New Directions for Demonspawn Stabber

Monday, 30th March 2015, 12:12 by barretdolph

I had hoped to get a few stealth mutations for this one as I often get them but did not. So first I got up my short blade skills and am just now working on stealth etc. Not really anything exciting for mutations but at least no Demonic Guardian. I am now wondering if stabber is the right way to build him. With Ash's help I can still do a pretty good job at stabbing but the mutations make him more of an enhanced fighter than a stabber. Just not sure where to go with him. I did pick up a pain daggar so it might not be bad to develop necro skills and be an ok stabber as well. But still haven't got a quick blade and that would better with pain on it.

An unrelated question. Is a fan of gales worth grabbing for 400?

Code:: Darkness the Slicer (Demonspawn Enchanter) Turns: 15023, Time: 01:54:09 HP 63/86 AC 10 Str 9 XL: 12 Next: 25% MP 18/18 EV 22 Int 17 God: Ashenzari [****..] Gold 873 SH 7 Dex 23 Spells: 5 memorised, 2 levels left rFire . . . SeeInvis + F - +2 short sword (drain) (curse) rCold + . . Clarity + b - +1 robe (curse) rNeg . . . rCorr + r - +0 buckler (curse) rPois . rRot . Z - +1 hat (curse) rElec . Spirit . (no cloak) SustAb . Warding . f - +1 pair of gloves (curse) rMut . Stasis . (no boots) Gourm . (no amulet) MR ..... J - cursed +5 ring of dexterity y - cursed ring of protection from cold @: very slightly contaminated, not resistant to hostile enchantments, quite stealthy A: talons 2, yellow scales 3, powered by death 1, spiny 2 a: Scrying, Renounce Religion You are on level 3 of the Orcish Mines. You worship Ashenzari. Ashenzari is greatly pleased with you. You are not hungry. You have visited 3 branches of the dungeon, and seen 14 of its levels. You have also visited: Sewer. You have collected 1383 gold pieces. You have spent 510 gold pieces at shops. Inventory: Hand weapons C - a +1 dagger of electrocution F - a cursed +2 short sword of draining (weapon) K - a +2 dagger of pain Y - a +0 dagger of speed Missiles d - 3 silver tomahawks (quivered) n - 14 tomahawks Armour b - a cursed +1 robe (worn) f - a cursed +1 pair of gloves (worn) r - a cursed +0 buckler (worn) s - a +1 scale mail of cold resistance T - a +1 ring mail of poison resistance Z - a cursed +1 hat (worn) Magical devices a - a wand of paralysis {zapped: 2} e - a wand of fire {zapped: 6} j - a wand of polymorph {zapped: 13} p - a wand of hasting {zapped: 1} D - a wand of frost {zapped: 1} G - a wand of invisibility {empty} Q - a wand of magic darts {zapped: 2} X - a wand of digging {zapped: 1} Comestibles l - 7 fruits v - 3 meat rations x - 8 royal jellies L - 16 rotting chunks of orc flesh O - 10 slices of pizza R - a chunk of orc flesh Scrolls i - 3 scrolls of fear m - 3 scrolls of fog u - 2 scrolls of blinking w - 5 scrolls of magic mapping M - 2 scrolls of curse weapon P - 2 scrolls labeled DEEGEKLUYFE S - a scroll labeled PISCHI DYJANKA U - 4 scrolls of teleportation W - a scroll of remove curse Jewellery y - a cursed ring of protection from cold (left hand) A - an uncursed ring of teleportation J - a cursed +5 ring of dexterity (right hand) V - a cursed ring of wizardry Potions g - a potion of lignification o - 2 potions of brilliance t - a potion of cancellation z - 4 potions of curing B - a potion of flight H - a potion of agility N - a potion of magic Books c - a book of Maledictions Spells Type Level *Corona Hexes 1 Sure Blade Hexes/Charms 2 *Ensorcelled Hibernation Hexes/Ice 2 *Confuse Hexes 3 *Dazzling Spray Conjuration/Hexes 3 *Enslavement Hexes 4 h - a