Help a dummy understand armour, ER, Str and spellcasting /:

[Sagrath01]

So another DeIe. Got the reduced ER from armour mut and decided to not use Ozos. But it becomes painfully apparent that i do not understand the mechanix at all. What is the relation between STR, ER, spellcasting and dodging? Am i right to raise str and dx on this dude, to make heavier armour feasible?

My general plan With this dude is to play as a Warrior, With some support from Magic, decide on Shield or not when or if a good Shield or weapon shows up. Use makheb for ranged and summoning, but mainly because hp from kills. Good plan?

Trying to understand this game i love

[Sagrath01]

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 Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.18.1-8-gdd0e5ea (webtiles) character file.

Sagrath01 the Champion of Chaos (DsIE)             Turns: 16962, Time: 01:24:17

Health: 89/89      AC: 18    Str: 12    XL:     12   Next: 12%
Magic:  20/20      EV: 20    Int: 18    God:    Makhleb [******]
Gold:   1004       SH:  0    Dex: 14    Spells: 5 memorised, 2 levels left

rFire  . . .      SeeInvis .    m - +2 whip (elec)
rCold  . . .      Gourm    .    N - +2 mottled dragon armour
rNeg   . . .      Faith    .    (no shield)
rPois  .          Spirit   .    D - +2 helmet
rElec  .          Dismiss  .    x - +2 cloak {+Inv}
rCorr  .          Reflect  .    H - +1 pair of gloves
SustAt .          Harm     .    (boots unavailable)
MR     .....                    P - amulet of magic regeneration
Stlth  +.........               L - +4 ring of evasion
                                o - ring of wizardry

@: not resistant to hostile enchantments, very unstealthy
A: hooves 3, powered by pain 1, spiny 1, subdued magic 1, sturdy frame 2
a: Minor Destruction, Lesser Servant of Makhleb, Major Destruction, Greater
Servant of Makhleb, Renounce Religion, Evoke Invisibility


You are on level 4 of the Lair of Beasts.
You worship Makhleb.
Makhleb is exalted by your worship.
You are not hungry.

You have visited 3 branches of the dungeon, and seen 16 of its levels.
You have also visited: Sewer.

You have collected 1469 gold pieces.
You have spent 465 gold pieces at shops.

Inventory:

Hand Weapons
 m - a +2 whip of electrocution (weapon)
 q - the +3 battleaxe of Execution {flame, rF+ Int+5 Dex-4}
   (You found it on level 3 of the Lair of Beasts)   
   
   It has been specially enchanted to burn those struck by it, causing extra
   injury to most foes and up to half again as much damage against particularly
   susceptible opponents. Big, fiery blades are also staple armaments of
   hydra-hunters.
   
   It affects your intelligence (+5).
   It affects your dexterity (-4).
   It protects you from fire.
 v - a +2 whip of draining
Missiles
 t - 365 stones (quivered)
Armour
 x - a +2 cloak of invisibility (worn)
 D - a +2 helmet (worn)
 H - a +1 pair of gloves (worn)
 N - a +2 mottled dragon armour (worn)
Jewellery
 o - a ring of wizardry (left hand)
 L - a +4 ring of evasion (right hand)
 P - an amulet of magic regeneration (around neck)
 R - the ring of Wainlimn {-Tele +Inv rC+ SInv}
   (You bought it in a shop on level 9 of the Dungeon)   
   
   [ring of see invisible]
   
   It protects you from cold.
   It lets you see invisible.
   It lets you turn invisible.
   It prevents most forms of teleportation.
Wands
 u - a wand of lightning
 B - a wand of acid {zapped: 2}
 C - a wand of random effects {zapped: 2}
 K - a wand of acid
 O - a wand of heal wounds (7/9)
Scrolls
 a - a scroll of summoning
 e - a scroll of enchant armour
 g - 5 scrolls of magic mapping
 p - a scroll of fear
 r - 5 scrolls of teleportation
 s - 4 scrolls of amnesia
 w - a scroll of fog
 W - a scroll labeled AFEITA VIOWY
 X - 3 scrolls of remove curse
Potions
 h - 5 potions of haste
 i - 3 potions of brilliance
 j - 3 potions of agility
 k - a potion of resistance
 n - 4 potions of lignification
 z - a potion of ambrosia
 A - 5 potions of magic
 E - 3 potions of heal wounds
 F - 8 potions of curing
 J - 2 potions of flight
 V - a lumpy white potion
 Z - a viscous brown potion
Books
 b - a book of Misfortune   
   
