New newbie here seeking help for my MiGl

Tuesday, 6th January 2015, 12:36 by Garacaius

Hello, I have been playing Crawl on and off for years, dipping in for a few deaths and then out again, I've never made it very far and until recently used to die very early on.

Anyway, I am currently playing a Minotaur Gladiator and am stumped as to where to go next (I've never had a character higher than level 11 before lol), I've cleared the Orc and Lair branches and I dipped into a couple of other branches to test the water as it were (Slime and Snake I believe). I'm kinda skittish about it though as I dont know whats around the corner, so any advice on where I should head next or what equipment/training I need to be keeping an eye out for would be great.

I'll dump my char here... like so..

Code:: Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.15.2 (tiles) character file. Butter the Tortoise (Minotaur Gladiator) Turns: 31752, Time: 02:04:58 HP 139/139 AC 29 Str 26 XL: 15 Next: 69% MP 21/21 EV 19 Int 8 God: Okawaru [******] Gold 1054 SH 0 Dex 19 Spells: 0 memorised, 14 levels left rFire + . . SeeInvis + F - +6 lajatang of the Slime-mold {slice, rElec rF+ Int+3} rCold + . . Clarity . j - +5 chain mail "Biciomir" {rPois rC+ Slay+5} rNeg . . . rCorr . (no shield) rPois + rRot . p - +2 hat "Ohurebb" {Str+4 Dex-2} rElec + Spirit + s - +1 cloak "Kacraunur" {SInv Curse} SustAb . Warding . k - +0 pair of gloves rMut . Stasis . L - +2 pair of boots {run} Gourm . C - amulet of guardian spirit MR ++... K - ring of protection from magic G - +6 ring of dexterity @: very slightly contaminated, hasted, very quick, very resistant to hostile enchantments, extremely unstealthy A: retaliatory headbutt, horns 2, blurry vision 1, low mp 1 a: Heroism, Finesse, Renounce Religion You are on level 1 of the Lair of Beasts. You worship Okawaru. Okawaru is exalted by your worship. You are completely stuffed. You have visited 5 branches of the dungeon, and seen 27 of its levels. You have also visited: Ice Cave and Volcano. You have collected 2933 gold pieces. You have spent 1879 gold pieces at shops. Inventory: Hand weapons t - a +4 quarterstaff of speed F - the +6 lajatang of the Slime-mold (weapon) {slice, rElec rF+ Int+3} (You bought it in a shop on level 8 of the Dungeon) It inflicts extra damage upon your enemies. It affects your intelligence (+3). It protects you from fire. It insulates you from electricity. Armour j - the +5 chain mail "Biciomir" (worn) {rPois rC+ Slay+5} (Okawaru gifted it to you on level 8 of the Lair of Beasts) It affects your accuracy and damage with ranged weapons and melee attacks (+5). It protects you from cold. It protects you from poison. k - a +0 pair of gloves (worn) p - the +2 hat "Ohurebb" (worn) {Str+4 Dex-2} (Okawaru gifted it to you on level 4 of the Orcish Mines) It affects your strength (+4). It affects your dexterity (-2). r - a +0 shield of reflection s - the +1 cloak "Kacraunur" (worn) {SInv Curse} (You bought it in a shop on level 1 of the Orcish Mines) It enhances your eyesight. It may recurse itself when equipped. L - a +2 pair of boots of running (worn) Magical devices d - a wand of lightning (4) D - a wand of digging (10) H - a wand of hasting (3) M - a wand of fire (12) Comestibles a - 2 beef jerkies c - 20 royal jellies f - 16 bread rations Scrolls h - 8 scrolls of teleportation q - 2 scrolls of fear w - 4 scrolls of remove curse y - 5 scrolls of fog Y - 4 scrolls of blinking Jewellery b - the ring "Teakh" {rElec rC+ SInv} (You found it on level 2 of the Lair of Beasts) [ring of see invisible] It protects you from cold. It insulates you from electricity. It enhances your eyesight. g - an uncursed ring of fire m - an uncursed amulet of warding o - an uncursed ring of protection from cold C - an amulet of guardian spirit (around neck) G - a +6 ring of dexterity (left hand) K - a ring of protection from magic (right hand) Q - the ring "Psay" {rC+ rN+} (You found it in an ice cave) [ring of protection from cold] It protects you from cold. It protects you from negative energy. Potions i - 4 potions of agility n - a potion of invisibility u - 2 potions of resistance v - 2 potions of berserk rage A - 2 potions of haste I - a black potion R - a potion of restore abilities X - 7 potions of curing Miscellaneous e - a lamp of fire B - a lamp of fire Skills: + Level 14.7 Fighting - Level 15.3 Staves - Level 2.0 Throwing + Level 16.7 Armour - Level 15.0 Dodging + Level 9.2 Evocations You have 14 spell levels left. You don't know any spells. Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations Branches: Dungeon (11/15) Temple (0/1) D:6 Orc (4/4) D:11 Elf (0/3) Orc:3 Lair (8/8) D:11 Swamp (0/5) Lair:3 Snake (2/5) Lair:3 Slime (2/6) Lair:8 Altars: Ashenzari Kikubaaqudgha Makhleb Nemelex Xobeh Okawaru Qazlal Trog Vehumet Yredelemnul Zin Beogh Shops: D:4 } D:8 ( Orc:1 [ Orc:4 =*[(: Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations You reflexively headbutt those who attack you in melee. You have a pair of horns on your head. Your vision is a little blurry. Your magical capacity is low (-10% MP). Message History an uncursed ring of wizardry You drop an uncursed ring of poison resistance. K - an uncursed ring of protection from magic g - an uncursed ring of fire K - a ring of protection from magic (right hand) You are now empty-handed. You are already empty-handed. You are already empty-handed. F - the +6 lajatang of the Slime-mold (weapon) {slice, rElec rF+ Int+3} Zapping: H - a wand of hasting {zapped: 2} Press: ? - help, Shift-Dir - straight line, f - you You feel yourself speed up. You are very lightly contaminated with residual magic. Your skill with magical items lets you calculate the power of this device... This wand has 3 charges left. Char dumped to 'c:/games/crawl/saves/morgue/Butter.txt'. Saving game... please wait. Welcome back, Butter the Minotaur Gladiator. Okawaru says: Bring me glory in combat! Press ? for a list of commands and other information. P?.....#####..... ?.....## ##..... ....#######...... ....## #P.#....#. .....# ##.....#.. .....###....##### ............# .......=<..P# ........@%.### ..(....[(:...# .............# .............## ........#.....## .........#.#...## ........######..# ..###....# ##.. ...###...# ##. There are no monsters in sight! Action | 1- 3 | 4- 6 | 7- 9 | 10-12 | 13-15 || total -------------------------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------++------- Melee: Quarterstaff | 78 | 115 | 444 | 1041 | 60 || 1738 Unarmed | | | | 12 | || 12 Lajatang | | | | 189 | 1169 || 1358 Throw: Tomahawk | | | | 1 | || 1 Invok: Heroism | | | 1 | 2 | 1 || 4 Evoke: Wand | | | 9 | 6 | 13 || 28 Use: Potion | 1 | 3 | 7 | 5 | 2 || 18 Scroll | | 12 | 3 | 17 | 15 || 47 Eat: Chunk | 2 | 7 | 16 | 14 | 17 || 56 Royal jelly | | | | 2 | || 2 Meat ration | | | | 2 | 3 || 5 Fruit | | | | 4 | 6 || 10 Beef jerky | | | | | 2 || 2 Pizza | | | | | 6 || 6

And I cut out the monsters because i'm sure its not as important lol.

