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Post Friday, 17th July 2015, 23:46

YASD DEFE - zot/zig issues

Found a +4 quarterstaff of speed, read Id an enchant scroll to +5 now. I have 4 more EW scrolls left so I could make it a +9. Is this a good use of my scrolls or should I wait to find an elemental staff and a shield? Down the line, is lajatang good for this char or does it take from the shield defenses too much?

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 Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.17-a0-1534-gf98da79 (webtiles) character file.

mahalanobis the Thaumaturge (DEFE)                 Turns: 16278, Time: 00:54:41

Health: 56/56      AC: 14    Str:  5      XL:     11   Next: 79%
Magic:  29/29      EV: 17    Int: 24      God:    Vehumet [*****.]
Gold:   854        SH:  0    Dex: 14 (15) Spells: 7 memorised, 8 levels left

rFire  + . .     SeeInvis +     H - +5 quarterstaff (speed)
rCold  x . .     Clarity  .     L - +3 leather armour {rPois}
rNeg   . . .     SustAt   .     (no shield)
rPois  +         Gourm    .     (no helmet)
rElec  .         Spirit   .     m - +2 cloak {MR+}
rCorr  .         Warding  .     u - +1 pair of gloves
rMut   .         Stasis   .     e - +2 pair of boots
MR     ++...                    (no amulet)
Stlth  ++........               h - ring of fire
                                y - ring of see invisible

@: very resistant to hostile enchantments, unstealthy
A: no striking features
a: Renounce Religion


You are on level 12 of the Dungeon.
You worship Vehumet.
Vehumet is extremely pleased with you.
You are not hungry.

You have visited 2 branches of the dungeon, and seen 13 of its levels.
You have also visited: Ossuary.

You have collected 990 gold pieces.
You have spent 136 gold pieces at shops.

Inventory:

Hand weapons
 o - a +2 dagger of venom
 H - a +5 quarterstaff of speed (weapon)
 T - a dagger of protection
 U - a +2 morningstar of protection
Missiles
 I - 19 tomahawks (quivered)
 R - 5 steel tomahawks
Armour
 a - a +2 robe of positive energy
 e - a +2 pair of boots (worn)
 m - a +2 cloak of magic resistance (worn)
 u - a +1 pair of gloves (worn)
 L - a +3 leather armour of poison resistance (worn)
Magical staves
 b - an uncursed staff of summoning
Jewellery
 h - a ring of fire (right hand)
 q - an uncursed ring of protection from magic
 y - a ring of see invisible (left hand)
 G - an uncursed ring of invisibility
 S - a ring of fire
 X - a glowing cabochon ring
Magical devices
 x - a wand of confusion
 J - a wand of paralysis
 N - a wand of disintegration
 V - a wand of random effects
 Z - a wand of draining
Scrolls
 f - a scroll of immolation
 i - 4 scrolls of teleportation
 j - 5 scrolls of amnesia
 l - 5 scrolls of remove curse
 n - 4 scrolls of magic mapping
 s - 2 scrolls of fear
 A - 3 scrolls of recharging
 B - a scroll labeled GOTTER KESUI
 O - 4 scrolls of enchant weapon
 P - a scroll labeled VUABAUGYWK
Potions
 g - a potion of curing
 p - 2 potions of magic
 r - a potion of heal wounds
 t - 7 potions of brilliance
 v - 2 potions of mutation
 w - 3 potions of flight
 z - a cyan potion
 C - a bubbling orange potion
 E - an orange potion
 F - a fizzy black potion
 M - 3 potions of might
 Y - a dark potion
Books
 d - a book of the Dragon   
   
    Spells                             Type                      Level
    a - Flame Tongue                 Conjuration/Fire              1
    b - Cause Fear                   Hexes                         4
    c - Bolt of Fire                 Conjuration/Fire              6
    d - Dragon Form                  Transmutation                 7
    e - Dragon's Call                Summoning                     9
 D - a book of Flames   
   
    Spells                             Type                      Level
    a - Flame Tongue                 Conjuration/Fire              1
    b - Throw Flame                  Conjuration/Fire              2
    c - Conjure Flame                Conjuration/Fire              3
    d - Inner Flame                  Hexes/Fire                    3
    e - Sticky Flame                 Conjuration/Fire              4
    f - Fireball                     Conjuration/Fire              5
 K - a book of Annihilations   
   
    Spells                             Type                      Level
    a - Poison Arrow                 Conjuration/Poison            6
    b - Chain Lightning              Conjuration/Air               8
    c - Lehudib's Crystal Spear      Conjuration/Earth             8
    d - Glaciate                     Conjuration/Ice               9
    e - Fire Storm                   Conjuration/Fire              9
 Q - a book of Fire   
   
    Spells                             Type                      Level
    a - Ignite Poison                Fire/Transmutation/Poison     3
    b - Fireball                     Conjuration/Fire              5
    c - Bolt of Fire                 Conjuration/Fire              6
    d - Delayed Fireball             Conjuration/Fire              7
    e - Ring of Flames               Charms/Fire                   7
Comestibles
 c - 4 bread rations
 k - 4 meat rations


