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Snake Sneak

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Joined: Tuesday, 10th September 2013, 14:55

Post Sunday, 8th November 2015, 11:44

CiP: TrHu^Oka, what progression?

Hi all!
I managed to learn how to melee decently, and how to survive with a Troll, so at the moment I am doing Nest.
Planning to do Shoals, Vaults and a bit of extended after that (Elf, Slime, Tomb...) - never reached the extended till now.

I was gifted with an extraordinary +5 robe of vines {DeviceHeal--- Regen++++++} together with cloak of regen and natural troll regen, this means I regen about 5HP/turn at the moment.
This come with a huge hunger cost, so I alternate it depending on how many edible monsters are in the branch with the +3 swamp dragon armour of the Peasants {rPois Str+2 Dex+3}

At the moment this is a very simple build:

+ Level 11,5 Fighting
- Level 9,0 Throwing
+ Level 9,4 Dodging
- Level 10,2 Shields
* Level 17,3 Unarmed Combat
- Level 7,0 Invocations
- Level 6,5 Evocations

but I really dont know how to progress in the future. Damage output is quite solid, but when I am surrounded by many monsters things get difficult.

I am struggling about:

1) rods: I found three nice rods: iron (not so nice, actually), swarm and clouds (the last one is still in the shop @ 1500gold), so I trained a bit of Evo till 6.5, but I am not sure this is the right road to go.

2) ranged: I am using a bit of Throwing, but large rocks mulch quite fast if you only have 18 of them, I was thinking about going longbow/crossbow (i have a +7 venom longbow gifted by oka and an unknown artifcat hand crossbow lying in a shop) but I am not sure about it, since I am using the shield.

3) about shields: i have a +2 large shield somewhere; should I train shields till 15 and use it, or should I stop with the normal shield?

4) gods: Oka is obviously good at the moment. I found an altar of Jyiva outside the slime entrance, and there's always kiku / makhleb or TSO. What should I use after cleaning Nest/Shoals?

5) spells: should I train for swiftness RMSL?

What do you think guys (and gals)? Thank you!

  Code:
 Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.18-a0-46-g45ca8e4 (tiles) character file.

Grwl the Brawler (Troll Hunter)                    Turns: 33043, Time: 02:38:56

Health: 163/163    AC: 15    Str: 26    XL:     16   Next: 87%
Magic:  20/20      EV: 15    Int:  7    God:    Okawaru [******]
Gold:   1476       SH: 12    Dex: 18    Spells: 0 memorised, 15 levels left

rFire  . . .     SeeInvis .       - Unarmed
rCold  + + .     Clarity  .     t - +3 swamp dragon armour of the Peasants {rPois Str+2 Dex+3}
rNeg   . . .     SustAt   .     a - +0 shield {rC+}
rPois  +         Gourm    +     O - +0 hat
rElec  .         Spirit   .     U - +1 cloak "Nuttemne" {Regen+}
rCorr  .         Warding  .     (gloves unavailable)
rMut   .         Stasis   .     (boots unavailable)
MR     +....                    (no amulet)
Stlth  +.........               x - ring of poison resistance
                                w - +3 ring of slaying

@: somewhat resistant to hostile enchantments, very unstealthy
A: unfitting armour, claws 3, cold resistance 1, fast metabolism 3, gourmand,
regeneration 2, shaggy fur 1, tough skin 2
a: Heroism, Finesse, Renounce Religion


You are on level 4 of the Spider Nest.
You worship Okawaru.
Okawaru is exalted by your worship.
You are not hungry.

You have visited 6 branches of the dungeon, and seen 33 of its levels.

You have collected 3186 gold pieces.
You have spent 1710 gold pieces at shops.

Inventory:

Hand Weapons
 S - a blowgun
Missiles
 c - 39 tomahawks
 d - 4 silver tomahawks
 f - 5 steel javelins
 m - 27 curare-tipped needles
 s - 6 javelins of returning
 D - 7 poisoned javelins
 E - 5 steel tomahawks
 H - 4 needles of frenzy
 I - 52 poisoned needles
 Q - 20 large rocks (quivered)
Armour
 a - a +0 shield of cold resistance (worn)
 t - the +3 swamp dragon armour of the Peasants (worn) {rPois Str+2 Dex+3}
   (Okawaru gifted it to you on level 13 of the Dungeon)   
   