book of Frost Spells Type Level Freeze Ice 1 Throw Frost Conjuration/Ice 2 Ozocubu's Armour Charms/Ice 3 Throw Icicle Conjuration/Ice 4 Summon Ice Beast Ice/Summoning 4 Condensation Shield Ice 4 q - a book of Geomancy Spells Type Level Sandblast Earth 1 Stoneskin Transmutation/Earth 2 Passwall Transmutation/Earth 3 Stone Arrow Conjuration/Earth 3 Petrify Transmutation/Earth 4 Lee's Rapid Deconstruction Earth 5 Magical staves I - an uncursed staff of earth Skills: * Level 5.5 Fighting + Level 13.0(16.0) Short Blades Level 0.6(1.0) Slings - Level 1.0(1.1) Throwing - Level 7.8(10.1) Dodging * Level 6.1(8.4) Stealth - Level 3.9(6.0) Shields - Level 2.0 Spellcasting * Level 6.7(9.1) Hexes - Level 0.1(0.4) Ice Magic - Level 3.9(6.0) Evocations You have 2 spell levels left. You know the following spells: Your Spells Type Power Failure Level Hunger a - Corona Hex ####... 1% 1 #...... b - Ensorcelled Hibernat Hex/Ice ###... 4% 2 ###.... c - Dazzling Spray Conj/Hex ###..... 10% 3 ####... d - Confuse Hex ####.... 1% 3 ####... e - Enslavement Hex ####.... 6% 4 #####.. Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations Branches: Dungeon (10/15) Temple (1/1) D:5 Orc (3/4) D:10 Elf (0/3) Orc:3 Lair: D:8-11 Altars: Ashenzari Cheibriados Dithmenos Elyvilon Fedhas Kikubaaqudgha Makhleb Nemelex Xobeh Okawaru Qazlal Sif Muna Trog Vehumet Xom Yredelemnul Zin The Shining One Shops: D:2 * D:4 ( D:5 (%* D:10 *[* Annotations: D:5 exclusion: oklob sapling Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations You have razor-sharp toenails. You are completely covered in yellow scales (AC +4, rCorr). You can steal the life force of nearby defeated enemies. You are mostly covered in sharp spines. Message History Donald blocks your attack. Your kick misses Donald. Donald is almost dead. Donald blocks your attack. You claw Donald. You kill Donald! Your Short Blades skill increases to level 13! Your Stealth skill increases to level 6! No target in view! Items here: % ) [[ a +0 broad axe; a +0 chain mail; a +0 shield; the human corpse of Donald Okay, then. Items here: % ) [[ a +0 broad axe; a +0 chain mail; a +0 shield; the human corpse of Donald You now have 873 gold pieces (gained 22). Your extra speed is starting to run out. You smell something rotten. (slot L) You feel yourself slow down. You feel less regenerative. Done exploring. Char dumped to '/home/bear/.crawl/morgue/Darkness.txt'. 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Vanquished Creatures Donald (Orc:3) 2 orc warlords Snorg (Orc:1) The ghost of Darkness the Slicer, an experienced DsEn of Okawaru (D:9) The ghost of Darkness the Slicer, an experienced DsEn of Dithmenos (D:8) Pikel (D:7) The ghost of Darkness the Slicer, an experienced DsEn (D:6) A queen ant (D:10) 2 trolls (D:9) A queen bee (D:10) 2 two-headed ogres (D:10) 2 ravens (D:10) A spriggan (D:9) A wraith (D:10) 2 hippogriffs 9 yaks (D:10) Eustachio (D:4) 2 wyverns 4 wargs A hill giant skeleton (D:9) Edmund (D:7) 2 hungry ghosts (D:10) 4 soldier ants (D:10) A water moccasin (D:10) An ice beast (D:5) 11 ogres A phantom (D:10) A centaur (D:5) 7 orc warriors A sky beast (D:5) The ghost of Shadow the Sneak, an average DsAs (D:3) The ghost of Darkness the Cutter, an average DsEn (Sewer) A gnoll sergeant (D:5) 3 big kobolds (Sewer) 2 troll zombies 3 giant frogs 15 killer bees (D:10) 4 scorpions 4 wights (D:9) 5 crimson imps 2 giant frog zombies 14 orc priests 27 worker ants 3 hounds A jelly (D:10) 21 orc wizards An iguana (D:8) Natasha (thrice) (D:3) 5 ogre zombies (D:10) A mummy (D:9) 5 adders 7 gnolls A green rat (D:4) 5 