YASD DrCj of Ash, Vaults 5 is hell.

[Hirsch I]

Hi guys!
I made another DrCj, after some tries, and it is going very well! I think I'm not making any stupid mistakes, if I am, please tell me.
the nice trident I found early is surprisingly strong, especially with +6+13 total slaying. nice.
I'm loving Orb of Destruction, the feeling of exploding monsters and sending chunks everywhere is nice :3 but I think a AOE damage spell would be a good idea. hmmmm.
also, I'm using the Hat of Pondering, and I really dont know if it is a good idea. strange thing, looks like I'm still faster than most monsters, that cant be right.
cleared Lair, D, and will go to Orc, probably. maybe I find haste there.
what do you guys think? I dont know where to put XP right now.

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 Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.14-a0-2820-gd1528c4 (tiles) character file.

Hirsch the Destroyer (Mottled Draconian Conjurer)  Turns: 32539, Time: 01:41:32

HP 135/135       AC 18     Str 14      XL: 15   Next: 82%
MP  40/40        EV 25     Int 28      God: Ashenzari [******]
Gold 2080        SH 14     Dex 17      Spells:  6 memorised,  1 level left

rFire  + . .     SeeInvis +     s - +6 trident "Hydra's Peril" {freeze, +Fly rN+ SInv}
rCold  . . .     Clarity  +     (armour unavailable)
rNeg   + . .     Conserve .     I - +2 buckler {rF+} (curse)
rPois  .         rCorr    .     c - +3 hat of Pondering {ponderous, MR+ MP+10 Int+5}
rElec  .         rRot     .     D - +1 cloak (curse)
SustAb . .       Spirit   .     z - +2 pair of gloves (curse)
rMut   +         Warding  .     X - +0 pair of dwarf boots (curse)
Saprov . . .     Stasis   .     g - cursed amulet of resist mutation
MR     +....                    F - cursed ring of Gluttony {MP+9 Str+4}
                                O - cursed ring "Imia" {Dex+4 Int+2 Dam+7}

@: slow, somewhat resistant to hostile enchantments, stealthy
A: breathe sticky flames, unfitting armour, horns 1, carnivore 1, AC +9
a: Breathe Sticky Flame, Scrying, Transfer Knowledge, Renounce Religion, Evoke
Flight


You are on level 16 of the Dungeon.
You worship Ashenzari.
Ashenzari is exalted by your worship.
You are not hungry.

You have visited 3 branches of the dungeon, and seen 25 of its levels.
You have also visited: Sewer, Ice Cave and Volcano.

You have collected 2080 gold pieces.

Inventory:

Hand weapons
 s - the cursed +6,+6 trident "Hydra's Peril" (weapon) {freeze, +Fly rN+ SInv}
   (You found it on level 8 of the Dungeon)   
   
   It has been specially enchanted to freeze those struck by it, causing extra
   injury to most foes and up to double damage against particularly susceptible
   opponents. It can also slow down cold-blooded creatures.
   
   It protects you from negative energy.
   It enhances your eyesight.
   It lets you fly.
   It has a curse placed upon it.
Missiles
 k - 2 throwing nets (quivered)
Armour
 c - the +3 hat of Pondering (worn) {ponderous, MR+ MP+10 Int+5}
   (You took it off Gastronok on level 2 of the Lair of Beasts)   
   
   It affects your intelligence (+5).
   It affects your resistance to hostile enchantments.
   It affects your magic capacity (+10).
 z - a cursed +2 pair of gloves (worn)
 D - a cursed +1 cloak (worn)
 I - a cursed +2 buckler of fire resistance (worn)
 X - a cursed +0 pair of dwarven boots (worn)
Magical devices
 a - a wand of random effects {zapped: 2}
 f - a wand of confusion {zapped: 1}
 p - a wand of paralysis {zapped: 1}
 U - a wand of fire (9)
 Z - a wand of polymorph (11)
Comestibles
 b - 5 bread rations
 u - 3 meat rations
 x - 3 rotting chunks of hill giant flesh
 B - 6 chokos
 C - 2 apples
 J - a beef jerky
 S - 2 apricots
Scrolls
 l - 4 scrolls of remove curse
 m - 2 scrolls of summoning
 q - a scroll of fog
 A - 2 scrolls of amnesia
 E - 2 scrolls of fear
 P - 4 scrolls of identify
 V - a scroll of magic mapping
 W - 2 scrolls of immolation
 Y - 2 scrolls of teleportation
Jewellery
 e - an uncursed amulet of the gourmand
 g - a cursed amulet of resist mutation (around neck)
 i - an uncursed ring of fire
 n - an uncursed ring of ice
 o - an uncursed ring of protection from magic
 v - an uncursed ring of teleport control
 F - the cursed ring of Gluttony (right hand) {MP+9 Str+4}
   (You found it on level 6 of the Dungeon)   
   