   It affects your strength (+2).
   It affects your dexterity (+3).
   It protects you from poison.
 L - the +5 robe of vines {DeviceHeal--- Regen++++++}
   (Okawaru gifted it to you on level 7 of the Lair of Beasts)   
   
   It increases your rate of regeneration.
 O - a +0 hat (worn)
 U - the +1 cloak "Nuttemne" (worn) {Regen+}
   (You found it on level 14 of the Dungeon)   
   
   It increases your rate of regeneration.
Rods
 k - a +0 iron rod (7/14)
   (You found it on level 1 of the Lair of Beasts)
 M - a +2 rod of the swarm (10/16)
   (You bought it in a shop on level 4 of the Orcish Mines)
Jewellery
 b - an uncursed ring of protection from cold
 w - a +3 ring of slaying (left claw)
 x - a ring of poison resistance (right claw)
 C - the ring of Hekebb {rElec MP+9 Str+3}
   (You found it on level 4 of the Lair of Beasts)   
   
   [ring of magical power]
   
   It affects your strength (+3).
   It insulates you from electricity.
   It affects your magic capacity (+9).
 F - an uncursed amulet of warding
 T - an uncursed amulet of stasis
 W - an uncursed ring of protection from magic
 Y - an uncursed amulet of rage
 Z - the ring of a Thousand Eyes {+Fly SInv Stlth+}
   (You found it on level 13 of the Dungeon)   
   
   [ring of stealth]
   
   It lets you see invisible.
   It lets you fly.
   It makes you more stealthy.
Wands
 g - a wand of fireball
 P - a wand of lightning {zapped: 2}
 V - a wand of hasting
Scrolls
 j - 2 scrolls of recharging
 l - 13 scrolls of teleportation
 r - 8 scrolls of remove curse
 u - 3 scrolls of enchant weapon
 B - 6 scrolls of fog
 G - 18 scrolls of identify
 J - 3 scrolls of fear
 K - 2 scrolls of magic mapping
 N - 2 scrolls of blinking
 X - a scroll of holy word
Potions
 h - 4 potions of agility
 i - a potion of resistance
 n - 3 potions of invisibility
 p - 13 potions of curing
 q - a potion of might
 y - 3 potions of heal wounds
 R - a potion of haste
Comestibles
 e - 12 bread rations
 o - 13 meat rations
 v - 7 beef jerkies
 z - 21 fruits


   Skills:
 + Level 11,5 Fighting
 - Level 9,0 Throwing
 - Level 1,4 Armour
 + Level 9,4 Dodging
 - Level 0,4 Stealth
 - Level 10,2 Shields
 * Level 17,3 Unarmed Combat
 - Level 7,0 Invocations
 - Level 6,5 Evocations


You have 15 spell levels left.
You don't know any spells.

Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations

Branches:
Dungeon (15/15)            Temple (1/1) D:5            Lair (8/8) D:9
 Shoals (0/4) Lair:5       Spider (4/4) Lair:6        Slime (0/6) Lair:6
    Orc (4/4) D:10            Elf (1/3) Orc:4        Vaults (0/5) D:14
 Depths (0/5) D:15       

Altars:
Ashenzari
Dithmenos
Elyvilon
Fedhas
Gozag
Kikubaaqudgha
Makhleb
Nemelex Xobeh
Okawaru
Qazlal
Ru
Sif Muna
Trog
Xom
Yredelemnul
Zin
The Shining One
Beogh
Jiyva

Shops:
Orc:4 }((*(   Elf:1 :

Portals:
Trove: D:12 (give 4 scrolls of blinking)

Annotations:
D:4 Blork the orc; Grwl's ghost, amateur TrMo


Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations

You are too large for most types of armour.
You have claws for hands.
Your metabolism is lightning-fast.
You like to eat raw meat.
You heal very quickly.
You are covered in fur (AC +1).
You have very tough skin (AC +2).
Your flesh is cold resistant.


Message History

Throwing (i - inventory. (,) - cycle): Q - 14 large rocks (quivered)
Press: ? - help, Shift-Dir - straight line, f/p - orb spider
Aim: an orb spider (severely wounded, clinging)
You throw a large rock. The large rock hits the orb spider!!
You kill the orb spider!
Okawaru accepts your kill.
You block the orb of destruction. The orb of destruction dissipates.
Q - 16 large rocks (gained 3)
You see here a trapdoor spider corpse.
Q - 17 large rocks (gained 1)
Q - 18 large rocks (gained 1)
Q - 20 large rocks (gained 2)
You start resting.
HP restored.
Saving game... please wait.
Welcome back, Grwl the Troll Hunter.
Okawaru says: Bring me glory in combat!
Press ? for a list of commands and other information.
Char dumped to 'morgue/Grwl.txt'.
Saving game... please wait.

