YAVP: MiBe; usual boring questions about weapons and armour

[gdami1]

Hello!

Here are a few question for this MiBe who frshly left Trog for TSO

1) Which weapon to bless? +9 demon-whip or +9 antimagic evening star ? Is antimagic efficient against panlord, helllords, etc?

2) I usually wear +8 FDA as I like to have average AC and EV, but I was wondering about GDA. Is it good?

Thanks

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Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.15.2 (tiles) character file.

Milky the Peltast (Minotaur Berserker)             Turns: 55800, Time: 01:59:51

HP  74/202       AC 36     Str 27      XL: 21   Next: 55%
MP   2/2         EV 23     Int  7      God: the Shining One [****..]
Gold 2905        SH 26     Dex 19      Spells:  0 memorised, 20 levels left

rFire  . . .     SeeInvis +     i - +8 eveningstar (antimagic)
rCold  . . .     Clarity  .     r - +6 chain mail of the World {Stlth+}
rNeg   + + .     rCorr    .     R - +0 large shield
rPois  +         rRot     .     O - +3 crown of Dyrovepreva {rElec Int+2 SInv}
rElec  +         Spirit   .     x - +2 cloak "Twinimia" {Dex+2 SInv Stlth+}
SustAb .         Warding  .     F - +2 pair of gloves {Str+3}
rMut   .         Stasis   .     y - +2 pair of boots
Gourm  .                        I - cursed amulet of faith
MR     ++...                    m - cursed ring of poison resistance
                                q - ring of protection from magic

@: exhausted, slowed, glowing, very slow, very resistant to hostile
enchantments, extremely unstealthy
A: retaliatory headbutt, horns 2, spit poison 1
a: Spit Poison, Divine Shield, Cleansing Flame, Renounce Religion
}: 2/15 runes: serpentine, barnacled


You are on level 1 of the Crypt.
You worship the Shining One.
The Shining One is greatly pleased with you.
You are not hungry.

You have visited 8 branches of the dungeon, and seen 46 of its levels.
You have also visited: Labyrinth and Sewer.

You have collected 4689 gold pieces.
You have spent 1784 gold pieces at shops.

Inventory:

Hand weapons
 a - a +9 demon whip of electrocution
 i - a +8 antimagic eveningstar (weapon)
Armour
 o - an ice dragon hide
 r - the +6 chain mail of the World (worn) {Stlth+}
   (You found it on level 2 of the Vaults)   
   
   It makes you more stealthy.
 x - the +2 cloak "Twinimia" (worn) {Dex+2 SInv Stlth+}
   (You acquired it on level 4 of the Orcish Mines)   
   
   It affects your dexterity (+2).
   It enhances your eyesight.
   It makes you more stealthy.
 y - a +2 pair of boots (worn)
 F - a +2 pair of gloves of strength (worn)
 H - a +0 storm dragon armour
 O - the cursed +3 crown of Dyrovepreva (worn) {rElec Int+2 SInv}
   (You found it in a labyrinth)   
   
   It affects your intelligence (+2).
   It insulates you from electricity.
   It enhances your eyesight.
   It has a curse placed upon it.
 Q - a +0 fire dragon armour
 R - a +0 large shield (worn)
Magical devices
 b - a wand of teleportation (9)
 s - a wand of lightning {zapped: 4}
 w - a wand of slowing
 A - a wand of fire
 P - a wand of digging (13)
Comestibles
 c - 14 bread rations
 t - 13 meat rations
Scrolls
 k - 5 scrolls of magic mapping
 u - 15 scrolls of teleportation
 z - 12 scrolls of remove curse
 B - a scroll of brand weapon
 C - 3 scrolls of fear
 E - 4 scrolls of blinking
 G - 3 scrolls of fog
 J - 3 scrolls of amnesia
 K - a scroll of summoning
 Z - 10 scrolls of identify
Jewellery
 m - a cursed ring of poison resistance (right hand)
 n - an uncursed ring of protection from magic
 q - a ring of protection from magic (left hand)
 I - a cursed amulet of faith (around neck)
Potions
 d - 7 potions of heal wounds
 e - 4 potions of might
 f - 2 potions of resistance
 g - 3 potions of magic
 j - 5 potions of curing
 l - a potion of cure mutation
 p - 5 potions of flight
 v - 5 potions of restore abilities
 M - a potion of brilliance
 S - 2 potions of cancellation
 T - a potion of lignification
 V - a potion of agility
 X - 6 potions of berserk rage


