CIP > YASD HaAM, too squishy

Friday, 8th May 2015, 19:07 by Aurelius

Code:: Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.16.1 (console) character file. KARASUNO the Vandal (Halfling Arcane Marksman) Turns: 11265, Time: 00:42:52 Health: 51/52 AC: 5 Str: 14 XL: 9 Next: 40% Magic: 18/18 EV: 14 Int: 14 God: Okawaru [*.....] Gold: 357 SH: 6 Dex: 15 Spells: 4 memorised, 4 levels left rFire . . . SeeInvis . j - +8 hunting sling {flame, Str+3} rCold . . . Clarity . y - +0 leather armour rNeg . . . SustAb . h - +0 buckler {reflect} rPois . Gourm . (no helmet) rElec . Spirit . (no cloak) rCorr . Warding . (no gloves) rMut . Stasis . u - +1 pair of boots MR ..... (no amulet) Stlth +......... (no ring) p - ring of wizardry @: not resistant to hostile enchantments, very unstealthy A: mutation resistance 1 a: Heroism, Renounce Religion You are on level 6 of the Dungeon. You worship Okawaru. Okawaru is aware of your devotion. You are not hungry. You have visited 2 branches of the dungeon, and seen 8 of its levels. You have collected 393 gold pieces. You have spent 36 gold pieces at shops. Inventory: Hand weapons j - the +8 hunting sling of Shriro (weapon) {flame, Str+3} (You found it on level 4 of the Dungeon) It causes projectiles fired from it to burn those they strike, causing extra injury to most foes and up to half again as much damage against particularly susceptible opponents. It affects your strength (+3). r - a dagger of electrocution Missiles b - 11 poisoned sling bullets c - 54 sling bullets e - 117 stones (quivered) k - 7 poisoned needles Armour h - a +0 buckler of reflection (worn) u - a +1 pair of boots (worn) w - a chain mail y - a +0 leather armour (worn) Jewellery p - a ring of wizardry (left hand) Magical devices a - a wand of disintegration Scrolls g - 2 scrolls of teleportation i - 6 scrolls of identify n - 3 scrolls of enchant weapon v - 2 scrolls of amnesia Potions m - 3 potions of might q - a potion of restore abilities Books d - a book of Debilitation Spells Type Level a - Corona Hexes 1 b - Slow Hexes 2 c - Inner Flame Hexes/Fire 3 d - Enslavement Hexes 4 e - Cause Fear Hexes 4 f - Leda's Liquefaction Hexes/Earth 4 l - a book of Battle Spells Type Level a - Infusion Charms 1 b - Shroud of Golubria Charms/Translocation 2 c - Song of Slaying Charms 2 d - Spectral Weapon Hexes/Charms 3 e - Regeneration Charms/Necromancy 3 t - a book of Burglary Spells Type Level a - Swiftness Charms/Air 2 b - Passwall Transmutation/Earth 3 c - Passage of Golubria Translocation 4 d - Lee's Rapid Deconstruction Earth 5 e - Invisibility Hexes 6 f - Darkness Hexes 7 Comestibles f - 3 bread rations o - a royal jelly x - a meat ration Skills: - Level 0.8 Fighting + Level 7.1 Slings - Level 2.1 Dodging - Level 3.2 Shields - Level 3.4 Spellcasting - Level 7.0 Hexes - Level 4.2 Charms - Level 3.3 Necromancy You have 4 spell levels left. You know the following spells: Your Spells Type Power Failure Level Hunger a - Corona Hex ###.... 1% 1 #...... b - Slow Hex ###..... 1% 2 ##..... c - Enslavement Hex ###..... 9% 4 #####.. d - Regeneration Chrm/Necr ##........ 9% 3 ###.... Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations Branches: Dungeon (7/15) Temple (1/1) D:6 Altars: Ashenzari Cheibriados Dithmenos Elyvilon Fedhas Gozag Makhleb Nemelex Xobeh Okawaru Qazlal Ru Sif Muna Vehumet Xom Yredelemnul Zin Shops: D:4 ! D:6 [ Annotations: D:6 Grinder Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations You are small and have problems with some larger weapons. You are somewhat resistant to further mutation. Message History The orc priest is moderately wounded. Firing (i - inventory. (,) - cycle): e - 117 stones (quivered) Press: ? - help, Shift-Dir - straight line, f/p - orc priest Aim: an orc priest, wielding a club and wearing a chain mail (moderately wounded) You shoot a stone. The stone hits the orc priest! The stone burns the orc priest. You kill the orc priest! Okawaru accepts your kill. Your Slings skill increases to level 7! You start resting. Some of the chunks of flesh in your inventory have rotted away. You start resting. e - 117 stones (gained 1) Things that are here: a club; a chain mail There isn't anything to butcher here. w - a chain mail You start resting. All of the chunks of flesh in your inventory have rotted away. Save game and exit? #......