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There are no monsters in sight!

Vanquished Creatures
  Agnes (Spider:4)
  Snorg (D:14)
  8 vault guards (D:14)
  A yaktaur captain (D:15)
  Josephine (Lair:8)
  2 hydras
  3 entropy weavers
  7 centaur warriors
  An orc high priest (Orc:4)
  4 death yaks
  Sonja (Lair:4)
  3 skeletal warriors (D:14)
  An unseen horror (D:13)
  A fire crab (Lair:7)
  A lindwurm (Lair:3)
  10 hill giants
  4 manticores
  17 wolf spiders
  3 griffons
  The ghost of W the Slinger, a novice SpHu of Okawaru (D:8)
  An orc sorcerer (Orc:3)
  15 orb spiders
  4 orc knights
  A salamander (shapeshifter) (D:15)
  3 cyclopes
  2 moths of wrath
  25 elephants
  6 ugly things (D:14)
  A siren (Lair:5)
  Joseph (D:8)
  3 gargoyles
  3 torpor snails
  5 black mambas
  21 spiny frogs
  3 fire drakes
  A yaktaur (D:15)
  2 trolls
  A tengu conjurer (D:15)
  16 demonic crawlers
  An efreet (D:15)
  5 komodo dragons
  3 merfolk (Lair:5)
  A giant leech (Lair:8)
  33 jumping spiders
  Prince Ribbit (D:9)
  3 boulder beetles (Spider:2)
  A two-headed ogre (D:8)
  41 blink frogs
  A raiju (shapeshifter) (D:15)
  10 trapdoor spiders
  55 yaks
  21 redbacks
  3 wyverns
  A deep elf mage (D:15)
  3 deep elf fighters
  4 wraiths (Lair:7)
  Eustachio (D:6)
  2 hill giant zombies (D:10)
  15 tarantellas
  A steam dragon (D:12)
  11 wolves
  A shadow (D:14)
  A mottled dragon (D:15)
  9 vampire mosquitoes
  4 basilisks
  Menkaure (D:6)
  11 hippogriffs
  3 hungry ghosts (D:10)
  16 water moccasins
  47 orc warriors
  Duvessa (D:7)
  20 porcupines
  4 ice beasts
  5 sky beasts
  25 spiders
  2 black bears
  8 ogres
  2 eyes of draining
  25 centaurs
  2 necrophages
  A phantom (D:7)
  10 crocodiles
  29 giant frogs
  A big kobold (D:12)
  Dowan (D:7)
  A vampire bat (Lair:3)
  A scorpion (D:5)
  5 crimson imps
  A giant frog zombie (D:12)
  17 wights
  4 centaur zombies
  4 jellies
  5 electric eels (Lair:8)
  3 hounds
  17 orc priests
  A quasit (D:10)
  3 centaur skeletons
  7 worker ants
  2 hell rats (Lair:1)
  A giant frog skeleton (D:4)
  10 iguanas
  A killer bee zombie (D:11)
  30 orc wizards
  24 sheep
  4 ogre zombies (D:10)
  A hound skeleton (D:7)
  2 worker ant zombies
  Robin (D:2)
  A gnoll (D:1)
  85 river rats
  10 adders
  A shadow imp (D:5)
  An adder zombie (D:8)
  A worm (D:6)
  5 giant geckos
  126 orcs
  9 giant cockroaches
  9 hobgoblins
  5 quokkas
  5 ball pythons
  9 bats
  2 giant gecko skeletons
  A giant gecko zombie (D:7)
  3 giant newts
  15 goblins
  A goblin skeleton (D:10)
  4 hobgoblin zombies (D:10)
  11 kobolds
  5 orc skeletons (D:10)
  9 orc zombies
  2 quokka skeletons
  A quokka zombie (D:5)
  12 rats
  2 fungi (Lair:7)
1111 creatures vanquished.

