CiP : OpAE^Veh, 68MP in Lair

[mopl]

I never had much success with AE... This one seems to be doing pretty fine. Went the glass-cannon way at the beginnng of the game (full Int and Conj/Air magic) and then tried to improve defense... Found some good rings, I now have 3 magical power + staff of power... that's 68MP, yes

Finishing Lair, then going for Orc shops...

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 Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.17-a0-1469-g9f39193 (webtiles) character file.

mopl the Destroyer (Octopode Air Elementalist)     Turns: 29333, Time: 02:36:04

Health: 95/95      AC:  1    Str: 14    XL:     14   Next: 72%
Magic:  49/68      EV: 17    Int: 23    God:    Vehumet [*****.]
Gold:   2946       SH:  5    Dex: 13    Spells: 10 memorised, 3 levels left

rFire  . . .     SeeInvis +     c - staff of power {!a}
rCold  . . .     Clarity  .     o - +0 buckler
rNeg   + + .     SustAt   .     (helmet restricted)
rPois  .         Gourm    .     N - amulet of resist corrosion
rElec  .         Spirit   .     k - ring of positive energy
rCorr  +         Warding  .     A - ring of magical power
rMut   .         Stasis   .     s - ring of magical power
MR     +....                    E - ring of Cualoaci {+Inv Int+3}
Stlth  +++++.....               w - ring of stealth
                                q - ring of stealth
                                W - ring of Hisudgh {MP+9 Str+2 SInv}
                                H - ring "Dacuesum" {rN+ Str+3}

@: repel missiles, somewhat resistant to hostile enchantments, quite stealthy
A: almost no armour, amphibious, 8 rings, constrict 8, tentacle spike 1,
camouflage 1, gelatinous body 1
a: Renounce Religion, Evoke Invisibility


You are on level 8 of the Lair of Beasts.
You worship Vehumet.
Vehumet is extremely pleased with you.
You are not hungry.

You have visited 4 branches of the dungeon, and seen 24 of its levels.
You have also visited: Labyrinth, Sewer and Ice Cave.

You have collected 2946 gold pieces.

Inventory:

Hand weapons
 a - the +1 eveningstar "Brilliance" {holy, rN+ AC+5 Int+5}
   (You found it in an ice cave)   
   
   It has been blessed by the Shining One to cause great damage to the undead
   and demons.
   
   It affects your AC (+5).
   It affects your intelligence (+5).
   It protects you from negative energy.
 b - a +0 blowgun
Missiles
 y - 53 poisoned needles
 I - 4 curare-tipped needles
Armour
 o - a +0 buckler (worn)
Magical staves
 c - an uncursed staff of power (weapon) {!a}
 X - an uncursed staff of energy {!a}
Jewellery
 f - an uncursed amulet of clarity
 k - a ring of positive energy (left tentacle)
 q - a ring of stealth (on tentacle)
 s - a ring of magical power (on tentacle)
 w - a ring of stealth (on tentacle)
 A - a ring of magical power (right tentacle)
 E - the ring of Cualoaci (on tentacle) {+Inv Int+3}
   (You found it on level 2 of the Lair of Beasts)   
   
   [ring of invisibility]
   
   It affects your intelligence (+3).
   It lets you turn invisible.
 G - an uncursed ring of ice
 H - the ring "Dacuesum" (on tentacle) {rN+ Str+3}
   (You found it on level 8 of the Lair of Beasts)   
   
   [ring of positive energy]
   
   It affects your strength (+3).
   It protects you from negative energy.
 N - an amulet of resist corrosion (around mantle)
 W - the ring of Hisudgh (on tentacle) {MP+9 Str+2 SInv}
   (You found it on level 8 of the Lair of Beasts)   
   
   [ring of magical power]
   
