamination when unequipped. It makes you less stealthy. O - the +2 shield of Resistance (worn) {rF+ rC+ MR+} (You bought it in a shop on level 2 of the Orcish Mines) It protects you from fire. It protects you from cold. It affects your resistance to hostile enchantments. R - a +4 centaur barding of fire resistance (worn) Y - the +2 cloak of Xoham (worn) {rElec rF+ Dex+2} (You found it on level 1 of the Abyss) It affects your dexterity (+2). It protects you from fire. It insulates you from electricity. Rods s - a +1 rod of clouds (13/13) (You took it off a minotaur in a labyrinth) t - a +2 rod of shadows (14/14) (You found it in a labyrinth) Jewellery i - an uncursed ring of sustain attributes p - an uncursed ring of positive energy r - the amulet of Agylare (around neck) {rC+ Regen+ Str+2 SInv} (You found it on level 3 of the Crypt) [amulet of regeneration] It affects your strength (+2). It protects you from cold. It lets you see invisible. It increases your rate of regeneration. x - a +2 ring of intelligence A - a +6 ring of intelligence (right hand) C - the ring of Gaowk {rN+ MR+ Int+2 Dex+4} (You found it on level 3 of the Abyss) [ring of protection from magic] It affects your intelligence (+2). It affects your dexterity (+4). It protects you from negative energy. It affects your resistance to hostile enchantments. P - a ring of wizardry (left hand) Wands e - a wand of lightning (5/15) z - a wand of hasting (7/9) U - a wand of teleportation (5/9) V - a wand of digging (6/24) Scrolls b - 8 scrolls of teleportation c - 6 scrolls of blinking n - 9 scrolls of remove curse v - a scroll of brand weapon w - 8 scrolls of recharging E - 12 scrolls of fog F - 16 scrolls of identify G - 7 scrolls of silence J - 4 scrolls of magic mapping T - 5 scrolls of amnesia W - a scroll of fear Potions h - a potion of agility q - a potion of brilliance D - 15 potions of curing I - 8 potions of heal wounds K - 5 potions of haste N - a potion of magic Z - 4 potions of might Books M - a Necronomicon Spells Type Level a - Haunt Necromancy/Summoning 7 b - Borgnjor's Revivification Necromancy 8 c - Death's Door Charms/Necromancy 8 d - Necromutation Transmutation/Necromancy 8 Miscellaneous y - a phantom mirror B - the horn of Geryon Comestibles d - 37 fruits f - 25 bread rations g - 16 meat rations k - 11 beef jerkies m - 3 royal jellies Q - 7 slices of pizza {To Tomb 3} Skills: O Level 27 Fighting Level 12.3 Long Blades - Level 15.0 Polearms Level 1.4(10.1) Staves Level 11.1 Bows - Level 15.9 Crossbows - Level 2.1 Throwing - Level 18.0 Armour - Level 16.0 Dodging - Level 9.0 Shields - Level 7.1 Spellcasting - Level 12.0 Hexes - Level 11.1 Charms * Level 26.7 Necromancy - Level 22.0 Translocations - Level 24.0 Transmutations - Level 14.0 Air Magic O Level 27 Invocations - Level 20.8 Evocations You have 3 spell levels left. You know the following spells: Your Spells Type Power Failure Level Hunger a - Apportation Tloc ####...... 0% 1 #...... b - Blink Tloc N/A 0% 2 ##..... c - Teleport Other Tloc ####.... 0% 3 ###.... d - Passage of Golubria Tloc N/A 1% 4 #####.. e - Dispersal Tloc ####...... 1% 6 ####### f - Regeneration Chrm/Necr ####...... 1% 3 ###.... g - Swiftness Chrm/Air ###..... 1% 2 ##..... h - Necromutation Trmt/Necr #####..... 4% 8 ####### j - Beastly Appendage Trmt #####. 0% 1 #...... k - Ensorcelled Hibernat Hex/Ice ##.... 1% 2 ##..... l - Silence Hex/Air ###....... 1% 5 ######. Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations Branches: Dungeon (15/15) Temple (1/1) D:7 Lair (8/8) D:8 Swamp (4/4) Lair:3 Spider (4/4) Lair:3 Slime (6/6) Lair:7 Orc (2/2) D:9 Elf (3/3) Orc:2 Vaults (5/5) D:13 Crypt (3/3) Vaults:3 Tomb (3/3) Crypt:3 Depths (5/5) D:15 Hell (1/1) Dis (0/7) Hell Geh (7/7) Hell Coc (1/7) Hell Tar (0/7) Hell Zot (5/5) Depths:5 Altars: Ashenzari Cheibriados Dithmenos Elyvilon Fedhas Gozag Kikubaaqudgha Makhleb Nemelex Xobeh Okawaru Pakellas Qazlal Ru Sif Muna Trog Vehumet Xom Yredelemnul Zin The Shining One Beogh Shops: D:4 % D:15 * Orc:2 *%:% Elf:3 ( Vaults:4 **:% Portals: Hell: Depths:1 Depths:2 Depths:3 Depths:4 Depths:5 Abyss: Depths:1 Depths:4 Pandemonium: Depths:3 Ziggurat: Depths:3 Annotations: D:5 exclusion: oklob plant Lair:2 exclusion: oklob plant Slime:3 Dissolution Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations You have hooves in place of feet. Armour fits poorly on your strangely shaped body. You cover ground very quickly. You have extremely tough skin (AC +3). You have a pair of small antennae on your head. You are partially covered in slimy green scales (AC +2). You are agile. (Dex +2) You tend to lose your temper in combat. You are dopey. (Int -2) You are resistant to hostile enchantments. Message History The red devil is almost dead. Attack whom? Press: ? - help, Dir - move target cursor, f/p - red devil Aim: a red devil, wielding an enchanted demon trident (almost dead) You puncture the red devil! You kill the red devil! Qazlal accepts your kill. You see here an enchanted demon trident. You feel yourself come back to life. Things that are here: a mace; a flail There is a gateway to Hell here. You can't go down here! You go up through the gate. Welcome back to the Vestibule of Hell! There is a gateway to the ashen valley of Gehenna here. You start resting. Magic restored. You start resting. HP restored. 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Tuesday, 14th June 2016, 10:11 by 4Hooves2Appendages

I recognise your dilemma from some of my early games. In general, I'd say you are probably overestimating the effect of bad mutations. Also, it's actually possibly to avoid getting mutated almost entirely. An easy way is to break line of sight using your own summons. Usually shadow creatures is great, but with all that experience in necromancy you might just be able to use haunt.

