CIP: DDNe (almost Lair and only have Pain)

Monday, 6th January 2014, 05:36 by Frank2368

Code:: Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.14-a0-1765-g49ce880 (console) character file. Frank2368 the Reanimator (Deep Dwarf Necromancer) Turns: 12848, Time: 01:46:20 HP 75/75 AC 11 Str 13 (15) XL: 10 Next: 18% MP 21/21 EV 14 Int 26 God: Makhleb [***...] Gold 693 SH 0 Dex 13 Spells: 3 memorised, 9 levels left rFire . . . SeeInvis . F - +0,+3 dwarf war axe (chop) rCold . . . Clarity . n - +0 leather armour rNeg + . . Conserve + (no shield) rPois . rCorr + H - +0 helmet rElec . rRot . q - +2 cloak {rCorr, Cons} SustAb . . Spirit . w - +0 pair of dwarf gloves rMut . Warding . i - +2 pair of boots Saprov . . . Stasis . m - amulet of rage D - +3 ring of strength J - ring of positive energy @: non-regenerating, brilliant, very slightly contaminated, hasted, very quick, quite resistant to hostile enchantments, quite stealthy A: damage resistance, recharge devices, clever 1, sense surroundings 2, slow healing 3 a: Device Recharging, Minor Destruction, Lesser Servant of Makhleb, Renounce Religion, Evoke Berserk Rage You are on level 11 of the Dungeon. You worship Makhleb. Makhleb is most pleased with you. You are not hungry. You have visited 2 branches of the dungeon, and seen 12 of its levels. You have also visited: Sewer. You have collected 693 gold pieces. Inventory: Hand weapons z - a +0,+2 hand axe of flaming F - a +0,+3 dwarven war axe of chopping (weapon) G - a -1,+0 orcish dagger of venom Missiles o - 2 steel tomahawks (quivered) Armour i - a +2 pair of boots (worn) n - a +0 leather armour (worn) q - a +2 cloak of preservation (worn) w - a +0 pair of dwarven gloves (worn) H - a +0 helmet (worn) Magical devices c - a wand of heal wounds (5) e - a wand of magic darts (12) f - a wand of invisibility (3) r - a wand of random effects (19) C - a wand of teleportation (2) K - a wand of random effects N - a glass wand Comestibles d - 9 bread rations l - 7 meat rations Scrolls h - 3 scrolls of fear t - 7 scrolls of remove curse u - 5 scrolls of teleportation Jewellery m - an amulet of rage (around neck) y - an uncursed ring of sustain abilities D - a +3 ring of strength (right hand) J - a ring of positive energy (left hand) Potions a - a potion of magic g - 8 potions of curing s - 2 potions of restore abilities v - 4 potions of heal wounds E - 2 potions of agility Books b - a book of Necromancy Spells Type Level *Pain Necromancy 1 Animate Skeleton Necromancy 1 Lethal Infusion Charms/Necromancy 2 *Vampiric Draining Necromancy 3 Regeneration Charms/Necromancy 3 Animate Dead Necromancy 4 *Control Undead Necromancy 4 x - a book of Beasts Spells Type Level Summon Butterflies Summoning 1 Sticks to Snakes Transmutation 2 Call Canine Familiar Summoning 3 Ice Form Ice/Transmutation 4 Summon Ice Beast Ice/Summoning 4 Summon Hydra Summoning 7 Magical staves B - an uncursed staff of wizardry Rods j - a +0 rod of warding (10/10) (You found it on level 6 of the Dungeon) Skills: - Level 8.4 Axes - Level 7.4 Dodging - Level 7.3 Stealth - Level 4.4 Spellcasting + Level 10.1 Necromancy You have 9 spell levels left. You know the following spells: Your Spells Type Power Failure Level Hunger a - Pain Necr #### 1% 1 None b - Vampiric Draining Necr ######.... 1% 3 ##..... c - Control Undead Necr ######.... 