   [ring of magical power]
   It affects your strength (+4).
   It has a curse placed upon it.
 O - the cursed ring "Imia" (left hand) {Dex+4 Int+2 Dam+7}
   (You found it on level 8 of the Dungeon)   
   
   [ring of slaying]
   It affects your damage-dealing abilities (+7).
   It affects your intelligence (+2).
   It affects your dexterity (+4).
   It has a curse placed upon it.
Potions
 j - 4 potions of might
 r - a potion of resistance
 t - 2 potions of agility
 w - 5 potions of flight
 G - 4 potions of restore abilities
 H - 3 potions of heal wounds
 K - 4 potions of brilliance
 L - 7 potions of curing
 N - 4 potions of speed
 Q - 4 potions of invisibility
Books
 d - a book of Air   
   
   Spells                             Type                      Level
   Shock                              Conjuration/Air              1
   *Swiftness                         Charms/Air                   2
   *Repel Missiles                    Charms/Air                   2
   Flight                             Charms/Air                   3
   Static Discharge                   Conjuration/Air              3
   Lightning Bolt                     Conjuration/Air              5
 M - a book of Power   
   
   Spells                             Type                      Level
   Fulminant Prism                    Conjuration/Hexes            4
   Iskenderun's Mystic Blast          Conjuration                  4
   Venom Bolt                         Conjuration/Poison           5
   Bolt of Magma                      Conjuration/Fire/Earth       5
   Iron Shot                          Conjuration/Earth            6
   *Orb of Destruction                Conjuration                  7
Miscellaneous
 h - a lamp of fire


   Skills:
 - Level 13,0 Fighting
 - Level 10,4(14,6) Polearms
 - Level 14,0(16,6) Dodging
 - Level 1,7(3,9) Stealth
 - Level 3,4(6,1) Shields
 - Level 2,0 Spellcasting
 + Level 16,9(20,7) Conjurations
 - Level 2,2(5,7) Hexes
 - Level 4,1(8,3) Charms


You have one spell level left.
You know the following spells:

 Your Spells              Type           Power        Failure   Level  Hunger
a - Magic Dart            Conj           ####         0%          1    None
b - Searing Ray           Conj           ######       0%          2    ##.....
c - Dazzling Spray        Conj/Hex       ######..     1%          3    ###....
d - Orb of Destruction    Conj           #######...   1%          7    #######
e - Swiftness             Chrm/Air       ####....     1%          2    ##.....
f - Repel Missiles        Chrm/Air       ####..       1%          2    ##.....


Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations

Branches:
Dungeon (16/16)            Temple (1/1) D:4             Orc (0/4) D:10
   Lair (8/8) D:10          Swamp (0/5) Lair:3        Snake (0/5) Lair:6
  Slime (0/6) Lair:7       Vaults (0/5) D:15         Depths (0/6) D:16

Altars:
Ashenzari
Cheibriados
Dithmenos
Elyvilon
Fedhas
Okawaru
Sif Muna
Vehumet
Yredelemnul
The Shining One

Shops:
D:15 !

Portals:
Trove: D:13 (show abyssal rune of Zot)

Annotations:
D:8 exclusion: oklob sapling
Lair:1 exclusion: ice statue
Lair:2 exclusion: oklob plant


Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations

You can spit globs of burning liquid.
You can ignite nearby creatures when you spit burning liquid.
Your weird mottled scales are hard (AC +9).
Your body does not fit into most forms of armour.
Your cold-blooded metabolism reacts poorly to cold.
You have a pair of small horns on your head.
Your digestive system is specialised to digest meat.