   Skills:
 - Level 1.0 Fighting
 - Level 7.1 Staves
 - Level 11.8 Dodging
 - Level 2.4 Stealth
 * Level 12.8 Spellcasting
 - Level 7.5 Conjurations
 - Level 10.1 Fire Magic


You have 8 spell levels left.
You know the following spells:

 Your Spells              Type           Power        Failure   Level  Hunger
a - Flame Tongue          Conj/Fire      #####        1%          1    None
b - Conjure Flame         Conj/Fire      ######..     1%          3    None
c - Inner Flame           Hex/Fire       ######..     1%          3    None
d - Sticky Flame          Conj/Fire      ######..     1%          4    None
e - Fireball              Conj/Fire      ######....   1%          5    ###....
f - Bolt of Fire          Conj/Fire      ######....   8%          6    #####..
g - Irradiate             Conj/Trmt      ####......   14%         5    ###....


Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations

Branches:
Dungeon (12/15)            Temple (1/1) D:6            Lair (0/8) D:11
    Orc (0/4) D:9         

Altars:
Elyvilon
Kikubaaqudgha
Makhleb
Qazlal
Vehumet
Beogh

Shops:
D:8 (   D:10 =

Message History

You see here a dagger.
A crimson imp comes into view.
The crimson imp shouts!
Your leather armour prevents you from hitting the crimson imp.
The crimson imp completely misses you.
You hit the crimson imp.
The crimson imp is heavily wounded.
You sock the crimson imp!
You kill the crimson imp!
Vehumet accepts your kill.
No target in view!
O - 4 scrolls of enchant weapon (gained 3)
You see here a dagger.
Read which item? (? for menu, Esc to quit)
Okay, then.
Unknown command.
Unknown command.
Unknown command.
Char dumped successfully.
Save game and exit?

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Post Friday, 17th July 2015, 23:54

Re: CiP DeFE - Are Quarterstaves good weapon investment?

IMO definitely wait for a lajatang. Quarterstaff of speed is pretty good, but not really what I consider an endgame weapon.
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Post Saturday, 18th July 2015, 00:53

Re: CiP DeFE - Are Quarterstaves good weapon investment?

Alright, where I stand now. Any skills Im under/over invested in? I have a few armour options too, Im thinking the robe is good overall as the leather doesn't change my defenses too much and I have rC+ with the robe.

I have stashed books with c blink, fire storm, glaciate, ring of fire (any good?), delayed Fireball, and a bunch others so im good spellwise, just waiting for a good non-elemental damage spell. I do have poison arrow though as a fall back

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Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.17-a0-1534-gf98da79 (webtiles) character file.

mahalanobis the Eclecticist (DEFE)                 Turns: 25705, Time: 01:39:01

Health: 88/88      AC: 13    Str:  5    XL:     14   Next: 2%
Magic:  36/36      EV: 21    Int: 35    God:    Vehumet [*****.]
Gold:   2007       SH:  0    Dex: 15    Spells: 8 memorised, 14 levels left

rFire  + . .     SeeInvis .     H - +5 quarterstaff (speed)
rCold  + . .     Clarity  .     h - +2 robe {rC+}
rNeg   . . .     SustAt   .     (no shield)
rPois  +         Gourm    .     r - +0 helmet
rElec  .         Spirit   .     m - +2 cloak {MR+}
rCorr  +         Warding  .     u - +1 pair of gloves
rMut   .         Stasis   .     e - +2 pair of boots
MR     ++...                    N - amulet of resist corrosion
Stlth  ++........               K - +6 ring of intelligence
                                o - ring of Yxtips {rPois rF+ Int+3 Slay+2}

@: very resistant to hostile enchantments, unstealthy
A: no striking features
a: Renounce Religion


You are on level 5 of the Lair of Beasts.
You worship Vehumet.
Vehumet is extremely pleased with you.
You are not hungry.

You have visited 3 branches of the dungeon, and seen 19 of its levels.
You have also visited: Ossuary, Ice Cave and Volcano.

You have collected 2143 gold pieces.
You have spent 136 gold pieces at shops.

Inventory:

Hand weapons
 g - a dagger of electrocution
 H - a +5 quarterstaff of speed (weapon)
Missiles
 I - 27 tomahawks (quivered)
 R - 5 steel tomahawks
Armour
 e - a +2 pair of boots (worn)
 h - a +2 robe of cold resistance (worn)
 m - a +2 cloak of magic resistance (worn)
 r - a +0 helmet (worn)
 u - a +1 pair of gloves (worn)
 L - a +3 leather armour of poison resistance
Jewellery
 o - the ring of Yxtips (left hand) {rPois rF+ Int+3 Slay+2}
   (You found it in an ice cave)   
   
   [ring of intelligence]
   