#.#.#....##..# ###..###. ##....#.#)#.#...###.# #..#... ## #.....#)>.#...## #.# ##..... .###....#.#.#.#..# #.## ##.####. ...#.#...#.#.#...# #..###).# #.. .....##...#.#....## #...(..## #.. ......#...........###.####.####.. ..#...............(..## ##)##..# ###.............@).[#######....## ##...............[#.#.........# ##....#...........#............## .....###........###..#.........## ....## ###..†.#####.............. ...)## ####.####..###.......... .....### ##.......# #.......... .......#####..####..# ##......... ..........#..## #..# ##........ There are no monsters in sight! Vanquished Creatures Menkaure (D:6) 2 ice beasts 2 orc warriors (D:6) A centaur (D:6) 3 ogres 2 sky beasts 3 scorpions A hound (D:6) A crimson imp (D:6) A quasit (D:7) A giant frog skeleton (D:4) 4 orc priests (D:6) 5 worker ants An iguana (D:7) Natasha (thrice) (D:6) 4 orc wizards 3 gnolls (D:6) 5 adders A shadow imp (D:6) 3 worms 5 giant geckos An ooze (D:3) 17 orcs A ball python (D:3) 2 bat skeletons 5 giant cockroaches 13 hobgoblins 14 jackals 12 kobolds 11 bats 5 giant newts 12 goblins A jackal skeleton (D:4) 2 quokkas (D:3) 14 rats 162 creatures vanquished. Notes Turn | Place | Note -------------------------------------------------------------- 0 | D:1 | KARASUNO, the Halfling Arcane Marksman, began the quest for the Orb. 0 | D:1 | Reached XP level 1. HP: 12/12 MP: 2/2 472 | D:1 | Reached XP level 2. HP: 18/18 MP: 3/3 930 | D:1 | Learned a level 2 spell: Slow 980 | D:1 | Reached skill level 1 in Shields 1121 | D:1 | Reached XP level 3. HP: 22/22 MP: 2/4 2864 | D:2 | Reached XP level 4. HP: 15/27 MP: 2/5 4002 | D:3 | Noticed a scorpion 4294 | D:3 | Reached XP level 5. HP: 28/32 MP: 5/7 4392 | D:3 | Reached skill level 4 in Hexes 5017 | D:3 | Killed a scorpion 5153 | D:4 | Reached XP level 6. HP: 37/37 MP: 5/8 5301 | D:4 | Found Ysatoil's Distillery. 5308 | D:4 | Bought a potion of lignification for 36 gold pieces 5362 | D:4 | Learned a level 4 spell: Enslavement 5384 | D:4 | Reached skill level 5 in Hexes 6084 | D:4 | Got a sapphire hunting sling 6085 | D:4 | Identified the +8 hunting sling of Shriro {flame, Str+3} (You found it on level 4 of the Dungeon) 6364 | D:4 | Reached skill level 6 in Hexes 6364 | D:4 | Reached XP level 7. HP: 42/42 MP: 7/9 6391 | D:4 | Found a white marble altar of Elyvilon. 6633 | D:5 | Entered Level 5 of the Dungeon 6726 | D:5 | Found a burning altar of Makhleb. 6728 | D:5 | Found a basalt altar of Yredelemnul. 6733 | D:5 | Found a sacrificial altar of Ru. 6750 | D:5 | Found a glowing silver altar of Zin. 6968 | D:5 | Reached skill level 7 in Hexes 7438 | D:6 | Reached XP level 8. HP: 20/47 MP: 10/12 8172 | D:6 | Learned a level 3 spell: Regeneration 8201 | D:6 | Noticed Menkaure 8216 | D:6 | Killed Menkaure 8425 | D:6 | Found a staircase to the Ecumenical Temple. 8431 | Temple | Entered the Ecumenical Temple 8481 | Temple | Became a worshipper of Warmaster Okawaru 8740 | D:6 | Reached skill level 1 in Charms 8808 | D:6 | HP: 1/47 [shadow imp/nerve-wracking pain (13)] 9074 | D:6 | Noticed Natasha 9076 | D:6 | Killed Natasha 9170 | D:6 | Acquired Okawaru's first power 9354 | D:6 | Noticed Natasha 9356 | D:6 | Killed Natasha 9390 | D:6 | Reached skill level 1 in Necromancy 9474 | D:6 | Reached XP level 9. HP: 38/52 MP: 14/18 9724 | D:6 | Found a stormy altar of Qazlal. 9798 | D:6 | Found Sakkacsi's Antique Armour Emporium. 10040 | D:6 | Found a shimmering altar of Xom. 10300 | D:6 | Noticed Natasha 10310 | D:6 | Killed Natasha 10339 | D:6 | Noticed Grinder 10361 | D:7 | Reached skill level 5 in Slings 10957 | D:7 | Found a shattered altar of Ashenzari. Action | 1- 3 | 4- 6 | 7- 9 || total -------------------------+-------+-------+-------++------- Melee: Hunting sling | | 1 | || 1 Fire: Hunting sling | 127 | 219 | 227 || 573 Cast: Corona | 30 | 41 | 14 || 85 Slow | 2 | 3 | || 5 Regeneration | | | 15 || 15 Invok: Heroism | | | 1 || 1 Use: Potion | 6 | 4 | 4 || 14 Scroll | 5 | 6 | 8 || 19 Eat: Chunk | 5 | 11 | 17 || 33 Royal jelly | 1 | | || 1 Beef jerky | | 1 | || 1