I don't want to be responsible for the death of this character, but I'm not convinced it's a good idea to be necromutated most of the time. I guess most of the time it's not a good idea to invest the XP to even get necromutation. Normally berserkitis can be managed by just luring more carefully, but here's Qazlal again!

You could still switch to Zin, you get a free mutation cleanse, mutation and hell effect protection, great panick buttons, and best of all peace and quiet.

A better plan than to kill hell lords is to ignore them. Run in hasted, apport the rune and teleport away.

Tuesday, 14th June 2016, 16:48 by rchandra

That faerie dragon armour seems pretty useless, considering you have rF++ on two permanent items anyway. I guess you can't use your Dragon King anymore given you're using necromutation, but you'd have been much better off without that experience drain for one spell. Given that you're here now, do replace Silence + Beastly Appendage with Borgnjor's.

Tuesday, 14th June 2016, 20:07 by advil

This character is currently kind of different than any I've played, so I'm not sure how useful my advice is at this point. However, I have 15-runed qazlal, which I guess is a bit unusual, so here's some comments:

If I'd seen this earlier, what I would have said is that qazlal is pretty bad in extended and I would strongly recommend against him as a first(?) attempt at extended. However, I guess you've survived so far, so now my advice would be, probably don't try for 15 runes (just win now and try a more conventional first 15 rune character). That said, I understand the impulse to keep going with a strong character.
I think you're overestimating the impact of berserkitis, that wouldn't be enough for me to stay in lichform all the time (not much would be).
With that sort of investment in necro, I think you're kind of underusing the relevant spells. At least learn haunt, borg's, dispel undead. (Also, is cblink available/castable? Not sure what it takes these days but that's a very high transloc.)
Armour/dodging look quite undertrained for 7 runes in, though I suppose 37/19/23 is not so bad. But EV could be a lot higher in mottled.
Abyss scumming for xp with a qaz character sounds pretty crazy to me, though I guess with kill to exit it might be more doable than it used to be. But the abyss can kill anything given really bad luck (e.g. starcursed masses in bad terrain), and qazlal pretty much guarantees at least some bad luck there.

Wednesday, 15th June 2016, 05:35 by Muhahaha

advil wrote:This character is currently kind of different than any I've played, so I'm not sure how useful my advice is at this point. However, I have 15-runed qazlal, which I guess is a bit unusual, so here's some comments:

If I'd seen this earlier, what I would have said is that qazlal is pretty bad in extended and I would strongly recommend against him as a first(?) attempt at extended. However, I guess you've survived so far, so now my advice would be, probably don't try for 15 runes (just win now and try a more conventional first 15 rune character). That said, I understand the impulse to keep going with a strong character.
I think you're overestimating the impact of berserkitis, that wouldn't be enough for me to stay in lichform all the time (not much would be).
With that sort of investment in necro, I think you're kind of underusing the relevant spells. At least learn haunt, borg's, dispel undead. (Also, is cblink available/castable? Not sure what it takes these days but that's a very high transloc.)
Armour/dodging look quite undertrained for 7 runes in, though I suppose 37/19/23 is not so bad. But EV could be a lot higher in mottled.
Abyss scumming for xp with a qaz character sounds pretty crazy to me, though I guess with kill to exit it might be more doable than it used to be. But the abyss can kill anything given really bad luck (e.g. starcursed masses in bad terrain), and qazlal pretty much guarantees at least some bad luck there.

As I said before, I didn't come into this game expecting to go to extended, or even win, I'm not that good a player (I've been playing this game for years, and my first thought upon seeing a threat is always 'how do I beat this' rather than 'should I try to beat this now'). I just wanted to try Qaz for the first time.

I do agree with the general thought that Berserkitis isn't as bad as it seems; This character can handle most threats while slowed at this point, but I still see little reason not to stay in lichform at all times while in the Hell Branches that have torment but not dispel undead; I have wands of haste and teleport, so it is not like no potions means no panic buttons.

I have low Int and as such low Spellpower. Are damage inflicting spells like dispel undead even worth it for this character? Haunt and Borgs are good ideas though. cblink is at 9% success rate, - I'll likely have to scum for another level or two on the skill to feel comfortable using it. Also, if I'm picking up summoning for Haunt, and I already have good Translocations, is it worth picking up Malign Gateway? Or is it not worth the spell levels for this character?

I have no mottled dragon hide - It didn't dawn on my that this character was good enough for extended, and thus might want to learn spells, until I was past the point where the game stopped spawning those stickyflame spewing assholes for me, so I never bothered butchering any of the ones I did kill.

I think Centaur Speed gives me a leg up on the abyss, and perhaps over other qaz characters in general. I might not be able to pick my battles as easily as characters using other gods, but I can at least dictate where the fight is going to take place.

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Update time: Got the obsidian rune, and made it to the bottom floor of the ice hell. Final Floor seems to be all deep water with five islands - an entry chamber in the middle of the map, and one more landmass on each corner. Does anybody know that particular vault well enough to tell me where the Rune is, and if the other islands are worth visiting? It seems like I'm stuck cleaning out the entire floor's monster population before I can explore (thanks Qaz

), but this is not that tough of a task. I changed to Ice Dragon Armor, which gives full ice resistance and better AC while still allowing me to cast Necromutation, and full Ice Resist, Good Defensive Stats, and an undead body seem to be all I need to render all the monsters of cocytus rather trivial. I was feeling rather badass taking on a stream of monsters including Ice Fiends and Ice Dragons and taking little damage in return.

I was eventually forced to escape because I let Lichform expire while engulfed by a water elemental. Still feel confident I can take this branch. I'm guessing Antaeus is one of the few things too threatening for my character to take in melee, so I'll likely just ninja the rune if the wiki suggested trick of Legendary Foxfire does not work for me.

I think I'm almost done. I may do Dis, but I don't think I'll go to Tartarus or re-visit pan. Qaz willing, My next update should be YAVP, so any final advice for Antaeus, the Iron City, and/or the Orb Run (which as a Centaur I'm not worried about) would be appreciated.