   It affects your intelligence (+3).
   It affects your accuracy and damage with ranged weapons and melee attacks
   (+2).
   It protects you from fire.
   It protects you from poison.
 y - an uncursed ring of see invisible
 K - a +6 ring of intelligence (right hand)
 N - an amulet of resist corrosion (around neck)
Magical devices
 j - a wand of frost
 Z - a wand of draining {zapped: 8}
Scrolls
 f - 2 scrolls of immolation
 i - 5 scrolls of teleportation
 k - a scroll labeled FEAMIX DIOSCHO
 l - 5 scrolls of remove curse
 n - 2 scrolls of magic mapping
 s - 2 scrolls of fear
 v - a scroll labeled KOTENTU OTESKA
 A - 3 scrolls of recharging
 O - a scroll labeled HEAXEQ POGE
 P - a scroll labeled VUABAUGYWK
Potions
 a - 3 potions of curing
 p - 2 potions of magic
 t - 6 potions of brilliance
 w - 3 potions of flight
 C - a potion of cancellation
 F - a fizzy black potion
 G - a potion of heal wounds
 M - 3 potions of might
 W - 4 potions of berserk rage
 Y - a dark potion
Comestibles
 b - a royal jelly
 c - 6 bread rations
 d - a chunk of flesh


   Skills:
 - Level 10.2 Fighting
 - Level 7.1 Staves
 * Level 13.1 Dodging
 - Level 2.4 Stealth
 - Level 16.4 Spellcasting
 - Level 7.5 Conjurations
 - Level 10.1 Fire Magic


You have 14 spell levels left.
You know the following spells:

 Your Spells              Type           Power        Failure   Level  Hunger
a - Flame Tongue          Conj/Fire      #####        1%          1    None
b - Conjure Flame         Conj/Fire      ######..     1%          3    None
c - Inner Flame           Hex/Fire       ######..     1%          3    None
d - Sticky Flame          Conj/Fire      ######..     1%          4    None
e - Fireball              Conj/Fire      ######....   1%          5    None
f - Bolt of Fire          Conj/Fire      ######....   2%          6    None
g - Irradiate             Conj/Trmt      ######....   2%          5    None
h - Airstrike             Air            ####......   4%          4    None


Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations

Branches:
Dungeon (13/15)            Temple (1/1) D:6            Lair (5/8) D:11
 Spider (0/4) Lair:3          Orc (0/4) D:9         
 Swamp: Lair:3-6    Shoals: Lair:3-6    Vaults: D:13-14     

Altars:
Elyvilon
Kikubaaqudgha
Makhleb
Qazlal
Vehumet
Beogh

Shops:
D:8 (   D:10 =

Message History

The bolt of fire hits the seven-headed hydra.
The seven-headed hydra is almost dead.
The seven-headed hydra burns!
You kill the seven-headed hydra!
Vehumet accepts your kill.
You feel your power returning.
Your Dodging skill increases to level 13!
You start resting.
Some of the chunks of flesh in your inventory have rotted away.
You start resting.
Magic restored.
You start resting.
HP restored.
You see here a hydra corpse.
You now have 1984 gold pieces (gained 19).
Found a stone staircase leading up.
Found 11 sling bullets.
You now have 2007 gold pieces (gained 23).
Char dumped successfully.
Save game and exit?

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Post Saturday, 18th July 2015, 01:12

Re: CiP DeFE - Are Quarterstaves good weapon investment?

Like you said, your priority now is a non-elemental damage spell. Stone Arrow or Iskenderun's Mystic Blast would work for now. Iron Shot or Orb of Destruction would be just perfect. As a temporary measure you might consider grabbing an ice spell such as Throw Icicle, since many enemies that are immune to fire are vulnerable to cold.

Poison Arrow is great too.


You need more fighting skill (gives you more HP).

Though it's not a priority, your main spell now is Fire Bolt which takes an equal amount of fire and conj, so you want conj skill to be equal to fire skill.


Ring of flames is excellent, and you might choose to rush to fire storm once you have your non-elemental damage taken care of.
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Post Saturday, 18th July 2015, 01:26

Re: CiP DeFE - Are Quarterstaves good weapon investment?

Is bolt of draining worth taking since Veh is offering it, or is it covering the same spot as fire bolt too much

edit - I also have LCS in a book but its a bigger investment. See if Veh gives me ood, would be great

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Post Saturday, 18th July 2015, 01:37

Re: CiP DeFE - Are Quarterstaves good weapon investment?

Nah, I wouldn't bother with bolt of draining since e.g. efreets are immune to both neg and fire. Poison arrow is way better.
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Post Saturday, 18th July 2015, 01:43

Re: CiP DeFE - Are Quarterstaves good weapon investment?

I would enchant the q-staff of speed. ?EW are generaly plentiful, and a +9 q-staff of speed can outdamage a +9 lajatang, especialy with DEFE stats. Elemental staves cannont be enchanted, so if you switch to one some time later the ?EW would have been useless anyway.
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Post Saturday, 18th July 2015, 01:58

Re: CiP DeFE - Are Quarterstaves good weapon investment?

I just found possibly the coolest vault I have seen. It looks like a dark set of Sif Muna chambers with Elf, Orc, Naga, and some vampire mages. Collected 8 books and 4 staves. I think Im covered for spells.

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Post Saturday, 18th July 2015, 12:43

Re: CiP DeFE - Are Quarterstaves good weapon investment?

Lair and Orc done. Started Elf 1 a bit, and I am down to Swamp 4 and have the Lerny end. I'm wondering if FCloud will work ok on it or If I should use fire bolt/fireball?

I could also amnesia something and grab OoD If that's better?