1% 4 ####... Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations Branches: Dungeon (11/16) Temple (1/1) D:7 Orc (0/4) D:10 Lair: D:8-11 Altars: Ashenzari Kikubaaqudgha Makhleb Nemelex Xobeh Okawaru Trog Vehumet Yredelemnul Shops: D:6 ( D:7 : D:8 } D:10 ( Annotations: D:4 morik's ghost, average NaCj D:9 Gastronok Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations You are resistant to damage. You can recharge devices by infusing magical energy. You passively map the area around you. You do not heal naturally. Your mind is acute. (Int +2) Message History Drink which item? (? for menu, Esc to quit) You feel clever. You feel fantastic! It was a potion of beneficial mutation. Drink which item? (? for menu, Esc to quit) There was something very wrong with that liquid! You feel weakened. It was a potion of degeneration. Drink which item? (? for menu, Esc to quit) Okay, then. Drop what? (_ for help) (? for menu, Esc to quit) You drop a potion of degeneration. Wield which item (- for none, * to show all)? (? for menu, Esc to quit) You are now empty-handed. Wield which item (- for none, * to show all)? (? for menu, Esc to quit) F - a +0,+3 dwarven war axe of chopping (weapon) Search for what [Enter for "leather", or ? for help]? buckl Can't find anything matching that. Search for what [Enter for "buckl", or ? for help]? shield Can't find anything matching that. Save game and exit? ############ ...........# #########..# #..# #..# #..# #..######## #######..#....@.# #..........####.# #.###....### #.# #.# #.#.## #.######## ###<# #.#.# #........# ....# #.#.# ########.# ##### #.#.# #.# #.#.# #.# #.#.# #.# There are no monsters in sight! Vanquished Creatures A griffon skeleton (D:11) A wyvern (D:10) 4 yaks A hippogriff (D:7) A hungry ghost (D:7) A necrophage (D:9) 2 orc warriors 3 ogres 3 phantoms 3 sky beasts 3 centaurs 7 giant frogs An eye of draining (D:10) A yak zombie (D:8) 3 wights (D:7) A troll skeleton (D:11) A quasit (D:9) A crimson imp (D:5) 3 goliath beetles (D:10) 4 orc priests 3 jellies 2 scorpions (D:4) 3 hounds 3 iguanas 9 orc wizards 8 worker ants A killer bee zombie (D:10) An ogre skeleton (D:5) A hound zombie (D:6) 7 gnolls 11 adders A giant mite (D:7) An inept feature mimic (D:6) 4 worms 4 grey rats (D:3) 4 giant geckos 2 oozes (D:11) 29 orcs 10 bats 7 giant cockroaches 19 hobgoblins 12 kobolds 7 quokkas 6 ball pythons 5 giant newts A giant newt skeleton (D:4) A giant spore (D:9) 9 goblins A hobgoblin zombie (D:6) 5 jackals 2 orc skeletons 13 rats A rat skeleton (D:6) 238 creatures vanquished. Vanquished Creatures (collateral kills) A hobgoblin (D:8) 1 creature vanquished. Vanquished Creatures (others) A giant spore (D:9) 1 creature vanquished. Grand Total: 240 creatures vanquished Notes Turn | Place | Note -------------------------------------------------------------- 0 | D:1 | Frank2368, the Deep Dwarf Necromancer, began the quest for the Orb. 0 | D:1 | Reached XP level 1. HP: 15/15 MP: 2/2 413 | D:1 | Reached XP level 2. HP: 22/22 MP: 0/3 489 | D:1 | Reached skill level 5 in Necromancy 1342 | D:2 | Reached XP level 3. HP: 6/28 MP: 0/5 1362 | D:2 | Learned a level 3 spell: Vampiric Draining 1806 | D:2 | Reached skill level 6 in Necromancy 1987 | D:2 | Identified a +2 cloak of preservation (You found it on level 2 of the Dungeon) 2086 | D:2 | Reached XP level 4. HP: 19/36 MP: 1/6 2913 | D:3 | Paralysed by a potion of paralysis for 6 turns 2952 | D:3 | Found a glowing drain. 