   Skills:
 + Level 20,7 Fighting
 - Level 17,3 Maces & Flails
 + Level 20,8 Armour
 + Level 19,4 Dodging
 + Level 22,8 Shields

[Berder]

Bless the demon whip. If you bless the evening star you'll lose antimagic, which is indeed good against panlords and other dangerous spellcasting enemies.

To decide between FDA and GDA, try them each on. Then you can use fsim to decide which is better, or else refer to the table of values in viewtopic.php?f=5&t=14963 . GDA is probably better.

[nago]

Personally, I'd wear the fda, provided you have a decent source of rc+ to offset the rc- because spellcasting would be faster - and I get blink asap, because it's quite good to get away from a posse of berserking giants spawned around you, which isn't usually an healthy thing.
Also, considered you don't have any source of haste (!!!), I'd stop to train anything else, equip a shield instead a large shield and start to train charms to get it - hoping you don't have burned all the books containing those two spells

[Sar]

With 27 Str and almost 23 in Shields wouldn't large shield penalty be negligible?

[nago]

Whups, most probably yes I don't know why but I've read 19,4 shields instead of 19,4 dodging

[gdami1]

Pfiou, I now have 14 runes

I wear GDA, it's quite good and I still have decent EV thanks to Shaolin Ring. But casting Haste is a real pain with it and low Int!

I'm going for tomb, think I'm gonna wear SustAb or I will be brainless quickly.

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 Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.15.2 (tiles) character file.

Milky the Minotaur Barricade (Minotaur Berserker) Turns: 108071, Time: 04:48:00

HP 177/266 (273) AC 57     Str 25      XL: 27
MP  40/40        EV 35     Int  5 (9)  God: the Shining One [******]
Gold 4872        SH 35     Dex 21      Spells:  4 memorised, 32 levels left

rFire  + + +     SeeInvis +     a - +9 Blessed Scourge
rCold  + + +     Clarity  .     y - +12 gold dragon armour
rNeg   + + +     rCorr    .     R - +8 large shield
rPois  +         rRot     .     O - +3 crown of Dyrovepreva {rElec Int+2 SInv}
rElec  +         Spirit   .     x - +2 cloak "Twinimia" {Dex+2 SInv Stlth+}
SustAb .         Warding  .     m - +5 pair of gloves of Impressiveness {+Blink rC++}
rMut   +         Stasis   .     M - +2 pair of boots {run}
Gourm  .                        L - amulet of resist mutation
MR     ++...                    I - ring of Shaolin {EV+8}
                                W - ring "Hiofod" {rF++ rN+ Int+2}

@: glowing, studying Evocations, quick, very resistant to hostile enchantments,
extremely unstealthy
A: retaliatory headbutt, horns 2
a: Divine Shield, Cleansing Flame, Summon Divine Warrior, Renounce Religion,
Evoke Blink
}: 14/15 runes: serpentine, barnacled, slimy, silver, iron, obsidian, icy, bone,
abyssal, demonic, glowing, magical, fiery, dark


You are in Pandemonium.
You worship the Shining One.
The Shining One is exalted by your worship.
You are not hungry.

You have visited 18 branches of the dungeon, and seen 93 of its levels.
You have visited Pandemonium 2 times, and seen 32 of its levels.
You have visited the Abyss 2 times.
You have visited 1 Ziggurat, and seen 14 of its levels.
You have also visited: Labyrinth, Sewer and Wizlab.

You have collected 15242 gold pieces.
You have spent 6172 gold pieces at shops.
You have donated 4198 gold pieces to Zin.