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 Your Spells              Type           Power        Failure   Level  Hunger
a - Flame Tongue          Conj/Fire      #####        0%          1    None
b - Conjure Flame         Conj/Fire      #######.     0%          3    None
c - Fire Storm            Conj/Fire      #######...   86%         9    ######.
d - Sticky Flame          Conj/Fire      #######.     1%          4    None
e - Fireball              Conj/Fire      #######...   1%          5    None
f - Bolt of Fire          Conj/Fire      #######...   1%          6    None
g - Irradiate             Conj/Trmt      ######....   1%          5    None
h - Airstrike             Air            #####.....   1%          4    None
i - Stoneskin             Trmt/Erth      ####....     1%          2    None
j - Poison Arrow          Conj/Pois      ######....   4%          6    None
k - Freezing Cloud        Conj/Ice/Air   ######....   4%          6    None

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Post Saturday, 18th July 2015, 13:02

Re: CiP DeFE - Are Quarterstaves good weapon investment?

Freezing cloud will work well - like a normal hyrda, it has cold blood and will be slowed, and will take heavy damage. Still, I'd be tempted to leave that ending until quite late in the game, unless the escape routes are very clear and close. If that beast gets next to you, you're dead.

Either way, I'd amnesia something (airstrike looks unnecessary?) for OOD - thought I wouldn't use it against the hydra. You don't currently have a good damage dealer against resistant enemies. OOD but fills that slot pretty well. Probably would have been better to hold off memorising Fire Storm, tbh - it won't be castable for a while, and then you could keep your whole spell set.
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Post Saturday, 18th July 2015, 13:24

Re: CiP DeFE - Are Quarterstaves good weapon investment?

I could amnesia firestorm too, I have it in a book. I was keeping airstrike for smite targeting things like weavers but I guess a bolt spell/F Cloud works just as well if not better though?

Speaking of which, is OoD or iron shot the better choice? I could also grab LCS but it also wont be castable for some time.
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Post Saturday, 18th July 2015, 14:02

Re: CiP DeFE - Are Quarterstaves good weapon investment?

both are good spells.

OoD:single conj-Lv7 so you don't need earth skill. hard to use in corridor
iron shot:conj-earth Lv6 but 10 earth is maybe ok

generally earth magic is powerful and has a versality. petrify, iron shot, statue form, LRD, are all great.
and if you want to go to 15runes at your DE, you should get shatter after onlining fire storm.

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Post Saturday, 18th July 2015, 14:06

Re: CiP DeFE - Are Quarterstaves good weapon investment?

Yeah I ascended an EE once, it was a really strong spell school on its own. I wont be doing any extended for a bit. Focusing on ascending different races/classes and really getting good at the main game for now. I do have one 15 rune win so I know I can but I want to get to the point where I can consistently win a 3 rune game.

I snagged OOD for now. I have used iron shot before and its nice but I feel it misses often enough to be noticeable. OoD is a bit tricky in some situations but I can generally control where I am. Its a bit slower play but I'm feeling that, if I am careful, I have a bit more control over when to fight/run as a magic heavy approach.

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Post Saturday, 18th July 2015, 14:13

Re: CiP DeFE - Are Quarterstaves good weapon investment?

So the next question, Should I stay in robes or look for dragon armour? Im assuming I want to stay really light for fire storm eventually. I currently have a swamp dragon hide though but I already have rPois, and I would lose my rC+. Havent landed any mottled/steam/quicksilver hides though. I do have stone skin but haven't seen Ozo's armour.
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Post Saturday, 18th July 2015, 14:51

Re: CiP DeFE - Are Quarterstaves good weapon investment?

If you want to wear medium dragon armour, you should raise str.
But your str is 5. very low, but it is normal str as a pure conjurer.

I recommend robe and train only dodge, but raising 2str and wearing quicksilver dragon armour is not bad(the real problem is to find quicksilver dragon armour, though).

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Post Saturday, 18th July 2015, 15:21

Re: CiP DeFE - Are Quarterstaves good weapon investment?

Just found the -2 hat of the alchemist. Is the hit to my already low AC worth all the resists? I thought it used to be a +2. Kind of a bummer to see it was made -
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Post Saturday, 18th July 2015, 15:30

Re: CiP DeFE - Are Quarterstaves good weapon investment?

QDA warrants Armour training. Higher base AC=more benefit from armor skill. Imo steam DA would be best but mottled or swamp DA would be better than QDA given his str. Troll leather might not be bad either.
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Post Saturday, 18th July 2015, 15:55

Re: CiP DeFE - Are Quarterstaves good weapon investment?

ajon wrote:Just found the -2 hat of the alchemist. Is the hit to my already low AC worth all the resists? I thought it used to be a +2. Kind of a bummer to see it was made -


Think of it as a way to consolidate your wearable slots. If you've got nothing good to fill all the slots that it frees, then don't use it. Typically it's a good deal.

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Post Saturday, 18th July 2015, 16:54

Re: CiP DeFE - Are Quarterstaves good weapon investment?

Current snapshot.

Firestorm is up and running. Haste/stone skin/swiftness/repel missiles are all online. Not sure if I should drop swiftness. Seems like it could be useful when mp is too low for haste and I just need to flee.

