Cip: SpEn of Ashenzari

Wednesday, 4th December 2013, 08:10 by skjarl

Just looking for tips on how to proceed. My melee feels a bit shaky, but confuse/invisibility are seeing me through everything so far. I'm *SO* glad that confuse works on undead. I don't like the rate at which I am gaining piety. It feels extremely sluggish.

Code:: Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.14-a0-759-g26e2352 (tiles) character file. Spriggs the Covert (Spriggan Enchanter) Turns: 16987, Time: 02:35:48 HP 52/56 AC 7 Str 8 XL: 12 Next: 75% MP 24/33 EV 28 Int 18 God: Ashenzari [*.....] Gold 63 SH 11 Dex 16 Spells: 13 memorised, 1 level left Res.Fire : + . . See Invis. : + a - +5,+4 orc dagger (venom) (curse) Res.Cold : . . . Warding : . D - +2 robe {MR+} Life Prot.: . . . Conserve : . P - +1 buckler {rF+} Res.Poison: . Res.Corr. : . s - +0 cap Res.Elec. : . Clarity : + u - +0 cloak Sust.Abil.: . . Spirit.Shd : . (gloves unavailable) Res.Mut. : . Stasis : . (boots unavailable) Res.Rott. : . Flight : . i - cursed amulet of clarity Saprovore : . . . t - cursed +2 ring of protection F - cursed +3 ring of evasion @: very quick, very resistant to hostile enchantments, extraordinarily stealthy A: unfitting armour, see invisible, herbivore 3, speed 3, slow metabolism 2 a: Renounce Religion You are on level 13 of the Dungeon. You worship Ashenzari. Ashenzari is aware of your devotion. You are not hungry. You have visited 3 branches of the dungeon, and seen 15 of its levels. You have also visited: Sewer. You have collected 681 gold pieces. You have spent 618 gold pieces at shops. Inventory: Hand weapons a - a cursed +5,+4 orcish dagger of venom (weapon) l - an uncursed blowgun Missiles f - an exploding dart (quivered) m - 6 poisoned needles Armour s - a +0 cap (worn) u - a +0 cloak (worn) D - a +2 robe of magic resistance (worn) P - a +1 buckler of fire resistance (worn) Magical devices d - a wand of hasting (5) q - a wand of lightning {zapped: 7} r - a glass wand v - a wand of draining {zapped: 2} J - a wand of polymorph {zapped: 4} M - a wand of fire {zapped: 5} O - a wand of frost {zapped: 2} T - a wand of paralysis {zapped: 6} Comestibles b - 4 bread rations R - a cheese Scrolls c - 2 scrolls of silence n - 4 scrolls of teleportation o - 2 scrolls of enchant weapon I p - 3 scrolls of magic mapping w - 4 scrolls of fog Jewellery e - an uncursed ring of magical power i - a cursed amulet of clarity (around neck) t - a cursed +2 ring of protection (right hand) F - a cursed +3 ring of evasion (left hand) Potions g - a potion of heal wounds h - 4 potions of curing A - a fizzy white potion H - 2 cyan potions I - a silvery potion N - a yellow potion Books j - a book of War Chants Spells Type Level Fire Brand Charms/Fire 2 Freezing Aura Charms/Ice 2 Shroud of Golubria Charms/Translocation 2 *Repel Missiles Charms/Air 2 Poison Weapon Charms/Poison 3 *Regeneration Charms/Necromancy 3 Miscellaneous k - a phial of floods Skills: + Level 5.0 Fighting - Level 8.0 Short Blades - Level 1.1 Throwing - Level 11.0 Dodging - Level 14.0 Stealth - Level 11.0 Spellcasting - Level 13.8 Hexes - Level 6.0 Charms - Level 3.0 Translocations You have one spell level left. You know the following spells: Your Spells Type Power Failure Level Hunger a - Corona Hex ######. 1% 1 None b - Ensorcelled Hibernat Hex/Ice ####.. 1% 2 None c - Confuse Hex ######.. 