YASD HaHu^Fedh 0.16

Saturday, 24th October 2015, 03:07 by MainiacJoe

I have a HaHu^Fedh who has just finished Orc:4 and with 64 tomahawks is going to transition from slings to throwing. In addition to the tomahawks I have more nets than I've ever seen in my life (an Ossurary lousy with net traps) and a blowgun and some curare and confusion needles.

I found a bookshop with five starting books in it: IE, VM, AM, FE and Ne. There are also Earth, Transloc, Hexes and Poison higher level books, and Annihilations, and I have the starting books for Wr and Cj and another high-level Hexes in my stash. Another shop on O:4 has a ring {Wiz Int+6} FWIW. There are tons of good spells in there, but I'm wary of spreading myself too thin XP-wise, since I've gathered here that with tomahawks I need to take Throwing to 27 and that's non-trivial even at +3 and with the Slings cross-training. Hexes (0.16 so I still have Enslave, all the way to Discord), Poison (Meph and Cloud and Arrow) and Tlocs (all the low and mid level ones) seem to be the schools that are best represented in what I've found.

Another option is to go into stabbing with only a few utility spells instead of taking a spell school to mid levels, since I already have a great dagger and a ton of nets and I'll have the tomahawks for damage output when stabs fail.

Code:: Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.16.2 (tiles) character file. MainiacJoe the Nimble (Halfling Hunter) Turns: 34782, Time: 03:49:45 Health: 103/103 AC: 12 Str: 18 XL: 15 Next: 26% Magic: 19/19 EV: 31 Int: 10 God: Fedhas [******] Gold: 2070 SH: 8 Dex: 22 Spells: 0 memorised, 14 levels left rFire . . . SeeInvis . b - +1 dagger (elec) rCold + . . Clarity . i - +2 robe {MR+} rNeg . . . SustAb . F - +0 buckler rPois + Gourm . U - +1 helmet rElec + Spirit . u - +0 cloak of the Armoured One {rElec rPois rC+ MP-9 Str+2} rCorr . Warding . s - +2 pair of gloves rMut . Stasis . I - +0 pair of boots MR +++.. P - amulet of regeneration Stlth +++++..... n - +4 ring of strength r - ring of protection from magic @: extremely resistant to hostile enchantments, quite stealthy A: mutation resistance 1 a: Evolution, Sunlight, Growth, Reproduction, Rain, Renounce Religion You are on level 4 of the Orcish Mines. You worship Fedhas. Fedhas is exalted by your worship. You are near starving. You have visited 3 branches of the dungeon, and seen 24 of its levels. You have also visited: Sewer and Ossuary. You have collected 2470 gold pieces. You have spent 400 gold pieces at shops. Inventory: Hand weapons a - a +4 hunting sling b - a +1 dagger of electrocution (weapon) e - a +0 blowgun g - a +0 scimitar of holy wrath v - a +1 scimitar of flaming Missiles c - 28 sling bullets j - 20 stones m - 8 sling bullets of frost q - 5 poisoned tomahawks K - 11 throwing nets R - 10 poisoned sling bullets T - 64 tomahawks (quivered) Armour i - a +2 robe of magic resistance (worn) s - a +2 pair of gloves (worn) u - the +0 cloak of the Armoured One (worn) {rElec rPois rC+ MP-9 Str+2} (You found it on level 6 of the Dungeon) It affects your strength (+2). It protects you from cold. It insulates you from electricity. It protects you from poison. It affects your magic capacity (-9). F - a +0 buckler (worn) I - a +0 pair of boots (worn) U - a +1 helmet (worn) W - a +2 leather armour of fire resistance Jewellery l - an uncursed ring of teleportation n - a +4 ring of strength (right hand) r - a ring of protection from magic (left hand) P - an amulet of regeneration (around neck) X - an uncursed ring of stealth Z - an uncursed ring of positive energy Magical devices d - a wand of lightning {zapped: 6} t - a wand of teleportation (6) y - a wand of fire (2) z - a wand of hasting (6) O - a wand of lightning (5) Scrolls p - 2 scrolls of fear x - 5 scrolls of teleportation H - 4 scrolls of fog J - a scroll of blinking M - 6 scrolls of remove curse S - 2 scrolls of holy word V - a scroll of identify Potions h - 3 potions of resistance k - 4 potions of might w - 3 potions of heal wounds A - 5 potions of haste B - 3 potions of agility C - 5 potions of curing D - a potion of invisibility Y - 2 potions of berserk rage Comestibles f - 8 bread rations o - 19 fruits {!e} Skills: + Level 9.8 Fighting - Level 12.1(12.3) Short Blades - Level 2.8(6.7) Long Blades - Level 12.0(12.5) Slings * Level 5.8(9.2) Throwing - Level 6.4 Armour + Level 14.9 Dodging + Level 7.3 Stealth - Level 6.7 Shields - Level 10.0 Invocations You have 14 spell levels left. You don't know any spells. Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations Branches: Dungeon (12/15) Temple (0/1) D:5 Lair (8/8) D:9 Shoals (0/5) Lair:4 Spider (0/5) Lair:3 Slime (0/6) Lair:8 Orc (4/4) D:10 Elf (0/3) Orc:4 Altars: Cheibriados Fedhas Gozag Makhleb Nemelex Xobeh Okawaru Ru Sif Muna Trog Xom Yredelemnul Beogh Shops: Orc:4 (=*: Annotations: Lair:4 1 exclusion Lair:5 exclusion: downstairs Orc:3 Nessos Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations You are small and have problems with some larger weapons. You are somewhat resistant to further mutation. Message History The orc wizard is almost dead. You hit the orc. There is a sudden explosion of sparks! You kill the orc! The orc wizard completely misses you. You block the orc wizard's attack. You see here a dagger. You hit the orc wizard. You kill the orc wizard! A nearby toadstool withers and dies. Things that are here: a dagger; a runed robe; an orc corpse A nearby toadstool withers and dies. You see here a wand of confusion. You swap places. You now have 2070 gold pieces (gained 16). You see here a ring mail. Items here: ))) [[[ ÷ There is an open door here. There is an entrance to Smiugiah's Book Emporium here. Saving game... please wait. .###.###..######............. .# #.# #[[#...n#..).......... .###.###..#....#............. ......[[..#....#............. ...[..[..[##'###............. ..8...8).[[....f............. ....[.....##'###............. .###'###[.#....#............. .#.....#.f#...f#............. .#.....#..#..ff#......)...... .#.._..#..#...@#.......)..... .#######..######............. .........[................... .........[...)...÷[.......... ############.)....[#....#.... ##.)).........#..[ #.........#......) #................. ##...#.......#.).. #...##............ You can see 3 friendly wandering mushrooms. Vanquished Creatures An orc warlord (Orc:4) Fannar (Lair:8) 4 hydras Erica (D:11) A catoblepas (Lair:8) Sonja (Orc:4) A deep troll shaman (Lair:8) 11 death yaks An unseen horror (D:11) 7 orc knights 2 griffons (Lair:7) A cyclops (D:10) An orc sorcerer (Orc:4) 6 elephants (Lair:8) An orb spider (Lair:3) A centaur skeleton (D:9) 4 black mambas 3 spiny frogs 5 komodo dragons 4 fire drakes 2 blink frogs (Lair:6) 2 basilisks 13 yaks A deep elf mage (D:10) 10 wolves 5 hippogriffs 2 wargs (Orc:4) 11 water moccasins 13 porcupines 4 sky beasts (D:8) A necrophage (D:10) 4 ice beasts 2 black bears 27 orc warriors 7 ogres 4 centaurs 9 sheep 5 crocodiles 12 giant frogs 4 big kobolds Blork the orc (D:6) 4 scorpions 2 killer bees (D:7) 4 electric eels 8 hounds 3 crimson imps 2 goliath beetles (D:6) 15 orc priests A gnoll shaman (D:10) 3 jellies 3 centaur zombies 3 giant frog skeletons 20 orc wizards 6 iguanas 2 hell rats (Lair:3) 6 worker ants 2 big kobold zombies (Ossuary) 5 mummies A hound skeleton (D:8) 31 river rats 7 gnolls 20 adders 3 giant mites A shadow imp (D:10) 2 worms (D:3) An adder skeleton (D:10) An adder zombie (D:3) 5 giant geckos 3 oozes (Sewer) 155 orcs 2 bat skeletons 6 giant cockroaches 11 hobgoblins 12 jackals 7 ball pythons 12 bats 3 giant newts 21 goblins 21 kobolds 9 quokkas 25 rats 644 creatures vanquished. Vanquished Creatures (collateral kills) Snorg (Lair:6) 4 hydras 3 death yaks 2 orc knights 2 wandering mushrooms A two-headed ogre (Orc:3) 2 griffons 3 black mambas 5 elephants A gargoyle (D:10) 10 spiny frogs 16 orc warriors A troll (Orc:1) A blink frog (Lair:6) Grinder (D:5) A wraith (D:10) 14 yaks A wyvern (D:9) 4 wolves 2 hippogriffs A warg (Orc:4) 2 porcupines (Lair:7) A water moccasin (Lair:3) 2 ice beasts A sky beast (D:9) A black bear (D:7) 2 phantoms 2 centaurs (Lair:4) 4 ogres 2 big kobolds (D:10) A boring beetle (Lair:6) 4 crocodiles A gnoll sergeant (D:9) A scorpion (D:6) 5 giant frogs 7 killer bees An electric eel (Lair:6) A goliath beetle (D:7) 3 crimson imps 6 orc priests A jelly (D:10) 5 orc wizards A centaur zombie (D:5) 4 hounds 4 hell rats (Lair:3) 3 worker ants 5 iguanas 8 sheep A mummy (D:5) 3 adders 12 river rats 5 gnolls 3 shadow imps An adder skeleton (D:9) 2 giant geckos An ooze (D:6) 65 orcs A giant cockroach (D:7) A hobgoblin (Orc:3) 2 jackals A kobold (D:6) 5 quokkas A giant gecko skeleton (D:8) 3 goblins A toadstool (Lair:2) 262 creatures vanquished. Vanquished Creatures (others) 3 oklob plants A hyperactive ballistomycete (D:4) A centaur (D:9) 5 sheep (Lair:2) 5 river rats (Lair:8) A quokka (Lair:6) A giant cockroach (D:4) 2 giant spores 44 wandering mushrooms 11 fungi 19 plants 752 toadstools 845 creatures vanquished. Grand Total: 1751 creatures vanquished Notes Turn | Place | Note -------------------------------------------------------------- 0 | D:1 | MainiacJoe, the Halfling Hunter, began the quest for the Orb. 0 | D:1 | Reached XP level 1. HP: 14/14 MP: 1/1 124 | D:1 | Reached skill level 6 in Slings 381 | D:1 | Reached XP level 2. HP: 17/19 MP: 2/2 876 | D:1 | Reached XP level 3. HP: 10/24 MP: 3/3 1370 | D:2 | Found a snail-covered altar of Cheibriados. 1509 | D:2 | Reached skill level 7 in Slings 1724 | D:2 | Reached XP level 4. HP: 18/29 MP: 4/4 2250 | D:3 | Found an opulent altar of Gozag. 2520 | D:3 | Reached XP level 5. HP: 28/35 MP: 5/5 2531 | D:3 | Found a glowing drain. 2538 | Sewer | Entered a sewer 2706 | Sewer | Reached skill level 8 in Slings 2722 | Sewer | Reached XP level 6. HP: 22/42 MP: 6/6 2931 | Sewer | Reached skill level 9 in Slings 3138 | D:3 | Found a blossoming altar of Fedhas. 3501 | D:3 | Became a worshipper of Fedhas Madash 3572 | D:4 | Reached XP level 7. HP: 46/46 MP: 7/7 3782 | D:4 | Reached skill level 1 in Invocations 4079 | D:4 | Acquired Fedhas' first power 4097 | D:4 | Reached skill level 10 in Slings 4602 | D:5 | Entered Level 5 of the Dungeon 4650 | D:5 | Killed Grinder 4650 | D:5 | Reached XP level 8. HP: 52/54 MP: 8/10 4713 | D:5 | Found a sparkling altar of Nemelex Xobeh. 4716 | D:5 | Found an iron altar of Okawaru. 4950 | D:5 | Found a sand-covered staircase. 4969 | Ossuary | Entered an ossuary 5231 | Ossuary | Reached skill level 5 in Dodging 5471 | D:5 | Found a staircase to the Ecumenical Temple. 5543 | D:5 | Found a sacrificial altar of Ru. 5613 | D:5 | Reached skill level 11 in Slings 5927 | D:6 | Found a burning altar of Makhleb. 5992 | D:6 | Noticed Blork the orc 6006 | D:6 | Killed Blork the orc 6219 | D:6 | Reached XP level 9. HP: 38/59 MP: 14/14 6370 | D:6 | Reached skill level 12 in Slings 6485 | D:6 | Reached skill level 1 in Short Blades 6603 | D:6 | Reached skill level 5 in Fighting 6716 | D:6 | Found a sparkling altar of Nemelex Xobeh. 7493 | D:7 | Reached skill level 5 in Invocations 7983 | D:7 | Reached XP level 10. HP: 68/68 MP: 18/18 7984 | D:7 | Acquired Fedhas' second power 7988 | D:7 | Reached skill level 5 in Short Blades 9632 | D:9 | Found a staircase to the Lair. 9688 | D:9 | Found a basalt altar of Yredelemnul. 9694 | D:9 | Found a bloodstained altar of Trog. 9695 | D:9 | Found a deep blue altar of Sif Muna. 9701 | D:9 | Found a sacrificial altar of Ru. 10768 | Lair:1 | Entered Level 1 of the Lair of Beasts 10776 | Lair:1 | Acquired Fedhas' third power 11861 | Lair:2 | Reached XP level 11. HP: 61/72 MP: 22/22 11925 | Lair:2 | Noticed a spiny frog 11952 | Lair:2 | Killed a spiny frog 12429 | Lair:2 | Noticed a griffon 12448 | Lair:2 | Killed a griffon 13014 | Lair:2 | Found a shimmering altar of Xom. 13239 | Lair:2 | Acquired Fedhas' fourth power 13853 | Lair:3 | Found a hole to the Spider Nest. 13853 | Lair:3 | Noticed an orb spider 13861 | Lair:3 | Killed an orb spider 14025 | Lair:3 | Reached skill level 10 in Short Blades 14771 | Lair:3 | Reached skill level 10 in Dodging 15370 | Lair:4 | Found a staircase to the Shoals. 