Code:: Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.18.1-47-g9310371 (webtiles) character file. weirdsound the End of an Era (CeGl) Turns: 180141, Time: 1 , 06:54:17 Health: 252/273 AC: 46 Str: 28 XL: 27 Magic: 40/40 EV: 17 Int: 13 God: Qazlal [******] Gold: 17726 SH: 23 Dex: 17 Spells: 11 memorised, 3 levels left rFire + + . SeeInvis + l - +9 demon trident (elec) rCold + + + Gourm . v - +9 ice dragon armour rNeg + . . Faith . O - +2 shield of Resistance {rF+ rC+ MR+} rPois . Spirit + j - +2 hat of the Bear Spirit {Spirit, +Rage rN+ MR++} rElec + Dismiss . Y - +2 cloak of Xoham {rElec rF+ Dex+2} rCorr . Reflect . a - +2 pair of gloves SustAt . Harm . R - +4 centaur barding {rF+} MR +++++ Rnd*Rage + r - amulet of Agylare {rC+ Regen+ Str+2 SInv} Stlth .......... A - +6 ring of intelligence P - ring of wizardry @: repel missiles, very quick, almost entirely resistant to hostile enchantments, extremely unstealthy A: antennae 1, hooves 3, slimy green scales 1, agile 1, berserk 1, deformed body, dopey 1, speed 2, magic resistance 1, tough skin 3 a: Upheaval, Elemental Force, Disaster Area, Renounce Religion, Evoke Berserk Rage }: 8/15 runes: decaying, slimy, silver, golden, obsidian, abyssal, demonic, gossamer You are in the Vestibule of Hell. You worship Qazlal. Qazlal is exalted by your worship. You are not hungry. You have visited 16 branches of the dungeon, and seen 79 of its levels. You have visited Pandemonium 2 times, and seen 6 of its levels. You have visited the Abyss 90 times. You have also visited: Labyrinth, Trove and Ice Cave. You have collected 19818 gold pieces. You have spent 2092 gold pieces at shops. Inventory: Hand Weapons l - a +9 demon trident of electrocution (weapon) u - a +0 demon whip of freezing H - the +3 hand crossbow of Fragile Peace {penet, rN+ Str+3 Dex+4} (You bought it in a shop on level 2 of the Orcish Mines) Ammo fired by it will pass through the targets it hits, potentially hitting all targets in its path until it reaches maximum range. It affects your strength (+3). It affects your dexterity (+4). It protects you from negative energy. Missiles L - 1982 bolts Armour a - a +2 pair of gloves (worn) j - the +2 hat of the Bear Spirit (worn) {Spirit, +Rage rN+ MR++} (You acquired it on level 3 of the Tomb of the Ancients) It protects you from negative energy. It affects your resistance to hostile enchantments. It lets you go berserk. v - a +9 ice dragon armour (worn) O - the +2 shield of Resistance (worn) {rF+ rC+ MR+} (You bought it in a shop on level 2 of the Orcish Mines) It protects you from fire. It protects you from cold. It affects your resistance to hostile enchantments. R - a +4 centaur barding of fire resistance (worn) Y - the +2 cloak of Xoham (worn) {rElec rF+ Dex+2} (You found it on level 1 of the Abyss) It affects your dexterity (+2). It protects you from fire. It insulates you from electricity. Rods s - a +1 rod of clouds (13/13) (You took it off a minotaur in a labyrinth) t - a +2 rod of shadows (14/14) (You found it in a labyrinth) Jewellery i - an uncursed ring of sustain attributes n - the ring of Elitism {+Fly rPois MR+ Str-3 Int+3} (You found it on level 2 of the Abyss) [ring of flight] It affects your strength (-3). It affects your intelligence (+3). It protects you from poison. It affects your resistance to hostile enchantments. It lets you fly. r - the amulet of Agylare (around neck) {rC+ Regen+ Str+2 SInv} (You found it on level 3 of the Crypt) [amulet of regeneration] It affects your strength (+2). It protects you from cold. It lets you see invisible. It increases your rate of regeneration. A - a +6 ring of intelligence (right hand) P - a ring of wizardry (left hand) Wands z - a wand of hasting (5/9) U - a wand of teleportation (5/9) V - a wand of digging (4/24) Scrolls b - 10 scrolls of teleportation c - 5 scrolls of blinking d - a scroll of holy word w - 8 scrolls of recharging x - a scroll of remove curse E - 12 scrolls of fog F - 13 scrolls of identify J - 4 scrolls of magic mapping W - a scroll of fear Potions e - a potion of flight D - 14 potions of curing I - 8 potions of heal wounds K - 7 potions of haste N - a potion of magic Z - 4 potions of might Miscellaneous h - a legendary deck of summoning {Foxfire} y - 3 phantom mirrors B - the horn of Geryon (inert) Comestibles f - 24 bread rations g - 15 meat rations k - 11 beef jerkies m - 4 royal jellies Q - 7 slices of pizza {To Tomb 3} Skills: O Level 27 Fighting Level 12.3 Long Blades - Level 15.0 Polearms Level 1.4(10.1) Staves Level 11.1 Bows - Level 15.9 Crossbows - Level 2.1 Throwing - Level 18.0 Armour * Level 16.9 Dodging - Level 9.0 Shields - Level 7.1 Spellcasting - Level 12.0 Hexes - Level 11.1 Charms O Level 27 Necromancy - Level 22.0 Translocations O Level 27 Transmutations - Level 1.0 Ice Magic - Level 14.0 Air Magic O Level 27 Invocations - Level 20.8 Evocations You have 3 spell levels left. You know the following spells: Your Spells Type Power Failure Level Hunger a - Apportation Tloc ######.... 0% 1 None b - Blink Tloc N/A 0% 2 #...... c - Teleport Other Tloc ######.. 0% 3 ##..... d - Passage of Golubria Tloc N/A 1% 4 ####... e - Dispersal Tloc ######.... 1% 6 ####### f - Regeneration Chrm/Necr ######.... 1% 3 ##..... g - Swiftness Chrm/Air #####... 1% 2 #...... h - Necromutation Trmt/Necr ######.... 2% 8 ####### j - Beastly Appendage Trmt ###### 0% 1 None k - Ensorcelled Hibernat Hex/Ice ###... 1% 2 #...... l - Silence Hex/Air #####..... 1% 5 ######. Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations Branches: Dungeon (15/15) Temple (1/1) D:7 Lair (8/8) D:8 Swamp (4/4) Lair:3 Spider (4/4) Lair:3 Slime (6/6) Lair:7 Orc (2/2) D:9 Elf (3/3) Orc:2 Vaults (5/5) D:13 Crypt (3/3) Vaults:3 Tomb (3/3) Crypt:3 Depths (5/5) D:15 Hell (1/1) Dis (0/7) Hell Geh (7/7) Hell Coc (7/7) Hell Tar (0/7) Hell Zot (5/5) Depths:5 Altars: Ashenzari Cheibriados Dithmenos Elyvilon Fedhas Gozag Kikubaaqudgha Makhleb Nemelex Xobeh Okawaru Pakellas Qazlal Ru Sif Muna Trog Vehumet Xom Yredelemnul Zin The Shining One Beogh Shops: D:4 % D:15 * Orc:2 *%:% Elf:3 ( Vaults:4 **:% Portals: Hell: Depths:1 Depths:2 Depths:3 Depths:4 Depths:5 Abyss: Depths:1 Depths:4 Pandemonium: Depths:3 Ziggurat: Depths:3 Annotations: D:5 exclusion: oklob plant Lair:2 exclusion: oklob plant Slime:3 Dissolution Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations You have hooves in place of feet. Armour fits poorly on your strangely shaped body. You cover ground very quickly. You have extremely tough skin (AC +3). You have a pair of small antennae on your head. You are partially covered in slimy green scales (AC +2). You are agile. (Dex +2) You tend to lose your temper in combat. You are dopey. (Int -2) You are resistant to hostile enchantments. Message History You can't go down here! Your lungs strain for air! You block the quicksilver dragon skeleton's attack. x2 The water elemental closely misses you. The water elemental barely misses you. You block the water elemental's attack. The quicksilver dragon skeleton bites you but does no damage. The quicksilver dragon skeleton closely misses you. The water elemental hits you. You go up through the gate. Welcome back to the Vestibule of Hell! You gasp with relief as air once again reaches your lungs. There is a gateway to the freezing wastes of Cocytus here. You start resting. Magic restored. You start resting. Your protection from cold is fading. You start resting. You feel less protected from cold. 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Wednesday, 15th June 2016, 19:51 by advil