    Spells                             Type                      Level
    a - Confusing Touch              Hexes                         2
    b - Confuse                      Hexes                         3
    c - Gell's Gravitas              Hexes/Translocation           3
    d - Petrify                      Transmutation/Earth           4
    e - Metabolic Englaciation       Hexes/Ice                     5
    f - Yara's Violent Unravelling   Hexes/Transmutation           5
Miscellaneous
 f - a box of beasts
Comestibles
 c - 14 bread rations
 d - 4 slices of pizza
 l - 13 fruits
 G - 6 chunks of flesh


   Skills:
 + Level 6.7 Fighting
 - Level 8.1 Maces & Flails
 + Level 5.0 Armour
 - Level 8.0 Dodging
 - Level 1.7 Stealth
 - Level 3.0 Spellcasting
 - Level 1.0 Conjurations
 - Level 0.1 Charms
 - Level 3.1 Summonings
 - Level 4.0 Necromancy
 - Level 7.0 Ice Magic
 + Level 0.6 Poison Magic
 - Level 11.6 Invocations
 - Level 2.0 Evocations


You have 2 spell levels left.
You know the following spells:

 Your Spells              Type           Power        Failure   Level  Hunger
a - Freeze                Ice            ###.         1%          1    None
b - Ozocubu's Armour      Chrm/Ice       ##......     4%          3    ###....
c - Summon Ice Beast      Ice/Summ       ###.....     9%          4    ####...
d - Mephitic Cloud        Conj/Pois/Air  #.......     16%         3    ###....
e - Animate Dead          Necr           N/A          12%         4    ####...


Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations

Branches:
Dungeon (11/15)            Temple (1/1) D:4            Lair (4/8) D:11
  Swamp (0/4) Lair:3          Orc (0/2) D:9         
 Snake: Lair:3-6    Spider: Lair:3-6   

Altars:
Ashenzari
Cheibriados
Dithmenos
Elyvilon
Fedhas
Gozag
Kikubaaqudgha
Makhleb
Nemelex Xobeh
Okawaru
Pakellas
Qazlal
Ru
Sif Muna
Trog
Vehumet
Xom
Yredelemnul
Zin
The Shining One

Shops:
D:4 }   D:7 [   D:9 *

Annotations:
D:3 1 exclusion
Lair:3 exclusion: downstairs


Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations

You have hooves in place of feet.
You sometimes gain a little power by taking damage.
You are partially covered in sharp spines.
Your movements are less encumbered by armour (ER -4).
Your spells are a little easier to cast, but a little less powerful.


Message History

The elephant completely misses you.
Your ice beast hits the elephant but does no damage. x3
You hit the elephant.
You kill the elephant!
Makhleb accepts your kill.
Your Armour skill increases to level 5!
You swap places.
You see here an elephant corpse.
Your ice beast disappears in a puff of smoke!
Your ice beast disappears in a puff of smoke!
Your ice beast disappears in a puff of smoke!
Partly explored, can't reach some places.
(D) Dungeon        (T) Temple         (L) Lair           (S) Swamp         
(O) Orcish Mines   
Where to? (? - help)
What level of the Lair of Beasts? (default 1, ? - help)
There is a stone staircase leading down here.
You climb downwards.
There is a stone staircase leading up here.
Save game and exit?

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There are no monsters in sight!

Vanquished Creatures
  Erica (D:11)
  An unseen horror (D:11)
  A manticore (D:11)
  3 slime creatures (D:11)
  4 elephants (Lair:3)
  2 spiny frogs
  2 blink frogs (Lair:2)
  4 yaks
  3 hippogriffs
  3 hungry ghosts
  A mottled dragon (D:11)
  3 water moccasins
  7 orc warriors
  Duvessa (D:6)
  2 porcupines
  A sky beast (D:10)
  A black bear (D:7)
  4 phantoms
  4 ogres
  4 wolves (Lair:2)
  5 centaurs
  2 crocodiles
  A big kobold (Sewer)
  A gnoll sergeant (D:8)
  9 giant frogs
  3 scorpions
  Dowan (D:6)
  3 wights (D:9)
  3 howler monkeys
  3 electric eels (Lair:3)
  A crimson imp (D:9)
  A lava snake (Lair:3)
  A quasit (D:7)
  4 jellies
  5 orc priests
  A giant frog skeleton (D:5)
  3 giant frog zombies
  4 hounds
  A centaur skeleton (D:10)
  A gnoll shaman (D:6)
  3 iguanas
  6 hell rats (Lair:2)
  14 orc wizards
  4 worker ants
  A hound zombie (D:8)
  2 hound skeletons
  A mummy (D:7)
  A howler monkey zombie (D:10)
  2 worker ant zombies (D:11)
  10 adders
  9 gnolls
  26 river rats
  A shadow imp (D:5)
  An ooze (D:1)
  An adder skeleton (D:10)
  An adder zombie (D:5)
  5 worms
  2 dart slugs
  11 giant geckos
  50 orcs
  5 bats
  7 giant cockroaches
  7 hobgoblins
  16 jackals
  3 quokkas
  3 ball pythons
  5 giant newts
  18 goblins
  11 kobolds
  3 quokka skeletons
  19 rats
353 creatures vanquished.