Message History

Attack whom?
Press: ? - help, Dir - move target cursor, f - giant frog
Aim: a giant frog (hasn't noticed you)
You reach to attack!
You catch the helpless giant frog momentarily off-guard.
You hit the giant frog. The giant frog seems to slow down. You freeze the giant frog.
The giant frog is moderately wounded.
You puncture the giant frog! The giant frog seems to slow down. You freeze the giant frog.
The giant frog is almost dead.
You barely miss the giant frog. You tail-slap the giant frog.
You kill the giant frog!
No target in view!
You smell something rotten. (slot x)
Found an uncursed scale mail.
Found 20 stones.
Done exploring.
Done exploring.
No target in view!
There is a stone staircase leading up here.
Saving game... please wait.

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There are no monsters in sight!

Vanquished Creatures
  Frances (D:16)
  A frost giant (IceCv)
  Gastronok (Lair:2)
  2 ettins (D:13)
  A fire dragon (Lair:8)
  Fannar (Lair:7)
  12 hydras
  13 death yaks
  5 centaur warriors
  An iron golem (D:13)
  A flayed ghost (D:13)
  An ice statue (IceCv)
  10 hill giants
  An orb spider (shapeshifter) (D:16)
  3 unseen horrors
  A lindwurm (Lair:8)
  4 griffons
  The ghost of Hirsch the Gouger, an experienced FeCK of Xom (D:9)
  3 manticores
  5 cyclopes
  Maurice (D:9)
  4 elephants (Lair:5)
  An octopode (D:12)
  A black mamba (shapeshifter) (D:13)
  A black mamba (Lair:6)
  A queen ant (Lair:5)
  A centaur zombie (D:13)
  7 spiny frogs
  5 fire drakes
  6 komodo dragons
  A deep elf priest (D:16)
  14 polar bears
  2 two-headed ogres
  3 giant fireflies (Lair:8)
  A tengu conjurer (D:16)
  3 komodo dragons (shapeshifter)
  A wind drake (shapeshifter) (D:13)
  12 blink frogs
  2 giant leeches (Lair:8)
  6 trolls
  A raven (Lair:4)
  2 basilisks
  2 deep elf magi (D:16)
  3 water elementals (D:12)
  20 slime creatures
  A trapdoor spider (D:13)
  2 wraiths
  A wyvern (Lair:8)
  5 elephant slugs (Lair:8)
  85 yaks
  17 ugly things
  7 sharks
  A vampire (D:15)
  8 vampire mosquitoes
  20 wolves
  A hippogriff (shapeshifter) (D:16)
  6 hippogriffs
  A deep elf fighter (D:16)
  2 necrophages
  5 hungry ghosts
  A human zombie (D:12)
  2 mottled dragons
  3 nagas
  6 soldier ants (Lair:5)
  3 porcupines
  2 sky beasts
  3 orc warriors
  2 black bears
  13 centaurs
  A manticore zombie (D:14)
  5 ice beasts
  3 giant goldfish
  An ogre (shapeshifter) (D:15)
  2 manticore skeletons
  8 ogres
  2 boring beetles
  19 crocodiles
  4 brain worms (Lair:8)
  A komodo dragon zombie (D:13)
  20 giant frogs
  20 giant slugs
  13 water moccasins
  A cyclops zombie (D:13)
  4 wandering mushrooms (D:8)
  5 big kobolds
  6 killer bees
  3 eyes of draining
  6 wights (D:13)
  9 electric eels
  6 crimson imps
  15 hounds
  8 big fish
  3 centaur skeletons
  3 jellies
  6 iguanas
  16 orc wizards
  3 orc priests
  2 scorpions
  42 worker ants
  7 sheep (Lair:8)
  A brain worm zombie (D:13)
  2 ogre zombies
  7 goliath beetles
  A big kobold skeleton (D:9)
  A mummy (D:10)
  2 worker ant zombies
  An orc zombie (D:11)
  5 gnolls
  27 adders
  3 giant centipedes
  A worm zombie (D:9)
  4 giant mites
  63 green rats
  3 white imps (Lair:1)
  20 worms
  An orc simulacrum (D:13)
  3 giant eyeballs
  8 giant geckos
  42 orcs
  15 bats
  6 giant cockroaches
  22 hobgoblins
  22 jackals
  41 kobolds
  10 quokkas
  A giant gecko zombie (D:5)
  3 giant newts
  A giant spore (D:6)
  15 goblins
  2 goblin skeletons (D:5)
  A hobgoblin skeleton (D:4)
  3 orc skeletons
  A quokka skeleton (D:4)
  20 rats
  A rat skeleton (D:4)
  A rat zombie (D:8)
  5 ballistomycetes (D:6)
  3 plants
978 creatures vanquished.