I have no mottled dragon hide - It didn't dawn on my that this character was good enough for extended, and thus might want to learn spells, until I was past the point where the game stopped spawning those stickyflame spewing assholes for me, so I never bothered butchering any of the ones I did kill.

Faerie DA is the same thing as mottled, just fancier looking. IDA is a better choice though.

Thursday, 16th June 2016, 03:11 by Muhahaha

YAVP!

Got the runes out of Coyctus and Dis as planned, before escaping with the Orb.

I have to say, running through Dis was the most fun I've ever had in crawl. The monsters felt more threatening than in the other hells, and the combination of Quicksilver Dragons to end my Lichform and fiends to torment kept me on my toes. That said, the more enclosed floor layout in Dis allowed me to get back to the basics, exploiting kiting and choke points like I did early in the very early game. I felt challenged, but empowered to deal with (or flee from) threats on my own terms, which I suppose is how a rougelike (or even video game in general) should make one feel.

I also got to play around with boxes of beasts. The wiki dose not seem to have much information on what the box can output in the new version, but with 21 Evocations, I was getting creatures who could win one x one fights with iron dragons and hell sentinels, so pretty useful.

10 Runes with Qaz... Not bad if I do say so myself. Thanks for all the help and advice guys.

Code:: Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.18.1-47-g9310371 (webtiles) character file. 5036661 weirdsound the End of an Era (level 27, 273/273 HPs) Began as a Centaur Gladiator on May 31, 2016. Was the Champion of Qazlal. Escaped with the Orb ... and 10 runes on June 16, 2016! The game lasted 1 day 08:33:17 (186770 turns). weirdsound the End of an Era (CeGl) Turns: 186770, Time: 1 , 08:33:17 Health: 273/273 AC: 48 Str: 25 XL: 27 Magic: 40/40 EV: 19 Int: 10 God: Qazlal [******] Gold: 19375 SH: 22 Dex: 17 Spells: 11 memorised, 3 levels left rFire + + . SeeInvis + l - +9 demon trident (elec) rCold + + + Gourm . v - +9 ice dragon armour (curse) rNeg + . . Faith . O - +2 shield of Resistance {rF+ rC+ MR+} rPois + Spirit + j - +2 hat of the Bear Spirit {Spirit, +Rage rN+ MR++} rElec + Dismiss . Y - +2 cloak of Xoham {rElec rF+ Dex+2} rCorr . Reflect . a - +2 pair of gloves SustAt . Harm . R - +4 centaur barding {rF+} MR +++++ Rnd*Rage + r - amulet of Agylare {rC+ Regen+ Str+2 SInv} Stlth .......... n - ring of Elitism {+Fly rPois MR+ Str-3 Int+3} P - ring of wizardry @: flying, repel missiles, very quick, almost entirely resistant to hostile enchantments, extremely unstealthy A: antennae 1, hooves 3, slimy green scales 1, agile 1, berserk 1, deformed body, dopey 1, speed 2, magic resistance 1, tough skin 3 a: Upheaval, Elemental Force, Disaster Area, Renounce Religion, Evoke Berserk Rage, Stop Flying 0: Orb of Zot }: 10/15 runes: decaying, slimy, silver, golden, iron, obsidian, icy, abyssal, demonic, gossamer You escaped. You worshipped Qazlal. Qazlal was exalted by your worship. You were not hungry. You visited 17 branches of the dungeon, and saw 86 of its levels. You visited Pandemonium 2 times, and saw 6 of its levels. You visited the Abyss 90 times. You also visited: Labyrinth, Trove and Ice Cave. You collected 21467 gold pieces. You spent 2092 gold pieces at shops. Inventory: Hand Weapons l - a +9 demon trident of electrocution (weapon) H - the +3 hand crossbow of Fragile Peace {penet, rN+ Str+3 Dex+4} (You bought it in a shop on level 2 of the Orcish Mines) Ammo fired by it will pass through the targets it hits, potentially hitting all targets in its path until it reaches maximum range. It affects your strength (+3). It affects your dexterity (+4). It protects you from negative energy. Missiles L - 1932 bolts Armour a - a +2 pair of gloves (worn) j - the +2 hat of the Bear Spirit (worn) {Spirit, +Rage rN+ MR++} (You acquired it on level 3 of the Tomb of the Ancients) It protects you from negative energy. It affects your resistance to hostile enchantments. It lets you go berserk. v - a cursed +9 ice dragon armour (worn) O - the +2 shield of Resistance (worn) {rF+ rC+ MR+} (You bought it in a shop on level 2 of the Orcish Mines) It protects you from fire. It protects you from cold. It affects your resistance to hostile enchantments. R - a +4 centaur barding of fire resistance (worn) Y - the +2 cloak of Xoham (worn) {rElec rF+ Dex+2} (You found it on level 1 of the Abyss) It affects your dexterity (+2). It protects you from fire. It insulates you from electricity. Rods s - a +1 