CIP MfGl of Fedhas -- demon trident or bardiche

Saturday, 14th December 2013, 23:04 by prospero14

This is my first time worshiping Fedhas. Yeah, so everyone is right about how strong wandering mushrooms are.

I got a demon trident of draining in the Lair:8 vault full of demons. I used my enchant scrolls on it. Then on the floor below the lair entrance, I found a bailey. The layout had 2 little islands you had to walk past while orc knights attack you with polearms from afar. It's a very clever design, and also really easy for a merfolk. Now I have;

a - a +5,+5 demon trident of draining (weapon)
e - a -1,+0 orcish glaive
H - a +0,+1 orcish bardiche

I also have:

b - a dwarven shield
E - a +0 buckler of poison resistance

At this point I can train shields and use demon trident & shield, or train polearms and use the glaive and then the bardiche. Which should it be?

Code:: Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.14-a0-1481-g3a094f2 (console) character file. prospero the Impaler (Merfolk Gladiator) Turns: 28281, Time: 02:25:29 HP 123/123 AC 16 Str 19 XL: 14 Next: 57% MP 28/28 EV 23 Int 11 God: Fedhas [***...] Gold 1116 SH 0 Dex 20 Spells: 0 memorised, 13 levels left rFire . . . SeeInvis . a - +5 demon trident (drain) rCold + . . Clarity . m - +3 ring mail {rC+} rNeg . . . Conserve + (no shield) rPois . rCorr . c - +2 helmet rElec . rRot . t - +2 cloak SustAb . . Spirit . K - +1 pair of gloves rMut . Warding . (no boots) Saprov . . . Stasis . A - amulet of conservation h - ring "Huyl" {MR Str+3} i - cursed +5 ring of dexterity @: quite resistant to hostile enchantments, very unstealthy A: change form in water, swift swim a: Evolution, Sunlight, Growth, Renounce Religion You are on level 10 of the Dungeon. You worship Fedhas. Fedhas is most pleased with you. You are hungry. You have visited 4 branches of the dungeon, and seen 20 of its levels. You have also visited: Ossuary and Bailey. You have collected 1116 gold pieces. Inventory: Hand weapons a - a +5,+5 demon trident of draining (weapon) e - a -1,+0 orcish glaive H - a +0,+1 orcish bardiche Missiles d - 2 throwing nets (quivered) M - 3 javelins of returning Armour b - a dwarven shield c - a +2 helmet (worn) m - a +3 ring mail of cold resistance (worn) t - a +2 cloak (worn) E - a +0 buckler of poison resistance K - a +1 pair of gloves (worn) Magical devices f - a wand of polymorph {zapped: 1} g - a wand of disintegration F - a wand of digging {zapped: 1} J - a wand of fire {zapped: 6} L - a wand of cold {zapped: 2} Q - a wand of disintegration {zapped: 1} U - a wand of lightning {zapped: 2} Z - a wand of teleportation {zapped: 1} Comestibles j - 3 meat rations q - a pear w - 6 sultanas G - 4 bread rations N - a banana P - 2 rotting chunks of electric eel flesh S - a grape Y - 4 honeycombs Scrolls n - a scroll of identify o - a scroll of silence r - 3 scrolls of blinking u - 4 scrolls of teleportation y - 3 scrolls of remove curse R - 2 scrolls of fear V - a scroll of recharging Jewellery h - the ring "Huyl" (right hand) {MR Str+3} (You found it on level 8 of the Dungeon) [ring of protection from magic] It affects your strength (+3). i - a cursed +5 ring of dexterity (left hand) l - an uncursed ring of see invisible A - an amulet of conservation (around neck) I - an uncursed ring of flight W - an uncursed ring of regeneration Potions p - 2 potions of magic s - 5 potions of brilliance v - a potion of resistance x - 2 potions of might z - 3 potions of speed B - 3 potions of agility D - 2 potions of heal wounds O - 3 potions of curing X - a potion of cure mutation Magical staves T - an uncursed staff of poison Miscellaneous C - a lamp of fire Skills: - Level 15.0 Fighting - Level 16.7 Polearms - Level 2.0 Throwing + Level 15.6 Dodging Level 6.0 Shields - Level 11.0 Invocations You have 13 spell levels left. You don't know any spells. Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations Branches: Dungeon (10/16) Temple (1/1) D:6 Lair (8/8) D:9 Swamp (0/5) Lair:6 Snake (1/5) Lair:5 Slime (0/6) Lair:8 Orc: D:9-12 Altars: Ashenzari Cheibriados Elyvilon Fedhas Kikubaaqudgha Makhleb Nemelex Xobeh Okawaru Sif Muna Trog Vehumet Yredelemnul Zin the Shining One Shops: D:10 ( Portals: Hell: Lair:8 Annotations: D:3 Feirund's ghost, average DsFi Message History You start removing your armour. You continue taking off your +0 buckler of poison resistance. You are feeling hungry. You finish taking off your +0 buckler of poison resistance. You feel less healthy. Wield which item (- for none, * to show all)? (? for menu, Esc to quit) e - a -1,+0 orcish glaive (weapon) You are alive. Your movement speed is average. Your attack speed is above average. You are quite resistant to hostile enchantments. You feel very unstealthy. Wield which item (- for none, * to show all)? (? for menu, Esc to quit) You are wearing that object! Wield which item (- for none, * to show all)? (? for menu, Esc to quit) H - a +0,+1 orcish bardiche (weapon) You are alive. Your movement speed is average. Your attack speed is below average. You are quite resistant to hostile enchantments. You feel very unstealthy. Wield which item (- for none, * to show all)? (? for menu, Esc to quit) You sense an unholy aura. a - a +5,+5 demon trident of draining (weapon) ...fff..####.##.# #.# ........f.ff.##.# #.# ........####.##.# #.# #####..## #f##.###.#### # #..# #.##.##.....# # #..# #.f.........# # #..# #.##.##..#### # #..# #.##.##..# #####..# #.##'##++##### ....#..# #.#.ff.......# ....#..# #.#..@.......# )...#..# #.#.fff......# ∩)..#..#####.#..f.......# )...'....f.f.#..........# ....#####....'..........# ....# ######..........# ##### ############ You can see 6 friendly wandering mushrooms. Vanquished Creatures Harold (Lair:3) 4 hydras 8 death yaks A catoblepas (Lair:6) Pikel (D:8) A two-headed ogre (D:10) A necromancer (Lair:7) A wizard (Lair:8) 3 griffons 5 orc knights (Bailey) 2 black mambas An octopode (D:10) A queen ant (Lair:2) 11 spiny frogs A smoke demon (Lair:8) An orange demon (Lair:8) 2 hill giants (D:10) 2 red devils (Lair:8) 4 fire drakes 7 komodo dragons 2 boulder beetles (Lair:8) A grizzly bear (Lair:5) 14 blink frogs 3 basilisks 8 hippogriffs 4 yaks 5 sharks A hill giant skeleton (D:7) A steam dragon (Lair:2) Grum (D:9) 3 vampire mosquitoes (D:10) A slave (D:8) 8 wolves 3 hungry ghosts 3 manticores A trapdoor spider (D:10) 9 orc warriors 6 soldier ants (Lair:2) 2 sky beasts A giant goldfish (Lair:3) 13 porcupines 2 phantoms An ice beast (D:10) A boring beetle (Lair:8) 4 ogres 13 crocodiles A rotting devil (Lair:8) 11 giant slugs 11 giant frogs 9 agate snails An elf skeleton (Ossuary) 12 water moccasins 11 killer bees 3 jellyfish 7 crimson imps 7 electric eels A goliath beetle (D:6) 8 hounds 6 scorpions 4 centaur skeletons 6 iguanas 6 orc wizards Crazy Yiuf (D:2) 5 orc priests 16 worker ants A black bear skeleton (D:4) 7 big fish 2 human skeletons (Ossuary) 6 grizzly bear simulacra (Lair:7) 8 sheep (Lair:1) Jessica (D:2) A crocodile skeleton (D:6) 2 mummies (Ossuary) 11 gnolls A worker ant zombie (D:6) A giant centipede (D:9) 35 green rats A hound simulacrum (Lair:7) 17 adders 4 giant mites An inept feature mimic (Lair:1) A steam dragon skeleton (D:10) 3 worms A shadow imp (D:10) 2 adder skeletons A giant eyeball (D:8) A sheep simulacrum (Lair:7) 7 giant geckos An ooze (D:6) 25 orcs 17 bats A bat skeleton (D:5) 4 giant cockroaches 11 goblins 13 hobgoblins 13 jackals 4 giant newts A goblin skeleton (D:4) 11 hobgoblin skeletons 5 hobgoblin zombies (Ossuary) A jackal skeleton (Ossuary) 9 kobolds 8 kobold skeletons (Ossuary) A kobold zombie (Ossuary) 2 orc skeletons 5 orc zombies 14 quokkas A quokka skeleton (D:4) 19 rats 3 rat simulacra (Lair:7) 2 rat skeletons (Ossuary) 581 creatures vanquished. Vanquished Creatures (collateral kills) Maud (Lair:4) Snorg (Lair:3) 2 hydras 12 death yaks A sun demon (Lair:8) An elephant (D:9) 3 black mambas An orange demon (Lair:8) A spiny frog (Lair:8) A fire drake (Lair:8) 2 red devils (Lair:8) A hellwing (Lair:8) 6 blink frogs A shark (Lair:7) 4 yaks A vampire mosquito (D:10) 2 hippogriffs A wolf (Lair:3) Menkaure (D:7) 2 soldier ants (Lair:2) 5 wandering mushrooms A porcupine (Lair:7) A giant goldfish (Lair:7) 3 slaves (D:8) 2 crocodiles 4 giant slugs 3 rotting devils (Lair:8) 5 water moccasins An agate snail (Lair:6) 3 giant frogs A wyvern skeleton (D:8) 3 killer bees (D:7) A jellyfish (Lair:7) A crimson imp (D:6) 4 hounds An orc wizard (D:7) 6 worker ants A sheep (Lair:8) A jelly (D:10) 8 green rats A giant gecko (Lair:4) 5 orcs (D:7) A bat (D:8) 4 jackals A rat (D:7) 112 creatures vanquished. Vanquished Creatures (others) 4 oklob plants 30 wandering mushrooms An adder (Lair:5) A giant gecko (D:9) 21 fungi 15 plants 251 toadstools 323 creatures vanquished. Grand Total: 1016 creatures vanquished Notes Turn | Place | Note -------------------------------------------------------------- 0 | D:1 | prospero, the Merfolk Gladiator, began the quest for the Orb. 0 | D:1 | Reached XP level 1. HP: 16/16 MP: 1/1 128 | D:1 | Reached skill level 5 in Polearms 153 | D:1 | Reached XP level 2. HP: 22/22 MP: 2/2 673 | D:2 | Reached skill level 6 in Polearms 673 | D:2 | Reached XP level 3. HP: 24/27 MP: 3/3 890 | D:2 | Noticed Jessica 894 | D:2 | Killed Jessica 894 | D:2 | Reached skill level 7 in Polearms 894 | D:2 | Reached XP level 4. HP: 33/33 MP: 4/4 976 | D:2 | Noticed Crazy Yiuf 988 | D:2 | Killed Crazy Yiuf 1940 | D:3 | Noticed Feirund's ghost (average DsFi) 1991 | D:4 | Reached skill level 8 in Polearms 1991 | D:4 | Reached XP level 5. HP: 20/38 MP: 5/5 2343 | D:4 | Reached skill level 9 in Polearms 2360 | D:4 | Reached XP level 6. HP: 31/44 MP: 6/6 2583 | D:4 | Found a blossoming altar of Fedhas. 2757 | D:4 | Reached skill level 10 in Polearms 2977 | D:5 | Entered Level 5 of the Dungeon 3028 | D:4 | Became a worshipper of Fedhas Madash 3067 | D:5 | Reached XP level 7. HP: 37/50 MP: 7/7 3326 | D:5 | Reached skill level 11 in Polearms 3442 | D:5 | Reached skill level 12 in Polearms 3630 | D:5 | Reached XP level 8. HP: 15/56 MP: 8/8 3989 | D:5 | Reached skill level 13 in Polearms 4054 | D:5 | Found an ancient bone altar of Kikubaaqudgha. 4665 | D:6 | Acquired Fedhas' first power 4848 | D:6 | Found a staircase to the Ecumenical Temple. 4859 | Temple | Entered the Ecumenical Temple 4959 | D:6 | Reached skill level 14 in Polearms 5723 | D:7 | Reached skill level 15 in Polearms 5912 | D:7 | Reached XP level 9. HP: 61/61 MP: 9/9 5938 | D:7 | Found a sand-covered staircase. 