   It affects your strength (+2).
   It affects your magic capacity (+9).
   It lets you see invisible.
 Z - an uncursed ring of fire
Magical devices
 l - a wand of fire {zapped: 8}
 n - a wand of cold {zapped: 1}
 p - a wand of disintegration
 x - a wand of enslavement {zapped: 4}
 M - a wand of paralysis {zapped: 2}
 R - a wand of teleportation (4)
 T - a wand of polymorph (12)
 U - a wand of digging
 V - a wand of cold
 Y - a wand of fireball
Scrolls
 d - a scroll of magic mapping
 e - 5 scrolls of teleportation
 j - 4 scrolls labeled KEYTUT SASI
 r - 4 scrolls labeled MUPUFETIXI
 B - a scroll labeled TYTIAN JOAZUO
 D - 3 scrolls labeled ISOAPTIQIPH
 F - 10 scrolls of remove curse
 J - 3 scrolls labeled WAISSU BUONNOM
 L - a scroll labeled AVVOFI WIMOS
 O - a scroll of immolation
 Q - 5 scrolls labeled MUUSTI UTSAM
Potions
 h - a potion of brilliance
 i - 3 potions of haste
 m - 4 potions of resistance
 t - 6 potions of curing
 u - a potion of magic
 v - 4 potions of might
 K - 5 potions of heal wounds
 P - a potion of cancellation
 S - a potion of invisibility
Miscellaneous
 z - a fan of gales
Comestibles
 g - 11 bread rations
 C - 2 meat rations


   Skills:
 - Level 8.6 Fighting
 + Level 9.1 Dodging
 - Level 2.6 Stealth
 - Level 5.0 Shields
 + Level 8.8 Spellcasting
 + Level 13.2 Conjurations
 - Level 5.0 Charms
 - Level 3.1 Summonings
 - Level 3.6 Translocations
 + Level 12.0 Air Magic
 - Level 5.0 Evocations


You have 3 spell levels left.
You know the following spells:

 Your Spells              Type           Power        Failure   Level  Hunger
a - Shock                 Conj/Air       ####         1%          1    None
b - Static Discharge      Conj/Air       ######..     1%          3    None
c - Summon Lightning Spi  Summ/Air       #####...     3%          4    ##.....
d - Lightning Bolt        Conj/Air       ######....   1%          5    ####...
e - Blink                 Tloc           N/A          2%          2    None
f - Airstrike             Air            ######....   1%          4    ##.....
g - Apportation           Tloc           ####......   1%          1    None
i - Repel Missiles        Chrm/Air       #####.       1%          2    None
n - Swiftness             Chrm/Air       #####...     1%          2    None
r - Regeneration          Chrm/Necr      ###.......   10%         3    None


Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations

Branches:
Dungeon (11/15)            Temple (1/1) D:7            Lair (8/8) D:11
  Swamp (0/4) Lair:3       Spider (0/4) Lair:6        Slime (0/6) Lair:6
    Orc (4/4) D:9             Elf (0/3) Orc:3       

Altars:
Ashenzari
Cheibriados
Dithmenos
Elyvilon
Gozag
Kikubaaqudgha
Makhleb
Nemelex Xobeh
Okawaru
Qazlal
Ru
Sif Muna
Trog
Vehumet
Xom
Zin
The Shining One
Beogh
Jiyva

Shops:
D:4 [   D:5 =   D:6 [

Annotations:
Orc:4 Haplo13's ghost, powerful MiGl


Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations

You cannot wear most types of armour.
You are amphibious.
You can wear up to eight rings at the same time.
You can use your tentacles to constrict eight enemies at once.
Your skin changes colour to match your surroundings (Stealth).
Your rubbery body absorbs attacks (AC +1).
One of your tentacles bears a spike.