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Anyway any help would be greatly appreciated!

Tuesday, 6th January 2015, 12:46 by celem

That lajatang is awesome, can probably swing that forever.

Stay out of Slime. You will have 3 branches in Lair, everyone gets Slime, but its orders of magnitude harder than the others and is very optional. Swamp is probably a little easier than Snake, though you probably want a source of Flight. Either way you should finish Dungeon down to 15 first, then probably swamp->snake. At the bottom of the dungeon you will find gates to depths and vaults. These can be done 1-4, though you might want to stay off the bottom floor of both as long as possible.

You have a couple of nasty mutations, probably picked up in Slime, keep an eye out for a potion of cureMutation.

Your skills actually dont look too bad, though dont leave Fighting on for too long. I'd halt it round 18 probably.

Statwise you have Str enough for just about anything. Dex is your friend as it powers the Minotaur's headbutt and your dodge. You should probably be looking to learn some spells soon, start with utility stuff like Flight, Swiftness and Repel Missiles. Learning magic skills is slow on a Mi but still worth doing.

Tuesday, 6th January 2015, 12:50 by Magipi

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I'd go first to Swamp, then Snake, then Vaults (only 1-4, leave the V:5 alone!), then Depths, then decide about the 3rd rune. I would choose Slime if I had corrosion resistance (usually an amulet), otherwise Vaults:5.

Another thing: you used heroism only 4 times so far. That is not right, heroism is cheap and strong, you should use it in every fight that is not trivial.

Tuesday, 6th January 2015, 12:52 by Magipi

One more thing: if I am not mistaken, lajatangs slice off hydra heads (so they heal and grow 2 more). You should use a backup quarterstaff against them (hydras are quite common in the Swamp).

Tuesday, 6th January 2015, 13:13 by Garacaius

@Celem, I forgot about the main dungeon when all these branches popped up lol, Yea those mutations I didnt notice until I posted the thread, I really need some kind of mutation resistance if i'm going to go in slimes later x.X
I think I only put 1 point into Str, the rest was pumped into dex but all the equip i've found has been +Str - Dex.

@Magpi, I seem to always forget about the god powers until i'm in dire straights, I shall try and use it a bit more lol. And yea you're right about the Hydras! I has a near miss with one when I first entered Lair but luckily I found, or was gifted I forget, a +2 Quarterstaff of speed quite soon after escaping it, so I was able to enact my revenge haha.

So celem mentioned stopping Fighting at 18, I stopped dodging at 15 but have been unsure how high I need to go with Armor as well, and how high to go in evocations.
Staves I stopped at around 15 because I think I read somewhere that 14 is the optimal or something? Im unsure as it all went way over my head lol

Tuesday, 6th January 2015, 13:36 by Magipi

The best method for the Armour skill: watch your AC, and when it goes up by 1, turn off the skill. The same with Dodging and EV.

Weapons and min delay:
http://crawl.chaosforge.org/Weapon_speed
Yes, lajatang reaches min delay at 14. (Mind you, you still get bonuses from raising your weapon skill further, but those bonuses are much smaller than before, so it is a good idea to stop at min delay.)

I guess it is best now to decide if you want spells, and which spells. What spellbooks do you have?
If you don't want magic, it is easier: just keep on raising Armour, Dodging, Fighting and Evo.

Tuesday, 6th January 2015, 13:42 by Garacaius

I've kinda been leaving books where I found them so they are all scattered about lol, so far; Geomancy, Unlife, Necronomicon, Conjurations, Envenomations, Spatial Translocations, Summonings, Unlife, The Sky, Tempests, Warp, Collected works on Contamination, Fire, Wizardry, Fire.

I think i remember passing a couple that I didnt even walk over or check out so i'm not sure if they appear on the ?find list or not.

Tuesday, 6th January 2015, 14:32 by mopl

Some relatively cheap spells you'll want to learn : Blink, Apportation, Repel Missiles, (Stoneskin).

Later you'll think about Haste, Silence and Deflect Missiles...

Tuesday, 6th January 2015, 14:35 by Magipi

Not the best set of books, unfortunately. Too many high level books.

What I find useful at first glance: Flight (from the Sky), and Apportation, Blink, Repel Missiles, Passage (from Spatial Tloc).

Animate Dead is also a great spell, but I don't recommend it with Okawaru. First, you want to sacrifice corpses instead of reanimating, second: having allies is dangerous, if you harm them (via a Lamp of fire, for example), you will be put under penance.

Edit: I made a supid mistake, so I now correct myself

Tuesday, 6th January 2015, 14:40 by mopl

I also forgot Shroud of Golubria... Not awesome, but roughly equivalent to some HP (10-15 ?), and if you're learning Blink and Passage, it's quite free...

Tuesday, 6th January 2015, 14:49 by daggaz

Allies suck with Oka. He gets pissed off if they die even by enemy actions (or at least he used to), which is ridiculous. There is nothing more glorious than leading the charge into battle, some of your comrades are going to die, but they die honorably. He should give piety, not penance, for this kind of thing. Or at least be neutral to it. As it is, it basically nerfs all summons as well as enslavement.

The range of summons he cares about is beyond stupid, too. Butterflies, Oka? You are mad if butterflies are harmed? This is why we cant stay together...

Tuesday, 6th January 2015, 15:03 by mopl

daggaz wrote:Allies suck with Oka. He gets pissed off if they die even by enemy actions (or at least he used to), which is ridiculous.

That's not true anymore... It's only if you arm them yourself...

daggaz wrote:The range of summons he cares about is beyond stupid, too. Butterflies, Oka? You are mad if butterflies are harmed? This is why we cant stay together...

That's why I now use Butterflies with Oka... It's not too tedious not to arm them

Tuesday, 6th January 2015, 15:20 by Garacaius

Another couple of small questions that probably seem silly.
Firstly I've been carrying around a Shield of Reflection, I don't have any Skill put into Shields and i'm using a two handed weapon, but I've been holding onto it to switch to in case i need to make an emergency escape... Kinda lol. I dont actually know how it works but i'm guessing it can reflect spells? Is this a good idea or should i just leave it in my stash.