Found lajatang of speed in Elf to replace quarterstaff of speed and I enchanted it up to +7.
Found a robe that would give me one more pip of rC at the expense of MR and 1AC, but im thinking one more RC isn't as useful as one more AC and MR. Though if I use it, I can use my fire staff and grab a shield but with such a heavy investment so far, would it make much difference for my spells?

Thinking I will push fighting/dodging for a bit.

I have controlled blink but im not sure what to drop for it. I dropped OoD for firestorm as I was using P Arrow almost exclusively instead of it.

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Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.17-a0-1545-gc1bb672 (webtiles) character file.

mahalanobis the Eclecticist (DEFE)                 Turns: 85087, Time: 07:35:12

Health: 137/137    AC: 17    Str:  5    XL:     21   Next: 51%
Magic:  45/45      EV: 24    Int: 40    God:    Vehumet [******]
Gold:   3658       SH:  0    Dex: 15    Spells: 13 memorised, 0 levels left

rFire  + . .     SeeInvis .     B - +7 lajatang (speed)
rCold  + . .     Clarity  .     E - +2 robe {rC+}
rNeg   . . .     SustAt   .     (no shield)
rPois  +         Gourm    .     r - +2 helmet
rElec  .         Spirit   .     m - +2 cloak {MR+}
rCorr  .         Warding  .     u - +2 pair of gloves
rMut   .         Stasis   .     e - +2 pair of boots
MR     +++..                    c - amulet of regeneration
Stlth  ++........               o - ring of Yxtips {rPois rF+ Int+3 Slay+2}
                                K - +6 ring of intelligence

@: extremely resistant to hostile enchantments, unstealthy
A: shaggy fur 1
a: Renounce Religion
}: 2/15 runes: decaying, gossamer


You are on level 2 of the Vaults.
You worship Vehumet.
Vehumet is exalted by your worship.
You are not hungry.

You have visited 8 branches of the dungeon, and seen 43 of its levels.
You have also visited: Ossuary, Ice Cave and Volcano.

You have collected 5853 gold pieces.
You have spent 2195 gold pieces at shops.

Inventory:

Hand weapons
 B - a +7 lajatang of speed (weapon)
Missiles
 q - 3 throwing nets (quivered)
Armour
 e - a +2 pair of boots (worn)
 m - a +2 cloak of magic resistance (worn)
 r - a +2 helmet (worn)
 u - a +2 pair of gloves (worn)
 z - the +1 robe of the Turtle {rC++ MR- Str+5}
   (You took it off a deep elf sorcerer on level 3 of the Elven Halls)   
   
   It affects your strength (+5).
   It greatly protects you from cold.
   It affects your resistance to hostile enchantments.
 E - a +2 robe of cold resistance (worn)
Magical staves
 L - an uncursed staff of air
 S - an uncursed staff of fire
Jewellery
 c - an amulet of regeneration (around neck)
 h - the amulet "Bugatebb" {Clar rF+}
   (You bought it in a shop on level 4 of the Orcish Mines)   
   
   [amulet of clarity]
   
   It provides mental clarity.
   It protects you from fire.
 o - the ring of Yxtips (right hand) {rPois rF+ Int+3 Slay+2}
   (You found it in an ice cave)   
   
   [ring of intelligence]
   
   It affects your intelligence (+3).
   It affects your accuracy and damage with ranged weapons and melee attacks
   (+2).
   It protects you from fire.
   It protects you from poison.
 y - an uncursed ring of see invisible
 K - a +6 ring of intelligence (left hand)
Magical devices
 b - a wand of hasting (6)
 j - a wand of teleportation (5)
 G - a wand of cold (1)
 V - a wand of fire
 Z - a wand of digging (8)
Scrolls
 f - 6 scrolls of immolation
 i - 12 scrolls of teleportation
 k - 3 scrolls of holy word
 l - 9 scrolls of remove curse
 n - a scroll of summoning
 s - 4 scrolls of fear
 A - 5 scrolls of recharging
 J - 2 scrolls of blinking
 O - 3 scrolls of magic mapping
 P - 2 scrolls of fog
 U - a scroll of silence
Potions
 a - 9 potions of curing
 d - a potion of resistance
 p - 2 potions of magic
 t - 7 potions of brilliance
 w - 5 potions of flight
 x - 4 potions of invisibility
 C - 3 potions of cancellation
 D - 2 potions of lignification
 F - 2 potions of agility
 M - 4 potions of might
 N - 2 potions of heal wounds
 T - 3 potions of haste
Miscellaneous
 Q - a fan of gales
Comestibles
 g - 10 bread rations


   Skills:
 + Level 16.5 Fighting
 - Level 12.0 Staves
 - Level 17.0 Dodging
 - Level 2.4 Stealth
 - Level 18.5 Spellcasting
 - Level 18.1 Conjurations
 - Level 8.6 Charms
 - Level 4.5 Summonings
 - Level 18.0 Fire Magic
 - Level 1.5 Ice Magic
 - Level 2.1 Air Magic


You cannot memorise any spells.
You know the following spells:

 Your Spells              Type           Power        Failure   Level  Hunger
a - Flame Tongue          Conj/Fire      #####        0%          1    None
b - Conjure Flame         Conj/Fire      ########     0%          3    None
c - Swiftness             Chrm/Air       ######..     1%          2    None
d - Sticky Flame          Conj/Fire      ########     0%          4    None
e - Fireball              Conj/Fire      ########..   0%          5    None
f - Bolt of Fire          Conj/Fire      ########..   1%          6    None
g - Shadow Creatures      Summ           N/A          3%          5    None
h - Haste                 Chrm           #######.     3%          6    None
i - Stoneskin             Trmt/Erth      #####...     1%          2    None
j - Poison Arrow          Conj/Pois      #######...   1%          6    None
k - Freezing Cloud        Conj/Ice/Air   #######...   2%          6    None
l - Fire Storm            Conj/Fire      ########..   10%         9    #####..
m - Repel Missiles        Chrm/Air       ######       1%          2    None


Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations

Branches:
Dungeon (15/15)            Temple (1/1) D:6            Lair (8/8) D:11
  Swamp (4/4) Lair:6       Spider (4/4) Lair:3        Slime (0/6) Lair:7
    Orc (4/4) D:9             Elf (3/3) Orc:3        Vaults (4/5) D:14
  Crypt (0/3) Vaults:3     Depths (0/5) D:15       

Altars:
Cheibriados
Elyvilon
Kikubaaqudgha
Makhleb
Qazlal
Sif Muna
Trog
Vehumet
Xom
Yredelemnul
Beogh

Shops:
D:8 (   D:10 =   Orc:4 }(==   Elf:1 :   Elf:2 =*   Vaults:3 %?

Annotations:
Elf:2 3 runed doors


Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations

You are covered in fur (AC +1).


Message History

Things that are here:
16 bolts; an arbalest
Things that are here:
32 bolts; an arbalest
Items here: (( ))
14 bolts of penetration; an arbalest; 19 bolts; an uncursed arbalest
Done exploring.
Done exploring.
(D) Dungeon        (T) Temple         (L) Lair           (S) Swamp         
(N) Spider Nest    (M) Slime Pits     (O) Orcish Mines   (E) Elven Halls   
(V) Vaults         (C) Crypt          (U) Depths         
Where to? (* - list waypoints, Enter - Vaults:1, ? - help)
Things that are here:
32 bolts; an arbalest
There is a stone staircase leading down here.
You climb downwards.
There is a stone staircase leading up here.
You can't go down here!
Char dumped successfully.
Save game and exit?

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There are no monsters in sight!
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Post Saturday, 18th July 2015, 17:33

Re: CiP DeFE - Are Quarterstaves good weapon investment?

I think the clear choice is to ditch Conjure Flame and Sticky Flame
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Post Saturday, 18th July 2015, 21:58

Re: CiP DeFE - Are Quarterstaves good weapon investment?

MR+ and +1 AC is a lot better than an additional rC. Not sure on the first pip of rC. It probably depends on the branch you are doing. Your MR is a little low.
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Post Sunday, 19th July 2015, 14:29

Re: CiP DeFE - Are Quarterstaves good weapon investment?

Died in a zig... to a jumping spider. Well he was just the last in a series of events.
I made it to zot 3 but had to use my last healing potion and I hadn't found a wand of healing at all that game. I had to dodge one OoF that I couldn't manage to kill. I felt really underpowered overall. I decided to hit a few early zig levels to maybe find some healing and cure mutation potions. Was doing fine until I came across a floor with some Ubuntu, a tormentor, a reaper, and some holy monster that I hadn't seen before. A few fire storms and some shadow creatures killed most of it. Managed to melee the holy creature out of necessity and was running from the last reaper. Thought I would be safe descending and healing without moving but some draconians showed up. So I had to invis and c blinked when I could see the stairs. Descended again to a spider floor. I ended up using lignification to try and finish them. I probably should have used my blinkscroll /c blink to the out portal instead. I can only imagaine the mutations I was going to wrack up though.

Anyways, I couldn't figure out the best way to handle zot monsters. Fire storm was nice but it was easy to run out of mana. Fire bolt was ok but didn't seem as effective. Iron shot missed a lot. Shadow creatures was great if I got a pack. Otherwise, it was a gamble. I ended up meleeing a lot of creatures with haste, stoneskin, and my lajatang of speed. Any advice on surviving this part would be helpful for the next try. All in all though, DEFE was pretty fun, but I can see why melee centric is considered better than leaning heavily toward magic.

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 Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.17-a0-1545-gc1bb672 (webtiles) character file.