3009 | D:3 | Reached skill level 7 in Necromancy 3009 | D:3 | Reached XP level 5. HP: 30/42 MP: 2/7 3013 | Sewer | Entered a sewer 3124 | Sewer | Noticed Purgy 3883 | D:5 | Entered Level 5 of the Dungeon 4518 | D:4 | Reached skill level 8 in Necromancy 4686 | D:4 | Reached skill level 1 in Axes 4686 | D:4 | Reached XP level 6. HP: 43/49 MP: 1/9 5018 | D:4 | Noticed morik's ghost (average NaCj) 5447 | D:6 | Found a shattered altar of Ashenzari. 5457 | D:6 | Saw a vision of the Shoals and the Spider Nest. 5457 | D:6 | Noticed a merfolk 5457 | D:6 | Noticed a sea snake 5457 | D:6 | Noticed a merfolk 5457 | D:6 | Noticed a sea snake 5457 | D:6 | Noticed a merfolk 5457 | D:6 | Noticed a mermaid 5457 | D:6 | Noticed a redback 5458 | D:6 | Noticed a sea snake 5458 | D:6 | Noticed a redback 5459 | D:6 | Noticed a hippogriff 5719 | D:6 | Identified a +0 rod of warding (10/10) (You found it on level 6 of the Dungeon) 5758 | D:6 | Reached XP level 7. HP: 49/55 MP: 3/12 6133 | D:6 | Found a burning altar of Makhleb. 6133 | D:6 | Found an iron altar of Okawaru. 6134 | D:6 | Found an ancient bone altar of Kikubaaqudgha. 6137 | D:6 | Became a worshipper of Makhleb the Destroyer 6151 | D:6 | Found a basalt altar of Yredelemnul. 6290 | D:6 | Found Xadigyko's Weapon Emporium. 6530 | D:7 | Found Ryelogel's Book Shop. 6540 | D:7 | Reached skill level 5 in Axes 6717 | D:7 | Found a staircase to the Ecumenical Temple. 6722 | Temple | Entered the Ecumenical Temple 6811 | D:7 | Reached XP level 8. HP: 48/62 MP: 16/16 6890 | D:7 | Reached skill level 5 in Dodging 7132 | D:7 | Acquired Makhleb's first power 7315 | D:7 | Noticed a hill giant 7562 | D:5 | Noticed a hill giant 8071 | D:7 | Learned a level 4 spell: Control Undead 8140 | D:8 | Found Qageot's Gadget Shop. 8197 | D:8 | Reached skill level 5 in Stealth 8343 | D:8 | Acquired Makhleb's second power 8510 | D:8 | Noticed a troll 8591 | D:8 | Gained mutation: You passively map the area around you. [level up] 8591 | D:8 | Reached XP level 9. HP: 57/68 MP: 11/17 8605 | D:8 | Noticed a wandering mushroom 9087 | D:9 | Reached skill level 9 in Necromancy 9457 | D:9 | Noticed Gastronok 9502 | D:10 | Entered Level 10 of the Dungeon 9742 | D:10 | Found Ulamp's Weapon Emporium. 9961 | D:10 | Acquired Makhleb's third power 10346 | D:10 | Reached skill level 10 in Necromancy 10468 | D:10 | Found a staircase to the Orcish Mines. 11720 | D:11 | Reached XP level 10. HP: 66/75 MP: 10/18 11754 | D:11 | Noticed an elephant 11760 | D:11 | Noticed an elephant 12054 | D:11 | Noticed a hill giant 12094 | D:10 | Noticed a hill giant 12843 | D:11 | Gained mutation: Your mind is acute. (Int +2) [potion of beneficial mutation] Action | 1- 3 | 4- 6 | 7- 9 | 10-12 || total -------------------------+-------+-------+-------+-------++------- Melee: Unarmed | 5 | | | || 5 Hand axe | | 44 | 235 | || 279 Whip | | 20 | | || 20 Rod | | 4 | | || 4 War axe | | | 19 | 36 || 55 Cast: Pain | 58 | 123 | 222 | 53 || 456 Vampiric Draining | 5 | 26 | 59 | 7 || 97 Control Undead | | | 3 | || 3 Abil: Evoke Berserk Rag | | | 1 | || 1 Evoke: Wand | | | 1 | || 1 Use: Scroll | | 11 | 15 | 1 || 27 Potion | | 1 | 1 | 4 || 6 Stab: Sleeping | | | 3 | 1 || 4