I really don't want to splat this guy, he's got tons of potential with all the stuff(Poweful branded sling,spellbooks with useful spells,loads of tele scrolls,reflect buckler,ring of wizardry) he's found in so little dungeon levels and I would hate for such a promising character to die because of me being dumb. My main problem really is my lack of AC, I've found 8+ tele scrolls which have saved my ass thus far but they're not gonna save it forever. When I fight a even slightly threatening monster (E.g. sky beasts, ice beasts) I get to low hp very very easily, giving me doubts about his survivability. Luckily, I found regenerate in one of the spellbooks which has been a big help and has saved me from death by orc warrior + shadow imp very narrowly. I sorta have a phobia of wearing heavy armor on casters though because I don't want spells I've relied on to crash in success rate. Advice would be much appreciated as I feel If I play him more I will definitely die.

Friday, 8th May 2015, 19:11 by Sar

It's squishy because you have no Fighting or Dodging trained.

Dagger of elec is a great backup weapon.

Friday, 8th May 2015, 19:14 by celem

For starters I'd turn on Fighting, you need the HP and im pretty sure its used for ranged accuracy as well as melee.

To be honest you have little in the way of offensive spells, enslavement perhaps. I'd be tempted to move up into ring mail, switch off slings and turn on shortblade. You have a dagger {elec} which is a top-tier weapon and a strong SBlade apt. If you can still Slow in scale mail then i'd even go that far. It wouldnt be so bad if you had some accessory slots...

Dont forget the buckler needs 9 skill to train off on a Ha. But its not a priority, I prefer to just power through with spell skills and go fix up that Shields skill later, especially since you already have Wiz. Your dodge will want to rise some before you start fixing Shield.