620745 mahalanobis the Intangible (level 27, -1/265 HPs)
             Began as a Deep Elf Fire Elementalist on July 17, 2015.
             Was the Champion of Vehumet.
             Slain by a jumping spider (8 damage)
             ... on level 10 of a ziggurat on July 19, 2015.
             The game lasted 11:09:20 (118671 turns).

mahalanobis the Intangible (DEFE)                 Turns: 118671, Time: 11:09:20

Health: -1/265     AC: 33    Str:  4 (5)  XL:     27
Magic:  0/46       EV:  2    Int: 43      God:    Vehumet [******]
Gold:   7492       SH:  0    Dex: 15      Spells: 13 memorised, 9 levels left

rFire  + . .     SeeInvis .     B - +8 lajatang (speed)
rCold  . . .     Rnd*Rage +     (armour currently unavailable)
rNeg   + + +     SustAt   .     (no shield)
rPois  +         Gourm    .     (helmet currently unavailable)
rElec  .         Spirit   .     (cloak currently unavailable)
rCorr  .         Warding  .     (gloves currently unavailable)
rMut   .         NoTele   +     (boots currently unavailable)
MR     ++...                    v - amulet of Vitality {Regen+ HP+15}
Stlth  +++.......               o - ring of Yxtips {rPois rF+ Int+3 Slay+2}
                                K - +6 ring of intelligence

@: lethally poisoned (-1 -> -3), exhausted, tree-form, very slightly
contaminated, slowed, repel missiles, very slow, very resistant to hostile
enchantments, fairly stealthy
A: berserk 1, blurry vision 2, frail 1, low mp 1
a: Renounce Religion
}: 3/15 runes: decaying, silver, gossamer


You were on level 10 of a ziggurat.
You worshipped Vehumet.
Vehumet was exalted by your worship.
You were hungry.

You were a tree.

You visited 12 branches of the dungeon, and saw 56 of its levels.
You visited 1 ziggurat, and saw 10 of its levels.
You also visited: Ossuary, Ice Cave and Volcano.

You collected 9818 gold pieces.
You spent 2326 gold pieces at shops.

Inventory:

Hand weapons
 B - a +8 lajatang of speed (weapon)
Missiles
 q - 3 throwing nets (quivered)
Armour
 c - the +2 hat of the High Council {Archmagi, Wiz- Stlth-}
   (You found it on level 2 of the Depths)   
   
   It makes you less stealthy.
 m - a +2 cloak of magic resistance (melded)
 r - a +2 helmet (melded)
 u - a +2 pair of gloves (melded)
 z - a +3 buckler of reflection
 E - a +2 robe of cold resistance (melded)
 O - the +1 pair of boots "Tytaame" (melded) {rF+ Str+4 Slay+6}
   (You found it on level 5 of the Vaults)   
   
   It affects your strength (+4).
   It affects your accuracy and damage with ranged weapons and melee attacks
   (+6).
   It protects you from fire.
Magical staves
 L - an uncursed staff of air
 S - an uncursed staff of fire
Jewellery
 h - the amulet "Bugatebb" {Clar rF+}
   (You bought it in a shop on level 4 of the Orcish Mines)   
   
   [amulet of clarity]
   
   It provides mental clarity.
   It protects you from fire.
 o - the ring of Yxtips (right branch) {rPois rF+ Int+3 Slay+2}
   (You found it in an ice cave)   
   
   [ring of intelligence]
   
   It affects your intelligence (+3).
   It affects your accuracy and damage with ranged weapons and melee attacks
   (+2).
   It protects you from fire.
   It protects you from poison.
 v - the amulet of Vitality (around neck) {Regen+ HP+15}
   (You took it off a hell knight on level 2 of the Depths)   
   
   [amulet of regeneration]
   
   It affects your health (+15).
   It increases your rate of regeneration.
 y - an uncursed ring of see invisible
 K - a +6 ring of intelligence (left branch)
 W - the amulet "Rikhlis" {rMut rF+ Str-5 Dex+2}
   (You found it on level 7 of a ziggurat)   
   
   [amulet of resist mutation]
   
   It protects you from mutation.
   It affects your strength (-5).
   It affects your dexterity (+2).
   It protects you from fire.
Magical devices
 b - a wand of hasting (5)
 j - a wand of teleportation (1)
 V - a wand of draining (3)
 Z - a wand of digging (4)
Scrolls
 f - 8 scrolls of immolation
 i - 21 scrolls of teleportation
 k - 4 scrolls of holy word
 l - 13 scrolls of remove curse
 n - 2 scrolls of enchant weapon
 p - a scroll of summoning
 s - 5 scrolls of fear
 A - 6 scrolls of recharging
 J - a scroll of blinking
 P - 4 scrolls of fog
 R - a scroll of identify
 U - 2 scrolls of silence
Potions
 a - 3 potions of curing
 d - a potion of resistance
 t - 8 potions of brilliance
 w - 4 potions of flight
 x - 3 potions of invisibility
 C - 2 potions of cancellation
 D - 3 potions of lignification
 F - 3 potions of agility
 M - 4 potions of might
 T - a potion of haste
Books
 e - a book of Power   
   
    Spells                             Type                      Level
    a - Fulminant Prism              Conjuration/Hexes             4
    b - Iskenderun's Mystic Blast    Conjuration                   4
    c - Venom Bolt                   Conjuration/Poison            5
    d - Bolt of Magma                Conjuration/Fire/Earth        5
    e - Iron Shot                    Conjuration/Earth             6
    f - Orb of Destruction           Conjuration                   7
    g - Spellforged Servitor         Conjuration/Summoning         7
Miscellaneous
 Q - a fan of gales
Comestibles
 H - 26 chunks of flesh
 N - 3 meat rations