5942 | Ossuary | Entered an ossuary 6198 | Ossuary | Acquired Fedhas' second power 6415 | D:7 | Reached skill level 16 in Polearms 6766 | D:7 | Noticed Menkaure 6786 | D:7 | Killed Menkaure 7098 | D:7 | Reached skill level 5 in Dodging 7391 | D:8 | Noticed Pikel 7439 | D:8 | Killed Pikel 7444 | D:8 | Paralysed by a giant eyeball for 4 turns 7454 | D:8 | Paralysed by a giant eyeball for 3 turns 7594 | D:8 | Reached XP level 10. HP: 67/67 MP: 10/10 7818 | D:8 | Got a shimmering granite ring 7826 | D:8 | Identified the ring "Huyl" {MR Str+3} (You found it on level 8 of the Dungeon) 7920 | D:8 | Reached skill level 10 in Dodging 8289 | D:9 | Noticed Grum 8308 | D:9 | Killed Grum 8477 | D:9 | Noticed an elephant 8489 | D:9 | Killed an elephant 8489 | D:9 | Reached skill level 5 in Fighting 8501 | D:9 | Found a staircase to the Lair. 8581 | D:9 | Noticed a death yak 8598 | D:9 | Killed a death yak 9265 | Lair:1 | Entered Level 1 of the Lair of Beasts 9570 | Lair:1 | Noticed a black mamba 9579 | Lair:1 | Killed a black mamba 9818 | Lair:1 | Reached XP level 11. HP: 57/89 MP: 11/11 9827 | Lair:1 | Acquired Fedhas' third power 10317 | Lair:1 | Reached skill level 10 in Fighting 10497 | Lair:1 | Noticed a six-headed hydra 10514 | Lair:1 | Killed a seven-headed hydra 11125 | Lair:2 | Reached skill level 5 in Invocations 11638 | Lair:2 | Identified a scroll of acquirement 12248 | Lair:2 | Acquired Fedhas' fourth power 13765 | Lair:3 | Reached XP level 12. HP: 51/97 MP: 25/25 14007 | Lair:3 | Reached skill level 10 in Invocations 14187 | Lair:3 | Noticed Snorg 14745 | Lair:3 | Killed Snorg 15160 | Lair:3 | Noticed Harold 15185 | Lair:3 | Killed Harold 15810 | Lair:4 | Noticed a death yak 15828 | Lair:4 | Killed a death yak 15914 | Lair:4 | Noticed a death yak 15915 | Lair:4 | Noticed a death yak 15916 | Lair:4 | Noticed a death yak 15927 | Lair:4 | Noticed a death yak 16570 | Lair:4 | Killed a death yak 16573 | Lair:4 | Killed a death yak 16576 | Lair:4 | Killed a death yak 16582 | Lair:4 | Killed a death yak 16731 | Lair:4 | Got a pitted spear 16732 | Lair:4 | Identified the +10,+5 spear "Ipezunn" {venom, Stlth+} (You found it on level 4 of the Lair of Beasts) 16932 | Lair:4 | Noticed Maud 16965 | Lair:4 | Killed Maud 17319 | Lair:5 | Found a staircase to the Snake Pit. 18345 | Snake:1 | Entered Level 1 of the Snake Pit 18451 | Lair:6 | Found a staircase to the Swamp. 18786 | Lair:6 | Reached XP level 13. HP: 99/103 MP: 27/27 18800 | Lair:6 | Noticed an eight-headed hydra 18816 | Lair:6 | Killed an eight-headed hydra 19004 | Lair:6 | Reached skill level 15 in Dodging 20568 | Lair:5 | Reached skill level 1 in Shields 21344 | Lair:7 | Reached skill level 5 in Shields 22803 | Lair:8 | Entered Level 8 of the Lair of Beasts 22978 | Lair:7 | Reached XP level 14. HP: 83/118 MP: 28/28 23649 | Lair:8 | Noticed a six-headed hydra 23656 | Lair:8 | Killed a six-headed hydra 23743 | Lair:8 | Found a staircase to the Slime Pits. 25192 | Lair:8 | Found a burning altar of Makhleb. 25277 | Lair:8 | Found a gateway to Hell. 26380 | D:10 | Entered Level 10 of the Dungeon 26520 | D:10 | Found a flagged portal. 26532 | Bailey | Entered a bailey 26553 | Bailey | Reached skill level 15 in Fighting 27354 | D:10 | Got a smoking leather armour 27452 | D:10 | Identified the +3 leather armour of Springtime {rPois Int-4} (You found it on level 10 of the Dungeon) 27472 | D:10 | Found Esyomp's Antique Weapon Shop. Action | 1- 3 | 4- 6 | 7- 9 | 10-12 | 13-15 || total -------------------------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------++------- Melee: Trident | 77 | 81 | | 884 | 816 || 1858 Halberd | | 101 | 437 | 287 | || 825 Demon trident | | | | | 210 || 210 Throw: Javelin | 8 | 19 | 18 | | 7 || 52 Throwing net | | | | 1 | 1 || 2 Invok: Evolution | | | 8 | 18 | 20 || 46 Sunlight | | | | | 1 || 1 Evoke: Wand | | | 1 | 12 | 20 || 33 Use: Scroll | 3 | 7 | 11 | 14 | 14 || 49 Potion | | 1 | 1 | 7 | 1 || 10 Stab: Confused | | | 2 | 22 | 22 || 46 Sleeping | | | | 4 | || 4 Distracted | | | | 3 | 7 || 10 Held in net/web | | | | | 2 || 2