16345 | Lair:5 | Noticed a seven-headed hydra 16352 | Lair:5 | Killed a seven-headed hydra 16352 | Lair:5 | Reached XP level 12. HP: 68/79 MP: 25/25 17761 | Lair:6 | Noticed a death yak 17761 | Lair:6 | Noticed a death yak 17761 | Lair:6 | Noticed a death yak 17761 | Lair:6 | Noticed a death yak 17761 | Lair:6 | Noticed a death yak 17761 | Lair:6 | Noticed a death yak 18528 | Lair:6 | Noticed Snorg 18666 | Lair:6 | Killed Snorg 19005 | Lair:6 | Reached skill level 1 in Shields 19365 | Lair:5 | Noticed a four-headed hydra 19371 | Lair:5 | Killed a four-headed hydra 19371 | Lair:5 | Reached skill level 10 in Invocations 19460 | Lair:7 | Reached skill level 1 in Armour 19630 | Lair:7 | Noticed an eight-headed hydra 19932 | Lair:7 | Reached XP level 13. HP: 86/86 MP: 27/27 21347 | Lair:7 | Killed an eight-headed hydra 21512 | Lair:8 | Entered Level 8 of the Lair of Beasts 21553 | Lair:8 | Noticed Fannar 21576 | Lair:8 | Killed Fannar 21846 | Lair:8 | Identified a scroll of acquirement 22181 | Lair:8 | Reached skill level 5 in Shields 22210 | Lair:8 | Reached skill level 13 in Dodging 22447 | Lair:8 | Found a staircase to the Slime Pits. 22653 | Lair:8 | Acquired Fedhas' fifth power 22695 | Lair:8 | Reached skill level 5 in Armour 23636 | Lair:8 | Reached XP level 14. HP: 95/95 MP: 27/27 24820 | Lair:8 | Reached skill level 14 in Dodging 25689 | Lair:6 | Noticed a five-headed hydra 25704 | Lair:5 | Killed a five-headed hydra 26877 | D:10 | Entered Level 10 of the Dungeon 27044 | D:10 | Reached skill level 5 in Stealth 27634 | D:10 | Found a staircase to the Orcish Mines. 28355 | Orc:1 | Entered Level 1 of the Orcish Mines 28472 | Orc:1 | Reached skill level 1 in Long Blades 30766 | Orc:3 | Noticed Nessos 31094 | Orc:4 | Entered Level 4 of the Orcish Mines 31179 | Orc:4 | Found a staircase to the Elven Halls. 31795 | Orc:4 | Noticed Sonja 31829 | Orc:4 | Killed Sonja 32418 | Orc:4 | Reached skill level 1 in Throwing 32561 | Orc:4 | Noticed an orc warlord 32596 | Orc:4 | Killed an orc warlord 32882 | Orc:4 | Reached XP level 15. HP: 102/102 MP: 28/28 33029 | Orc:4 | Found a roughly hewn altar of Beogh. 33052 | Orc:4 | Found Fygoxtae's Assorted Antiques. 33052 | Orc:4 | Found Smiugiah's Book Emporium. 33376 | Orc:4 | Found Pnausoth's Weapon Boutique. 33376 | Orc:4 | Found Fakos' Jewellery Emporium. 33707 | Orc:4 | Bought an uncursed ring of protection from magic for 300 gold pieces 33761 | Orc:4 | Bought a wooden wand for 100 gold pieces 33912 | D:10 | You fall through a shaft for 2 floors! 33927 | D:11 | Reached skill level 5 in Throwing 34038 | D:11 | Noticed Erica 34047 | D:11 | Killed Erica 34392 | D:6 | Got a scorched cloak 34413 | D:6 | Identified the +0 cloak of the Armoured One {rElec rPois rC+ MP-9 Str+2} (You found it on level 6 of the Dungeon) Action | 1- 3 | 4- 6 | 7- 9 | 10-12 | 13-15 || total -------------------------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------++------- Melee: Short sword | 114 | 15 | 70 | 252 | 21 || 472 Spear | | 4 | | 32 | || 36 Whip | | | | | 220 || 220 Rapier | | | | | 124 || 124 Dagger | | | | | 376 || 376 Long sword | | | | | 5 || 5 Scimitar | | | | | 1 || 1 Fire: Hunting sling | 42 | 188 | 439 | 897 | 1467 || 3033 Throw: Tomahawk | | | | | 80 || 80 Stone | | | | | 1 || 1 Throwing net | | | | | 4 || 4 Invok: Evolution | | | 10 | 19 | 26 || 55 Evoke: Wand | | | | 4 | 4 || 8 Use: Scroll | | 5 | 14 | 22 | 12 || 53 Potion | | | | 1 | 7 || 8 Stab: Sleeping | | | | 10 | 8 || 18 Distracted | | | | 1 | || 1 Confused | | | | | 5 || 5 Held in net/web | | | | | 5 || 5 Eat: Chunk | 1 | 6 | | 14 | 22 || 43 Meat ration | | | 2 | 4 | 2 || 8 Bread ration | | | 1 | | 3 || 4 Pizza | | | | | 2 || 2