Vanquished Creatures (collateral kills)
  A hill giant (D:11)
  The ghost of Tux the Summoner, a novice TeSu of Vehumet (D:9)
  An ugly thing (D:11)
  A molten gargoyle (Lair:3)
  A black mamba (Lair:3)
  A gargoyle (D:10)
  A spiny frog (Lair:1)
  2 komodo dragons
  2 blink frogs (Lair:2)
  A spriggan (D:7)
  A hippogriff (Lair:2)
  8 yaks
  A fire elemental (Lair:3)
  A hungry ghost (D:11)
  Menkaure (D:6)
  2 hell hounds (D:11)
  A porcupine (Lair:1)
  5 water moccasins
  3 orc warriors
  3 sky beasts
  4 ogres
  A necrophage (D:7)
  2 wolves (Lair:2)
  4 crocodiles
  A centaur (D:8)
  2 giant frogs
  4 killer bees (D:10)
  An electric eel (Lair:3)
  3 howler monkeys (D:9)
  2 jellies
  A crimson imp (D:11)
  4 orc priests
  3 hounds
  7 orc wizards
  2 hell rats (Lair:2)
  A worker ant (D:9)
  Robin (D:4)
  9 gnolls
  2 adders
  7 river rats
  An adder skeleton (D:6)
  22 orcs
  A goblin (D:4)
  2 hobgoblins (D:4)
  3 jackals
  A quokka (D:7)
  2 kobolds (Sewer)
  A rat (Sewer)
132 creatures vanquished.

Vanquished Creatures (others)
  A quokka (D:7)
  A plant (Lair:1)
2 creatures vanquished.