A promising start, play safe, soften stuff with the sling and then whack it with the dagger.

Friday, 8th May 2015, 19:15 by tasonir

You're missing the final ] on your code block.

Swiftness can probably help you get away from sky beasts and similar 10 speed monsters, but make sure you're somewhat close to stairs so you can escape before the -swift penalty kicks in. Overall you look pretty strong with that sling, you want to just keep doing the standard skilling: raise your weapon until it's killing things well, then train some defenses. I think min delay for slings is 12 skill? After that you'll probably want fighting and dodging, to make you less fragile. You could train some of them beforehand if you want, you don't have to rush to 12 slings, but 12 slings doesn't take long with +4 aptitude. I think it's 7 shield skill to have no penalties from your buckler, and you can train a bit more magic skills as well after your slings and defenses are trained.

Don't be afraid to use bullets/branded bullets for tough threats - stones are your most common ammo but slings are not the strongest ranged weapon and you'll need the boost from better ammo for tough targets.

Friday, 8th May 2015, 19:16 by Aurelius

Sar wrote:It's squishy because you have no Fighting or Dodging trained.

Dagger of elec is a great backup weapon.

I'm encountering more monsters which get me to low hp and force me to tele, which one gives better returns in a shorter amount of time ; fighting or dodging?

Friday, 8th May 2015, 19:19 by Sar

No idea, I would just train both. Probably Dodging is a bit more important though.

Do you use Hero? You should!

Edit: also stat gains should go in Dex.