Inventory:

Hand weapons
 a - a +9 Blessed Scourge (weapon)
 i - a +9 antimagic eveningstar
Armour
 m - the +5 pair of gloves of Impressiveness (worn) {+Blink rC++}
   (You found it on level 6 of the Pits of Slime)   
   
   It greatly protects you from cold.
   It lets you blink.
 x - the +2 cloak "Twinimia" (worn) {Dex+2 SInv Stlth+}
   (You acquired it on level 4 of the Orcish Mines)   
   
   It affects your dexterity (+2).
   It enhances your eyesight.
   It makes you more stealthy.
 y - a +12 gold dragon armour (worn)
 M - a +2 pair of boots of running (worn)
 O - the +3 crown of Dyrovepreva (worn) {rElec Int+2 SInv}
   (You found it in a labyrinth)   
   
   It affects your intelligence (+2).
   It insulates you from electricity.
   It enhances your eyesight.
 R - a +8 large shield (worn)
Magical devices
 b - a wand of teleportation (9)
 A - a wand of enslavement
 P - a wand of digging (14)
Comestibles
 c - 15 bread rations
 t - 13 meat rations
Scrolls
 k - 5 scrolls of magic mapping
 s - 8 scrolls of recharging
 u - 16 scrolls of teleportation
 z - 34 scrolls of remove curse
 B - 2 scrolls of silence
 C - 9 scrolls of fear
 E - 5 scrolls of blinking
 G - 11 scrolls of fog
 K - 3 scrolls of summoning
 N - 3 scrolls of holy word
 Z - 4 scrolls of identify
Jewellery
 h - the cursed ring of the Original Sin {rF+ MR+}
   (You found it on level 7 of Tartarus)   
   
   [ring of protection from magic]
   
   It protects you from fire.
   It affects your resistance to hostile enchantments.
   It has a curse placed upon it.
 l - an uncursed amulet of clarity
 p - the brooch of Shielding {Ward rN+ AC+4 EV+4}
   (You found it on level 7 of Gehenna)   
   
   [amulet of warding]
   
   It may prevent the melee attacks of summoned creatures.
   It affects your AC (+4).
   It affects your evasion (+4).
   It protects you from negative energy.
 q - a cursed ring of protection from magic
 r - the ring "Clushr Skyhie" {+Fly rPois rC+ MR++}
   (You found it on level 12 of a ziggurat)   
   
   [ring of flight]
   
   It protects you from cold.
   It protects you from poison.
   It affects your resistance to hostile enchantments.
   It lets you fly.
 w - a +4 ring of slaying
 I - the ring of Shaolin (right hand) {EV+8}
   (You took it off a deep elf knight on level 3 of the Elven Halls)   
   
   [ring of evasion]
   
   It affects your evasion (+8).
 J - the amulet of Schorobe {Spirit +Inv rC++ Slay+4 SInv Stlth+}
   (You bought it in a shop on level 1 of the Depths)   
   
   [amulet of guardian spirit]
   
   It causes incoming damage to be split between your health and magic.
   It affects your accuracy and damage with ranged weapons and melee attacks
   (+4).
   It greatly protects you from cold.
   It enhances your eyesight.
   It lets you turn invisible.
   It makes you more stealthy.
 L - an amulet of resist mutation (around neck)
 W - the ring "Hiofod" (left hand) {rF++ rN+ Int+2}
   (You found it on level 9 of a ziggurat)   
   
   [ring of intelligence]
   
   It affects your intelligence (+2).
   It greatly protects you from fire.
   It protects you from negative energy.
Potions
 d - 4 potions of heal wounds
 e - 4 potions of might
 f - 4 potions of resistance
 j - 3 potions of curing
 n - a potion of invisibility
 o - a potion of haste
 v - 5 potions of restore abilities
 D - a potion of brilliance
 S - 4 potions of cancellation
 T - a potion of lignification
 U - a potion of magic
 V - 4 potions of agility
 Y - 2 potions of cure mutation
Books
 g - a manual of Evocations