Grand Total: 487 creatures vanquished

Notes
Turn   | Place    | Note
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     0 | D:1      | Sagrath01 the Demonspawn Ice Elementalist began the quest for the Orb.
     0 | D:1      | Reached XP level 1. HP: 13/13 MP: 3/3
   105 | D:1      | Gained mutation: Your movements are slightly less encumbered by armour (ER -2). [demonic ancestry]
   105 | D:1      | Reached XP level 2. HP: 19/19 MP: 1/5
   784 | D:1      | Gained mutation: Your movements are less encumbered by armour (ER -4). [demonic ancestry]
   784 | D:1      | Reached XP level 3. HP: 17/24 MP: 2/7
  1750 | D:2      | Found a faded altar to an unknown god.
  1780 | D:2      | Found a stormy altar of Qazlal.
  1879 | D:2      | Gained mutation: You have large cloven feet. [demonic ancestry]
  1879 | D:2      | Reached XP level 4. HP: 30/30 MP: 3/8
  1892 | D:2      | Learned a level 3 spell: Ozocubu's Armour
  1897 | D:2      | Learned a level 4 spell: Summon Ice Beast
  3261 | D:3      | Found a deep blue altar of Sif Muna.
  3746 | D:4      | Gained mutation: You are partially covered in sharp spines. [demonic ancestry]
  3746 | D:4      | Reached XP level 5. HP: 30/35 MP: 0/9
  3855 | D:4      | Noticed Robin
  3867 | D:4      | Reached skill level 1 in Summonings
  3873 | D:4      | Killed Robin
  4148 | D:4      | Found a staircase to the Ecumenical Temple.
  4154 | Temple   | Entered the Ecumenical Temple
  4283 | Temple   | Became a worshipper of Makhleb the Destroyer
  4702 | D:4      | Reached skill level 5 in Ice Magic
  4875 | D:4      | Gained mutation: You have hoof-like feet. [demonic ancestry]
  4875 | D:4      | Reached XP level 6. HP: 40/41 MP: 0/10
  5030 | D:4      | Found Apsifuim's Gadget Emporium.
  5249 | D:5      | Entered Level 5 of the Dungeon
  5334 | D:5      | Reached skill level 1 in Maces & Flails
  5477 | D:5      | Reached XP level 7. HP: 34/46 MP: 2/11
  5588 | D:5      | Reached * piety under Makhleb
  5838 | D:5      | Found a shattered altar of Ashenzari.
  6130 | D:5      | Found a glowing golden altar of the Shining One.
  6442 | D:5      | Found a snail-covered altar of Cheibriados.
  6605 | D:6      | Reached XP level 8. HP: 48/52 MP: 5/12
  6674 | D:6      | Found an ancient bone altar of Kikubaaqudgha.
  6682 | D:6      | Reached ** piety under Makhleb
  6775 | D:6      | Found a glowing drain.
  6788 | Sewer    | Entered a sewer
  7018 | Sewer    | Found a white marble altar of Elyvilon.
  7153 | D:6      | Noticed Menkaure
  7160 | D:6      | Killed Menkaure
  7160 | D:6      | Reached skill level 5 in Maces & Flails
  7327 | D:6      | Noticed Dowan
  7328 | D:6      | Noticed Duvessa
  7332 | D:6      | Killed Dowan
  7339 | D:6      | Killed Duvessa
  7577 | D:6      | Reached skill level 1 in Evocations
  7662 | D:6      | Reached *** piety under Makhleb
  7705 | D:6      | Gained mutation: Armour fits poorly on your strangely shaped body. [mutagenic meat]
  7706 | D:6      | Lost mutation: Armour fits poorly on your strangely shaped body. [mutagenic meat]
  7707 | D:6      | Gained mutation: Your spells are a little easier to cast, but a little less powerful. [mutagenic meat]
  7956 | D:7      | Found Tigoaggu's Armour Shop.
  7979 | D:7      | Reached skill level 1 in Invocations
  8006 | D:7      | Reached skill level 2 in Invocations
  8116 | D:7      | Reached skill level 3 in Invocations
  8240 | D:7      | Reached skill level 4 in Invocations
  8310 | D:7      | Found a white marble altar of Elyvilon.
  8349 | D:7      | Reached skill level 5 in Invocations
  8349 | D:7      | Gained mutation: You have hooves in place of feet. [demonic ancestry]
  8349 | D:7      | Reached XP level 9. HP: 56/57 MP: 5/13
  8414 | D:4      | Bought a wand of heal wounds (1/9) for 360 gold pieces
  8492 | D:7      | Reached skill level 6 in Invocations
  8573 | D:7      | Found a basalt altar of Yredelemnul.
  8772 | D:7      | Found a snail-covered altar of Cheibriados.
  8968 | D:8      | Reached skill level 1 in Armour
  8992 | D:8      | Reached **** piety under Makhleb
  9117 | D:8      | Found an iron altar of Okawaru.
  9751 | D:8      | Found a sacrificial altar of Ru.
  9760 | D:8      | Found a sparkling altar of Nemelex Xobeh.
  9764 | D:8      | Found a shadowy altar of Dithmenos.
 10252 | D:9      | Learned a level 3 spell: Mephitic Cloud
 10253 | D:9      | Found Unih's Assorted Antiques.
 10261 | D:9      | Bought a faintly glowing pewter ring for 105 gold pieces
 10262 | D:9      | Identified the ring of Wainlimn {-Tele +Inv rC+ SInv} (You bought it in a shop on level 9 of the Dungeon)
 10351 | D:9      | Reached skill level 1 in Fighting
 10409 | D:9      | Reached ***** piety under Makhleb
 10458 | D:9      | Found a staircase to the Orcish Mines.
 10685 | D:9      | Reached XP level 10. HP: 68/68 MP: 2/14
 10971 | D:9      | Noticed Tux's ghost (novice TeSu)
 11001 | D:9      | Killed Tux's ghost
 11245 | D:10     | Entered Level 10 of the Dungeon
 11429 | D:10     | Noticed a gargoyle
 11436 | D:10     | Killed a gargoyle
 11453 | D:10     | Reached skill level 5 in Fighting
 11733 | D:10     | Reached skill level 5 in Dodging
 12270 | D:11     | Noticed a manticore
 12284 | D:11     | Killed a manticore
 12383 | D:11     | Reached skill level 7 in Invocations
 12468 | D:11     | Noticed a hill giant
 12469 | D:11     | Noticed Erica
 12475 | D:11     | Killed a hill giant
 12475 | D:11     | Reached skill level 8 in Invocations
 12495 | D:11     | Killed Erica
 12576 | D:11     | Reached skill level 9 in Invocations
 12845 | D:11     | Found a staircase to the Lair.
 12982 | D:11     | Gained mutation: You sometimes gain a little power by taking damage. [demonic ancestry]
 12982 | D:11     | Reached XP level 11. HP: 56/79 MP: 18/18
 13091 | D:11     | Reached ****** piety under Makhleb
 13222 | D:11     | Reached skill level 10 in Invocations
 13256 | D:11     | Got a warped dagger
 13581 | D:11     | Noticed an unseen horror
 13593 | D:11     | Killed an unseen horror
 13593 | D:11     | Reached skill level 11 in Invocations
 13687 | D:11     | Noticed a cyan ugly thing
 13698 | D:11     | Killed a cyan ugly thing
 13875 | Lair:1   | Entered Level 1 of the Lair of Beasts
 13966 | Lair:1   | Learned a level 4 spell: Animate Dead
 14241 | Lair:1   | Reached skill level 1 in Necromancy
 16104 | Lair:3   | Found a staircase to the Swamp.
 16371 | Lair:3   | Identified a scroll of acquirement
 16527 | Lair:3   | Reached XP level 12. HP: 88/88 MP: 20/20
 16655 | Lair:3   | Got a translucent battleaxe
 16661 | Lair:3   | Identified the cursed +3 battleaxe of Execution {flame, rF+ Int+5 Dex-4} (You found it on level 3 of the Lair of Beasts)
 16879 | Lair:3   | Reached skill level 5 in Armour