Vanquished Creatures (collateral kills)
  4 orb spiders (Spider:3)
  2 wolf spiders
  3 redbacks
  A tarantella (Spider:3)
  4 spiders
  A wasp (Spider:4)
  A worker ant (D:9)
16 creatures vanquished.

Vanquished Creatures (others)
  A blink frog (Lair:7)
  11 fungi
  14 plants
26 creatures vanquished.

Grand Total: 1153 creatures vanquished

Notes
Turn   | Place    | Note
--------------------------------------------------------------
     0 | D:1      | Grwl the Troll Hunter began the quest for the Orb.
     0 | D:1      | Reached XP level 1. HP: 19/19 MP: 0/0
    32 | D:1      | Reached skill level 1 in Unarmed Combat
   142 | D:1      | Reached XP level 2. HP: 27/27 MP: 1/1
   367 | D:1      | Reached XP level 3. HP: 23/33 MP: 2/2
   892 | D:2      | Noticed an earth elemental
   893 | D:2      | Noticed a water elemental
   895 | D:2      | Found a stormy altar of Qazlal.
   898 | D:2      | Noticed an air elemental
   898 | D:2      | Noticed a fire elemental
  1137 | D:2      | Reached skill level 4 in Throwing
  1240 | D:2      | Noticed Robin
  1256 | D:2      | Killed Robin
  1256 | D:2      | Reached XP level 4. HP: 37/41 MP: 3/3
  1282 | D:2      | Found an ancient bone altar of Kikubaaqudgha.
  1288 | D:2      | Found a shimmering altar of Xom.
  1295 | D:2      | Found a shadowy altar of Dithmenos.
  1387 | D:3      | Found a basalt altar of Yredelemnul.
  1387 | D:3      | Found an opulent altar of Gozag.
  1387 | D:3      | Found a shattered altar of Ashenzari.
  1809 | D:3      | Found a glowing silver altar of Zin.
  1809 | D:3      | Found a glowing golden altar of the Shining One.
  1809 | D:3      | Found a white marble altar of Elyvilon.
  1823 | D:3      | Found a bloodstained altar of Trog.
  2615 | D:4      | Noticed Grwl's ghost (amateur TrMo)
  2617 | D:4      | Reached XP level 5. HP: 35/48 MP: 4/4
  2683 | D:4      | HP: 2/48 [Grwl's ghost (18)]
  3105 | D:4      | Noticed Blork the orc
  3107 | D:4      | Noticed a phantom
  3123 | D:4      | Noticed an ogre
  3168 | D:3      | Killed an ogre
  3168 | D:3      | Reached skill level 5 in Unarmed Combat
  3168 | D:3      | Reached XP level 6. HP: 6/55 MP: 5/5
  3759 | D:5      | Entered Level 5 of the Dungeon
  3798 | D:5      | Found a staircase to the Ecumenical Temple.
  3802 | Temple   | Entered the Ecumenical Temple
  3853 | Temple   | Became a worshipper of Warmaster Okawaru
  3905 | D:5      | Reached skill level 6 in Unarmed Combat
  3946 | D:5      | Reached XP level 7. HP: 59/62 MP: 6/6
  3990 | D:5      | Reached * piety under Okawaru
  3990 | D:5      | Reached skill level 7 in Unarmed Combat
  4039 | D:5      | You fall through a shaft for 2 floors!
  4232 | D:5      | Reached skill level 5 in Throwing
  4361 | D:5      | Found a glowing drain.
  4570 | D:5      | Reached skill level 8 in Unarmed Combat
  4719 | D:6      | Noticed Eustachio
  4726 | D:6      | Killed Eustachio
  4726 | D:6      | Reached XP level 8. HP: 70/70 MP: 7/7
  4912 | D:6      | Noticed Menkaure
  4914 | D:6      | Killed Menkaure
  5307 | D:7      | Found an ancient bone altar of Kikubaaqudgha.
  5398 | D:7      | Reached skill level 9 in Unarmed Combat
  5632 | D:7      | Reached ** piety under Okawaru
  5916 | D:7      | Noticed Duvessa
  5918 | D:7      | Noticed Dowan
  5921 | D:7      | Killed Duvessa
  5926 | D:7      | Killed Dowan
  6129 | D:8      | Noticed W's ghost (novice SpHu)
  6145 | D:8      | Killed W's ghost
  6145 | D:8      | Reached skill level 10 in Unarmed Combat
  6145 | D:8      | Reached XP level 9. HP: 67/80 MP: 8/8
  6153 | D:8      | Reached *** piety under Okawaru
  6651 | D:8      | Reached **** piety under Okawaru
  6730 | D:8      | Noticed Joseph
  6744 | D:8      | Killed Joseph
  6814 | D:8      | Found a sacrificial altar of Ru.
  7025 | D:9      | Noticed Prince Ribbit
  7030 | D:9      | Killed Prince Ribbit
  7030 | D:9      | Reached skill level 5 in Fighting
  7122 | D:9      | Found a stormy altar of Qazlal.
  7173 | D:9      | Reached XP level 10. HP: 96/96 MP: 9/9
  7477 | D:9      | Reached XP level 11. HP: 102/111 MP: 10/10
  7483 | D:9      | Found a deep blue altar of Sif Muna.
  7553 | D:9      | Found a staircase to the Lair.
  7574 | D:10     | Entered Level 10 of the Dungeon
  7693 | Lair:1   | Entered Level 1 of the Lair of Beasts
  7901 | Lair:1   | Reached ***** piety under Okawaru
  8021 | Lair:1   | Reached skill level 11 in Unarmed Combat
  8211 | Lair:1   | Received a gift from Okawaru
  8540 | Lair:1   | Found a shimmering altar of Xom.
  8631 | Lair:1   | Received a gift from Okawaru
  8918 | Lair:1   | Reached skill level 12 in Unarmed Combat
  9155 | Lair:1   | Received a gift from Okawaru
  9630 | Lair:1   | Reached ****** piety under Okawaru
  9630 | Lair:1   | Received a gift from Okawaru
  9742 | Lair:2   | Reached XP level 12. HP: 108/124 MP: 11/11
  9841 | Lair:2   | Noticed a seven-headed hydra
  9849 | Lair:2   | Killed a seven-headed hydra