So I've really fallen in love with the Deep Dwarf, it's probably my favorite race right now. This one seems to have made it reasonably far, and I really don't want him to die just yet. I really don't have a cohesive plan as to what to do with this character. The only offensive spell I have in my arsenal is pain, along with vampiric draining for healing.

I have already skipped a lot of enemies, I have 2 or 3 Hill Giants lying around in D5-D7 waiting for me and Gastronok and Pikel sitting in D:9. I have no ways to deal with them, and I'm just hoping I can make it to Lair where I might find some books and better my chances. However, I don't think my little war axe and Pain are going to be of much use for even the foreseeable future, with Hill Giants and Elephants on this level. I honestly am not too sure what to do right now.

I have a Book of Beasts with some good summoning spells inside, but I'm not too sure about dedicating my skills into Summonings as DD don't have a particularly high aptitude for it. Makhleb's spells and summonings seem interesting especially with the +3 Invocations aptitude on the DD, but sacrificing HP on a DD just doesn't make much sense.

I would really love for this character to go further, so any help would be greatly appreciated.Thanks, everyone.

Monday, 6th January 2014, 06:57 by Siegurt

So:

You're probably better off animating dead and using Makhelb's powers for followers than summoning, you've already got plenty of necromancy skill trained for animate dead.

VD actualy does pretty good damage (In addition to healing you)

I'd probably get some fighting at this point, 5 points of fighting would probably help considerably and very cheaply.

If pain and VD aren't cutting it, I'd use invocations to use Makhelb's destruction for ranged damage, and just train up axes and beat things up with your melee weapon (At least until I got some of the higher necromancy spells, Simulacrum, bolt of draining, excruciating wounds are all excellent when you have them)

War axes are probably good enough to get you through the lair provided you're careful, obviously upgrading to a better axe when one becomes available is a good idea (If you do find excruciating wounds, even a hand axe can be devastating with high necromancy skill.)

Tuesday, 7th January 2014, 00:10 by dirtywick

You don't need summoning, you have invocations. 1 or 2 Greater Demons can handle almost anything until much later in the game but you'll need to focus on at least 10 invocations before attempting that and you should still be ready for a failure. You should be able to take out things like hill giants or pikel with one to some lesser demons as well. You've probably found the lair if there's elephants about.

Personally, I'd rather do 3 levels of orc and avoid anything especially nasty and train invocations a bit instead of tackling lair and having to deal with yak packs and blink frogs.

Tuesday, 7th January 2014, 00:33 by Frank2368

Thanks, I've put some training into fighting, dodging, stealth and 5 points in my buckler for resilience and am beginning to get invocations up. I've made it into lair, and might go back to mines because there's a hydra in every level which I've left out and chances are if I keep going I'm going to run into one eventually while climbing stairs.