Secondly my +6 lajatang of the Slime-mold {slice, rElec rF+ Int+3}, I'm guessing the "of the slime mold" is just a title and not an effect like "of electrocution" would be. And also i've been searching the Wiki but I cant seem to find any information on what the "slice" buff it has does.

And lastly my +4 quarterstaff of speed, I know it essentially swings faster, is anyone able to explain a bit more how this works and why it is beneficial?

Thanks guys

Tuesday, 6th January 2015, 15:52 by Lasty

Swapping a shield is very slow, and should never be done in an emergency. Just drop the shield. You're correct about "of the slime mold". The "slice" brand is also known as "vorpal", and it displays differently on different weapons, depending on the type of action that weapon performs. It adds 16.7% physical damage to your attack (on average -- it's randomly 0-33%). It's an acceptable but unimpressive brand.

The speed brand decreases the time it takes to swing your weapon by 33%, effectively increasing your effective damage over time by about 50%. This effect happens after your base weapon speed and minimum delay are calculated, so it's still helpful to get your weapon to minimum delay. Speed is one of the overall best brands, though it's best on weapons with high damage per swing to offset enemy AC per swing.

Tuesday, 6th January 2015, 18:04 by Garacaius

Ah thank you guys!

Oh also I have just come across a bazaar selling a Scroll of Brand Weapon, is it worth using that on my +4 quarterstaff of speed? or will it have no effect? I'm not entirely sure what branding means

Tuesday, 6th January 2015, 18:10 by Magipi

Garacaius wrote:Oh also I have just come across a bazaar selling a Scroll of Brand Weapon, is it worth using that on my +4 quarterstaff of speed? or will it have no effect? I'm not entirely sure what branding means

Scroll of branding gives a new brand to a weapon. But speed is one of the best, so I guess you should not use it.

See:
https://loom.shalott.org/learndb.html#s ... and_weapon

Tuesday, 6th January 2015, 18:55 by Garacaius

Oh thank you Magipi, That page was very useful, i've been using the Wiki but its quite slow and it often seems hard to find things, If you have any other links for good information sites then please let me know!

I've been trying to find a list of all the Titles (Magpi the Invunerable for example) I know they don't change anything but I just find them interesting, cant seem to locate one though lol.

Tuesday, 6th January 2015, 19:00 by Magipi

Garacaius wrote:I've been trying to find a list of all the Titles (Magpi the Invunerable for example) I know they don't change anything but I just find them interesting, cant seem to locate one though lol.

The wiki is usually good in these things.
http://crawl.chaosforge.org/Skill_titles

Tuesday, 6th January 2015, 19:48 by Garacaius

Thank you so much for your help haha, I really appreciate it, I must seem like a total newbie, well I am, there's a lot to take in!

I have my stash on Lair: 1, One of the pages on the Wiki said that its bad because Jellies can sometime spawn there, but another page said that no Jellies spawn there. I dont wanna lose my stuff but I also don't want to spend ages dragging it all to a new location if its not needed.

I found a Book of Air clearing the rest of the main dungeon, i'm saving up for the book of spatial translocations as i'm a little short, I cant actually cast Flight or Repel missiles at the moment so I am probably going to dip into snake or have a bash at the first couple of levels of Elven halls to train my spellcasting/air magic up a bit.

I've just noticed, is there only one level of poison resistance? I've got it on my armor but i've also been using a poison resist ring, thats pointless right?

Tuesday, 6th January 2015, 21:57 by XuaXua

Garacaius wrote:I've just noticed, is there only one level of poison resistance? I've got it on my armor but i've also been using a poison resist ring, thats pointless right?

Correct, unless it was changed, just use one or the other.

Since you are using Quaterstaff, you will eventually upgrade to Lajatang; save the branding scroll for the Lajatang since the Quaterstaff has Speed, which is excellent for a Quaterstaff (and even better for a Lajatang).

I use the bottom of the closest staircase on Lair: 2 as my stash. You can get there by going to the dungeon, then ctrl-g l 2 (ctrl-g for autotravel, l for lair, 2 for floor 2); this is assuming you've gone up/down every staircase between Lair 1 and Lair 2, otherwise I believe ctrl-g will only go to already-explored staircases instead of the closest staircase. You want the staircase closest to D to minimize travel.

Tuesday, 6th January 2015, 22:05 by Garacaius

My main weapon is the +6 lajatang of the Slime-mold {slice, rElec rF+ Int+3}, The quarterstaff of speed I am using as a backup for hydras really.

I just had a near death experience because I wanted to go see if Elven Halls was hard, I was fine until I got to the third floor where I was ambushed by a bunch of long haired hippies, I managed to use a scroll of blink but for some reason it worked without control and I ended up with a teleport mutation so I had to use my amulet of stasis.

Tried snakes a bit and nearly got slaughtered again, I managed to kill a named naga archer and some named fire guy.. barely.. I quickly left but I did manage to find my first potion of cure mutation thank god. I'm going to leave it there for the night I think, clearing the last levels of the dungeon made me way too overconfident.

OH!! Also I found a Scroll of Acquirement but i'm not sure what I want, My main weapon seems okay as does my armor, What are the chances of getting good gloves?

Tuesday, 6th January 2015, 22:18 by Kismet

Garacaius wrote:What are the chances of getting good gloves?

Very low

Tuesday, 6th January 2015, 22:21 by dornbeast

Garacaius wrote:I just had a near death experience because I wanted to go see if Elven Halls was hard, I was fine until I got to the third floor where I was ambushed by a bunch of long haired hippies, I managed to use a scroll of blink but for some reason it worked without control and I ended up with a teleport mutation so I had to use my amulet of stasis.

That uncontrolled blink? That's Elf 3 being its usual self. One of the many reasons that people advise not hitting the third level too soon. I've been there three or four times, and I survived two of them. The only reason my percentage isn't worse is my tendency to die before I find the way to the Elven Halls.

Tuesday, 6th January 2015, 22:23 by XuaXua

if you don't have a wand of heal wounds, acquire wands, then burn a scroll of ID on it.

Certain floors have -Tele (no controlled teleportation). Elf:3 is one of these places.

Tuesday, 6th January 2015, 22:30 by Garacaius

Kismet wrote:
Garacaius wrote:What are the chances of getting good gloves?