  9849 | Lair:2   | Received a gift from Okawaru
  9849 | Lair:2   | Reached skill level 1 in Invocations
 10084 | Lair:1   | Received a gift from Okawaru
 11077 | Lair:3   | Received a gift from Okawaru
 11098 | Lair:3   | Got a faintly glowing longbow {god gift}
 11099 | Lair:3   | Identified the +7 longbow of Kuczij {venom, rF+ rN+} (Okawaru gifted it to you on level 3 of the Lair of Beasts)
 11196 | Lair:3   | Identified a scroll of acquirement
 11241 | Lair:3   | Reached skill level 13 in Unarmed Combat
 11393 | Lair:3   | Reached skill level 10 in Fighting
 11613 | Lair:3   | Reached skill level 1 in Armour
 12238 | Lair:4   | Noticed a four-headed hydra
 12256 | Lair:3   | Killed a four-headed hydra
 12256 | Lair:3   | Received a gift from Okawaru
 12886 | Lair:4   | Reached XP level 13. HP: 133/133 MP: 14/14
 12940 | Lair:3   | HP: 3/133 [wolf (7)]
 13321 | Lair:4   | Noticed Sonja
 13323 | Lair:4   | Killed Sonja
 13325 | Lair:4   | Got a glittering glass ring
 14155 | Lair:5   | Received a gift from Okawaru
 14156 | Lair:5   | Got a dull robe {god gift}
 14167 | Lair:5   | Identified the +0 robe of the Blind Marksman {*Drain rElec Str+4} (Okawaru gifted it to you on level 5 of the Lair of Beasts)
 14274 | Lair:5   | Reached skill level 14 in Unarmed Combat
 14476 | Lair:5   | Found a staircase to the Shoals.
 15611 | Lair:6   | Found a viscous altar of Jiyva.
 15611 | Lair:6   | Found a staircase to the Slime Pits.
 15828 | Lair:6   | Found a hole to the Spider Nest.
 16180 | Lair:7   | Reached skill level 5 in Invocations
 16628 | Lair:7   | Received a gift from Okawaru
 16643 | Lair:7   | Identified the ring of Hekebb {rElec MP+9 Str+3} (You found it on level 4 of the Lair of Beasts)
 17267 | Lair:7   | Received a gift from Okawaru
 17435 | Lair:8   | Entered Level 8 of the Lair of Beasts
 17435 | Lair:8   | Noticed Josephine
 17457 | Lair:7   | Reached skill level 15 in Unarmed Combat
 17488 | Lair:8   | Killed Josephine
 17488 | Lair:8   | Reached XP level 14. HP: 139/144 MP: 17/17
 17812 | Lair:8   | HP: 3/146 [fire crab (12)]
 18996 | Lair:6   | Received a gift from Okawaru
 19406 | D:11     | Reached skill level 1 in Shields
 20000 | D:12     | Found a portal to a secret trove of treasure.
 20894 | D:10     | Reached skill level 5 in Shields
 20930 | D:10     | Found a staircase to the Orcish Mines.
 21348 | Orc:1    | Entered Level 1 of the Orcish Mines
 22730 | Orc:3    | Found a runed door.
 22847 | Orc:3    | Found a roughly hewn altar of Beogh.
 23135 | Orc:4    | Entered Level 4 of the Orcish Mines
 23137 | Orc:4    | Found a staircase to the Elven Halls.
 23247 | Orc:3    | Reached XP level 15. HP: 63/154 MP: 19/19
 23509 | Orc:4    | Found Loijiheg's Antique Weapon Shop.
 23509 | Orc:4    | Found Jitaza Udug's Weapon Emporium.
 23514 | Orc:4    | Found Lefysmaiju's Gadget Shoppe.
 23655 | Orc:4    | Found Teemagi's Weapon Shoppe.
 23736 | Orc:4    | Found Heazoczu's General Store.
 23785 | Elf:1    | Entered Level 1 of the Elven Halls
 23806 | Elf:1    | Found Zah Akhe's Book Shoppe.
 24003 | Orc:4    | Found a roughly hewn altar of Beogh.
 24537 | D:13     | Received a gift from Okawaru
 24553 | D:13     | Got a translucent swamp dragon armour {god gift}
 24564 | D:13     | Identified the +3 swamp dragon armour of the Peasants {rPois Str+2 Dex+3} (Okawaru gifted it to you on level 13 of the Dungeon)
 24838 | D:13     | Got a bound glass ring
 24847 | D:13     | Identified the ring of a Thousand Eyes {+Fly SInv Stlth+} (You found it on level 13 of the Dungeon)
 25402 | D:14     | Found a shattered altar of Ashenzari.
 25478 | D:14     | Noticed Snorg
 25484 | D:14     | Killed Snorg
 25486 | D:14     | Found a shimmering altar of Xom.
 25837 | D:14     | Found a gate to the Vaults.
 26620 | D:14     | Reached skill level 10 in Shields
 26749 | D:14     | Got an encrusted cloak
 26760 | D:14     | Identified the +1 cloak "Nuttemne" {Regen+} (You found it on level 14 of the Dungeon)
 26841 | D:14     | Found an iron altar of Okawaru.
 26974 | D:15     | Entered Level 15 of the Dungeon
 27208 | D:15     | Received a gift from Okawaru
 27518 | D:15     | Reached skill level 16 in Unarmed Combat
 27524 | D:15     | Found a staircase to the Depths.
 28174 | Spider:1 | Entered Level 1 of the Spider Nest
 28554 | Orc:4    | Bought a +0 rod of the swarm (14/14) for 1710 gold pieces
 28936 | Spider:1 | Reached skill level 1 in Evocations
 28988 | Spider:1 | Reached XP level 16. HP: 143/163 MP: 20/20
 29602 | Spider:1 | Received a gift from Okawaru
 31204 | Spider:3 | Received a gift from Okawaru
 31368 | Spider:3 | Reached skill level 5 in Evocations
 31861 | Spider:3 | Reached skill level 17 in Unarmed Combat
 31865 | Spider:3 | Received a gift from Okawaru
 32296 | Spider:4 | Entered Level 4 of the Spider Nest
 32296 | Spider:4 | Noticed Agnes
 32307 | Spider:4 | Killed Agnes
 32414 | Spider:4 | Gained mutation: Your flesh is cold resistant. [potion of beneficial mutation]