Vanquished Creatures (others)
  The ghost of Hirsch the Nimble, a powerful MfGl of Fedhas (IceCv)
  A quokka (D:6)
  10 fungi
  8 plants
20 creatures vanquished.

Grand Total: 998 creatures vanquished

Notes
Turn   | Place    | Note
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     0 | D:1      | Hirsch, the Draconian Conjurer, began the quest for the Orb.
     0 | D:1      | Reached XP level 1. HP: 14/14 MP: 3/3
   378 | D:1      | Reached XP level 2. HP: 20/20 MP: 0/4
   433 | D:1      | Found a shattered altar of Ashenzari.
   441 | D:1      | Became a worshipper of Ashenzari the Shackled
  1001 | D:2      | Learned a level 2 spell: Searing Ray
  1214 | D:2      | Reached skill level 5 in Conjurations
  1295 | D:2      | Reached XP level 3. HP: 26/26 MP: 4/6
  2136 | D:3      | Reached XP level 4. HP: 33/33 MP: 1/7
  2285 | D:3      | Reached skill level 6 in Conjurations
  2598 | D:4      | Found a glowing drain.
  2665 | D:4      | Reached XP level 5. HP: 38/38 MP: 2/9
  2713 | D:4      | Noticed an ogre
  2718 | D:4      | Killed an ogre
  2718 | D:4      | Reached skill level 7 in Conjurations
  2856 | Sewer    | Entered a sewer
  2931 | Sewer    | Reached XP level 6. HP: 39/45 MP: 3/10
  3223 | Sewer    | Found a glowing silver altar of Zin.
  3494 | D:4      | Reached skill level 8 in Conjurations
  3681 | D:4      | Found a staircase to the Ecumenical Temple.
  3739 | Temple   | Entered the Ecumenical Temple
  4215 | D:5      | Entered Level 5 of the Dungeon
  4263 | D:5      | Your scales start taking on a weird mottled pattern.
  4263 | D:5      | Reached XP level 7. HP: 44/50 MP: 8/12
  4619 | D:5      | Reached skill level 9 in Conjurations
  4955 | D:5      | Found a white marble altar of Elyvilon.
  5111 | D:5      | Found a deep blue altar of Sif Muna.
  5411 | D:6      | Identified the ring of Gluttony {MP+9 Str+4}
  5700 | D:6      | Reached skill level 10 in Conjurations
  5730 | D:6      | Acquired Ashenzari's first power
  5880 | D:6      | Found a white marble altar of Elyvilon.
  5971 | D:6      | Gained mutation: Your digestive system is specialised to digest meat. [potion of beneficial mutation]
  5972 | D:6      | Gained mutation: You have a pair of small horns on your head. [potion of beneficial mutation]
  5979 | D:6      | Reached skill level 1 in Fighting
  5979 | D:6      | Reached XP level 8. HP: 57/61 MP: 13/13
  6161 | D:6      | Learned a level 3 spell: Dazzling Spray
  6182 | D:6      | Reached skill level 5 in Fighting
  6544 | D:7      | Found a basalt altar of Yredelemnul.
  6544 | D:7      | Found a radiant altar of Vehumet.
  6632 | D:7      | Reached XP level 9. HP: 75/81 MP: 7/14
  6835 | D:6      | Identified a scroll of acquirement
  7051 | D:8      | Identified the +6,+6 trident "Hydra's Peril" {freeze, +Fly rN+ SInv}
  7225 | D:8      | Found a blossoming altar of Fedhas.
  7257 | D:8      | Identified the ring "Imia" {Dex+4 Int+2 Dam+7}
  7323 | D:8      | Got the short sword "Vekerr" {vamp, rC+ rN+}
  7861 | D:8      | Identified the +0,+8 short sword "Vekerr" {vamp, rC+ rN+} (You found it on level 8 of the Dungeon)
  7968 | D:8      | Reached skill level 10 in Fighting
  8106 | D:8      | Reached skill level 11 in Fighting
  8196 | D:9      | Noticed Hirsch's ghost (experienced FeCK)
  8204 | D:9      | Killed Hirsch's ghost
  8343 | D:9      | HP: 4/89 [centaur/arrow (7)]
  8649 | D:9      | Reached XP level 10. HP: 45/96 MP: 16/16
  8965 | D:9      | Noticed Maurice
  8995 | D:9      | Killed Maurice
  8995 | D:9      | Reached skill level 5 in Dodging
  9555 | D:10     | Entered Level 10 of the Dungeon
  9624 | D:10     | Found a staircase to the Orcish Mines.
  9660 | D:10     | Acquired Ashenzari's second power
  9667 | D:10     | Found a staircase to the Lair.
 10079 | Lair:1   | Entered Level 1 of the Lair of Beasts
 10098 | Lair:1   | Reached skill level 1 in Hexes
