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 Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.15-a0-1374-gca99efe (tiles) character file.

Balin the Bludgeoner (Deep Dwarf Fighter)          Turns: 28634, Time: 02:02:16

HP 110/151 (152) AC 41     Str 35      XL: 16   Next: 42%
MP  14/14        EV 13     Int  8      God: Trog [*****.]
Gold 1749        SH 17     Dex 17      Spells:  0 memorised, 15 levels left

rFire  + . .     SeeInvis +     X - +6,+5 demon whip of Annoyance {drain, +Inv rC- SInv Stlth--}
rCold  x . .     Clarity  .     k - +7 crystal plate armour of the Alphagorgon {Dex+5 Int+1}
rNeg   + + .     rCorr    .     s - +2 shield {reflect}
rPois  +         rRot     .     p - +2 helmet {SInv}
rElec  .         Spirit   .     v - +2 cloak
SustAb .         Warding  +     L - +0 pair of gloves
rMut   .         Stasis   .     (no boots)
Gourm  .                        D - brooch of Shielding {Ward rN+ AC+4 EV+4}
MR     +++..                    T - ring of Xom's Fair Game {rPois MR+ Str+3 Int-2 SInv}
                                o - +5 ring of strength

@: non-regenerating, extremely resistant to hostile enchantments, extremely
unstealthy
A: damage resistance, recharge devices, fire resistance 1, life protection 1,
sense surroundings 2, slow healing 3, slow metabolism 2
a: Device Recharging, Burn Spellbooks, Berserk, Trog's Hand, Brothers in Arms,
Renounce Religion, Evoke Invisibility
}: 1/15 runes: decaying


You are in the Ecumenical Temple.
You worship Trog.
Trog is extremely pleased with you.
You are not hungry.

You have visited 5 branches of the dungeon, and seen 31 of its levels.

You have collected 3063 gold pieces.
You have spent 1314 gold pieces at shops.

Inventory:

Hand weapons
 N - a +6,+4 executioner's axe of electrocution
 X - the +6,+5 demon whip of Annoyance (weapon) {drain, +Inv rC- SInv Stlth--}
   (You found it on level 2 of the Lair of Beasts)   
   
   A truly terrible weapon, it drains the life of those it strikes.
   
   It makes you vulnerable to cold.
   It enhances your eyesight.
   It lets you turn invisible.
   It makes you much less stealthy.
Missiles
 B - 2 poisoned javelins (quivered)
 P - 6 steel javelins
 S - 6 silver javelins
Armour
 k - the +7 crystal plate armour of the Alphagorgon (worn) {Dex+5 Int+1}
   (You acquired it on level 6 of the Lair of Beasts)   
   
   It affects your intelligence (+1).
   It affects your dexterity (+5).
 p - a +2 helmet of see invisible (worn)
 s - a +2 shield of reflection (worn)
 v - a +2 cloak (worn)
 L - a +0 pair of gloves (worn)
Magical devices
 d - a wand of heal wounds (5)
 r - a wand of disintegration (8)
 E - a wand of polymorph
 I - a wand of enslavement {zapped: 1}
 K - a wand of digging {zapped: 1}
 R - a wand of invisibility
 U - a wand of digging
 Z - a wand of fireball {zapped: 1}
Comestibles
 b - 2 slices of pizza
 f - 11 bread rations
 l - 3 meat rations
 x - 61 fruits
Scrolls
 g - 5 scrolls of identify
 h - 9 scrolls of teleportation
 j - 6 scrolls of fog
 m - 17 scrolls of remove curse
 n - a scroll of summoning
 q - 5 scrolls of blinking
 z - 3 scrolls of fear
 A - 3 scrolls of magic mapping
 G - a scroll of brand weapon
Jewellery
 a - the ring "Cowat" {rC+ Str+3 Int+3}
   (You found it on level 4 of the Lair of Beasts)   
   