giant mites An inept item mimic (D:7) 3 shadow imps 3 worms 6 giant geckos 102 orcs 6 giant cockroaches 27 goblins 10 hobgoblins 2 jackals (D:10) 7 quokkas 5 ball pythons 20 bats A giant gecko skeleton (D:7) 3 giant newts A hobgoblin skeleton (D:10) 3 hobgoblin zombies (D:10) 21 kobolds A kobold zombie (D:7) 8 orc skeletons 10 orc zombies 17 rats A rat skeleton (D:4) A plant (D:5) 461 creatures vanquished. Vanquished Creatures (others) A centaur (D:7) A hound (D:8) A bat (D:6) 3 giant spores 6 creatures vanquished. Grand Total: 467 creatures vanquished Notes Turn | Place | Note -------------------------------------------------------------- 0 | D:1 | Darkness, the Demonspawn Enchanter, began the quest for the Orb. 0 | D:1 | Reached XP level 1. HP: 13/13 MP: 3/3 9 | D:1 | Reached skill level 1 in Short Blades 302 | D:1 | Gained mutation: You are partially covered in yellow scales (AC +2). [demonic ancestry] 302 | D:1 | Reached XP level 2. HP: 16/19 MP: 4/4 680 | D:2 | Learned a level 2 spell: Ensorcelled Hibernation 745 | D:2 | Found Zin's Purification Station. 746 | D:2 | Found a glowing silver altar of Zin. 789 | D:2 | Reached XP level 3. HP: 20/24 MP: 6/6 1291 | D:2 | Gained mutation: You are partially covered in sharp spines. [demonic ancestry] 1291 | D:2 | Reached XP level 4. HP: 22/30 MP: 7/7 1379 | D:3 | Noticed Shadow's ghost (average DsAs) 1396 | D:3 | Killed Shadow's ghost 1396 | D:3 | Reached skill level 4 in Short Blades 1396 | D:3 | Reached XP level 5. HP: 28/35 MP: 9/9 1835 | D:3 | Noticed Natasha 1848 | D:3 | Killed Natasha 1910 | D:3 | Noticed Natasha 1930 | D:3 | Killed Natasha 2071 | D:3 | Reached skill level 5 in Short Blades 2434 | D:3 | Found a deep blue altar of Sif Muna. 2481 | D:3 | Noticed Natasha 2486 | D:3 | Killed Natasha 2655 | D:4 | Noticed Eustachio 2667 | D:4 | Killed Eustachio 2667 | D:4 | Gained mutation: You have sharp toenails. [demonic ancestry] 2667 | D:4 | Reached XP level 6. HP: 41/41 MP: 10/10 2678 | D:4 | Noticed Sigmund 2679 | D:4 | Noticed Sigmund 2679 | D:4 | Sigmund changed into Sigmund the worm 2685 | D:4 | Killed Sigmund the worm 2699 | D:4 | Found Schawk's Weapon Boutique. 2989 | D:4 | Found a glowing drain. 3006 | D:4 | Reached skill level 6 in Short Blades 3015 | D:4 | Reached skill level 1 in Evocations 3019 | Sewer | Entered a sewer 3155 | Sewer | Noticed Darkness' ghost (average DsEn) 3169 | Sewer | Killed Darkness' ghost 3169 | Sewer | Gained mutation: You have razor-sharp toenails. [demonic ancestry] 3169 | Sewer | Reached XP level 7. HP: 41/46 MP: 12/12 3348 | Sewer | Reached skill level 7 in Short Blades 3469 | D:4 | Found a glowing golden altar of the Shining One. 3645 | D:5 | Entered Level 5 of the Dungeon 3647 | D:5 | Found Vaxewic's Assorted Antiques. 3671 | D:5 | Bought an iron ring for 120 gold pieces 3740 | D:5 | Found a staircase to the Ecumenical Temple. 3933 | D:5 | Found Aryikeav's Antique Weapon Emporium. 3939 | D:5 | Found Gragauwk's Food Emporium. 3997 | D:5 | Reached skill level 8 in Short Blades 3997 | D:5 | Gained mutation: You are mostly covered in sharp spines. [demonic ancestry] 3997 | D:5 | Reached XP level 8. HP: 35/52 MP: 13/13 4120 | Temple | Entered the Ecumenical Temple 4195 | Temple | Became a worshipper of Ashenzari the Shackled 4228 | D:5 | HP: 1/52 [acid (17)] 4436 | D:5 | Learned a level 3 spell: Dazzling Spray 5167 | D:6 | Reached skill level 9 in Short Blades 5326 | D:6 | Noticed Darkness' ghost (experienced DsEn) 5348 | D:6 | Killed Darkness' ghost 5348 | D:6 | Reached skill level 10 in Short Blades 5590 | D:6 | Reached XP level 9. HP: 31/58 MP: 14/14 5929 | D:6 | Found a basalt altar of Yredelemnul. 