Code:: Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.14-a0-1773-ge500af7 (console) character file. Frank2368 the Cleaver (Deep Dwarf Necromancer) Turns: 21522, Time: 03:54:28 HP 109/109 AC 11 Str 17 XL: 12 Next: 68% MP 23/23 EV 18 Int 21 God: Makhleb [******] Gold 1129 SH 10 Dex 13 Spells: 5 memorised, 6 levels left rFire . . . SeeInvis . k - +2,-1 mace "Cyisag" {crush, Stlth+} rCold . . . Clarity . n - +0 leather armour rNeg . . . Conserve + O - +0 buckler rPois . rCorr + H - +0 helmet rElec . rRot . q - +2 cloak {rCorr, Cons} SustAb . . Spirit . w - +0 pair of dwarf gloves rMut . Warding . i - +2 pair of boots Saprov . . . Stasis . m - amulet of rage D - +3 ring of strength x - +1 ring of evasion @: non-regenerating, quite resistant to hostile enchantments, very stealthy A: damage resistance, recharge devices, clever 1, sense surroundings 2, slow healing 3 a: Device Recharging, Minor Destruction, Lesser Servant of Makhleb, Major Destruction, Greater Servant of Makhleb, Renounce Religion, Evoke Berserk Rage You are on level 6 of the Lair of Beasts. You worship Makhleb. Makhleb is exalted by your worship. You are not hungry. You have visited 3 branches of the dungeon, and seen 18 of its levels. You have also visited: Sewer and Ice Cave. You have collected 1129 gold pieces. Inventory: Hand weapons k - the +2,-1 mace "Cyisag" (weapon) {crush, Stlth+} (You found it on level 11 of the Dungeon) It inflicts extra damage upon your enemies. It makes you much more stealthy. F - a +0,+4 dwarven war axe of chopping R - a -1,+2 orcish trident of protection Missiles o - 2 steel tomahawks (quivered) Armour i - a +2 pair of boots (worn) n - a +0 leather armour (worn) q - a +2 cloak of preservation (worn) w - a +0 pair of dwarven gloves (worn) H - a +0 helmet (worn) O - a +0 buckler (worn) Magical devices c - a wand of heal wounds (5) f - a wand of invisibility (3) r - a wand of random effects (18) C - a wand of teleportation (1) I - a wand of digging {zapped: 1} Comestibles d - 5 bread rations l - 6 bananas G - a choko L - a lychee S - 3 strawberries Scrolls b - a scroll of immolation h - 4 scrolls of fear t - 6 scrolls of remove curse u - 6 scrolls of teleportation Jewellery e - an uncursed amulet of stasis m - an amulet of rage (around neck) x - a +1 ring of evasion (left hand) y - an uncursed ring of sustain abilities D - a +3 ring of strength (right hand) J - an uncursed ring of positive energy Potions a - 3 potions of magic g - 9 potions of curing p - a potion of resistance s - 3 potions of restore abilities v - 7 potions of heal wounds z - 2 potions of speed M - a potion of cure mutation Magical staves B - an uncursed staff of wizardry Rods j - a +0 rod of warding (10/10) (You found it on level 6 of the Dungeon) Skills: - Level 7.6 Fighting - Level 11.0 Axes - Level 11.0 Dodging - Level 9.7 Stealth - Level 5.0 Shields - Level 4.4 Spellcasting - Level 10.4 Necromancy + Level 6.0 Invocations You have 6 spell levels left. You know the following spells: Your Spells Type Power Failure Level Hunger a - Pain Necr #### 1% 1 None b - Vampiric Draining Necr #####..... 1% 3 ###.... c - Control Undead Necr #####..... 1% 4 ####... d - Animate Skeleton Necr N/A 1% 1 None e - Animate Dead Necr N/A 1% 4 ####... Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations Branches: Dungeon (11/16) Temple (1/1) D:7 Orc (0/4) D:10 Lair (6/8) D:11 Shoals (0/5) Lair:5 Spider (0/5) Lair:6 Slime: Lair:6-8 Altars: Ashenzari Kikubaaqudgha Makhleb Nemelex Xobeh Okawaru Trog Vehumet Yredelemnul Shops: D:6 ( D:7 : D:8 } D:10 ( Annotations: D:4 morik's ghost, average NaCj D:9 Gastronok Lair:5 !HYDRA CAMPING BOTTOM RIGHT STAIRS Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations You are resistant to damage. You can recharge devices by infusing magical energy. You passively map the area around you. You do not heal naturally. Your mind is acute. (Int +2) Message History Unknown command. Annotate level on other end of current stairs? New annotation for Lair:5 (include '!' for warning): !HYDRA CAMPING BOTTOM RIGHT STAIRS You are feeling hungry. There is a stone staircase leading down here. Press: ? - help, v - describe, . - travel A stone staircase leading down. There is a stone staircase leading down here. Eat a chunk of hound flesh? (ye/n/q/i?) This raw flesh tastes terrible. You continue eating. There is a stone staircase leading down here. There is a stone staircase leading down here. You climb downwards. There is a stone staircase leading up here. Unknown command. Drink which item? (? for menu, Esc to quit) Okay, then. 