 10319 | Lair:1   | Found a dark tunnel.
 10331 | Volcano  | Entered a volcano
 10337 | Volcano  | Acquired Ashenzari's third power
 10540 | Lair:1   | Identified the +5,+11 cutlass "Ynuobuhu" {slice, rC+ Dex+2} (You found it on level 8 of the Dungeon)
 10663 | Lair:1   | Reached skill level 1 in Shields
 10692 | Lair:1   | Identified the +6,+2 falchion of the Thing {freeze, rPois rN+ MR++ Str+3}
 10692 | Lair:1   | Noticed an ice statue
 10770 | Lair:1   | Noticed Gastronok
 11978 | Lair:2   | Acquired Ashenzari's fourth power
 11987 | Lair:2   | Reached XP level 11. HP: 102/102 MP: 17/17
 12030 | Lair:2   | Found a basalt altar of Yredelemnul.
 12030 | Lair:2   | Noticed an oklob plant
 12187 | Lair:2   | Killed Gastronok
 12725 | Lair:3   | Reached skill level 12 in Conjurations
 12811 | Lair:3   | Found a staircase to the Swamp.
 12892 | Lair:3   | Noticed a four-headed hydra
 12902 | Lair:3   | Killed a four-headed hydra
 13385 | Lair:4   | Noticed a five-headed hydra
 13405 | Lair:4   | Killed a five-headed hydra
 13405 | Lair:4   | Reached skill level 13 in Conjurations
 13949 | Lair:4   | Noticed an eight-headed hydra
 13956 | Lair:4   | Killed an eight-headed hydra
 13999 | Lair:4   | Found a snail-covered altar of Cheibriados.
 14363 | Lair:5   | Identified the Incunabulum of Evil Arcane Weapons (You found it on level 5 of the Lair of Beasts)
 14464 | Lair:5   | Reached skill level 14 in Conjurations
 14909 | Lair:5   | Reached XP level 12. HP: 110/110 MP: 18/18
 15232 | Lair:5   | Noticed a four-headed hydra
 15244 | Lair:5   | Killed a four-headed hydra
 15514 | Lair:5   | Reached skill level 15 in Conjurations
 15566 | Lair:5   | Learned a level 7 spell: Orb of Destruction
 16595 | Lair:6   | Found a staircase to the Snake Pit.
 17376 | Lair:6   | Reached skill level 16 in Conjurations
 17790 | Lair:6   | Noticed an eight-headed hydra
 17799 | Lair:6   | Killed an eight-headed hydra
 17800 | Lair:6   | Noticed an eight-headed hydra
 17816 | Lair:6   | Killed an eight-headed hydra
 17845 | Lair:6   | Noticed a seven-headed hydra
 17858 | Lair:6   | Killed a seven-headed hydra
 18307 | Lair:6   | Reached XP level 13. HP: 63/116 MP: 19/19
 18537 | Lair:6   | Reached skill level 1 in Polearms
 19269 | Lair:7   | Noticed Fannar
 19291 | Lair:7   | Killed Fannar
 19386 | Lair:7   | Found a staircase to the Slime Pits.
 19828 | Lair:8   | Entered Level 8 of the Lair of Beasts
 19862 | Lair:8   | Reached skill level 5 in Polearms
 21242 | Lair:8   | Learned a level 2 spell: Swiftness
 21292 | Lair:8   | Reached skill level 1 in Charms
 22212 | Lair:8   | Reached XP level 14. HP: 124/124 MP: 20/20
 23126 | D:11     | Reached skill level 10 in Dodging
 23290 | D:11     | Identified the +1,+11 cutlass "Bieceba" {elec, MR++ Int+2}
 23397 | D:11     | Paralysed by a giant eyeball for 2 turns
 23721 | D:12     | Found a frozen archway.
 23725 | IceCv    | Entered an ice cave
 23843 | IceCv    | Killed Hirsch's ghost
 24585 | IceCv    | Noticed a frost giant
 24705 | IceCv    | Killed a frost giant
 25325 | IceCv    | Learned a level 2 spell: Repel Missiles
 25703 | D:12     | Paralysed by a giant eyeball for 3 turns
 27243 | D:13     | Found a portal to a secret trove of treasure.
 27775 | D:13     | Reached XP level 15. HP: 89/130 MP: 21/21
 28626 | D:13     | Identified the cursed -1,-1 halberd of Calamity {pain, +Blink SInv}
 29464 | D:14     | Found a shadowy altar of Dithmenos.
 30707 | D:15     | Entered Level 15 of the Dungeon
 30773 | D:15     | Found Veintor's Distillery.
 30843 | D:15     | Found a gate to the Vaults.
 31613 | D:16     | Entered Level 16 of the Dungeon
 31893 | D:16     | Noticed Frances
 31909 | D:16     | Killed Frances
 31909 | D:16     | Reached skill level 10 in Polearms
 32187 | D:16     | Identified the +5,+8 war axe "Fritho" {venom, rElec rPois rC+ rN+ Str+2}
 32246 | D:16     | Found a staircase to the Depths.