Very low

Yea I figured it would be, I don't want to waste the scroll but at the same time I want to use it but I cant really think of anything other than gloves that I really want right now.
A quick breakdown of what i'm thinking about it at the moment;
Weapons - I dont think i'd get anything better than my current weapon, I may be wrong?
Armour - My gloves are useless so I need better ones, My boots only have the run buff so they could probably be better, and my cloak is only just above basic with see invis. They are really the only armour pieces I am looking for right now
Jewellery - I could really use a rMut but I think thats it.
Books - I have mot of what I need now I believe
Staff - Again I dont think will get a better staff then my current.
Wand - I really want a wand of heal wounds but i'm guessing again thats a low chance.
Miscellaneous - I'm not sure what falls under this category??
Food - This just seems like a waste, I have like 20 bread, 15 meat, 20 jelly and countless other bacon/fruit/pizza.
Gold - At the moment i'm thinking this may be the best option? How much gold does it give?

Latest char dump;

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Code:: Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.15.2 (tiles) character file. Butter the Tortoise (Minotaur Gladiator) Turns: 42939, Time: 03:26:33 HP 160/160 AC 30 Str 27 XL: 17 Next: 66% MP 0/26 EV 21 Int 8 God: Okawaru [******] Gold 1880 SH 0 Dex 19 Spells: 3 memorised, 18 levels left rFire + + . SeeInvis + F - +6 lajatang of the Slime-mold {slice, rElec rF+ Int+3} rCold . . . Clarity . j - +5 chain mail "Biciomir" {rPois rC+ Slay+5} rNeg . . . rCorr . (no shield) rPois + rRot . p - +2 hat "Ohurebb" {Str+4 Dex-2} rElec + Spirit + s - +1 cloak "Kacraunur" {SInv Curse} SustAb . Warding . k - +0 pair of gloves rMut . Stasis . L - +2 pair of boots {run} Gourm . C - amulet of guardian spirit MR +.... g - ring of fire G - +6 ring of dexterity @: quick, somewhat resistant to hostile enchantments, extremely unstealthy A: retaliatory headbutt, horns 2 a: Heroism, Finesse, Renounce Religion You are on level 1 of the Lair of Beasts. You worship Okawaru. Okawaru is exalted by your worship. You are not hungry. You have visited 7 branches of the dungeon, and seen 35 of its levels. You have visited 1 bazaar. You have also visited: Ice Cave and Volcano. You have collected 3985 gold pieces. You have spent 2105 gold pieces at shops. Inventory: Hand weapons t - a +4 quarterstaff of speed F - the +6 lajatang of the Slime-mold (weapon) {slice, rElec rF+ Int+3} (You bought it in a shop on level 8 of the Dungeon) It inflicts extra damage upon your enemies. It affects your intelligence (+3). It protects you from fire. It insulates you from electricity. Armour j - the +5 chain mail "Biciomir" (worn) {rPois rC+ Slay+5} (Okawaru gifted it to you on level 8 of the Lair of Beasts) It affects your accuracy and damage with ranged weapons and melee attacks (+5). It protects you from cold. It protects you from poison. k - a +0 pair of gloves (worn) p - the +2 hat "Ohurebb" (worn) {Str+4 Dex-2} (Okawaru gifted it to you on level 4 of the Orcish Mines) It affects your strength (+4). It affects your dexterity (-2). s - the +1 cloak "Kacraunur" (worn) {SInv Curse} (You bought it in a shop on level 1 of the Orcish Mines) It enhances your eyesight. It may recurse itself when equipped. L - a +2 pair of boots of running (worn) Magical devices d - a wand of lightning (1) H - a wand of hasting (5) M - a wand of fire (7) T - a wand of disintegration (8) Comestibles b - a meat ration c - a beef jerky f - 19 bread rations Scrolls h - 9 scrolls of teleportation l - a scroll of fear w - 2 scrolls of remove curse x - 4 scrolls of magic mapping B - a scroll of identify Y - 3 scrolls of blinking Jewellery g - a ring of fire (right hand) y - an uncursed amulet of clarity C - an amulet of guardian spirit (around neck) G - a +6 ring of dexterity (left hand) K - an uncursed ring of protection from magic Potions a - a potion of brilliance i - 5 potions of agility m - a potion of restore abilities n - 3 potions of invisibility u - 2 potions of resistance v - 3 potions of berserk rage A - 2 potions of haste I - a potion of might X - 4 potions of curing Miscellaneous e - a lamp of fire Skills: + Level 16.6 Fighting - Level 15.3 Staves - Level 2.0 Throwing + Level 18.3 Armour - Level 16.9 Dodging - Level 4.8 Spellcasting - Level 5.1 Air Magic - Level 10.0 Evocations You have 18 spell levels left. You know the following spells: Your Spells Type Power Failure Level Hunger a - Repel Missiles Chrm/Air #..... 34% 2 ##..... b - Flight Chrm/Air #......... 73% 3 ####... c - Swiftness Chrm/Air #....... 34% 2 ##..... Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations Branches: Dungeon (15/15) Temple (0/1) D:6 Orc (4/4) D:11 Elf (3/3) Orc:3 Lair (8/8) D:11 Swamp (0/5) Lair:3 Snake (2/5) Lair:3 Slime (2/6) Lair:8 Vaults (0/5) D:13 Depths (1/5) D:15 Altars: Ashenzari Dithmenos Kikubaaqudgha Makhleb Nemelex Xobeh Okawaru Qazlal Trog Vehumet Yredelemnul Zin Beogh Shops: D:4 } D:8 ( D:15 *} Orc:1 [ Orc:4 =*[(: Elf:2 [ Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations You reflexively headbutt those who attack you in melee. You have a pair of horns on your head. Message History You remove your amulet of stasis. You drop an uncursed amulet of stasis. y - an uncursed amulet of clarity C - an uncursed amulet of guardian spirit You feel your power drawn to a protective spirit. C - an amulet of guardian spirit (around neck) There is a staircase back to the Dungeon, spattered with blood here. Items here: ?????? a scroll of acquirement; a scroll of amnesia; 5 scrolls of fog a scroll of torment; a scroll of noise; 2 scrolls of fear Saving game... please wait. Welcome back, Butter the Minotaur Gladiator. Okawaru says: Bring me glory in combat! Press ? for a list of commands and other information. There is a staircase back to the Dungeon, spattered with blood here. Items here: %%%%% 4 meat rations; 2 fruits; 5 slices of pizza; 22 royal jellies 3 beef jerkies Char dumped to 'c:/games/crawl/saves/morgue/Butter.txt'. Saving game... please wait. P?.....