rod of clouds (13/13) (You took it off a minotaur in a labyrinth) t - a +2 rod of shadows (14/14) (You found it in a labyrinth) M - a +3 lightning rod (11/11) (You found it on level 7 of the Iron City of Dis) Jewellery i - an uncursed ring of sustain attributes n - the ring of Elitism (right hand) {+Fly rPois MR+ Str-3 Int+3} (You found it on level 2 of the Abyss) [ring of flight] It affects your strength (-3). It affects your intelligence (+3). It protects you from poison. It affects your resistance to hostile enchantments. It lets you fly. r - the amulet of Agylare (around neck) {rC+ Regen+ Str+2 SInv} (You found it on level 3 of the Crypt) [amulet of regeneration] It affects your strength (+2). It protects you from cold. It lets you see invisible. It increases your rate of regeneration. A - a +6 ring of intelligence P - a ring of wizardry (left hand) Wands u - a wand of acid (8/15) z - a wand of hasting (4/9) U - a wand of teleportation (5/9) V - a wand of digging (0/24) Scrolls b - 10 scrolls of teleportation c - 4 scrolls of blinking d - a scroll of holy word w - 8 scrolls of recharging x - 2 scrolls of remove curse E - 12 scrolls of fog F - 8 scrolls of identify J - 3 scrolls of magic mapping W - a scroll of fear Potions D - 14 potions of curing I - 7 potions of heal wounds K - 7 potions of haste Z - 3 potions of might Miscellaneous e - a box of beasts {used: 3} h - a legendary deck of summoning {the Pentagram, drawn: 5} o - a legendary deck of changes {Fortitude} p - a lamp of fire q - a box of beasts y - 3 phantom mirrors B - the horn of Geryon Comestibles f - 24 bread rations g - 14 meat rations k - 12 beef jerkies m - 4 royal jellies Q - 7 slices of pizza {To Tomb 3} Skills: O Level 27 Fighting Level 12.3 Long Blades - Level 15.0 Polearms Level 1.4(10.1) Staves Level 11.1 Bows - Level 15.9 Crossbows - Level 2.1 Throwing * Level 19.9 Armour - Level 20.2 Dodging - Level 9.0 Shields - Level 7.1 Spellcasting - Level 12.0 Hexes - Level 11.1 Charms O Level 27 Necromancy - Level 22.0 Translocations O Level 27 Transmutations - Level 1.0 Ice Magic - Level 14.0 Air Magic O Level 27 Invocations - Level 21.0 Evocations You had 3 spell levels left. You knew the following spells: Your Spells Type Power Failure Level Hunger a - Apportation Tloc #####..... 0% 1 None b - Blink Tloc N/A 0% 2 ##..... c - Teleport Other Tloc #####... 0% 3 ###.... d - Passage of Golubria Tloc N/A 1% 4 ####... e - Dispersal Tloc #####..... 1% 6 ####### f - Regeneration Chrm/Necr #####..... 1% 3 ###.... g - Swiftness Chrm/Air ####.... 1% 2 ##..... h - Necromutation Trmt/Necr ######.... 4% 8 ####### j - Beastly Appendage Trmt ###### 0% 1 None k - Ensorcelled Hibernat Hex/Ice ###... 1% 2 ##..... l - Silence Hex/Air ####...... 2% 5 ######. Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations Branches: Dungeon (15/15) Temple (1/1) D:7 Lair (8/8) D:8 Swamp (4/4) Lair:3 Spider (4/4) Lair:3 Slime (6/6) Lair:7 Orc (2/2) D:9 Elf (3/3) Orc:2 Vaults (5/5) D:13 Crypt (3/3) Vaults:3 Tomb (3/3) Crypt:3 Depths (5/5) D:15 Hell (1/1) Dis (7/7) Hell Geh (7/7) Hell Coc (7/7) Hell Tar (0/7) Hell Zot (5/5) Depths:5 Altars: Ashenzari Cheibriados Dithmenos Elyvilon Fedhas Gozag Kikubaaqudgha Makhleb Nemelex Xobeh Okawaru Pakellas Qazlal Ru Sif Muna Trog Vehumet Xom Yredelemnul Zin The Shining One Beogh Shops: D:4 % D:15 * Orc:2 *%:% Elf:3 ( Vaults:4 **:% Portals: Hell: Depths:1 Depths:2 Depths:3 Depths:4 Depths:5 Abyss: Depths:1 Depths:4 Pandemonium: Depths:3 Ziggurat: Depths:3 Annotations: D:5 exclusion: oklob plant Lair:2 exclusion: oklob plant Slime:3 Dissolution Dis:7 Dispater Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations You have hooves in place of feet. Armour fits poorly on your strangely shaped body. You cover ground very quickly. You have extremely tough skin (AC +3). You have a pair of small antennae on your head. You are partially covered in slimy green scales (AC +2). You are agile. (Dex +2) You tend to lose your temper in combat. You are dopey. (Int -2) You are resistant to hostile enchantments. Message History Zapping: V - a wand of digging (1/24) Press: ? - help, Shift-Dir - straight line The rock shatters into small pieces. This wand has 0 charges left. You feel very buoyant. You fly up into the air. You feel somewhat more hungry. You impale the plant!! You kick the plant, but do no damage. The plant is heavily damaged. You puncture the plant! You kick the plant, but do no damage. The plant is severely damaged. You impale the plant!! You kick the plant, but do no damage. The plant is almost destroyed. You hit the plant but do no damage. There is a sudden explosion of sparks! You destroy the plant! 