Friday, 8th May 2015, 20:00 by Aurelius

Code:: Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.16.1 (console) character file. 5460 KARASUNO the Slicer (level 11, -1/62 HPs) Began as a Halfling Arcane Marksman on May 8, 2015. Was an Elder of Okawaru. Slain by an orc warrior ... wielding a +1 dire flail of crushing (10 damage) ... on level 8 of the Dungeon. The game lasted 01:07:08 (15499 turns). KARASUNO the Slicer (Halfling Arcane Marksman) Turns: 15499, Time: 01:07:08 Health: -1/62 AC: 9 Str: 11 XL: 11 Next: 0% Magic: 12/20 EV: 11 Int: 14 God: Okawaru [****..] Gold: 466 SH: 6 Dex: 16 Spells: 4 memorised, 6 levels left rFire . . . SeeInvis . r - +2 dagger (elec) rCold . . . Clarity . x - +0 scale mail rNeg . . . SustAb . h - +0 buckler {reflect} rPois . Gourm . C - +0 helmet rElec . Spirit . (no cloak) rCorr . Warding . (no gloves) rMut . Stasis . u - +1 pair of boots MR ..... (no amulet) Stlth .......... (no ring) p - ring of wizardry @: very slightly contaminated, not resistant to hostile enchantments, extremely unstealthy A: mutation resistance 1 a: Heroism, Renounce Religion You were on level 8 of the Dungeon. You worshipped Okawaru. Okawaru was greatly pleased with you. You were hungry. You visited 2 branches of the dungeon, and saw 11 of its levels. You collected 502 gold pieces. You spent 36 gold pieces at shops. Inventory: Hand weapons j - the +8 hunting sling of Shriro {flame, Str+3} (You found it on level 4 of the Dungeon) It causes projectiles fired from it to burn those they strike, causing extra injury to most foes and up to half again as much damage against particularly susceptible opponents. It affects your strength (+3). r - a +2 dagger of electrocution (weapon) Missiles b - 11 poisoned sling bullets c - 76 sling bullets e - 122 stones (quivered) k - 7 poisoned needles Armour h - a +0 buckler of reflection (worn) u - a +1 pair of boots (worn) w - a +0 chain mail x - a +0 scale mail (worn) y - a +0 leather armour C - a +0 helmet (worn) Jewellery p - a ring of wizardry (left hand) A - the ring of Diap {-Tele +Fly Str+4 Int+2 Dex+2} (You found it on level 7 of the Dungeon) [ring of flight] It affects your strength (+4). It affects your intelligence (+2). It affects your dexterity (+2). It lets you fly. It prevents most forms of teleportation. Magical devices a - a wand of disintegration (7) s - a wand of polymorph (10) Scrolls i - 5 scrolls of identify n - 3 scrolls of enchant weapon v - 5 scrolls of amnesia D - a scroll of remove curse Potions m - 2 potions of might q - 2 potions of restore abilities Books d - a book of Debilitation Spells Type Level a - Corona Hexes 1 b - Slow Hexes 2 c - Inner Flame Hexes/Fire 3 d - Enslavement Hexes 4 e - Cause Fear Hexes 4 f - Leda's Liquefaction Hexes/Earth 4 l - a book of Battle Spells Type Level a - Infusion Charms 1 b - Shroud of Golubria Charms/Translocation 2 c - Song of Slaying Charms 2 d - Spectral Weapon Hexes/Charms 3 e - Regeneration Charms/Necromancy 3 t - a book of Burglary Spells Type Level a - Swiftness Charms/Air 2 b - Passwall Transmutation/Earth 3 c - Passage of Golubria Translocation 4 d - Lee's Rapid Deconstruction Earth 5 e - Invisibility Hexes 6 f - Darkness Hexes 7 z - a book of Ice Spells Type Level a - Ice Form Ice/Transmutation 4 b - Metabolic Englaciation Hexes/Ice 5 c - Ozocubu's Refrigeration Ice 6 d - Bolt of Cold Conjuration/Ice 6 e - Freezing Cloud Conjuration/Ice/Air 6 f - Simulacrum Ice/Necromancy 6 E - a book of Transfigurations Spells Type Level a - Stoneskin Transmutation/Earth 2 b - Irradiate Conjuration/Transmutation 5 c - Statue Form Transmutation/Earth 6 d - Hydra Form Transmutation 6 e - Dragon Form Transmutation 7 Comestibles f - 4 bread rations g - a meat ration o - a royal jelly B - 8 chunks of flesh Skills: - Level 0.8 Fighting - Level 12.6 Short Blades + Level 8.0 Slings - Level 2.1 Dodging - Level 3.2 Shields - Level 3.4 Spellcasting - Level 7.0 Hexes - Level 4.2 Charms - Level 3.3 Necromancy You had 6 spell levels left. You knew the following spells: Your Spells Type Power Failure Level Hunger a - Corona Hex ###.... 