#####..... ?.....## ##..... ....#######...... ....## #P.#....#. .....# ##.....#.. .....###....##### ............# ......."<?.P## .......!@/...# ..(....[):...# .............# .............## ........#.....## .........#.#...## ........######..# ..###....# ##.. ...###...# ##. There are no monsters in sight! Vanquished Creatures Nikola (Elf:2) Vashnia (Snake:2) A deep elf blademaster (Elf:2) Rupert (Snake:1) Roxanne (D:14) An azure jelly (Slime:1) Donald (Snake:1) Maud (Lair:7) An orc warlord (Orc:4) 3 deep elf sorcerers (Elf:2) Aizul (Snake:1) Gastronok (D:8) 2 deep elf demonologists (Elf:3) 3 deep elf annihilators Azrael (Snake:2) A deep elf death mage (Elf:3) 4 vault guards (D:13) Josephine (D:13) 2 ice dragons (IceCv) The ghost of Clover the Cruncher, a powerful MiGl (D:8) Fannar (D:10) A naga warrior (Snake:1) 6 hydras Nessos (D:13) 3 anacondas 4 ogre magi Erica (D:11) 5 centaur warriors 6 death yaks A tengu warrior (D:15) 7 naga sharpshooters Urug (D:10) 2 orc high priests 3 shock serpents Nergalle (D:10) Erolcha (D:11) 12 deep elf knights 2 unseen horrors 4 naga ritualists 2 ice statues (IceCv) 4 hill giants 5 deep elf summoners A silver statue (Elf:1) 14 deep elf conjurers 10 mana vipers 7 orc knights 3 salamanders (Snake:2) 2 griffons 5 ugly things 3 cyclopes 2 orc sorcerers (Orc:4) A shining eye (Slime:1) A sixfirhy (Elf:1) 20 black mambas A manticore (D:13) A guardian serpent (Snake:2) 16 elephants Joseph (D:11) 9 naga magi 26 spiny frogs An iron devil (Orc:3) Psyche (Orc:1) 3 gargoyles 7 komodo dragons A tengu conjurer (D:13) 2 fire drakes 3 demonic crawlers (Elf:1) A hellwing (Elf:2) A queen bee (Lair:2) 8 deep elf priests A hydra zombie (D:13) 4 jumping spiders A polar bear (Lair:5) 12 slime creatures A blue devil (Orc:3) 8 two-headed ogres A hydra skeleton (D:15) 5 trolls 4 giant leeches (Lair:8) 23 blink frogs 2 basilisks 2 ravens (D:15) A centaur simulacrum (D:13) 3 redbacks 27 deep elf magi 3 wyverns A human (D:10) 3 hungry ghosts A ynoxinul (Orc:4) 3 fire bats (Lair:5) A chaos spawn (Elf:2) 2 tarantellas A shadow (D:12) An elf zombie (D:13) Grum (D:11) 3 fire elementals (Snake:2) 7 vampire mosquitoes 11 hippogriffs 26 yaks 18 deep elf fighters 4 wraiths (D:8) 20 nagas A mottled dragon (D:13) 2 hill giant skeletons (D:13) 11 wargs 12 wolves A hell hound (Snake:2) 36 water moccasins 8 porcupines 3 sky beasts A phantom (D:7) 8 spiders (Elf:1) A yellow wasp (D:14) 21 ice beasts 2 black bears 17 ogres 47 orc warriors 16 crocodiles 18 centaurs 15 big kobolds 3 brain worms 47 giant frogs An elf skeleton (D:8) A cyclops zombie (D:11) 46 killer bees 2 eyes of draining 7 scorpions A yak skeleton (D:10) 7 electric eels A tengu skeleton (D:13) 10 wights 23 jellies A troll skeleton (D:13) 6 crimson imps A centaur zombie (D:7) 14 hounds A basilisk zombie (D:11) 3 iron imps (D:3) 2 goliath beetles A gnoll shaman (D:5) 35 orc priests 14 two-headed ogre zombies (Orc:1) 5 human zombies (D:8) 39 orc wizards 7 orange rats A two-headed ogre skeleton (D:10) 9 iguanas 9 worker ants 6 sheep (Lair:6) A mottled dragon zombie (D:11) 2 ogre skeletons A hound zombie (D:9) A hound skeleton (D:11) A mummy (D:8) 24 adders 8 gnolls 17 green rats A steam dragon skeleton (D:8) 2 giant mites (D:7) 4 ufetubi An adder skeleton (D:6) 2 orc zombies 3 giant geckos An ooze (D:1) 214 orcs A bat skeleton (D:5) 2 giant cockroaches 28 goblins 16 hobgoblins 9 jackals 25 kobolds 11 quokkas 3 ball pythons 19 bats 4 giant newts A giant spore (D:6) A jackal zombie (D:6) 3 orc skeletons 10 rats 6 spectral orcs (D:10) 6 ballistomycetes A bush (Lair:2) 2 fungi (D:7) 1408 creatures vanquished. Vanquished Creatures (others) A lost soul (Elf:3) A green rat (Lair:7) A giant spore (D:10) A fungus (Lair:8) 4 plants 8 creatures vanquished. Grand Total: 1416 creatures vanquished Notes Turn | Place | Note -------------------------------------------------------------- 0 | D:1 | Butter, the Minotaur Gladiator, began the quest for the Orb. 0 | D:1 | Reached XP level 1. HP: 18/18 MP: 1/1 34 | D:1 | Reached skill level 4 in Staves 401 | D:1 | Reached XP level 2. HP: 18/25 MP: 1/1 834 | D:1 | Reached skill level 5 in Staves 1047 | D:2 | Found an ancient bone altar of Kikubaaqudgha. 1054 | D:2 | Reached XP level 3. HP: 25/30 MP: 2/2 1161 | D:2 | Found a shattered altar of Ashenzari. 1166 | D:2 | Saw a vision of the Swamp and the Snake Pit. 1166 | D:2 | Noticed a shock serpent 1166 | D:2 | Noticed a naga sharpshooter 1166 | D:2 | Noticed a naga 1166 | D:2 | Noticed a salamander 1168 | D:2 | Noticed a swamp drake 1168 | D:2 | Noticed a giant frog 1169 | D:2 | Noticed a naga 1337 | D:2 | Found a glowing silver altar of Zin. 1567 | D:2 | Reached skill level 6 in Fighting 1567 | D:2 | Reached skill level 9 in Staves 1567 | D:2 | Reached skill level 5 in Armour 1567 | D:2 | Reached XP level 4. HP: 30/44 MP: 2/2 1870 | D:3 | Found a radiant altar of Vehumet. 