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Vanquished Creatures 2 pandemonium lords (Pan) Asmodeus (Geh:7) the Royal Jelly (Slime:6) the Serpent of Hell (Geh:7) Mara (Crypt:1) Mennas (Depths:2) 4 orbs of fire 16 ancient liches A juggernaut (Depths:3) 35 greater mummies Boris (Tomb:1) Saint Roka (Crypt:1) 8 shard shrikes Norris (Elf:2) Geryon (Hell) 5 Killer Klowns (Zot:5) 2 caustic shrikes (Depths:4) 2 curse toes 18 golden dragons 9 profane servitors the Enchantress (Depths:2) 5 iron giants Nikola (Spider:2) 63 bone dragons Jorgrun (Swamp:2) An electric golem (Zot:5) 18 Brimstone Fiends 7 hellephants 18 Hell Sentinels 25 tentacled monstrosities 22 Ice Fiends 23 Orb Guardians 51 liches A deep elf master archer (Elf:3) 5 titans 7 quicksilver dragons 28 acid blobs A deep elf blademaster (Elf:3) 23 Executioners 205 tentacled starspawn 12 sphinxes 7 ancient champions 5 death cobs Agnes (Spider:2) Gastronok (Lair:1) Kirke (Spider:2) A thorn hunter (Swamp:4) Roxanne (Swamp:3) 8 tengu reavers 19 storm dragons 12 revenants 13 shadow dragons 5 draconian monks 5 daevas 12 azure jellies Donald (Swamp:2) Maud (Lair:4) 5 draconian knights 11 frost giants 14 fire giants 23 balrugs 12 iron dragons 16 vault wardens Wiglaf (Vaults:4) 11 deep elf sorcerers Aizul (Crypt:1) 8 ghost moths 3 curse skulls 8 draconian scorchers 3 emperor scorpions (Spider:4) 8 draconian shifters 7 draconian zealots 9 angels 6 draconian annihilators 10 deep elf elementalists 20 ghouls 14 cacodemons 8 ironheart preservers 3 warmongers (Pan) 4 draconian callers 5 spriggan defenders (Depths:2) 39 reapers 26 war gargoyles 94 very ugly things 2 corrupters (Pan) 2 blood saints (Pan) A chaos champion (Pan) 20 stone giants 14 green draconians 12 deep elf demonologists 10 vampire knights 5 elemental wellsprings 3 ophanim 10 deep elf annihilators (Elf:3) 5 black suns (Pan) 16 red draconians 13 mottled draconians The ghost of tabstorm the Warrior, a journeyman MiBe of Trog (Lair:6) 13 purple draconians 2 bennus (Tomb:2) 12 lorocyprocas 11 yellow draconians 10 black draconians 10 salamander stormcallers 9 spark wasps 8 white draconians 9 ettins A spectral quicksilver dragon (Crypt:3) 22 eidola 28 mummy priests 12 deep elf death magi 8 quicksilver dragon zombies 2 ettins (shapeshifter) 24 blizzard demons 43 vault guards 25 great orbs of eyes 21 fire dragons 2 merfolk javelineers 10 death oozes Josephine (D:9) A minotaur (Lab) 9 entropy weavers 21 green deaths 22 yaktaur captains 17 jiangshi 11 deep elf high priests 3 kraken zombies 37 ice dragons 17 hydras 3 hell beasts Erolcha (Orc:1) 4 naga warriors 2 spectral shadow dragons (Crypt:3) 4 monstrous demonspawn (Pan) 6 quicksilver dragon skeletons 6 spriggan air magi 39 rakshasas A ghost crab (shapeshifter) (Depths:4) 23 centaur warriors 2 spectral fire giants (Crypt:3) 9 death knights An alligator (Swamp:4) Erica (Orc:1) 2 anacondas (shapeshifter) 2 spectral frost giants (Crypt:3) 33 dancing weapons 12 deep troll shamans A queen ant (Lair:4) A satyr (Abyss:1) Urug (D:10) 6 tengu warriors 10 deep troll earth magi A queen ant (shapeshifter) (Vaults:4) 106 hell hogs 19 ogre magi 15 spriggan berserkers 17 vampire magi 5 death yaks 2 spectral storm dragons (Crypt:3) 2 orc high priests 118 thrashing horrors 48 hell knights 7 titan zombies 20 soul eaters 24 deep elf knights 19 spriggans 5 storm dragon zombies 152 wretched stars 2 fire crabs 28 shadow wraiths 41 sun demons 12 iron golems 21 iron trolls A spectral ghost moth (Crypt:3) 2 salamander mystics 8 titan skeletons 22 spatial maelstroms 56 death scarabs 2 spriggan druids 105 skeletal warriors 36 giant orange brains 6 shadow demons 10 storm dragon skeletons 11 anaconda zombies 5 golden dragon zombies 4 ghost moth zombies 2 shambling mangroves 17 unseen horrors An unseen horror (shapeshifter) (Abyss:1) 29 flayed ghosts 2 gelid demonspawn (Pan) 2 infernal demonspawn 4 putrid demonspawn (Pan) 6 death drakes 4 spectral iron dragons (Crypt:3) 28 phantasmal warriors 6 shadow dragon zombies 4 quicksilver dragon simulacra 5 spectral hydras 6 ironbrand convokers 44 deep trolls 2 orb spiders (shapeshifter) 6 lindwurms (Lair:8) 3 torturous demonspawn (Pan) 3 harpies 8 wizards 10 hill giants 9 anaconda skeletons 4 golden dragon skeletons 11 deep elf archers 36 wolf spiders 4 wolf spider zombies 16 orc knights 5 anubis guards 3 oklob plants 18 orb spiders 3 iron dragon zombies 8 stone giant zombies 6 cyclopes 5 griffons 3 mana vipers 4 orc sorcerers A mana viper (shapeshifter) (Vaults:4) 36 necromancers 83 worldbinders 7 shining eyes 14 shadow dragon skeletons 3 fauns (Depths:2) 11 frost giant zombies 17 moths of wrath 61 ugly things A cyclops (shapeshifter) (Abyss:2) 3 shock serpent zombies 10 fire giant zombies 10 hornets 52 sixfirhies 4 iron dragon skeletons 47 rust devils 3 manticores 14 salamanders 10 stone giant skeletons A salamander (shapeshifter) (Abyss:3) 76 deep elf magi 11 vault sentinels 5 black mambas (shapeshifter) 8 guardian serpents 5 dire elephant zombies 11 frost giant skeletons 2 moths of wrath (shapeshifter) A spectral shock serpent (Crypt:3) 17 elephants Joseph (D:10) 6 torpor snails 3 centaur zombies 2 ice statues A manticore (shapeshifter) (Vaults:4) 39 apocalypse crabs 17 molten gargoyles (Geh:7) A toenail golem (Abyss:1) Maurice (D:13) 8 eyes of devastation A water nymph (shapeshifter) (Vaults:4) 8 black mambas 3 spiny frogs (shapeshifter) An alligator snapping turtle zombie (Crypt:2) An octopode (shapeshifter) (Vaults:4) 10 fire giant skeletons 170 smoke demons An eye of devastation (shapeshifter) (Depths:5) 60 orange demons 5 spectral swamp worms A yellow draconian zombie (Crypt:3) 2 titan simulacra 16 spiny frogs 2 gargoyles 4 shock serpent skeletons 7 rime drakes 37 hellions 7 dire elephant skeletons 10 kobold demonologists A catoblepas zombie (Geh:7) 44 tormentors 3 rime drakes (shapeshifter) A komodo dragon (shapeshifter) (Abyss:3) 55 yaktaurs 61 freezing wraiths 6 emperor scorpion zombies 8 komodo dragons 5 swamp worm zombies (Swamp:4) 49 guardian mummies A golden dragon simulacrum (Coc:1) 44 hellwings 150 ancient zymes 7 anaconda simulacra 30 efreet A green draconian skeleton (Crypt:2) A queen ant zombie (Crypt:2) 2 catoblepas skeletons 32 demonic crawlers 2 jumping spiders (shapeshifter) 36 red devils A ghost moth simulacrum (Hell) An entropy weaver zombie (Crypt:1) 2 queen bees (shapeshifter) 51 ice devils 2 giant leeches (shapeshifter) 4 harpy zombies 19 hydra zombies An iron troll skeleton (Crypt:1) 4 silent spectres 5 tengu conjurers 24 two-headed ogres 2 polar bears (D:12) 502 large abominations A shadow dragon simulacrum (Abyss:1) 31 jumping spiders 9 boulder beetles 2 raiju (shapeshifter) Grinder (D:4) 6 trolls 2 polar bears (shapeshifter) 10 giant leeches A wind drake (shapeshifter) (Abyss:1) 360 raiju 2 spectral swamp dragons (Swamp:4) 7 fire dragon zombies 6 hydra skeletons A spectral manticore (Crypt:3) A boulder beetle (shapeshifter) (Vaults:4) 2 fire giant simulacra 24 ushabtiu 2 iron dragon simulacra 51 blink frogs 7 ettin zombies 146 slime creatures 2 spectral guardian serpents (Crypt:1) A minotaur skeleton (Geh:4) 6 bog bodies 11 alligator zombies 2 guardian serpent skeletons 2 frost giant simulacra 8 air elementals A stone giant simulacrum (Crypt:3) A tarantella (shapeshifter) (Abyss:2) 9 fire dragon skeletons 3 ice dragon skeletons 165 flying skulls 51 wraiths 33 shadows 87 redbacks A wyvern (shapeshifter) (Vaults:3) 5 wyverns 6 ice dragon zombies An alligator skeleton (Geh:7) A spriggan (shapeshifter) (D:13) 38 water elementals A black mamba zombie (Coc:5) 10 vampires 2 hogs (Spider:2) 2 humans (shapeshifter) 31 tarantellas 146 ynoxinuls A dire elephant simulacrum (IceCv) 32 fire elementals A hog (shapeshifter) (Abyss:1) A black mamba skeleton (Abyss:3) 32 fire bats 12 basilisks 20 golden eyes A yak (shapeshifter) (Abyss:2) A giant leech zombie (Crypt:1) 8 ettin skeletons 36 yaks 13 hippogriffs 22 hungry ghosts 111 chaos spawn 3 emperor scorpion simulacra A mottled dragon (shapeshifter) (Depths:1) 23 vampire mosquitoes 113 neqoxecs 3 mottled dragons 19 spatial vortices 2 iron troll simulacra (IceCv) 26 swamp worms A putrid demonspawn zombie (Crypt:2) 4 soldier ants (Lair:4) 8 wargs 2 wargs (shapeshifter) 6 harpy simulacra 3 nagas 13 spiny frog zombies A faun zombie (Crypt:1) 65 insubstantial wisps 8 water moccasins 9 porcupines 83 hell hounds 7 hydra simulacra A giant eyeball (Abyss:4) A hell hound (shapeshifter) (Depths:1) A putrid demonspawn skeleton (Crypt:2) 2 ice dragon simulacra 66 orc warriors 5 swamp dragon zombies 29 ice beasts 13 sky beasts 5 swamp drakes 10 snapping turtle zombies A black bear (shapeshifter) (Vaults:5) 2 black bears 5 spiny frog skeletons An alligator simulacrum (Coc:4) 3 manticore zombies 15 boggarts 7 ettin simulacra 11 necrophages A wasp (shapeshifter) (Vaults:4) 29 eyes of draining 12 phantoms 31 wasps A fire dragon simulacrum (Abyss:3) A tengu (shapeshifter) (Vaults:1) 65 ogres 39 centaurs 4 manticore skeletons 4 swamp dragon skeletons 13 wolves 5 snapping turtle skeletons 22 big kobolds 13 crocodiles A crocodile (shapeshifter) (Vaults:2) 4 elf zombies 10 earth elementals 14 giant frogs A water moccasin zombie (Crypt:2) A