Saturday, 24th October 2015, 12:24 by celem

I'd be tempted to pick up an offensive conjuration rather than rely purely on the stab and thrown. When playing Halflings I ran much the same style as you, slings and shortblades, transferring into thrown as the game progressed (below about 10 skill slings are superior, above about 10 thrown becomes stronger). On my Halfling winner however I left thrown sitting around ten levels and chased down conjurations.

http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/celem/morgue-celem-20150506-152116.txt is for reference. I started picking up conjurations and earth magic right about where you are at now and learned stonearrow/iron shot alongside bolt of magma. If you go this path then you will want that wiz/int ring.
Note this guy used longblade rather than short, I flipped back and forth a bit when playing Ha, but this decision was mainly prompted by d1-5, I find it much easier to get out of the earlygame with lblade than s.

Im pretty sure my sblade-stabber/thrower Ha got OoF'd on Z5 despite silver thawks, which is why I did the subsequent run with Conjurations. Thrown is fully viable, especially so with a bit of silver available, but the inability to throw a javelin really does hurt.

Its rather frowned upon to build a character with OoFs in-mind. But if you cant come up with a way to kill them by the time you reach the end of the game then you cant realistically win (they are really obnoxious to avoid and work around) so....I always have them at the back of my mind. Especially on chars that are levereging {elec} brands from low damage bases for much of their power, there are a couple of serious threats lategame that will giggle at elec daggers. (specifically oof, egolem and alich, all superb playerkillers)

Saturday, 24th October 2015, 13:43 by RBrandon

I would suggest a couple of things:

First, training your throwing all the way to 27 is most likely a poor use of experience. It takes a LOT of experience to actually get there and putting that experience elsewhere will give you better returns.

Second, I disagree with the poster above me. The purpose of Conjurations is to kill stuff from far away, which you will notice is the same purpose as Throwing. I would more agree with your assessment to pick up some buff spells (notably Ozo's armour, regeneration). Hexes may be worth focusing on. If you have invisibility then that can win you huge parts of the game on its own. Remember to train stealth more if you need more damage from stabbing. Enslavement also is extremely strong.