1% 3 None d - Invisibility Hex ######.. 4% 6 ######. e - Enslavement Hex ######.. 1% 4 ##..... f - Blink Tloc N/A 4% 2 None g - Repel Missiles Chrm/Air ###....... 4% 2 None h - Animate Skeleton Necr N/A 12% 1 None i - Mephitic Cloud Conj/Pois/Air #....... 28% 3 None j - Call Imp Summ #......... 14% 2 None k - Apportation Tloc ###....... 2% 1 None l - Slow Hex ######.. 1% 2 None m - Regeneration Chrm/Necr ###....... 10% 3 None Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations Branches: Dungeon (13/27) Temple (1/1) D:7 Orc (0/4) D:10 Lair (1/8) D:13 Altars: Ashenzari Cheibriados Elyvilon Fedhas Kikubaaqudgha Makhleb Nemelex Xobeh Okawaru Sif Muna Trog Vehumet Xom Yredelemnul Zin the Shining One Beogh Shops: D:9 + D:11 ?? D:12 [(% Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations You are tiny and cannot use many weapons and most armour. You have supernaturally acute eyesight. You are a herbivore. You cover ground extremely quickly. You need consume almost no food. Vanquished Creatures A dragon (D:12) Harold (D:13) A dryad (D:13) A centaur warrior (D:13) An alligator (shapeshifter) (D:13) Nergalle (D:13) A skeletal warrior (D:13) 2 hill giants (D:11) 2 unseen horrors A cyclops (D:11) A wolf spider (D:13) A mermaid (shapeshifter) (D:13) A wolf spider simulacrum (D:13) 4 trolls A slime creature (D:13) Prince Ribbit (D:7) A shadow (D:12) A basilisk (D:12) 6 ugly things Eustachio (D:8) 11 yaks A merfolk (D:8) A hungry ghost (D:10) A wyvern (D:13) 2 wolves (D:13) A hill giant skeleton (D:11) 3 manticores 3 hippogriffs 2 swamp drakes (D:6) A necrophage (D:8) An ice beast (D:12) A black bear (D:6) 10 orc warriors 6 phantoms 5 giant goldfish 2 sky beasts 10 ogres 5 crocodiles 10 centaurs 4 big kobolds Sigmund (D:5) Duvessa (D:5) 4 wargs Blork the orc (D:5) 4 giant frogs A giant slug (Sewer) 2 water moccasins A cyclops zombie (D:11) A yaktaur skeleton (D:13) A wyvern zombie (D:12) An oklob sapling (D:7) A cyclops skeleton (D:13) 6 electric eels 4 killer bees (D:12) A yak zombie (D:12) 2 jellyfish (D:6) 2 wights (D:12) A yak skeleton (D:7) A hippogriff skeleton (D:13) Dowan (D:5) 10 crimson imps A jelly (D:9) A centaur skeleton (D:9) 3 goliath beetles A giant frog zombie (D:5) 9 worker ants Crazy Yiuf (D:3) 8 hounds 12 orc priests 4 big fish A giant frog skeleton (D:4) A basilisk skeleton (D:11) 3 quasits 2 scorpions 7 iguanas A troll simulacrum (D:13) 11 orc wizards A big kobold zombie (D:13) Ijyb (D:3) A big kobold skeleton (D:10) Terence (D:3) 2 mummies (D:12) 5 gnolls 13 adders A giant centipede (D:9) 2 giant mites 6 white imps An inept feature mimic (D:5) 2 ufetubi (D:12) 5 worms 2 grey rats (D:4) 4 giant eyeballs An ooze (D:1) 55 orcs 7 giant cockroaches 15 goblins 17 hobgoblins 12 jackals A quokka (D:4) 3 ball pythons 10 bats 7 giant geckos 6 giant newts 2 giant spores A goblin skeleton (D:4) 29 kobolds 15 rats 5 ballistomycetes A butterfly (D:11) 3 plants 460 creatures vanquished. Vanquished Creatures (collateral kills) An ogre mage (D:12) A hill giant (D:12) A two-headed ogre (D:10) A water elemental (D:12) An ogre (D:12) A jelly (D:10) A big kobold skeleton (D:12) A kobold (D:13) 8 creatures vanquished. Vanquished Creatures (others) A manticore skeleton (D:13) 2 crimson imps A big kobold skeleton (D:13) 2 ogre skeletons (D:12) 2 white imps A shadow imp (D:12) 4 kobold skeletons (D:13) 2 orc skeletons (D:13) 