Message History

Confirm with . or Enter, or press ? or * to list all spells.
Aiming: Airstrike
Press: ? - help, Dir - move target cursor, f/p - Nessos
Aim: Nessos, wielding a longbow of flaming and wearing a centaur barding (almost dead, paralysed)
The air twists around and strikes Nessos!
You kill Nessos!
Vehumet accepts your kill.
You feel your power returning.
Your pack is full.
Items here: ! ( ) [ †
a longbow of flaming; 10 poisoned arrows; a centaur barding
a sedimented cyan potion; the centaur corpse of Nessos
Read which item? (? for menu, Esc to quit)
Okay, then.
Unknown command.
Drop what? 52/52 slots (_ for help) (? for menu, Esc to quit)
Okay, then.
Inscribe which item? (? for menu, Esc to quit)
Okay, then.
Unknown command.

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You can see a friendly lightning spire.


[Sprucery]

I assume you don't like to read-id scroll stacks?

[Sar]

now you just need to find guardian spirit

[mopl]

I assume you don't like to read-id scroll stacks?

I already have idetified the ones I need (blink/tele/fog), but yep, I should read those ones...

Vehumet offered me Poison Cloud, and now Freezing Cloud... What to do with my spellset ? Note that I also have Annihilation book (for Chain Ligntning or PArrow)...

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 Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.17-a0-1469-g9f39193 (webtiles) character file.

mopl the Stormcaller (Octopode Air Elementalist)   Turns: 40313, Time: 03:48:28

Health: 108/108    AC:  2    Str: 14    XL:     16   Next: 81%
Magic:  67/72      EV: 18    Int: 24    God:    Vehumet [******]
Gold:   3537       SH:  6    Dex: 14    Spells: 10 memorised, 3 levels left

rFire  + . .     SeeInvis +     c - staff of power {!a}
rCold  . . .     Clarity  .     o - +1 buckler
rNeg   + . .     SustAt   .     Q - +1 hat
rPois  +         Gourm    .     N - amulet of resist corrosion
rElec  .         Spirit   .     L - ring of protection from fire
rCorr  +         Warding  .     A - ring of magical power
rMut   .         Stasis   .     s - ring of magical power
MR     +....                    E - ring of Cualoaci {+Inv Int+3}
Stlth  ++++......               w - ring of stealth
                                X - ring of poison resistance
                                W - ring of Hisudgh {MP+9 Str+2 SInv}
                                H - ring "Dacuesum" {rN+ Str+3}

@: repel missiles, somewhat resistant to hostile enchantments, stealthy
A: almost no armour, amphibious, 8 rings, constrict 8, tentacle spike 1,
camouflage 1, gelatinous body 1
a: Renounce Religion, Evoke Invisibility


You are on level 3 of the Elven Halls.
You worship Vehumet.
Vehumet is exalted by your worship.
You are not hungry.

You have visited 5 branches of the dungeon, and seen 31 of its levels.
You have also visited: Labyrinth, Sewer and Ice Cave.

You have collected 3537 gold pieces.

Inventory:

Hand weapons
 a - the +1 eveningstar "Brilliance" {holy, rN+ AC+5 Int+5}
   (You found it in an ice cave)   
   
   It has been blessed by the Shining One to cause great damage to the undead
   and demons.
   
   It affects your AC (+5).
   It affects your intelligence (+5).
   It protects you from negative energy.
 b - a +1 blowgun
Missiles
 y - 66 poisoned needles
 I - 11 curare-tipped needles
Armour
 o - a +1 buckler (worn)
 Q - a +1 hat (worn)
Magical staves
 c - an uncursed staff of power (weapon) {!a}
Jewellery
 f - an uncursed amulet of clarity
 s - a ring of magical power (on tentacle)
 w - a ring of stealth (on tentacle)
 A - a ring of magical power (right tentacle)
 E - the ring of Cualoaci (on tentacle) {+Inv Int+3}
   (You found it on level 2 of the Lair of Beasts)   
   
   [ring of invisibility]
   
   It affects your intelligence (+3).
   It lets you turn invisible.
 G - an uncursed ring of ice
 H - the ring "Dacuesum" (on tentacle) {rN+ Str+3}
   (You found it on level 8 of the Lair of Beasts)   
   