1985 | D:3 | Reached XP level 5. HP: 43/50 MP: 2/2 2184 | D:3 | Found an iron altar of Okawaru. 2191 | D:3 | Found a bloodstained altar of Trog. 2191 | D:3 | Found a shattered altar of Ashenzari. 2196 | D:3 | Became a worshipper of Warmaster Okawaru 2314 | D:3 | Reached skill level 10 in Staves 2406 | D:3 | Found a burning altar of Makhleb. 2532 | D:3 | Reached XP level 6. HP: 57/57 MP: 3/3 2583 | D:3 | Found a sparkling altar of Nemelex Xobeh. 2945 | D:4 | Found a stormy altar of Qazlal. 3268 | D:4 | Found Wiv Steq's Gadget Shoppe. 3529 | D:5 | Entered Level 5 of the Dungeon 3685 | D:5 | Reached XP level 7. HP: 19/63 MP: 3/3 3888 | D:5 | Noticed a wyvern 3903 | D:5 | Killed a wyvern 3903 | D:5 | Reached skill level 11 in Staves 4615 | D:5 | Acquired Okawaru's first power 5098 | D:6 | Reached skill level 12 in Staves 5098 | D:6 | Reached XP level 8. HP: 63/70 MP: 3/3 5148 | D:6 | Found a staircase to the Ecumenical Temple. 5735 | D:6 | Reached skill level 13 in Staves 6694 | D:7 | Reached XP level 9. HP: 61/75 MP: 4/4 7116 | D:7 | Reached skill level 14 in Staves 7593 | D:8 | Found Goduf's Antique Weapon Shop. 7716 | D:8 | Noticed Clover's ghost (powerful MiGl) 8145 | D:8 | Killed Clover's ghost 8145 | D:8 | Reached skill level 15 in Staves 8492 | D:8 | Found a sparkling altar of Nemelex Xobeh. 8503 | D:8 | Noticed Gastronok 8524 | D:8 | Killed Gastronok 8524 | D:8 | Reached XP level 10. HP: 80/86 MP: 4/4 8830 | D:8 | Acquired Okawaru's second power 8870 | D:8 | Found a basalt altar of Yredelemnul. 9573 | D:9 | Found a bloodstained altar of Trog. 9612 | D:9 | Received a gift from Okawaru 9613 | D:9 | Got an ancient great sword {god gift} 9614 | D:9 | Identified the +5 great sword of Integrity {slice, rPois} (Okawaru gifted it to you on level 9 of the Dungeon) 9720 | D:9 | Reached skill level 1 in Evocations 10388 | D:10 | Entered Level 10 of the Dungeon 10696 | D:10 | Noticed Urug 10894 | D:10 | Noticed Nergalle 10897 | D:10 | Noticed a hill giant 10943 | D:10 | Killed Nergalle 10943 | D:10 | Reached XP level 11. HP: 48/95 MP: 1/6 10951 | D:10 | Killed a hill giant 11251 | D:10 | Noticed Fannar 11281 | D:10 | Killed Fannar 11628 | D:10 | Received a gift from Okawaru 11650 | D:10 | Identified a +2 pair of boots of running (Okawaru gifted it to you on level 10 of the Dungeon) 12463 | D:10 | Killed Urug 12709 | D:11 | Noticed Joseph 12906 | D:11 | Killed Joseph 12995 | D:11 | Noticed Erolcha 13023 | D:11 | Killed Erolcha 13023 | D:11 | Reached skill level 10 in Fighting 13360 | D:11 | Found a staircase to the Lair. 13551 | D:11 | Found a staircase to the Orcish Mines. 13667 | D:11 | Noticed Erica 13685 | D:11 | Killed Erica 13685 | D:11 | Reached skill level 10 in Armour 13685 | D:11 | Reached XP level 12. HP: 74/108 MP: 9/12 13995 | Orc:1 | Entered Level 1 of the Orcish Mines 14008 | Orc:1 | Noticed Grum 14287 | D:11 | Killed Grum 14362 | Orc:1 | Received a gift from Okawaru 14413 | Orc:1 | Found Groamiuc's Armour Shoppe. 14421 | Orc:1 | Noticed Psyche 14431 | Orc:1 | Killed Psyche 14444 | Orc:1 | Found an iron altar of Okawaru. 14846 | Orc:1 | Noticed an ogre mage 14890 | Orc:1 | Killed an ogre mage 14904 | Orc:1 | Received a gift from Okawaru 14950 | Orc:1 | Reached skill level 5 in Evocations 16099 | D:8 | Bought an ivory lajatang for 620 gold pieces 16101 | D:8 | Identified the +6 lajatang of the Slime-mold {slice, rElec rF+ Int+3} (You bought it in a shop on level 8 of the Dungeon) 16502 | Orc:3 | Found a staircase to the Elven Halls. 16725 | Orc:3 | Found a frozen archway. 16735 | IceCv | Entered an ice cave 17343 | IceCv | Noticed an ice dragon 17345 | IceCv | Noticed an ice dragon 17354 | IceCv | Killed an ice dragon 17363 | IceCv | Killed an ice dragon 17683 | IceCv | Got a pitted copper ring 17698 | IceCv | Identified the ring "Psay" {rC+ rN+} (You found it in an ice cave) 18182 | Orc:4 | Entered Level 4 of the Orcish Mines 18203 | Orc:3 | Reached XP level 13. HP: 53/119 MP: 10/18 18609 | Orc:4 | Received a gift from Okawaru 18921 | Orc:4 | Found Qalaog's Jewellery Shop. 19060 | Orc:4 | Found a roughly hewn altar of Beogh. 19621 | Orc:4 | Noticed an orc warlord 19646 | Orc:4 | Killed an orc warlord 19646 | Orc:4 | Received a gift from Okawaru 19646 | Orc:4 | Reached skill level 10 in Dodging 19648 | Orc:4 | Got a brightly glowing hat {god gift} 19659 | Orc:4 | Identified the +2 hat "Ohurebb" {Str+4 Dex-2} (Okawaru gifted it to you on level 4 of the Orcish Mines) 20461 | Orc:4 | Found Oceur's Antique Weapon Shop. 20490 | Orc:4 | Found Weseq's Antique Armour Shop. 20502 | Orc:4 | Bought a pair of runed boots for 135 gold pieces 20513 | Orc:4 | Identified a +0 pair of boots of running (You bought it in a shop on level 4 of the Orcish Mines) 20520 | Orc:4 | Bought a pair of gloves for 135 gold pieces 20539 | Orc:4 | Found Ysued's Book Shop. 20720 | Orc:4 | Found Wommapuy's General Store. 20726 | Orc:4 | Bought a scroll of remove curse for 42 gold pieces 20726 | Orc:4 | Bought a scroll of remove curse for 42 gold pieces 20726 | Orc:4 | Bought a potion of haste for 98 gold pieces 21282 | Orc:1 | Bought a +2 plate armour of poison resistance for 518 gold pieces 21282 | Orc:1 | Bought the +1 cloak "Kacraunur" {SInv Curse} for 289 gold pieces 21461 | Lair:1 | Entered Level 1 of the Lair of Beasts 22876 | Lair:2 | Got a glittering iron ring 22878 | Lair:2 | Identified the ring "Teakh" {rElec rC+ SInv} (You found it on level 2 of the Lair of Beasts) 23423 | Lair:3 | Found a staircase to the Snake Pit. 23648 | Lair:3 | Found a staircase to the Swamp. 