Those should be some decent goals for spells. Reevaluate when you get there.

Saturday, 24th October 2015, 14:38 by MainiacJoe

I am Fedhas so I do have oklobs for OoFs. And in addition to the scimitar of flaming I also have a vampiric scimitar in my stash, so I'm not going to be using the electric dagger all game. The aptitudes sure suggest going stabber. Indeed I have a hunch that Ko and ha have absurd throwing aptitude precisely because they can't use javelins and need higher skill to make tomahawks viable.

Saturday, 24th October 2015, 18:46 by MainiacJoe

Died to an Ice Field in an Ice Cave. I had gone with Blink, Portal Proj, Regeneration, Ozo's Armor, and Shroud, then added Swiftness when I found it. But three torments and an ice bolt before I can get away did me in. It was stunningly fast.

Saturday, 24th October 2015, 21:00 by celem

RBrandon wrote:Second, I disagree with the poster above me. The purpose of Conjurations is to kill stuff from far away, which you will notice is the same purpose as Throwing.

I totally see what you are saying there, but following a god that doesnt gift and being a race that cant throw a javelin makes you very limited when it comes to ammo, its fully possible for you to pick up loads of Thrown skill but be unable to actually use it except on major threats. Its a good thing it hybrids with slings, since stones are the only thing you can bank on having and I often end up slinging at trash to save thrown for a genuine target to conserve ammo. The Ha I linked was Oka, but I still wound up taking Conjurations because he was being a dick and showering me with needles instead of hawks.

I didnt really appreciate that he was Fedhas, oklobs for OoFs would probably have been fine.

Shame it ended, that IceCave ending is a real monster though, its very rare you hit it and are actually set to handle an IceFiend without taking some heavy risks.

Saturday, 24th October 2015, 22:07 by MainiacJoe

Yes I discovered that tomahawks are weak, and long before that ice fiend. And short blades were weak too, and a +3 scimitar of flaming wasn't really cutting it (no pun intended). So both Throwing and melee are weak for small characters because of the size limitations of permissible weapons. One thing that size does not penalize is spellcasting, so yeah, conjurations make sense. I feel like slings at +4 are very powerful for getting through Orc or so, and by then you ought to have other options. But tomahawks and scimitars aren't viable unless you're lucky.

Does that seem fair, or am I missing something?

Saturday, 24th October 2015, 22:22 by MainiacJoe

I even makes me want to start hunter and then worship Vehumet!

Saturday, 24th October 2015, 22:23 by WingedEspeon

throwing is not weak for halflings.

Saturday, 24th October 2015, 22:33 by MainiacJoe

WingedEspeon wrote:throwing is not weak for halflings.

Okay. My particular character had killdudes problems though and I think I didn't put enough XP into Throwing. What skill level does a Ha need in throwing for Depths, say?

Saturday, 24th October 2015, 22:44 by WingedEspeon

throwing uses a similar formula to UC. I would have AT LEAST 20 throwing by the beginning of depths. In 0.16 I where Ha throwing apt is +3 I would probably have 27 throwing before entering depths.

EDIT:This is if you want throwing to be your primary killdudes. long blades bezerker is a perfectly valid way to play Ha, and in that case you don't need throwing (although it doesn't hurt).

Sunday, 25th October 2015, 01:02 by MainiacJoe

Well in that case I was definitely underskilled in it. Sounds like you need to be focusing it most of the early and midgame, which means you don't have much XP for other killdudes, which means Oka or Trog so you don't run out of ammo.

Sunday, 25th October 2015, 02:30 by WingedEspeon

fedas is probably fine. I you can use mushrooms to survive earlygame and lair and get a min delay dagger for popcorn. you can also throw stones as crappy but basicaly unlimited ammo. I find throwing character require good threat assessment to kill dangerous stuff with good ammo and weak stuff with crappy ammo/melee backup. Blowguns are also good with high throwing.

Sunday, 25th October 2015, 12:51 by MainiacJoe

Yes I was acutely aware of ammo with Fedhas. I even used stone on death yaks by hiding in plant thickets. But the problem I ran into was that my non-ranged killdudes was bad, so I trained LBl for a +3 flaming scimitar. But if I'd not done that I'd be at 17 throwing instead of 13,and if I'd trained throwing from the start and let slings use crosstraining I'd have had 19 throwing and 13 Slings anyway. And the scimitar wasn't good killdudes for all that anyway. So this I think was a bad skilling death.

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