   [ring of protection from cold]
   
   It affects your strength (+3).
   It affects your intelligence (+3).
   It protects you from cold.
 e - an uncursed amulet of resist mutation
 o - a +5 ring of strength (left hand)
 u - a ring of protection from cold
 D - the brooch of Shielding (around neck) {Ward rN+ AC+4 EV+4}
   (You found it on level 1 of the Swamp)   
   
   [amulet of warding]
   
   It may prevent the melee attacks of summoned creatures.
   It affects your AC (+4).
   It affects your evasion (+4).
   It protects you from negative energy.
 J - an uncursed ring of protection from fire
 Q - a ring of protection from fire
 T - the ring of Xom's Fair Game (right hand) {rPois MR+ Str+3 Int-2 SInv}
   (You bought it in a shop on level 2 of the Orcish Mines)   
   
   [ring of see invisible]
   
   It affects your strength (+3).
   It affects your intelligence (-2).
   It protects you from poison.
   It affects your resistance to hostile enchantments.
   It enhances your eyesight.
 V - an uncursed ring of positive energy
Potions
 t - 3 potions of might
 w - 2 potions of agility
 C - 6 potions of curing
 M - 3 potions of restore abilities
 O - a potion of berserk rage
 W - 4 potions of brilliance
Miscellaneous
 c - an ornate deck of summonings {drawn: 9}
 i - a plain deck of cards
 F - a lantern of shadows
 H - a plain deck of cards
 Y - a plain deck of summonings {drawn: 2}
Rods
 y - a +8 rod of shadows (17/17)
   (You found it on level 11 of the Dungeon)


   Skills:
 + Level 12.3 Fighting
 * Level 8.7 Axes
 - Level 15.9 Maces & Flails
 * Level 6.3 Throwing
 + Level 12.3 Armour
 - Level 10.2 Dodging
 - Level 12.6 Shields
 + Level 11.6 Evocations


You have 15 spell levels left.
You don't know any spells.

Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations

Branches:
Dungeon (13/15)            Temple (1/1) D:7             Orc (4/4) D:12
    Elf (0/3) Orc:4          Lair (8/8) D:8           Swamp (5/5) Lair:6
 Spider (0/5) Lair:6        Slime (0/6) Lair:8     
Vaults: D:13-14     

Altars:
Elyvilon
Fedhas
Kikubaaqudgha
Makhleb
Okawaru
Sif Muna
Trog
Vehumet
Xom
Beogh

Shops:
D:11 }   D:13 ?   Orc:2 =   Orc:3 ?   Orc:4 [}**

Portals:
Hell: Lair:8

Annotations:
D:8 exclusion: oklob sapling
Lair:8 exclusion: 2 oklob plants


Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations

You are resistant to damage.
You can recharge devices by infusing magical energy.
You resist negative energy.
You passively map the area around you.
You do not heal naturally.
Your flesh is heat resistant.
You need consume almost no food.


This is way better to read !

I don't know if I would go for axes. Of course DD have a great apt, but you have a correct dwhip, and will probably find some better one later on, you already trained some M&F + shields, and reaching min delay with the exec axe (which is really great btw) requires Axes level 26...
That seems a bit too much.

M&F with shield are OK, you can even use an eveningstar if you find one.

I would wear the rC ring and drop the +5str one

XuaXua wrote:I have found that the best way to survive with such a character is to not get killed.

I have not yet succeeded with this philosophy.

Of actual advice, I don't trust decks anymore, so I'd drop them. That's probably really bad advice.

Spider's Nest is always a fun place.

Winwons wrote:

XuaXua wrote:Of actual advice, I don't trust decks anymore, so I'd drop them. That's probably really bad advice.