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Vanquished Creatures A griffon (Lair:5) 6 elephants A black mamba (Lair:6) 12 spiny frogs A mermaid (Lair:5) A komodo dragon (Lair:3) A polar bear (Lair:6) 4 fire drakes 2 blink frogs (Lair:1) Prince Ribbit (Lair:1) 2 slime creatures (D:11) 3 trapdoor spiders (Lair:6) A griffon skeleton (D:11) A wyvern (D:10) 28 yaks 5 hippogriffs 10 wolves A hungry ghost (D:7) A necrophage (D:9) 2 orc warriors 13 porcupines 7 ice beasts (IceCv) 3 ogres 3 phantoms 3 sky beasts 3 centaurs 4 crocodiles 4 giant slugs 16 giant frogs 8 water moccasins An eye of draining (D:10) A yak zombie (D:8) 3 wights (D:7) A troll skeleton (D:11) A quasit (D:9) A crimson imp (D:5) 3 goliath beetles (D:10) 4 orc priests 4 jellies 2 scorpions (D:4) 9 hounds 5 iguanas 9 orc wizards 10 worker ants A killer bee zombie (D:10) An ogre skeleton (D:5) A hound zombie (D:6) A mummy (D:11) 7 gnolls 17 adders 3 giant centipedes A giant mite (D:7) An inept feature mimic (D:6) 12 white imps 4 worms 4 grey rats (D:3) A giant eyeball (D:11) 6 giant geckos 2 oozes (D:11) 29 orcs 15 bats 7 giant cockroaches 19 hobgoblins 12 kobolds 18 quokkas 6 ball pythons 6 giant newts A giant newt skeleton (D:4) A giant spore (D:9) 9 goblins A hobgoblin zombie (D:6) 10 jackals 2 orc skeletons 19 rats A rat skeleton (D:6) 2 butterflies (Lair:6) 4 fungi 426 creatures vanquished. Vanquished Creatures (collateral kills) A hobgoblin (D:8) 1 creature vanquished. Vanquished Creatures (others) An elephant zombie (D:11) A giant spore (D:9) A fungus (Lair:2) 3 creatures vanquished. Grand Total: 430 creatures vanquished Notes Turn | Place | Note -------------------------------------------------------------- 0 | D:1 | Frank2368, the Deep Dwarf Necromancer, began the quest for the Orb. 0 | D:1 | Reached XP level 1. HP: 15/15 MP: 2/2 413 | D:1 | Reached XP level 2. HP: 22/22 MP: 0/3 489 | D:1 | Reached skill level 5 in Necromancy 1342 | D:2 | Reached XP level 3. HP: 6/28 MP: 0/5 1362 | D:2 | Learned a level 3 spell: Vampiric Draining 1806 | D:2 | Reached skill level 6 in Necromancy 1987 | D:2 | Identified a +2 cloak of preservation (You found it on level 2 of the Dungeon) 2086 | D:2 | Reached XP level 4. HP: 19/36 MP: 1/6 2913 | D:3 | Paralysed by a potion of paralysis for 6 turns 2952 | D:3 | Found a glowing drain. 3009 | D:3 | Reached skill level 7 in Necromancy 3009 | D:3 | Reached XP level 5. HP: 30/42 MP: 2/7 3013 | Sewer | Entered a sewer 3124 | Sewer | Noticed Purgy 3883 | D:5 | Entered Level 5 of the Dungeon 4518 | D:4 | Reached skill level 8 in Necromancy 4686 | D:4 | Reached skill level 1 in Axes 4686 | D:4 | Reached XP level 6. HP: 43/49 MP: 1/9 5018 | D:4 | Noticed morik's ghost (average NaCj) 5447 | D:6 | Found a shattered altar of Ashenzari. 5457 | D:6 | Saw a vision of the Shoals and the Spider Nest. 5457 | D:6 | Noticed a merfolk 5457 | D:6 | Noticed a sea snake 5457 | D:6 | Noticed a merfolk 5457 | D:6 | Noticed a sea snake 5457 | D:6 | Noticed a merfolk 5457 | D:6 | Noticed a mermaid 5457 | D:6 | Noticed a redback 5458 | D:6 | Noticed a sea snake 5458 | D:6 | Noticed a redback 5459 | D:6 | Noticed a hippogriff 5719 | D:6 | Identified a +0 rod of warding (10/10) (You found it on level 6 of the Dungeon) 5758 | D:6 | Reached XP level 7. HP: 49/55 MP: 3/12 6133 | D:6 | Found a burning altar of Makhleb. 6133 | D:6 | Found an iron altar of Okawaru. 