spiny frog simulacrum (Crypt:3) A warg zombie (Crypt:2) A wyvern skeleton (D:14) 6 scorpions 425 small abominations An elephant simulacrum (IceCv) 98 wights A spectral ogre (Crypt:3) A snapping turtle simulacrum (Abyss:1) A spectral tengu (Crypt:3) 5 killer bees (D:14) 9 howler monkeys 2 vampire bats (Abyss:1) 6 electric eels 32 jellies 25 crimson imps A giant frog zombie (D:12) 84 quasits 450 starcursed masses 4 draconian simulacra (IceCv) 4 hounds 6 centaur skeletons 5 human zombies 24 orc priests A soldier ant zombie (Crypt:2) 10 iguanas 100 iron imps 24 orc wizards A human skeleton (Coc:1) Natasha (twice) (D:2 D:3) 3 hell rats 2 troll simulacra (IceCv) A spectral swamp drake (Swamp:4) 25 worker ants 2 wolf simulacra (IceCv) 2 spriggan simulacra (IceCv) 14 sheep A dwarf zombie (Crypt:3) 2 giant frog simulacra (D:12) A big kobold zombie (Crypt:3) A mottled dragon zombie (Crypt:3) 4 tengu zombies A wasp simulacrum (D:12) 5 centaur simulacra A deep dwarf skeleton (Crypt:2) 2 naga skeletons A human simulacrum (Abyss:3) 2 hound skeletons 63 mummies 4 gnolls (D:2) 4 howler monkey skeletons 2 ogre simulacra 9 adders 3 naga simulacra 50 river rats A swamp drake zombie (Crypt:2) 14 shadow imps 107 white imps 90 ufetubi 2 oozes 4 adder skeletons 21 worms 3 dart slugs 5 giant geckos 148 orcs 3 bat zombies (D:4) 6 giant cockroaches 2 hobgoblins 4 jackals A kobold (shapeshifter) (Abyss:3) 2 quokkas 4 ball pythons A ball python skeleton (D:5) 7 bats 2 giant gecko skeletons 3 giant newts 8 goblins 29 kobolds 2 kobold skeletons An orc zombie (Abyss:1) 4 rats 2 rat zombies (D:4) A spectral orc (D:6) 2 bushes A crawling corpse (Elf:3) 7 fire vortices 77 fungi 2 lost souls (Crypt:3) 23 lurking horrors 64 plants 135 starspawn tentacles 8 starspawn tentacle segments 7 tentacles 9937 creatures vanquished. Vanquished Creatures (collateral kills) Antaeus (Coc:7) 3 Orb Guardians (Zot:5) 2 Ice Fiends A quicksilver dragon (Dis:7) A titan (Vaults:4) A death cob (Zot:5) 2 acid blobs (Slime:2) A shadow dragon (Vaults:4) A fire giant (D:15) A ghost moth (Spider:3) A deep elf sorcerer (Elf:1) An iron dragon (Dis:7) A cacodemon (Abyss:1) 2 reapers (Dis:7) A war gargoyle (Dis:7) A green draconian (Abyss:3) A mummy priest (Tomb:1) A blizzard demon (Coc:7) 2 ice dragons A ghost crab (Swamp:4) A dancing weapon (Elf:2) A deep elf knight (Elf:2) A soul eater (Hell) An iron golem (Dis:7) 6 death scarabs (Tomb:1) An anaconda zombie (Coc:7) An infernal demonspawn (Depths:3) A ghost moth zombie (Abyss:3) A phantasmal warrior (Swamp:4) A wolf spider (Spider:4) An eye of devastation (Abyss:4) A guardian serpent (Abyss:3) A frost giant skeleton (Coc:7) 4 rust devils A smoke demon (Abyss:3) A dire elephant skeleton (Coc:7) A demonic crawler (Hell) An efreet (Abyss:3) An ice devil (Depths:3) An ancient zyme (Abyss:3) A bog body (Swamp:4) 2 slime creatures An ushabti (Tomb:2) 4 flying skulls (Coc:7) A ynoxinul (Depths:3) A redback (Spider:4) A fire bat (Depths:3) A neqoxec (Abyss:2) A large abomination (Abyss:3) A swamp dragon zombie (Swamp:4) 2 orc warriors (Orc:2) A giant frog (D:12) 3 small abominations A quasit (Abyss:2) A jelly (Slime:2) A swamp drake zombie (Swamp:4) A white imp (Coc:7) 78 creatures vanquished. Vanquished Creatures (others) A shard shrike (Coc:7) 2 eldritch tentacles A tengu reaver (Vaults:5) A fire giant (Depths:5) A salamander stormcaller (Geh:6) An elemental wellspring (Coc:6) A yaktaur captain (Vaults:1) An ice dragon (Zot:5) 2 ogre magi (Abyss:4) 3 hell hogs A thrashing horror (Abyss:2) A deep elf knight (Vaults:1) 6 death scarabs An unseen horror (D:15) An anaconda zombie (Abyss:1) A stone giant zombie (Coc:6) A moth of wrath (Zot:5) A smoke demon (Abyss:2) A freezing wraith (Abyss:3) A guardian mummy (Tomb:3) 2 ancient zymes An ice devil (Hell) A giant leech (Swamp:1) A polar bear (Lair:7) A hydra skeleton (Coc:4) A water elemental (Depths:4) A shadow (Coc:1) 14 flying skulls A wraith (Geh:3) An ice dragon skeleton (Tomb:2) 7 small abominations A ynoxinul (Abyss:2) A human (Spider:2) 3 golden eyes (Abyss:3) A hippogriff (D:12) 4 chaos spawn 3 large abominations A starcursed mass (Abyss:3) 2 boggarts 5 wights 5 quasits A human simulacrum (Hell) A mummy (Tomb:2) A tengu simulacrum (Hell) 2 white imps (Abyss:2) 3 ufetubi 2 crawling corpses (Elf:3) 274 eldritch tentacle segments 21 fungi 6 lost souls 3 lurking horrors 44 plants 453 starspawn tentacles 3661 starspawn tentacle segments 11 tentacles 491 tentacle segments 13 toadstools 5073 creatures vanquished. Grand Total: 15088 creatures vanquished

Thursday, 16th June 2016, 07:14 by 4Hooves2Appendages

Nicely done!