5930 | D:6 | Found a shimmering altar of Xom. 5968 | D:6 | Reached skill level 1 in Fighting 6904 | D:7 | Reached skill level 1 in Throwing 6908 | D:7 | Reached skill level 1 in Shields 7036 | D:7 | Noticed Pikel 7053 | D:7 | Killed Pikel 7053 | D:7 | Reached skill level 11 in Short Blades 7102 | D:7 | Found a white marble altar of Elyvilon. 7102 | D:7 | Noticed Edmund 7115 | D:7 | Killed Edmund 7336 | D:8 | Noticed Darkness' ghost (experienced DsEn) 7389 | D:8 | Killed Darkness' ghost 7575 | D:8 | Acquired Ashenzari's first power 7655 | D:8 | Found a radiant altar of Vehumet. 7708 | D:8 | Gained mutation: You are mostly covered in yellow scales (AC +3). [demonic ancestry] 7708 | D:8 | Reached XP level 10. HP: 70/70 MP: 16/16 8729 | D:9 | Reached skill level 12 in Short Blades 8814 | D:9 | Found a bloodstained altar of Trog. 8858 | D:9 | Acquired Ashenzari's second power 8895 | D:9 | Noticed Darkness' ghost (experienced DsEn) 8917 | D:9 | Killed Darkness' ghost 9112 | D:9 | Learned a level 3 spell: Confuse 9861 | D:9 | Reached skill level 5 in Hexes 10268 | D:10 | Entered Level 10 of the Dungeon 10616 | D:10 | Found Boer's General Store. 10799 | D:10 | Gained mutation: You can steal the life force of nearby defeated enemies. [demonic ancestry] 10799 | D:10 | Reached XP level 11. HP: 53/76 MP: 18/18 10964 | D:10 | Bought a potion of beneficial mutation for 350 gold pieces 10966 | D:10 | Gained mutation: You are completely covered in yellow scales (AC +4, rCorr). [potion of beneficial mutation] 11242 | D:10 | Learned a level 4 spell: Enslavement 11297 | D:10 | Reached skill level 5 in Dodging 11406 | D:10 | Found a staircase to the Orcish Mines. 11734 | D:10 | Found Fyscheb's Assorted Antiques. 11764 | D:10 | Found Winetzae's Antique Armour Shop. 12402 | D:10 | Bought a scroll of identify for 20 gold pieces 12402 | D:10 | Bought a scroll of identify for 20 gold pieces 12510 | Orc:1 | Entered Level 1 of the Orcish Mines 12596 | Orc:2 | Noticed an orc warlord 12806 | Orc:1 | Killed an orc warlord 12806 | Orc:1 | Reached skill level 5 in Stealth 12967 | Orc:1 | HP: 1/78 [orc warrior/short sword (12)] 13250 | Orc:2 | Noticed an orc warlord 13304 | Orc:2 | Killed an orc warlord 13304 | Orc:2 | Reached skill level 5 in Fighting 13464 | Orc:1 | Found an iron altar of Okawaru. 13785 | Orc:1 | Noticed Snorg 13792 | Orc:1 | Killed Snorg 13792 | Orc:1 | Mutation became permanent: You are completely covered in yellow scales (AC +4, rCorr). [demonic ancestry] 13792 | Orc:1 | Reached XP level 12. HP: 86/86 MP: 18/18 13840 | Orc:1 | Acquired Ashenzari's third power 14397 | Orc:3 | Found a staircase to the Elven Halls. 14896 | Orc:3 | Noticed Donald 14960 | Orc:3 | Killed Donald 14960 | Orc:3 | Reached skill level 13 in Short Blades Action | 1- 3 | 4- 6 | 7- 9 | 10-12 || total -------------------------+-------+-------+-------+-------++------- Melee: Dagger | 135 | 151 | 26 | || 312 Unarmed | | 15 | | || 15 Short sword | | | 397 | 1145 || 1542 Fire: Hunting sling | 23 | | | || 23 Throw: Tomahawk | 9 | 5 | 11 | 41 || 66 Stone | | 2 | 5 | || 7 Cast: Ensorcelled Hiber | 1 | 4 | | || 5 Confuse | | | | 7 || 7 Dazzling Spray | | | | 5 || 5 Abil: Evoke Teleportati | | | 1 | || 1 Evoke: Wand | | 5 | 7 | 9 || 21 Use: Scroll | | 4 | 16 | 5 || 25 Potion | | 1 | 11 | 7 || 19 Stab: Sleeping | 2 | 3 | 5 | 24 || 34 Distracted | | | 1 | || 1 Confused | | | | 2 || 2 Invisible | | | | 2 || 2 Eat: Chunk | 1 | 7 | 3 | 12 || 23 Bread ration | | | 3 | 2 || 5 Fruit | | | | 2 || 2 Beef jerky | | | | 3 || 3