6134 | D:6 | Found an ancient bone altar of Kikubaaqudgha. 6137 | D:6 | Became a worshipper of Makhleb the Destroyer 6151 | D:6 | Found a basalt altar of Yredelemnul. 6290 | D:6 | Found Xadigyko's Weapon Emporium. 6530 | D:7 | Found Ryelogel's Book Shop. 6540 | D:7 | Reached skill level 5 in Axes 6717 | D:7 | Found a staircase to the Ecumenical Temple. 6722 | Temple | Entered the Ecumenical Temple 6811 | D:7 | Reached XP level 8. HP: 48/62 MP: 16/16 6890 | D:7 | Reached skill level 5 in Dodging 7132 | D:7 | Acquired Makhleb's first power 7315 | D:7 | Noticed a hill giant 7562 | D:5 | Noticed a hill giant 8071 | D:7 | Learned a level 4 spell: Control Undead 8140 | D:8 | Found Qageot's Gadget Shop. 8197 | D:8 | Reached skill level 5 in Stealth 8343 | D:8 | Acquired Makhleb's second power 8510 | D:8 | Noticed a troll 8591 | D:8 | Gained mutation: You passively map the area around you. [level up] 8591 | D:8 | Reached XP level 9. HP: 57/68 MP: 11/17 8605 | D:8 | Noticed a wandering mushroom 9087 | D:9 | Reached skill level 9 in Necromancy 9457 | D:9 | Noticed Gastronok 9502 | D:10 | Entered Level 10 of the Dungeon 9742 | D:10 | Found Ulamp's Weapon Emporium. 9961 | D:10 | Acquired Makhleb's third power 10346 | D:10 | Reached skill level 10 in Necromancy 10468 | D:10 | Found a staircase to the Orcish Mines. 11720 | D:11 | Reached XP level 10. HP: 66/75 MP: 10/18 11754 | D:11 | Noticed an elephant 11760 | D:11 | Noticed an elephant 12054 | D:11 | Noticed a hill giant 12094 | D:10 | Noticed a hill giant 12843 | D:11 | Gained mutation: Your mind is acute. (Int +2) [potion of beneficial mutation] 12848 | D:11 | Upgraded the game from 0.14-a0-1765-g49ce880 to 0.14-a0-1773-ge500af7 12905 | D:11 | Noticed a hill giant 13009 | D:11 | Reached skill level 1 in Fighting 13187 | D:11 | Learned a level 1 spell: Animate Skeleton 13192 | D:11 | Learned a level 4 spell: Animate Dead 13592 | D:11 | Killed an elephant 13592 | D:11 | Acquired Makhleb's fourth power 13616 | D:11 | Noticed an elephant 13680 | D:10 | Killed an elephant 13680 | D:10 | Reached skill level 5 in Fighting 13985 | D:11 | Killed an elephant 14130 | D:11 | Found a staircase to the Lair. 14168 | D:11 | Got a fine mace 14169 | D:11 | Identified the cursed +2,-1 mace "Cyisag" {crush, Stlth+} (You found it on level 11 of the Dungeon) 14216 | Lair:1 | Entered Level 1 of the Lair of Beasts 14377 | Lair:1 | Noticed Prince Ribbit 14399 | Lair:1 | Killed Prince Ribbit 14528 | Lair:1 | Reached skill level 5 in Invocations 14528 | Lair:1 | Reached XP level 11. HP: 99/99 MP: 19/22 14586 | Lair:1 | Found a frozen archway. 14602 | IceCv | Entered an ice cave 14640 | IceCv | Noticed an ice statue 14640 | IceCv | Noticed an ice statue 15946 | Lair:1 | Reached skill level 10 in Axes 16054 | Lair:2 | Acquired Makhleb's fifth power 16168 | Lair:2 | Noticed a five-headed hydra 17141 | Lair:3 | Noticed a seven-headed hydra 17647 | Lair:3 | Reached skill level 1 in Shields 18480 | Lair:4 | Reached skill level 5 in Shields 18589 | Lair:4 | Reached XP level 12. HP: 106/106 MP: 10/23 18692 | Lair:4 | Noticed a seven-headed hydra 18787 | Lair:4 | Reached skill level 11 in Axes 19871 | Lair:5 | Found a staircase to the Shoals. 20383 | Lair:6 | Reached skill level 10 in Dodging 20680 | Lair:6 | Noticed a seven-headed hydra 20758 | Lair:6 | Found a hole to the Spider Nest. 21462 | Lair:5 | HYDRA CAMPING THESE STAIRS OMFG Action | 1- 3 | 4- 6 | 7- 9 | 10-12 || total -------------------------+-------+-------+-------+-------++------- Melee: Unarmed | 5 | | | || 5 Hand axe | | 44 | 235 | || 279 Whip | | 20 | | || 20 Rod | | 4 | | || 4 War axe | | | 19 | 462 || 481 Mace | | | | 83 || 83 Cast: Pain | 58 | 123 | 222 | 315 || 718 Vampiric Draining | 5 | 26 | 59 | 205 || 295 Control Undead | | | 3 | || 3 Animate Dead | | | | 1 || 1 Invok: Minor Destruction | | | | 2 || 2 Abil: Evoke Berserk Rag | | | 1 | || 1 Evoke: Wand | | | 1 | 3 || 4 Use: Scroll | | 11 | 15 | 14 || 40 Potion | | 1 | 1 | 5 || 7 Stab: Sleeping | | | 3 | 7 || 10