Action                   |  1- 3 |  4- 6 |  7- 9 | 10-12 | 13-15 | 16-18 || total
-------------------------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------++-------
Melee: Unarmed           |   110 |   156 |   236 |   641 |  1951 |   558 ||  3652
Throw: Large rock        |       |     8 |    16 |    15 |    57 |    17 ||   113
       Throwing net      |       |       |     1 |       |       |       ||     1
       Stone             |       |       |       |     4 |       |       ||     4
       Javelin           |       |       |       |    10 |    11 |    20 ||    41
       Tomahawk          |       |       |       |     2 |    22 |       ||    24
Invok: Heroism           |       |       |       |       |     1 |       ||     1
Evoke: Wand              |       |       |       |       |     1 |       ||     1
       Rod               |       |       |       |       |     2 |    13 ||    15
  Use: Scroll            |       |     7 |     4 |     6 |    11 |     2 ||    30
       Potion            |       |     1 |       |    10 |     1 |     1 ||    13
 Stab: Sleeping          |     1 |     2 |     1 |     2 |     6 |       ||    12
       Distracted        |       |     1 |       |       |     3 |       ||     4
       Held in net/web   |       |       |     1 |       |       |       ||     1
       Paralysed         |       |       |       |       |       |     3 ||     3
  Eat: Chunk             |    17 |    17 |    33 |    56 |   139 |    28 ||   290
       Pizza             |       |       |       |       |     2 |       ||     2
       Royal jelly       |       |       |       |       |     2 |     1 ||     3
       Fruit             |       |       |       |       |       |     3 ||     3
       Meat ration       |       |       |       |       |       |     2 ||     2