Skill      XL: |  1  2  3  4  5  6  7  8  9 10 11 12 |
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Ice Magic      |  3        4  5  6  7                |  7.0
Spellcasting   |        3                            |  3.0
Summonings     |              1  2  3                |  3.1
Maces & Flails |                 1  3  6  8          |  8.1
Evocations     |                       1  2          |  2.0
Invocations    |                       5  6  9 11    | 11.6
Dodging        |                          3  6  8    |  8.0
Armour         |                          3     4  5 |  5.0
Fighting       |                          2  5  6    |  6.7
Necromancy     |                                4    |  4.0
Stealth        |                                     |  1.7
Conjurations   |                                     |  1.0
Charms         |                                     |  0.1
Poison Magic   |                                     |  0.6

Action                   |  1- 3 |  4- 6 |  7- 9 | 10-12 || total
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Melee: Unarmed           |     8 |       |       |       ||     8
       Whip              |    20 |    90 |   274 |   515 ||   899
       Kick              |       |    18 |    58 |   122 ||   198
Throw: Stone             |       |    42 |     1 |       ||    43
 Cast: Freeze            |    62 |    44 |    10 |     6 ||   122
       Ozocubu's Armour  |       |     8 |    25 |     7 ||    40
       Summon Ice Beast  |       |     7 |    55 |    89 ||   151
       Animate Dead      |       |       |       |    10 ||    10
Invok: Minor Destruction |       |       |    13 |    41 ||    54
       Lesser Servant of |       |       |     4 |    11 ||    15
Evoke: Wand              |       |       |     2 |       ||     2
  Use: Scroll            |       |       |    21 |    12 ||    33
       Potion            |       |       |     2 |     1 ||     3
 Stab: Sleeping          |     3 |     3 |       |     3 ||     9
       Distracted        |       |       |     2 |     6 ||     8
  Eat: Chunk             |     3 |    10 |    30 |    33 ||    76
       Beef jerky        |       |     1 |     1 |       ||     2
       Pizza             |       |     1 |       |     1 ||     2
       Fruit             |       |       |     1 |     1 ||     2
       Meat ration       |       |       |     1 |     2 ||     3
Armor: Robe              |     8 |    22 |       |       ||    30
       Leather armour    |       |    12 |    48 |    30 ||    90
       Mottled dragon ar |       |       |       |    60 ||    60
Dodge: Dodged            |    48 |    59 |   178 |   307 ||   592




[Sagrath01]

Should I raise EVO for the INVcloak? I love inv, but De needs some focus because of apts....

[seren]

I am not sure it is up to date :

But here is a detail of the calculation of Encumbrance effects .

http://crawl.chaosforge.org/Encumbrance_rating

Note the graph at the bottom of the page, that gives you a feeling to the relation between strength and malus for different armours.

[Sagrath01]

Thanks! Do you about about shields and auxilliary attacks? WIll i lose the kick from feet mutation if i use a buckler? Probably still worth it, but just wondering. Time to get a better grasp of how stuff works...

[seren]

http://crawl.chaosforge.org/Auxiliary_attack

If you have Hooves3 according to the wiki you can't wear boots. Kick attack can only prevented by wearing boots(if you can) so you can wear a buckler.

[ThreeInvisibleDucks]

Regarding Str and spellcasting, see viewtopic.php?f=5&t=17049