4% 1 #...... b - Slow Hex ###..... 7% 2 ##..... c - Enslavement Hex ###..... 58% 4 #####.. d - Regeneration Chrm/Necr ##........ 58% 3 ###.... Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations Branches: Dungeon (10/15) Temple (1/1) D:6 Lair (0/8) D:10 Orc (0/4) D:9 Altars: Ashenzari Cheibriados Dithmenos Elyvilon Fedhas Gozag Kikubaaqudgha Makhleb Nemelex Xobeh Okawaru Qazlal Ru Sif Muna Vehumet Xom Yredelemnul Zin Shops: D:4 ! D:6 [ Annotations: D:6 Grinder D:9 Grum Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations You are small and have problems with some larger weapons. You are somewhat resistant to further mutation. Message History Casting: Enslavement Confirm with . or Enter, or press ? or * to list all spells. The spell is very dangerous to cast! Continue anyway? Aiming: Enslavement Press: ? - help, Shift-Dir - straight line, f/p - orc warrior Aim: an orc warrior, wielding a dire flail of crushing and wearing a plate armour (severely wounded, chance 51%) You miscast Enslavement. You are very lightly contaminated with residual magic. Your hands glow momentarily. You are feeling hungry. You block the orc warrior's attack. You hit the orc warrior but do no damage. The orc warrior is severely wounded. The orc warrior closely misses you. You barely miss the orc warrior. The orc warrior is severely wounded. You barely miss the orc warrior. The orc warrior is severely wounded. The orc warrior hits you with a dire flail of crushing! You die... ######### ## #.......# .. #@# #.# ## #o#####.##### #C##.........) #oo.....##### #.........# ###### ##.#.##.#.+ #..... #.#.##.# ###..... #.#.##.# #...o... #.#.##o###....... You could see a hill giant, an orc warrior and 2 orcs. Vanquished Creatures An ugly thing (D:9) A troll (D:9) A deep elf fighter (D:10) A wraith (D:9) 3 wolves Menkaure (D:6) 2 ice beasts 6 orc warriors A black bear (D:7) 2 centaurs 6 ogres 4 sky beasts 3 crocodiles (D:10) Blork the orc (D:9) 4 giant frogs 3 scorpions 2 hounds 2 crimson imps 3 wights (D:10) A quasit (D:7) A jelly (D:7) A giant frog skeleton (D:4) 7 orc priests 7 worker ants 3 iguanas Natasha (thrice) (D:6) 8 orc wizards A river rat (D:10) A worker ant zombie (D:8) 3 gnolls (D:6) 7 adders An orc skeleton (D:10) 2 shadow imps 3 worms 5 giant geckos An ooze (D:3) 38 orcs A ball python (D:3) 3 bat skeletons A bat zombie (D:7) 5 giant cockroaches 17 hobgoblins 14 jackals 15 kobolds 23 bats A giant gecko skeleton (D:7) 5 giant newts 14 goblins A jackal skeleton (D:4) 4 quokkas 25 rats A rat skeleton (D:10) 2 rat zombies (D:7) 272 creatures vanquished. Vanquished Creatures (others) An orc warrior (D:9) 3 fungi (D:10) A plant (D:10) 5 creatures vanquished. Grand Total: 277 creatures vanquished Notes Turn | Place | Note -------------------------------------------------------------- 0 | D:1 | KARASUNO, the Halfling Arcane Marksman, began the quest for the Orb. 0 | D:1 | Reached XP level 1. HP: 12/12 MP: 2/2 472 | D:1 | Reached XP level 2. HP: 18/18 MP: 3/3 930 | D:1 | Learned a level 2 spell: Slow 980 | D:1 | Reached skill level 1 in Shields 1121 | D:1 | Reached XP level 3. HP: 22/22 MP: 2/4 2864 | D:2 | Reached XP level 4. HP: 15/27 MP: 2/5 4002 | D:3 | Noticed a scorpion 4294 | D:3 | Reached XP level 5. HP: 28/32 MP: 5/7 4392 | D:3 | Reached skill level 4 in Hexes 5017 | D:3 | Killed a scorpion 5153 | D:4 | Reached XP level 6. HP: 37/37 MP: 5/8 5301 | D:4 | Found Ysatoil's Distillery. 