Sunday, 15th December 2013, 03:19 by rebthor

Obviously use the demon trident now + buckler. I'd probably switch to the bardiche long term unless you feel like plinking away at OoF but you can kill them with demon tridents.

Sunday, 15th December 2013, 14:41 by mopl

prospero14 wrote:At this point I can train shields and use demon trident & shield, or train polearms and use the glaive and then the bardiche. Which should it be?

At this point you maybe want to train some Armour and use trident + buckler (trident is already at min delay and buckler penalty removed)
Are you doing a spell-less game ? If not it can also be the moment to learn some spells (blink, repel missiles, maybe swiftness but I think it sucks in 0.14, haste)...

Sunday, 15th December 2013, 17:28 by skyspire

yeah i would use the demon trident (great 1h weapon type), and definitely the buckler.. you need rPois. Using a 2H weapon is sexier to some, but there is no shame in using a shield. The protection really does help.

Yes, you should train armour to at least 7. A rule of thumb I use when training armor is look at the encumbrance rating. Ring mail is encumbrance rating 7, so I would train Armour to at least level 7.

Sunday, 15th December 2013, 19:52 by Sandman25

Actually bonus AC from training Armour is A*B/22 where A is armour skill and B is total of base armour from body armour/cloak/helmet/gloves/boots. For example if you are wearing ring mail and all 4 aux slot armours, B equals 9 so you get A*9/22 extra AC, i.e. you need 2.45 Armour per AC so it is a good idea to stop training Armour at either 4.9 or 7.4.

Tuesday, 17th December 2013, 05:45 by skyspire

well, I don't know about that bonus AC formula, I just don't like getting the message "your xx armour prevents you ... " I know my rule of thumb is not a formula, but it works for me to get a general idea of what I need to defray the encumbrance rating for casting / EV / to hit. Of course, strength helps greatly with this too. So since your strength is high, you need less Armour Skill, than say a Deep Elf caster.

This is the formula regarding adjusted body armour penalty.

2 × (body armour encumbrance rating)2 × (45 - Armour skill) / (5 × (STR + 3) × 45)

so if encumbrance rating is 7, 2 x 7(2) = 28 x (45- 7) = 32 / 5 x (19+3) x 45
28 x 32 = 896 / 4950 = .18

So the penalty for armour skill 7 is .18

adjusted to hit penalty is:
1d(Adjusted body armour penalty)

Adjusted evasion penalty
Barding ER/3 + Adjusted body armour penalty

Spellcasting Penalty
(25×Adjusted body armour penalty - Racial bonus + 25×Shield penalty - 20)/100

Tuesday, 17th December 2013, 09:16 by duvessa

skyspire wrote:well, I don't know about that bonus AC formula

Then people probably shouldn't trust your advice since it's overwhelmingly the most important effect of armour skill.

CIP MfGl of Fedhas -- demon trident or bardiche

CIP MfGl of Fedhas -- demon trident or bardiche

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