   Skills:
 - Level 20.6 Fighting
 - Level 12.0 Staves
 O Level 27 Dodging
 - Level 2.4 Stealth
 - Level 5.1 Shields
 + Level 22.0 Spellcasting
 - Level 18.1 Conjurations
 - Level 8.6 Charms
 - Level 4.5 Summonings
 - Level 10.0 Translocations
 - Level 18.0 Fire Magic
 - Level 1.5 Ice Magic
 - Level 2.1 Air Magic
 - Level 4.7 Evocations


You had 9 spell levels left.
You knew the following spells:

 Your Spells              Type           Power        Failure   Level  Hunger
a - Flame Tongue          Conj/Fire      #####        0%          1    None
b - Controlled Blink      Tloc           N/A          8%          7    None
c - Swiftness             Chrm/Air       #######.     1%          2    None
d - Animate Dead          Necr           N/A          4%          4    None
e - Fireball              Conj/Fire      ########..   0%          5    None
f - Bolt of Fire          Conj/Fire      ########..   1%          6    None
g - Shadow Creatures      Summ           N/A          1%          5    None
h - Haste                 Chrm           #######.     1%          6    None
i - Stoneskin             Trmt/Erth      #####...     1%          2    None
j - Iron Shot             Conj/Erth      #######...   1%          6    None
k - Freezing Cloud        Conj/Ice/Air   #######...   1%          6    None
l - Fire Storm            Conj/Fire      ########..   5%          9    ##.....
m - Repel Missiles        Chrm/Air       ######       1%          2    None


Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations

Branches:
Dungeon (15/15)            Temple (1/1) D:6            Lair (8/8) D:11
  Swamp (4/4) Lair:6       Spider (4/4) Lair:3        Slime (0/6) Lair:7
    Orc (4/4) D:9             Elf (3/3) Orc:3        Vaults (5/5) D:14
  Crypt (2/3) Vaults:3     Depths (5/5) D:15           Hell (1/1)
    Zot (4/5) Depths:5   
   Dis: Hell:1         Geh: Hell:1         Coc: Hell:1         Tar: Hell:1

Altars:
Cheibriados
Elyvilon
Kikubaaqudgha
Makhleb
Qazlal
Sif Muna
Trog
Vehumet
Xom
Yredelemnul
Beogh
Lugonu

Shops:
D:8 (   D:10 =   Orc:4 }(==   Elf:1 :   Elf:2 =*   Vaults:3 ?   Depths:2 (

Portals:
Hell: Depths:1 Depths:2 Depths:3 Depths:4 Depths:5
Abyss: Depths:1 Depths:4
Pandemonium: Depths:3 Depths:5

Annotations:
Elf:2 3 runed doors
Depths:1 ! Pack of monsters chasing you, exclusion: downstairs
Depths:2 ! Norris awaits, 2 exclusions
Hell Geryon
Zot:1 exclusion: oklob plant


Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations

You tend to lose your temper in combat.
Scrolls take you longer to read.
You are frail (-10% HP).
Your magical capacity is low (-10% MP).


Message History

Something hits you but does no damage. x2
Something stings you but does no damage.
The trapdoor spider bites you but does no damage.
You hit something but do no damage. You feel sick.
Something hits you but does no damage. Something hits you.
* * * LOW HITPOINT WARNING * * *
Something stings you but does no damage.
The trapdoor spider bites you but does no damage.
Something hits you.
* * * LOW HITPOINT WARNING * * *
Something hits you.
* * * LOW HITPOINT WARNING * * *
Something stings you but does no damage.
Something hits you but does no damage. x2
Something stings you.
* * * LOW HITPOINT WARNING * * *
You hit something. You feel sick.
The jumping spider is engulfed in freezing vapours.
The jumping spider pounces on you!
You die...

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Spider Stomper

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Post Sunday, 19th July 2015, 16:27

Re: YASD DEFE - zot/zig issues

Too bad, you had a winnable character and were 2 levels from the orb run. If you needed gear (you don't), you should have gone to slime. The zig was a bad idea and diving instead of escaping is a bad idea^2.

OOD is good vs orbs of fire (you have it in the Book of Power), but honestly I've never had problems with using Iron Shot on OOFs with a DE^Veh with their gobs of MP.

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Post Sunday, 19th July 2015, 16:37

Re: YASD DEFE - zot/zig issues

Maybe I just had a few bad rolls while trying it. I wasted a lot of MP missing it. I was also playing around between the shield + fire staff for resistance, and the lajatang for offense. Yeah, I really should have escaped. I think I can roll another one fairly easily. I don't think that I had anything insanely great or rare other than the speed lajatang. I think Ill keep OoD next time instead of P Arrow and iron shot too. I had considered bolt of magma too. It looks like 45% would be irresistible and the damage is comparable to iron shot on the upper end, though it looks more variable.

Spider Stomper

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Post Sunday, 19th July 2015, 18:37

Re: YASD DEFE - zot/zig issues

Just noticed that you have literally 0 Earth magic which probably explains why your Iron shot was missing a lot and doing only moderate damage when it hits. A few ranks in side schools are cheap, if you're using an earth spell like iron shot or LCS you need to get some skills there. Fire/Earth particularly has great synergy in the mid game mainly due to bolt of magma being a great spammy spell before you can spam bolt of fire, if I find the spell on an FE I always mix in some earth into my training routine.

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