Action                   |  1- 3 |  4- 6 |  7- 9 | 10-12 | 13-15 || total
-------------------------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------++-------
Melee: Unarmed           |    11 |       |       |       |       ||    11
       Club              |     5 |       |       |       |       ||     5
       Short sword       |    19 |       |       |       |       ||    19
       Mace              |    15 |    42 |    89 |       |       ||   146
       Trident           |       |       |    78 |   772 |  1621 ||  2471
 Cast: Magic Dart        |    75 |    67 |   134 |    32 |     4 ||   312
       Searing Ray       |       |     9 |    29 |    12 |     1 ||    51
       Orb of Destructio |       |       |       |     5 |    36 ||    41
       Repel Missiles    |       |       |       |       |     3 ||     3
 Abil: Breathe Sticky Fl |       |       |     4 |     2 |     1 ||     7
       Evoke Flight      |       |       |     1 |       |       ||     1
Evoke: Wand              |       |       |     4 |     5 |     3 ||    12
  Use: Scroll            |     3 |     5 |    19 |    16 |     8 ||    51
       Potion            |       |     1 |     4 |     4 |     1 ||    10
 Stab: Sleeping          |       |       |     6 |    20 |    26 ||    52
       Distracted        |       |       |       |     2 |     5 ||     7


much love for ya
-André

[Sprucery]

hat of pondering

Don't wear this. +3 hat with ponderousness, 30 MR, +5 int and +10 MP. Sometimes Gastronok is wearing it!
<crate> if you have to ask if you should use ponderinghat the answer is no

[DracheReborn]

Hat of pondering is a little less bad now (+1 move delay instead of +2 previously). I used it for a while on my NaEn, figuring that 15 move delay isn't that much worse than 14.

With swiftness and hat of pondering on a normal speed character, I think you'd still be faster than normal.

[Sandman25]

Hat of Pondering is best for hybrids IMHO and this character looks like a hybrid indeed. Just don't forget to remove the hat if you see even one serious problem caused by wearing it (my last character removed it after almost dying to Elephant).

[Magipi]

Hi guys!
I made another DrCj, (...)