   [ring of positive energy]
   
   It affects your strength (+3).
   It protects you from negative energy.
 L - a ring of protection from fire (left tentacle)
 N - an amulet of resist corrosion (around mantle)
 W - the ring of Hisudgh (on tentacle) {MP+9 Str+2 SInv}
   (You found it on level 8 of the Lair of Beasts)   
   
   [ring of magical power]
   
   It affects your strength (+2).
   It affects your magic capacity (+9).
   It lets you see invisible.
 X - a ring of poison resistance (on tentacle)
Magical devices
 n - a wand of cold {zapped: 1}
 p - a wand of disintegration {zapped: 5}
 r - a wand of invisibility {zapped: 2}
 x - a wand of enslavement {zapped: 4}
 M - a wand of paralysis {zapped: 2}
 R - a wand of teleportation (8)
 T - a wand of polymorph (12)
 U - a wand of digging {zapped: 3}
 Y - a wand of fireball
Scrolls
 d - 6 scrolls of magic mapping
 e - 7 scrolls of teleportation
 j - a scroll of amnesia
 C - 4 scrolls of fear
 D - 2 scrolls of blinking
 F - 10 scrolls of remove curse
 J - 2 scrolls of vulnerability
 O - a scroll of immolation
Potions
 h - 4 potions of brilliance
 i - 7 potions of haste
 k - 4 potions of agility
 m - 4 potions of resistance
 t - 12 potions of curing
 u - a potion of magic
 v - 5 potions of might
 K - 3 potions of heal wounds
 P - a potion of cancellation
Miscellaneous
 l - a box of beasts
 z - a fan of gales
 B - a phial of floods
 V - a plain deck of summoning {drawn: 2}
Comestibles
 g - 10 bread rations
 q - 3 chunks of flesh
 S - a beef jerky
 Z - a meat ration


   Skills:
 + Level 9.4 Fighting
 + Level 10.5 Dodging
 - Level 2.6 Stealth
 - Level 5.0 Shields
 + Level 10.4 Spellcasting
 + Level 15.2 Conjurations
 - Level 5.0 Charms
 - Level 3.1 Summonings
 - Level 3.6 Translocations
 + Level 15.4 Air Magic
 - Level 5.0 Evocations


You have 3 spell levels left.
You know the following spells:

 Your Spells              Type           Power        Failure   Level  Hunger
a - Apportation           Tloc           ####......   1%          1    None
b - Static Discharge      Conj/Air       ######..     1%          3    None
c - Summon Lightning Spi  Summ/Air       ######..     1%          4    None
d - Lightning Bolt        Conj/Air       ######....   1%          5    ####...
e - Blink                 Tloc           N/A          1%          2    None
f - Airstrike             Air            ######....   1%          4    None
g - Poisonous Cloud       Conj/Pois/Air  ######....   4%          6    #####..
i - Repel Missiles        Chrm/Air       ######       1%          2    None
n - Swiftness             Chrm/Air       ######..     1%          2    None
r - Regeneration          Chrm/Necr      ###.......   6%          3    None


Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations

Branches:
Dungeon (15/15)            Temple (1/1) D:7            Lair (8/8) D:11
  Swamp (0/4) Lair:3       Spider (0/4) Lair:6        Slime (0/6) Lair:6
    Orc (4/4) D:9             Elf (3/3) Orc:3        Vaults (0/5) D:13
 Depths (0/5) D:15       

Altars:
Ashenzari
Cheibriados
Dithmenos
Elyvilon
Gozag
Kikubaaqudgha
Makhleb
Nemelex Xobeh
Okawaru
Qazlal
Ru
Sif Muna
Trog
Vehumet
Xom
Zin
The Shining One
Beogh
Jiyva

Shops:
D:4 [   D:5 =   D:6 [   D:14 [   D:15 }   Orc:4 }(:%   Elf:2 %

Annotations:
Orc:4 Haplo13's ghost, powerful MiGl
Elf:2 3 runed doors
Elf:3 exclusion: Roxanne, Roxanne


Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations

You cannot wear most types of armour.
You are amphibious.
You can wear up to eight rings at the same time.
You can use your tentacles to constrict eight enemies at once.
Your skin changes colour to match your surroundings (Stealth).
Your rubbery body absorbs attacks (AC +1).
One of your tentacles bears a spike.