   Skills:
 O Level 27 Fighting
 O Level 27 Maces & Flails
 O Level 27 Armour
 O Level 27 Dodging
 + Level 7,5 Stealth
 O Level 27 Shields
 - Level 13,1 Spellcasting
 - Level 18,2 Charms
 - Level 6,0 Translocations
 + Level 17,0 Invocations


You have 32 spell levels left.
You know the following spells:

 Your Spells              Type           Power        Failure   Level  Hunger
a - Flight                Chrm/Air       ##........   14%         3    ###....
b - Haste                 Chrm           ###.....     14%         6    #######
c - Controlled Blink      Tloc           N/A          100%        7    #######
d - Control Teleport      Chrm/Tloc      ###.......   12%         4    ####...

[gdami1]

I won, 15 runes, thanks for advice

tip: do not forget to put back your rF++ ring before battling three OoF at the same time!

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 Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.15.2 (tiles) character file.

12688846 Milky the Minotaur Barricade (level 27, 193/203 (245) HPs)
             Began as a Minotaur Berserker on Jan 28, 2015.
             Was the Champion of the Shining One.
             Escaped with the Orb
             ... and 15 runes on Jan 29, 2015!
             
             The game lasted 05:31:14 (127368 turns).

Milky the Minotaur Barricade (Minotaur Berserker) Turns: 127368, Time: 05:31:14

HP 193/203 (245) AC 57     Str 25      XL: 27
MP  14/14        EV 35     Int  9      God: the Shining One [******]
Gold 6952        SH 35     Dex 21      Spells:  5 memorised, 30 levels left

rFire  + + +     SeeInvis +     i - +9 eveningstar (antimagic)
rCold  + + +     Clarity  .     y - +12 gold dragon armour
rNeg   + + +     rCorr    .     R - +8 large shield
rPois  +         rRot     .     O - +3 crown of Dyrovepreva {rElec Int+2 SInv}
rElec  +         Spirit   .     x - +2 cloak "Twinimia" {Dex+2 SInv Stlth+}
SustAb .         Warding  .     m - +5 pair of gloves of Impressiveness {+Blink rC++}
rMut   +         Stasis   .     M - +2 pair of boots {run}
Gourm  .                        L - amulet of resist mutation
MR     ++...                    I - ring of Shaolin {EV+8}
                                W - ring "Hiofod" {rF++ rN+ Int+2}

@: glowing, quick, very resistant to hostile enchantments, extremely unstealthy
A: retaliatory headbutt, horns 2, frail 1
a: Divine Shield, Cleansing Flame, Summon Divine Warrior, Renounce Religion,
Evoke Blink
0: Orb of Zot
}: 15/15 runes: serpentine, barnacled, slimy, silver, golden, iron, obsidian,
icy, bone, abyssal, demonic, glowing, magical, fiery, dark


You escaped.
You worshipped the Shining One.
The Shining One was exalted by your worship.
You were not hungry.

You visited 18 branches of the dungeon, and saw 97 of its levels.
You visited Pandemonium 2 times, and saw 32 of its levels.
You visited the Abyss 3 times.
You visited 1 Ziggurat, and saw 14 of its levels.
You also visited: Labyrinth, Sewer and Wizlab.

You collected 17864 gold pieces.
You spent 6714 gold pieces at shops.
You donated 4198 gold pieces to Zin.

Inventory:

Hand weapons
 a - a +9 Blessed Scourge
 i - a +9 antimagic eveningstar (weapon)
Armour
 m - the +5 pair of gloves of Impressiveness (worn) {+Blink rC++}
   (You found it on level 6 of the Pits of Slime)   
   
   It greatly protects you from cold.
   It lets you blink.
 x - the +2 cloak "Twinimia" (worn) {Dex+2 SInv Stlth+}
   (You acquired it on level 4 of the Orcish Mines)   
   