23975 | Lair:3 | Received a gift from Okawaru 24282 | Lair:4 | Reached XP level 14. HP: 122/129 MP: 17/19 25276 | Lair:5 | Found a dark tunnel. 25300 | Volcano | Entered a volcano 26510 | Lair:6 | Reached skill level 15 in Armour 26697 | Lair:7 | Received a gift from Okawaru 27039 | Lair:7 | Noticed Maud 27049 | Lair:7 | Killed Maud 27234 | Lair:7 | Reached skill level 15 in Dodging 27328 | Lair:7 | Found a glowing silver altar of Zin. 27832 | Lair:8 | Entered Level 8 of the Lair of Beasts 27879 | Lair:8 | Received a gift from Okawaru 28234 | Lair:8 | Reached XP level 15. HP: 136/136 MP: 21/21 28660 | Lair:8 | Found a staircase to the Slime Pits. 28668 | Lair:8 | Received a gift from Okawaru 28692 | Lair:8 | Reached skill level 16 in Armour 28708 | Lair:8 | Got a polished chain mail {god gift} 28719 | Lair:8 | Identified the +5 chain mail "Biciomir" {rPois rC+ Slay+5} (Okawaru gifted it to you on level 8 of the Lair of Beasts) 29360 | Slime:1 | Entered Level 1 of the Pits of Slime 29468 | Slime:1 | Noticed an azure jelly 29477 | Slime:1 | Killed an azure jelly 29569 | Slime:1 | Gained mutation: Your magical capacity is low (-10% MP). [a shining eye] 29571 | Slime:1 | Gained mutation: Your vision is a little blurry. [a shining eye] 30277 | Snake:1 | Entered Level 1 of the Snake Pit 30277 | Snake:1 | Noticed Rupert 30286 | Snake:1 | Killed Rupert 30376 | Snake:1 | Noticed Donald 30384 | Snake:1 | Killed Donald 30747 | Snake:1 | Noticed Aizul 30759 | Snake:1 | Killed Aizul 33036 | D:13 | Reached skill level 15 in Fighting 33095 | D:13 | Noticed Josephine 33107 | D:13 | Killed Josephine 33107 | D:13 | Reached skill level 17 in Armour 33278 | D:13 | Received a gift from Okawaru 33400 | D:13 | Noticed Nessos 33417 | D:13 | Killed Nessos 33599 | D:13 | Reached XP level 16. HP: 126/149 MP: 20/22 33602 | D:13 | Reached skill level 10 in Evocations 33899 | D:13 | Found a gate to the Vaults. 34046 | D:13 | Found a gateway to a bazaar. 34056 | Bazaar | Entered a bazaar 34056 | Bazaar | Found Crifumoit's Assorted Antiques. 34056 | Bazaar | Found Xoezim's General Store. 34056 | Bazaar | Found Shraleuri's Antique Weapon Shoppe. 34056 | Bazaar | Found Tyfiat's Armour Emporium. 34093 | Bazaar | Bought a runed quarterstaff for 84 gold pieces 34101 | Bazaar | Bought a scroll of magic mapping for 87 gold pieces 34104 | Bazaar | Bought a scroll of remove curse for 33 gold pieces 34104 | Bazaar | Bought a scroll of identify for 22 gold pieces 34593 | D:14 | Found a burning altar of Makhleb. 34790 | D:14 | Noticed Roxanne 34814 | D:14 | Killed Roxanne 35108 | D:15 | Entered Level 15 of the Dungeon 35115 | D:15 | Found a shadowy altar of Dithmenos. 35247 | D:15 | Found a shattered altar of Ashenzari. 35259 | D:15 | Learned a level 2 spell: Repel Missiles 35263 | D:15 | Learned a level 3 spell: Flight 35450 | D:15 | Reached skill level 1 in Spellcasting 35450 | D:15 | Reached skill level 1 in Air Magic 35453 | D:15 | Received a gift from Okawaru 35565 | D:15 | Found Taggealo's Serpentskin Sales. 35668 | D:15 | Found Mepaij's Gadget Emporium. 35825 | D:15 | Found a staircase to the Depths. 35896 | Depths:1 | Entered Level 1 of the Depths 36007 | D:15 | Received a gift from Okawaru 36605 | Lair:1 | Learned a level 2 spell: Swiftness 36727 | Elf:1 | Entered Level 1 of the Elven Halls 36806 | Elf:1 | Reached skill level 18 in Armour 37074 | Elf:1 | Identified a scroll of acquirement 37913 | Elf:2 | Noticed a deep elf blademaster 37928 | Elf:2 | Killed a deep elf blademaster 38084 | Elf:2 | Received a gift from Okawaru 38095 | Elf:2 | Got a steaming leather armour {god gift} 38172 | Elf:1 | Identified the +0 leather armour "Efram" {rElec rPois rN+} (Okawaru gifted it to you on level 2 of the Elven Halls) 38403 | Elf:2 | Noticed Nikola 38413 | Elf:2 | Reached XP level 17. HP: 155/158 MP: 23/23 38430 | Elf:2 | Killed Nikola 38506 | Elf:2 | Found Ufeikked's Antique Armour Shop. 39012 | Elf:3 | Entered Level 3 of the Elven Halls 39306 | Elf:3 | Noticed an Ice Fiend 39319 | Elf:3 | Gained mutation: Space occasionally distorts in your vicinity. [a neqoxec] 39937 | Snake:2 | Noticed Vashnia 39940 | Snake:2 | Noticed Azrael 40637 | Snake:2 | Killed Azrael 40971 | Snake:2 | Killed Vashnia 41330 | Snake:1 | Received a gift from Okawaru 41465 | Snake:1 | Reached skill level 5 in Air Magic 42793 | Snake:2 | Lost mutation: Your magical capacity is low (-10% MP). [potion of cure mutation] 42793 | Snake:2 | Lost mutation: Your vision is a little blurry. [potion of cure mutation] 42793 | Snake:2 | Lost mutation: Space occasionally distorts in your vicinity. [potion of cure mutation] Action | 1- 3 | 4- 6 | 7- 9 | 10-12 | 13-15 | 16-18 || total -------------------------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------++------- Melee: Quarterstaff | 78 | 115 | 444 | 1041 | 67 | 29 || 1774 Unarmed | | | | 12 | | 51 || 63 Lajatang | | | | 189 | 1326 | 618 || 2133 Throw: Tomahawk | | | | 1 | | || 1 Cast: Repel Missiles | | | | | | 1 || 1 Invok: Heroism | | | 1 | 2 | 1 | 1 || 5 Evoke: Wand | | | 9 | 6 | 14 | 16 || 45 Use: Potion | 1 | 3 | 7 | 5 | 3 | 8 || 27 Scroll | | 12 | 3 | 17 | 17 | 10 || 59 Eat: Chunk | 2 | 7 | 16 | 14 | 17 | 12 || 68 Royal jelly | | | | 2 | | || 2 Meat ration | | | | 2 | 3 | 2 || 7 Fruit | | | | 4 | 6 | 2 || 12 Beef jerky | | | | | 2 | 1 || 3 Pizza | | | | | 6 | 3 || 9