5308 | D:4 | Bought a potion of lignification for 36 gold pieces 5362 | D:4 | Learned a level 4 spell: Enslavement 5384 | D:4 | Reached skill level 5 in Hexes 6084 | D:4 | Got a sapphire hunting sling 6085 | D:4 | Identified the +8 hunting sling of Shriro {flame, Str+3} (You found it on level 4 of the Dungeon) 6364 | D:4 | Reached skill level 6 in Hexes 6364 | D:4 | Reached XP level 7. HP: 42/42 MP: 7/9 6391 | D:4 | Found a white marble altar of Elyvilon. 6633 | D:5 | Entered Level 5 of the Dungeon 6726 | D:5 | Found a burning altar of Makhleb. 6728 | D:5 | Found a basalt altar of Yredelemnul. 6733 | D:5 | Found a sacrificial altar of Ru. 6750 | D:5 | Found a glowing silver altar of Zin. 6968 | D:5 | Reached skill level 7 in Hexes 7438 | D:6 | Reached XP level 8. HP: 20/47 MP: 10/12 8172 | D:6 | Learned a level 3 spell: Regeneration 8201 | D:6 | Noticed Menkaure 8216 | D:6 | Killed Menkaure 8425 | D:6 | Found a staircase to the Ecumenical Temple. 8431 | Temple | Entered the Ecumenical Temple 8481 | Temple | Became a worshipper of Warmaster Okawaru 8740 | D:6 | Reached skill level 1 in Charms 8808 | D:6 | HP: 1/47 [shadow imp/nerve-wracking pain (13)] 9074 | D:6 | Noticed Natasha 9076 | D:6 | Killed Natasha 9170 | D:6 | Acquired Okawaru's first power 9354 | D:6 | Noticed Natasha 9356 | D:6 | Killed Natasha 9390 | D:6 | Reached skill level 1 in Necromancy 9474 | D:6 | Reached XP level 9. HP: 38/52 MP: 14/18 9724 | D:6 | Found a stormy altar of Qazlal. 9798 | D:6 | Found Sakkacsi's Antique Armour Emporium. 10040 | D:6 | Found a shimmering altar of Xom. 10300 | D:6 | Noticed Natasha 10310 | D:6 | Killed Natasha 10339 | D:6 | Noticed Grinder 10361 | D:7 | Reached skill level 5 in Slings 10957 | D:7 | Found a shattered altar of Ashenzari. 11790 | D:7 | Reached skill level 1 in Short Blades 12424 | D:7 | Found an ancient bone altar of Kikubaaqudgha. 12427 | D:7 | Got a sparkling marble ring 12430 | D:7 | Identified the ring of Diap {-Tele +Fly Str+4 Int+2 Dex+2} (You found it on level 7 of the Dungeon) 12605 | D:7 | Reached skill level 5 in Short Blades 13098 | D:8 | Found a sand-covered staircase. 13259 | D:9 | Noticed Blork the orc 13321 | D:9 | Killed Blork the orc 13321 | D:9 | Reached XP level 10. HP: 49/57 MP: 17/19 13503 | D:10 | Entered Level 10 of the Dungeon 13523 | D:10 | Reached skill level 8 in Short Blades 13759 | D:9 | Reached skill level 9 in Short Blades 13842 | D:9 | Found a staircase to the Orcish Mines. 14017 | D:9 | Reached skill level 10 in Short Blades 14324 | D:10 | Reached skill level 11 in Short Blades 14766 | D:9 | Noticed a green ugly thing 14788 | D:9 | Killed a green ugly thing 14788 | D:9 | Reached skill level 12 in Short Blades 14813 | D:9 | Noticed Grum 14860 | D:10 | Found a staircase to the Lair. 14928 | D:9 | HP: 1/57 [orc warrior/trident (6)] 15431 | D:8 | Reached XP level 11. HP: 62/62 MP: 20/20 15434 | D:8 | Noticed a hill giant 15499 | D:8 | Slain by an orc warrior Action | 1- 3 | 4- 6 | 7- 9 | 10-12 || total -------------------------+-------+-------+-------+-------++------- Melee: Hunting sling | | 1 | | || 1 Dagger | | | | 42 || 42 Fire: Hunting sling | 127 | 219 | 363 | 214 || 923 Cast: Corona | 30 | 41 | 14 | || 85 Slow | 2 | 3 | 12 | 11 || 28 Regeneration | | | 15 | 3 || 18 Enslavement | | | | 5 || 5 Invok: Heroism | | | 2 | 4 || 6 Use: Potion | 6 | 4 | 4 | 2 || 16 Scroll | 5 | 6 | 12 | || 23 Eat: Chunk | 5 | 11 | 18 | 9 || 43 Royal jelly | 1 | | | || 1 Beef jerky | | 1 | | || 1 Meat ration | | | 1 | || 1 Pizza | | | | 1 || 1