   It affects your dexterity (+2).
   It enhances your eyesight.
   It makes you more stealthy.
 y - a +12 gold dragon armour (worn)
 M - a +2 pair of boots of running (worn)
 O - the +3 crown of Dyrovepreva (worn) {rElec Int+2 SInv}
   (You found it in a labyrinth)   
   
   It affects your intelligence (+2).
   It insulates you from electricity.
   It enhances your eyesight.
 R - a +8 large shield (worn)
Magical devices
 b - a wand of teleportation (9)
 h - a wand of digging (15)
 P - a wand of digging (13)
Comestibles
 c - 9 bread rations
 j - a slice of pizza
 t - 11 meat rations
Scrolls
 s - 8 scrolls of recharging
 u - 15 scrolls of teleportation
 z - 35 scrolls of remove curse
 B - 2 scrolls of silence
 C - 9 scrolls of fear
 E - 5 scrolls of blinking
 F - 2 scrolls of identify
 G - 12 scrolls of fog
 K - 3 scrolls of summoning
Jewellery
 l - a cursed amulet of clarity
 p - the brooch of Shielding {Ward rN+ AC+4 EV+4}
   (You found it on level 7 of Gehenna)   
   
   [amulet of warding]
   
   It may prevent the melee attacks of summoned creatures.
   It affects your AC (+4).
   It affects your evasion (+4).
   It protects you from negative energy.
 q - a +2 ring of strength
 r - the cursed ring "Clushr Skyhie" {+Fly rPois rC+ MR++}
   (You found it on level 12 of a ziggurat)   
   
   [ring of flight]
   
   It protects you from cold.
   It protects you from poison.
   It affects your resistance to hostile enchantments.
   It lets you fly.
   It has a curse placed upon it.
 w - a +4 ring of slaying
 A - an uncursed ring of sustain abilities
 H - a cursed amulet of stasis
 I - the ring of Shaolin (right hand) {EV+8}
   (You took it off a deep elf knight on level 3 of the Elven Halls)   
   
   [ring of evasion]
   
   It affects your evasion (+8).
 J - the cursed amulet of Schorobe {Spirit +Inv rC++ Slay+4 SInv Stlth+}
   (You bought it in a shop on level 1 of the Depths)   
   
   [amulet of guardian spirit]
   
   It causes incoming damage to be split between your health and magic.
   It affects your accuracy and damage with ranged weapons and melee attacks
   (+4).
   It greatly protects you from cold.
   It enhances your eyesight.
   It lets you turn invisible.
   It makes you more stealthy.
   It has a curse placed upon it.
 L - an amulet of resist mutation (around neck)
 W - the ring "Hiofod" (left hand) {rF++ rN+ Int+2}
   (You found it on level 9 of a ziggurat)   
   
   [ring of intelligence]
   
   It affects your intelligence (+2).
   It greatly protects you from fire.
   It protects you from negative energy.
Potions
 d - a potion of heal wounds
 e - 4 potions of might
 f - 3 potions of resistance
 g - a potion of berserk rage
 n - a potion of invisibility
 o - a potion of haste
 v - 2 potions of restore abilities
 D - 2 potions of brilliance
 N - a potion of curing
 Q - a potion of flight
 T - a potion of lignification
 V - 4 potions of agility
 Y - a potion of cure mutation


   Skills:
 O Level 27 Fighting
 O Level 27 Maces & Flails
 O Level 27 Armour
 O Level 27 Dodging
 - Level 9,0 Stealth
 O Level 27 Shields
 - Level 13,1 Spellcasting
 + Level 18,6 Charms
 - Level 6,0 Translocations
 O Level 27 Invocations


You had 30 spell levels left.
You knew the following spells:

 Your Spells              Type           Power        Failure   Level  Hunger
a - Flight                Chrm/Air       ###.......   10%         3    ##.....
b - Haste                 Chrm           #####...     12%         6    #######
c - Controlled Blink      Tloc           N/A          100%        7    #######
d - Control Teleport      Chrm/Tloc      ####......   10%         4    ####...
e - Blink                 Tloc           N/A          17%         2    None