Tuesday, 6th January 2015, 22:44 by tasonir

I'd probably still go with wands - heal wounds and teleport would be good results for you, and your chances of getting good gloves is not as high. Your boots are generally considered the best boots in the game, not counting artifacts, so keep those. Running is a very strong ego.

You have 10 evocations so acquiring "misc" would also be a good choice, you'll probably get an elemental evoker, although I don't usually acquire misc so I'm not sure exactly how good the odds are.

I'm not sure why you would want to want to wear the ring of fire, I'd replace that with the ring of magic resistance right away. You're losing your rC protection, and having two pips of rF isn't that important unless you are fighting very heavy fire damage right this second. Your magic resistance is also terrible, which is very dangerous in a lot of places in crawl.

Edit: generally it isn't worth it to acquire gold, it gives roughly 1k but with high variance, but unless you have a very good item in a shop you've already seen you're better off just trying to get the item directly.

Tuesday, 6th January 2015, 23:47 by Garacaius

Yea the ring of fire sucks, I only have it equipped because I was in snake 2, It saved my life when I nearly got murdered by Azrael and Vashina with her buddies all sporting fire arrows, I managed to kill one of them but had to teleport away because I was getting my ass handed to me on a plate lol. Normally I'm wearing the ring of magic protect and the +6 dex ring, but I usually keep a couple of other rings with me just in case.

Wednesday, 7th January 2015, 00:50 by nago

boots of running are one, if not the best item (among normal ego) in the game. You won't find any normal ego better than this, and even an artefact should be most impressive to seriously compete with them.
I'd go with wand acquirement, you may likely get heal wound or another hasting which are extremely valuable tools.
Otherwise, your jewellery is quite bad, while your armour t is kinda good, so the former is probably going to be less disappointing than the latter.
Finally misc acquirement is good, you may get lamp of fire or other strong evocables

Wednesday, 7th January 2015, 01:15 by Garacaius

I will probably go with Wands then, I already have 3 Lamp of Fire's, Jewellery wise the things out of the basic jewellery that I really need are something to resist mutation, a ring of flight and some kind of fire protection. Although I'm just looking at the "basic" stuff, Will the acquirement scroll pick from the list of rings and stuff I am missing or will it randomly generate mixed items?

Wednesday, 7th January 2015, 01:17 by duvessa

Jewellery acquirement is pretty bad, to the point where armour acquirement might actually be better even for this character. But wand is going to be like 500 times better than either one so who cares?

Wednesday, 7th January 2015, 01:18 by Garacaius

Oh and I was wondering, I dont remember the "lamp of fire" and a few other similar things like the box of summons (or something like that) from playing before, How do they work, I know I can use them once but do they replenish after a set time or under certain circumstances?

Wednesday, 7th January 2015, 01:22 by Garacaius

Hahahaha! Wands was the way to go!

Wednesday, 7th January 2015, 01:27 by Siegurt

Garacaius wrote:Oh and I was wondering, I dont remember the "lamp of fire" and a few other similar things like the box of summons (or something like that) from playing before, How do they work, I know I can use them once but do they replenish after a set time or under certain circumstances?

Lamp of fire, Phial of floods, Fan of gales, and Stone of earth (Collectively the "Elemental evokables") recharged based on XP gained.

Box of beasts, Sack of spiders have a set number of charges and can't be recharged.

Wednesday, 7th January 2015, 01:34 by Garacaius

So if I managed to find a second scroll of acquirement.. I should use it on misc?

Wednesday, 7th January 2015, 01:37 by Jarlyk

Always meant to ask: how does the lantern of shadows work? I think it somehow scales with Evocations (even though you don't evoke it), but it's unclear whether it has any obvious downsides, like running out of shadows eventually? Have it in a game right now and it's been really useful for escaping some tricky situations, but I'm hesitant to use it too often, in case it has negative side effects or can somehow expire. All I know is that it has saved my poor 1AC Octopode several times now.

Wednesday, 7th January 2015, 01:51 by ZipZipskins

Garacaius wrote:So if I managed to find a second scroll of acquirement.. I should use it on misc?

Definitely, those evocables are killer. If you don't have a hastewand, that's a rad thing to acquire too.

Wednesday, 7th January 2015, 02:43 by XuaXua

Siegurt wrote:Box of beasts, Sack of spiders have a set number of charges and can't be recharged.

And box of beasts is kind of crappy, unless it's been improved.

Wednesday, 7th January 2015, 06:54 by nago

Code:: authorNicholas Feinberg <pleasingfung@gmail.com>Sat, 8 Nov 2014 18:20:59 +0000 (10:20 -0800)committerNicholas Feinberg <pleasingfung@gmail.com>Sat, 8 Nov 2014 18:20:59 +0000 (10:20 -0800)commitaaec901ee2c938998a8375f5732383f0abb733cetree8b89324caee7f2cdc387064a8f2516c94cbbb28atree | snapshotparent51e631d323f3705323803295a883d8bb06684348commit | diff Buff the Box of Beasts Add 5 to the level of the selections, like the Rod of Shadows buff. Possibly more sophisticated changes should be made, but this is a good start.

It actually was buffed a bit of time ago, but admittedly I haven't yet used it since, so I don't know if it has become really useful

Wednesday, 7th January 2015, 13:08 by XuaXua

nago wrote:
Code:
Buff the Box of Beasts Add 5 to the level of the selections

It actually was buffed a bit of time ago, but admittedly I haven't yet used it since, so I don't know if it has become really useful

I recall the Chimera change, but this makes that slightly more appealing.

Wednesday, 7th January 2015, 16:46 by celem

Magipi wrote:Animate Dead is also a great spell, but I don't recommend it with Okawaru. First, you want to sacrifice corpses instead of reanimating, second: having allies is dangerous, if you harm them (via a Lamp of fire, for example), you will be put under penance.

Quite right on harming allies, something to watch for. But Oka doesnt want blood sacrifices (corpses) in recent versions/trunk. So animate may be viable afterall. Your mileage may vary (you might want to eat some of the corpses).

For what it's worth im assuming Oka's loss of interest in praying over corpses has been balanced by a slower piety decay than the wiki indicates. Or maybe a wider range of monsters provide piety (as opposed to just strong ones as indicated). Either road, he is tweaked depending on exactly which version you are in, so do check.