Then please check the thread title again

[Hirsch I]

oh, my bad! I'll change it.
update, just cleared orc, and gone to swamp. right now at swamp 4. nothing useful at the mines

[Hirsch I]

breezed through Dungeon, Swamp, Snake, Orc, Elf, Depths and Vaults 1-4.
Obliterated without chance of survival at vaults 5. this shit is hard.
RIP, Hirsch the Destroyer.

[Sandman25]

Obliterated without chance of survival at vaults 5.

Did you say "unavoidable death"? If you are not ready for silver rune, go for slimy or abyssal one IMHO.

[Magipi]

Obliterated without chance of survival at vaults 5.

Did you say "unavoidable death"? If you are not ready for silver rune, go for slimy or abyssal one IMHO.

I think Abyss:3 is definitely worse than Vaults:5.

Slime is a possibility though.

[Hirsch I]

no, it was not unavoidable. I just put myself in a terrible situation. I breezed through Elf:3, and destroyed both Snake and Swamp. dephts was piece of cake as well, but vaults:5 messed me up completely.

[AzuredreamsXT]

no, it was not unavoidable. I just put myself in a terrible situation. I breezed through Elf:3, and destroyed both Snake and Swamp. dephts was piece of cake as well, but vaults:5 messed me up completely.

That sequence of events (switch snake with spider) just happened to me as well. Stepped down to vaults, warden comes into view, stairs sealed, boned. I kind of wish we had a less brutal option for a third rune than V5 or dealing with slime pits and the damn royal jelly.

[Hirsch I]

Abyss, maybe?

[damiac]

Really? The abyss over vault 5?

Lately I've changed my vault 5 strategy. I used to try to stairdance the enemies, but as you saw, sometimes the stairways get locked, then you're really in trouble.

On my recent characters, firstly, I wait until I've cleared two lair branches, and depths, before I try vault 5.
Then, I go down the stairs, and immediately head for the closest opening in the enemies (you can squeeze through diagonally). Then I run toward the edge of the map.

Your strategy at this point depends largely on your character, but this is a good time to quaff those potions of agility, might, or brilliance. The vault guards aren't especially tough, but there are a lot of them.


Note vault5 isn't -ctele. So if you have controlled teleport, or better yet c-blink, you can use that in conjunction with magic mapping to move the fight wherever it best serves you. The worst place to fight those guards is at the staircase, you want the option of running back there to escape if necessary.

[Sandman25]

I used hatch for entering Vaults 5 on my last character (it wasn't Fo so I could teleport if unlucky). It was pretty hard (MiBe with plain spear) but doable, I think on average you are expected to land in a less dangerous location than the one near stairs.

[arcanist]

Note vault5 isn't -ctele.

exactly. Why not just immediately teleport to some of the corners of the vault and then clean the vaults slowly?

[SublimeSnake]

Note vault5 isn't -ctele.

exactly. Why not just immediately teleport to some of the corners of the vault and then clean the vaults slowly?

Well recently the corners were removed from the quadrant things so monsters can get to you even there. Plus the corridors in those areas are still I think 3 wide.

[damiac]

Well you want to fight them somewhere else primarily so you're not fighting so damn many at once. You still aren't going to be able to get them into a 1 tile corridor or anything.
The other reason to fight them somewhere else is so you have stairs to run back to, that are less likely to be locked by a stupid warden.

[Hirsch I]

I tele-ed immediately after going downstairs, to a less open space. but was marked immediately, wich... is pretty bad. I really dont know how to deal with mark.

[Sandman25]

Read vulnerability (after killing Vault Sentinels).

[Hirsch I]

why?

[apparentbliss]

http://crawl.chaosforge.org/Scroll_of_vulnerability purges the Mark off you. It does other stuff, too, but that's why the recommendation.

[Hirsch I]

wow. half a year of crawling, and I just discovered this now. talk about spoilery.
thanks a lot!

[and into]

More obvious, but using mark against you counts as a spell, and thus sentinels cannot use it while silenced. Silence not only prevents, but also interrupts convokers' word of recall, which is pretty great because even if they manage to get out of the radius of effect of silence, they have to start over at the beginning. (Silence does *not* prevent Vault Wardens from activating their "sealing rune," though.)

[Hirsch I]

oh, yeah! damn, I had silence and could have memorised it. if I only knew...