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Monday, 30th March 2015, 13:40 by barretdolph

Thank you moderator and my apologies for sloppy posting.

Monday, 30th March 2015, 13:50 by Sprucery

I'd keep on stabbing with the elec dagger. Yes, the fan is worth grabbing (train some more Evo every once in a while).

Monday, 30th March 2015, 14:17 by le_nerd

Stabbing with speed dagger gives you faster kills with EH (1EH+0.3-4attack), and with Confuse stabs you get more stabs in the same time in as well. You know how annoying it is that monsters stumble away from being adjacent to you? Well with speed dagger you get around 50% more stabbing opportunities before that, and before confuse wears off.

Monday, 30th March 2015, 15:12 by barretdolph

Sprucery wrote:I'd keep on stabbing with the elec dagger. Yes, the fan is worth grabbing (train some more Evo every once in a while).

Actually, I normally use the draining because it helps if I get mobbed. But I think I will keep stabbing as Ash is really quite nice to us stabbers.

Monday, 30th March 2015, 21:29 by rchandra

I'd use the elec dagger, drain is ok too. Pick up stuff from the book of Frost (freeze/ozo/icebeast) or geomancy (LRD/passwall/petrify/stoneskin). If you have any good necro spells than the pain dagger is amazing.
Stop training short blades, you might even have Ash remove some of that skill.

Tuesday, 31st March 2015, 00:10 by barretdolph

rchandra wrote:I'd use the elec dagger, drain is ok too. Pick up stuff from the book of Frost (freeze/ozo/icebeast) or geomancy (LRD/passwall/petrify/stoneskin). If you have any good necro spells than the pain dagger is amazing.
Stop training short blades, you might even have Ash remove some of that skill.

Yes, I realize I put too much into SB. Still figuring out how to do skills with Ash. It is very nice to have the skill boosts as a DS as they learn skills very slowly.

Wednesday, 1st April 2015, 13:41 by Lyrick

Corpse regen is very useful, in branches with corpses.

Eventually you'll probably want invisibility and haste. Darkness is also a good spell for stabbers (reduces line of sight and hence monster's ability to see you). Shadow creatures and Animate dead will give you some buddies to be meat shields or distractions.

Wednesday, 1st April 2015, 14:35 by barretdolph

Lyrick wrote:Corpse regen is very useful, in branches with corpses.

Eventually you'll probably want invisibility and haste. Darkness is also a good spell for stabbers (reduces line of sight and hence monster's ability to see you). Shadow creatures and Animate dead will give you some buddies to be meat shields or distractions.

Yes, I like Darkness. Of course three levels of it from mutations is even better!.

What kind of levels of Hexes do I need for invisibility? IMHO if a stabber can get them both up to decent levels Orc Mines and even Elvish Halls are not much of a problem. I will research shadow creatures and animate dead. I am usually fine against tough monsters but have more trouble with mobs. Thanks for your advice.

Wednesday, 1st April 2015, 16:31 by Lyrick

Whatever gets you to a safe failure rate. As in, white text for the % fail rate. Invisibility isn't a spell you should be using in combat, so it does not have to be super reliable. (I left it at yellow fail rate til they changed miscast effects to be much nastier)

Invisibility is not going to clear Elf:3 because many of the powerful deep elves can see invisible. For that, you can use throwing nets, or dig a kill-hole and hope for the best.

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