The summoning decks actually proved kinda useful on Swamp: 5

tasonir wrote:Slime is generally considered part of extended and a very dangerous choice for your third rune. The third run is generally always vaults, although a few times I've gotten the abyssal rune instead. Note that the abyss has gotten slightly nastier lately, and so that might be even less of an alternative these days. You'd generally want very high regeneration for abyss to be an option, and you're a deep dwarf, so I don't think there's enough piety for regeneration to be worth it. Abyss would probably wear down your healing quite a lot. Just do vaults as the standard 3rd rune.

Note that the way to do vaults is to clear vaults 1-4. Do NOT enter vaults:5. There is a large welcoming party there waiting for you, and the level is generally packed with powerful monsters. After clearing vaults:4, clear depths, and optionally clear the crypt and elf (elf requires MR+++ to not get banished to the abyss). With all of that experience, go back and clear vault:5. There's a bunch of thread with vault:5 advice, if you need details, look for one or ask here again and we can either link one or write it up again. Vaults:5 is definitely one of the hardest levels in the game, by the way. This in no way is meant to imply you should avoid it and do slime instead, however. Do vaults.

Octopode-monk-of-XOM wrote:i think vault is dangerous because they close the stairs.. if u dont have powerful abilities which can safely kill the guardians via smite targetting etc i would also avoid it. did vaults 5 very late with my character. slime had very low monster density on my running game but i think it can be much worse

try a caster as next char imo. hard to get it running, but later on its easier (at least for me). i also dont like trog in vaults there are dozens of yaktaur crossbow freaks etc, id like to have repel missiles + shield there for sure.

Octopode-monk-of-XOM wrote:yea sure for an experienced player. but going down there the first time, it can easily kill you. scroll of fear will only help some turns but wont help in any way if u dont have the equipment to beat those guys.

Octopode-monk-of-XOM wrote:ranged attack has to be strong enough to actually kill one before they reach u, or u scroll will timeout/u explode urself

control teleport.. u dont have this spell/ring very often around lvl 16-18, and as berserker u only have the ring option

Octopode-monk-of-XOM wrote:while i admit that i stairdance alot (u consider this cheating or what? ) i primarily meant the inability to escape this dungeon (slime is easy to flee). and teleporting randomly in V5 with a character under lvl 20 can go wrong too and is gambling imo

tasonir wrote:Slime is generally considered part of extended and a very dangerous choice for your third rune. The third run is generally always vaults, although a few times I've gotten the abyssal rune instead. Note that the abyss has gotten slightly nastier lately, and so that might be even less of an alternative these days. You'd generally want very high regeneration for abyss to be an option, and you're a deep dwarf, so I don't think there's enough piety for regeneration to be worth it. Abyss would probably wear down your healing quite a lot. Just do vaults as the standard 3rd rune.

Note that the way to do vaults is to clear vaults 1-4. Do NOT enter vaults:5. There is a large welcoming party there waiting for you, and the level is generally packed with powerful monsters. After clearing vaults:4, clear depths, and optionally clear the crypt and elf (elf requires MR+++ to not get banished to the abyss). With all of that experience, go back and clear vault:5. There's a bunch of thread with vault:5 advice, if you need details, look for one or ask here again and we can either link one or write it up again. Vaults:5 is definitely one of the hardest levels in the game, by the way. This in no way is meant to imply you should avoid it and do slime instead, however. Do vaults.

and into wrote:convokers and sentinels on V:5 are really scary throughout, unless you have enough MR to neutralize the latter's Mark hex.

archaeo wrote:

and into wrote:convokers and sentinels on V:5 are really scary throughout, unless you have enough MR to neutralize the latter's Mark hex.

As an aside, 0 skill curare and the new potions of cancellation seem like pretty handy solutions for both of these problems and a good part of the V:5 tool kit.

nilsbloodaxe wrote:I wouldn't necessarily agree that the silver rune should be the default 3rd rune. I have had a number of characters have an easier time in the Abyss or Slime than V:5. Also with certain builds I could imagine that Tomb may even be okay as a 3rd (though I can't personally back this up.)