Even though celems advice about getting scale mail and training short blades was really useful, I still splatted such a promising character. After the finest crawl play I've done (without any tele scrolls , blinking etc somehow didnt die at very very lowhp vs a massive horde of enemies with no corridors while I stairhopped and ran around for ALOT of turns until I was safe.) I thought the coast was clear, yeah no. Ran into a hill giant so I went down some stairs, there was a orc warrior waiting for me. If I had HW or pretty much any good consumable, I could have easily survived this encounter. But I didn't. Bummer. Its definitely my crappy play that caused this but I felt like I was playing a qazlal character at some points because I'm pretty sure I aggroed and killed every single monster on a level when I went down some stairs near the lair entrance which caused me to run around like a headless chicken for a very long time with low hp.

Friday, 8th May 2015, 20:04 by Sar

You could've probably survived if you used Heroism and trained more Fighting and Dodging instead of Short Blades. Hero gives +5 skill, you didn't really need 12 to get min delay, and your defences were awful. Also I am not sure I'd use a scale mail on this char, seems like it'd be easier to get EV in leather. With Hero and Dodging training you could have over 20 EV I think.

Friday, 8th May 2015, 20:11 by Aurelius

Sar wrote:You could've probably survived if you used Heroism and trained more Fighting and Dodging instead of Short Blades. Hero gives +5 skill, you didn't really need 12 to get min delay, and your defences were awful. Also I am not sure I'd use a scale mail on this char, seems like it'd be easier to get EV in leather. With Hero and Dodging training you could have over 20 EV I think.

Yeah, my awful defences definitely contributed to this death, when I play AM again , Ill probably do hexes to 6 > slings to 5/10> fighting + dodging . This is a learning experience I suppose, even though this char had pretty nice items generated ; It still can't save me from crappy play.

Friday, 8th May 2015, 20:34 by Sar

Honestly when I play those "weird hybrid" chars like AM, Sk, Wr, I just cast the spells I can cast with my starting skills if they can give me advantage (so definitely Infusion on Sk, maybe Blink on Wr, and AM has... Corona, right?) and skill them as melee (or ranged) characters until Lair or so. I'm not sure this is optimal, but it's easier than balancing between a bunch of buffs or hexes that don't really do damage on their own.

Friday, 8th May 2015, 20:34 by tasonir

How far away was the hill giant when you spotted him? If you had at least 4-5 tiles, you should be able to quiver your strongest ammo (probably just a sling bullet, steel sling bullet if you have any though), and with a +8 flaming sling and heroism, take him out in 5-6 hits. Heroism would put you over 12 for the min delay, so only 6 aut per shot. If he appeared 5 tiles away, after heroism he's 4 away, you still have ~7 shots (4.2 turns/42 aut) before he gets into melee range. He should be dead or nearly dead by then. You might have to spend a few turns in melee hitting him with either more sling bullets or the elec dagger, but not very long.

If you came around a corner and he showed up 1-2 tiles away, that's more of a "time to run" sort of deal, but one spotted far away is something you should be able to kill. 12.6 short blades is more than you need for a dagger's min delay (10 skill). I'd have probably not trained short blades or trained them to 5 or so (min delay with heroism up) and trained fighting/dodging for more survival.

Running away is a good general idea, running down stairs rather than up stairs is always risky.

Friday, 8th May 2015, 21:04 by celem

Crappy defenses aside. You cant toe-to-toe with a hill giant when you first meet them with anything but a plate-clad combat beastie. Shooting it down may well have worked as pointed out, but if he gets close you gotta be fleeing. If something then pops up behind you...yeah thats hard to escape from.

I do tend to follow much the same course as Sar, if you dont start with and intend to continue using offensive spells then I pretty much flat out fighting and a weapon skill along with dodge/armour as appropriate. Support spells work so much better when they are supporting gear you know how to use. Unfortunately this leaves you behind the power curve vs a pure melee start, but thats the price you pay for the specific gear/books/statline/skills you picked to start with.

The advice to go to scale was based mostly off the 'dont get hit, but if you do, maybe the gdr will take the sting off' school of thought. It does kinda nuke your dodge if you havent started training it yet, and the moment I go above Leather I start running Armour. But I find it quite handy for those moments where something wallops you (ogre you didnt see, gnoll with halberd) and you have to eat some damage.

Friday, 8th May 2015, 21:16 by Sar

"Never factor GDR in your armour choice" is a rule that never let me down.

Friday, 8th May 2015, 21:20 by celem

I'll take that and use it to temper my own.

"Never forget that AC is only half the sum"

Theres probably a middle-ground somewhere. Ringmail!

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