I do have a question though, I did find a rod of warding which has Abjuration. I have no points in Evocations, will that be enough to deal with a Makhleb Greater Summon gone sour?

Tuesday, 7th January 2014, 00:49 by dirtywick

I wouldn't rely on the rod to get rid of the demon. It may reduce its duration so it can't follow you as long, but greater demons have either nasty ranged attacks or are executioners which are faster than you.

Generally what I do is hope its not next to me and fog to break LOS and run to stairs or teleport, or if it is reliable I'll summon another one or lesser demons to distract the thing and run if teleporting is dangerous, like on a branch end or a mostly unexplored level. Usually its better to teleport though, they are dangerous at this stage of the game and there's no benefit in trying to kill it.

Also, I wouldn't be using that mace, maces aren't good weapons as a base type and that one has -damage modifier which is bad, and you've been training axes. Also maybe think about dropping some of those consumables, you're a freezing or flaming cloud away from being very disappointed.

Tuesday, 7th January 2014, 00:53 by Frank2368

dirtywick wrote:I wouldn't rely on the rod to get rid of the demon. It may reduce its duration so it can't follow you as long, but greater demons have either nasty ranged attacks or are executioners which are faster than you.

Generally what I do is hope its not next to me and fog to break LOS and run to stairs or teleport, or if it is reliable I'll summon another one or lesser demons to distract the thing and run if teleporting is dangerous, like on a branch end or a mostly unexplored level. Usually its better to teleport though, they are dangerous at this stage of the game and there's no benefit in trying to kill it.

Also, I wouldn't be using that mace, maces aren't good weapons as a base type and that one has -damage modifier which is bad, and you've been training axes. Also maybe think about dropping some of those consumables, you're a freezing or flaming cloud away from being very disappointed.

I am holding that mace only for the Stealth+, whenever I get into an engagement I pull out the war axe. I'm going to drop some of the those potions on Lair 2.

Should I switch it up and go to mines? There's 4 or 5 hydras in Lair and I'm not even sure I can kill one

Tuesday, 7th January 2014, 01:10 by dirtywick

The early floors of the mines are pretty easy. A few lesser demons can take a hydra down also.

Wednesday, 8th January 2014, 10:12 by tompliss

As said before, as logn as you're cautious, you can deal with the first 3 floors of Orc and a few of the Lair's floors.
Get some summons with you (lesser should be enough, as long as you don't meet Death Yaks and elephants in Lair, or unlucky uniques). Cast them before going down stairs, try to always have one when you go in unexplored areas, and if you want/ned to go to harder areas (deep Lair or Orc, near uniques or special vaults), make sure you get at least 2 lesser summons before casting a greater one.
Also depending on the demons you have with you, different strategies apply (the blue and pink ones being summoners, they're more useful against packs and ranged opponents or in open areas, for example).

Wednesday, 8th January 2014, 10:47 by Sar

The "first three levels of Orc" regularly spawn stuff like orc sorcerers and warlords. Lair is uniform in difficulty with Lair:8 being a bit harder due to vault (which you can probably take on anyway if you dealt with previous Lair levels).

Wednesday, 8th January 2014, 20:58 by dirtywick

I wouldn't say regularly, it's a possibility but not something that happens every game.

Wednesday, 8th January 2014, 21:37 by duvessa

And stone giants. Seriously, it's really rare for doing any of Orc before Lair to be a good idea.

Thursday, 9th January 2014, 02:55 by dirtywick

Even if you do find a rare occasion that something in orc 1-3 is more dangerous than a warrior it's slow enough to walk away from; stone giants, iron trolls, warlords, sorcerors, and high priests aren't guaranteed or even common on the first three floors but you can walk away if you're unlucky. Lair features several common threats probable on every floor that are worse than warriors and faster and potentially poisonous, like spiny frogs, blink frogs, and black mambas.

Thursday, 9th January 2014, 03:00 by Sar

Walking away from rock-chuckers, crossbow-users or casters with Paralyze can be uh, a bit problematic.

Thursday, 9th January 2014, 03:17 by mikee

I don't know if you've had positive experiences doing what you're describing - if so, terrific, but probably this guy should do the 8 levels of xp and loot before 3 dangerous levels of almost no xp and no loot.

Thursday, 9th January 2014, 03:41 by dirtywick

I don't see that many stone giants and warlords that it's something I worry about. But yeah I have had positive experiences. With due respect I don't treat it any differently than any other branch in the game where you go until you see something that may kill you and leave and do something else.

Thursday, 9th January 2014, 16:06 by Sprucery

I've followed the guideline "first Lair, then Orc" for most of my Crawl career. It seems to work all of the time. Lair:8 may be an exception, depending on the vault you get and your character.

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