Won: SpHu Slinger of Okawaru (3 runes) - DsGl Unarmed of Makhleb (3 runes) - TrFi Unarmed of Nem (3 runes) - GnFE of Ash (3 runes) - DsGl Unarmed (with Statue and Shatter) of Chei (15 runes!!!).
Demonspawn rocks. Unarmed also.
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Post Sunday, 8th November 2015, 13:29

Re: CiP: TrHu^Oka, what progression?

1) I would definitely get the rod of Clouds and train some more Evo.
2) Oka will gift you rocks. Just use tomahawks and javelins for easier stuff and save the rocks for the more dangerous monsters. Throwing is great.
3) I don't know. I have the same question with my current TrMo of Makhleb.
4) For Elf and Slime alone, just stay with Oka. If you want to do Tomb like you said, Kiku or TSO could work.
5) RMSL is always useful, and if you do extended you will have enough exp to train some spell skills. Personally I would wait before going for spells, though. Just for 3 runes I probably wouldn't even bother.
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{PaBeDjFi}OgAKPaCAGnCjOgCKMfAEAtCKSpCjDEEE{HOSu
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Post Sunday, 8th November 2015, 14:18

Re: CiP: TrHu^Oka, what progression?

Ok, thank you! Fast and precise :P
Won: SpHu Slinger of Okawaru (3 runes) - DsGl Unarmed of Makhleb (3 runes) - TrFi Unarmed of Nem (3 runes) - GnFE of Ash (3 runes) - DsGl Unarmed (with Statue and Shatter) of Chei (15 runes!!!).
Demonspawn rocks. Unarmed also.
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Post Sunday, 8th November 2015, 17:00

Re: CiP: TrHu^Oka, what progression?

I really don't think that swapping for swamp dragon armor mitigates hunger issues; some other thread determined that simply waiting costs more food always, and IIRC the increased metabolism from Regen+ articles is cancelled when you're at full health.

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Post Monday, 9th November 2015, 16:15

Re: CiP: TrHu^Oka, what progression?

If you are going to use shields, the paltry skill investment to go from regular to large for a troll is nearly always worth it at some point (unless you have a particularly nice shield and don't have access to a nice large shield) It is a fair sized bump in defense. I typically do so after my first rune sometimes after my second, depending.

I would train more fighting and dodging rather than more uc at this point, my trolls tend to have fighting near equal to uc, the hps help make up for crappier armour (unless I have nice armour already, then I train armour :). Particularly with oka, heroism gives you a huge offense boost, but it doesn't increase your hps.

++ on using tomahawks and javelins (or even regular stones if you start to run dry, although regular stones do suck) for less threatening stuff. I typically estimate that regular stones are about 30% of a large rock, tomahawks are about 70% and javelins are 80%, just based on the "feel" of it.

If you are struggling with groups I suspect you are either not softening them up enough with ranged attacks, you aren't firing off heroism enough, or you aren't fighting mostly in choke points in cleared areas.

Rod of clouds is my personal favorite rod once you get over about 15 evo, below 7 it isn't very impressive. is also a great crowd softener.

Rods do give you access to some facets you wouldn't otherwise have, between those and elemental evokers, some evocation is nearly always a good idea (obviously depending on what you find)
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