Message History

a short sword of draining; a chain mail; an elf corpse
You butcher the elf corpse.
q - 3 chunks of flesh (gained 1)
Things that are here:
a short sword of draining; a chain mail
Your skin is crawling a little less now.
Your skin stops crawling.
You open the door.
There is an open door here.
You now have 3516 gold pieces (gained 16).
There is an open door here.
HP restored.
You now have 3537 gold pieces (gained 21).
Your pack is full.
You see here a wand of polymorph.
Okay, then.
Unknown command.
Unknown command.
Unknown command.
Unknown command.

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There are no monsters in sight!

[argonaut]

Full LOS Poison Arrow is great. With about 8 levels in poison magic almost everything dies as soon as it comes into view. It's pretty quiet too.

[Kolbur]

Staff of power is a very underrated item. It's useful for every char that uses any kind of spells regularly.

Poisonous cloud is enough. It's not very useful to have 2 cloud spells.

[byrel]

Poisonous cloud is enough. It's not very useful to have 2 cloud spells.

I mean, if there weren't branches full of poison-resistant-but-not-cold-resistant enemies, I might agree with you. But poisonous cloud is nearly useless in snake, while freezing cloud is amazing. Same for packs of slime creatures, and a lot of demons. Poisonous cloud falls off harder than freezing cloud does.

[Kolbur]

Poisonous cloud is enough. It's not very useful to have 2 cloud spells.

I mean, if there weren't branches full of poison-resistant-but-not-cold-resistant enemies, I might agree with you. But poisonous cloud is nearly useless in snake, while freezing cloud is amazing. Same for packs of slime creatures, and a lot of demons. Poisonous cloud falls off harder than freezing cloud does.

It's not like he doesn't have plenty of other options. 12 spell levels for 2 cloud spells which both drop off in usefulness later is a lot. At least he has the advantage of not having to train poison or ice for them.

But what he really should want at this point is chain lightning. Or tornado. Those are the real late game spells.

[byrel]

He doesn't need late game right now, he need Lair runes. Freezing cloud will get him Swamp. Poisonous cloud won't, and Chain lightning won't. He can probably get through OK with lightning spire and airstrike, but it'll be rough compared to what freezing cloud will do for him. It slows hydras and swamp drakes.

[Kolbur]

He doesn't need late game right now, he need Lair runes. Freezing cloud will get him Swamp. Poisonous cloud won't, and Chain lightning won't. He can probably get through OK with lightning spire and airstrike, but it'll be rough compared to what freezing cloud will do for him. It slows hydras and swamp drakes.

His entire setup is made for getting up spells like chain lightning early though. That's the point of Vehumet. Dunno if he has a ring or staff of wizardry but with it he almost could cast it already (Veh Wiz and item Wiz stacks without stepdown).

But you are right, Poisonous cloud is so not great in Swamp (it is in Spider). He might need an intermediate spell for that. Conjure Ball Lightning would work as well. Though I'm pretty sure he could do it with his current spell set too (Lightning bolt is not that bad).
I would definitely do Spider next and then think about how to deal with Swamp.

And then do Slime when Chain Lightning is up. That should be a walk in the park.

[bel]

Both p. cloud and f. cloud are good. I would forget p. cloud and learn f. cloud if you need spell slots. Btw. both cloud spells are great for the whole of a 3-rune game. If you have ignite poison, p.cloud might be a better choice.