2 plants (D:6) 17 creatures vanquished. Grand Total: 485 creatures vanquished Notes Turn | Place | Note -------------------------------------------------------------- 0 | D:1 | Spriggs, the Spriggan Enchanter, began the quest for the Orb. 0 | D:1 | Reached XP level 1. HP: 9/9 MP: 4/4 118 | D:1 | Reached XP level 2. HP: 7/13 MP: 6/6 331 | D:1 | Learned a level 2 spell: Ensorcelled Hibernation 652 | D:2 | Reached skill level 4 in Stealth 723 | D:2 | Reached XP level 3. HP: 12/16 MP: 9/9 1394 | D:3 | Noticed Terence 1409 | D:3 | Killed Terence 1412 | D:3 | Reached XP level 4. HP: 21/21 MP: 3/11 1615 | D:3 | Noticed Ijyb 1630 | D:3 | Killed Ijyb 1630 | D:3 | Reached skill level 5 in Stealth 1732 | D:3 | Found a burning altar of Makhleb. 1804 | D:3 | Noticed Crazy Yiuf 1865 | D:3 | Killed Crazy Yiuf 1865 | D:3 | Reached XP level 5. HP: 16/24 MP: 1/13 2325 | D:4 | Learned a level 3 spell: Confuse 2547 | D:4 | Found a glowing drain. 2605 | Sewer | Entered a sewer 2736 | Sewer | Reached skill level 5 in Short Blades 2736 | Sewer | Reached skill level 6 in Stealth 2862 | D:4 | Paralysed by a giant eyeball for 4 turns 2894 | D:4 | Reached XP level 6. HP: 28/28 MP: 16/16 3327 | D:5 | Entered Level 5 of the Dungeon 3327 | D:5 | Noticed Duvessa 3327 | D:5 | Noticed Dowan 3328 | D:5 | Killed Dowan 3340 | D:4 | Reached skill level 7 in Stealth 3550 | D:5 | Reached XP level 7. HP: 32/32 MP: 13/18 3709 | D:5 | Reached skill level 8 in Stealth 4360 | D:5 | Killed Duvessa 4360 | D:5 | Reached XP level 8. HP: 30/36 MP: 9/19 4394 | D:5 | Reached skill level 9 in Stealth 4563 | D:5 | Noticed Sigmund 4567 | D:5 | Killed Sigmund 4664 | D:5 | Noticed Blork the orc 4705 | D:5 | Reached skill level 5 in Dodging 4886 | D:5 | Killed Blork the orc 4886 | D:5 | Reached skill level 5 in Hexes 5120 | D:6 | Reached skill level 10 in Stealth 5635 | D:6 | Reached XP level 9. HP: 39/39 MP: 21/21 6109 | D:6 | Reached skill level 5 in Spellcasting 6299 | D:7 | Learned a level 6 spell: Invisibility 6325 | D:7 | Found a staircase to the Ecumenical Temple. 6575 | Temple | Entered the Ecumenical Temple 6757 | D:7 | Noticed Prince Ribbit 6768 | D:7 | Killed Prince Ribbit 6965 | D:7 | Found a roughly hewn altar of Beogh. 7304 | D:8 | Learned a level 4 spell: Enslavement 7307 | D:8 | Learned a level 2 spell: Blink 7310 | D:8 | Learned a level 2 spell: Repel Missiles 7447 | D:8 | Noticed Eustachio 7460 | D:8 | Reached XP level 10. HP: 44/44 MP: 25/29 7479 | D:8 | Killed Eustachio 7708 | D:8 | Reached skill level 10 in Spellcasting 7992 | D:9 | Found a radiant altar of Vehumet. 8024 | D:9 | Paralysed by a giant eyeball for 2 turns 8070 | D:9 | Found Witoxuse's Book Emporium. 8268 | D:9 | Paralysed by a giant eyeball for 3 turns 8299 | D:9 | Found a shattered altar of Ashenzari. 8311 | D:9 | Became a worshipper of Ashenzari the Shackled 8679 | D:9 | Learned a level 1 spell: Animate Skeleton 8683 | D:9 | Learned a level 3 spell: Mephitic Cloud 8686 | D:9 | Learned a level 2 spell: Call Imp 8688 | D:9 | Learned a level 1 spell: Apportation 8691 | D:9 | Learned a level 2 spell: Slow 8741 | D:10 | Entered Level 10 of the Dungeon 9113 | D:10 | Reached skill level 10 in Dodging 9274 | D:10 | Reached skill level 1 in Translocations 9602 | D:10 | Found a staircase to the Orcish Mines. 9898 | D:11 | Reached skill level 5 in Charms 10191 | D:11 | Reached skill level 1 in Fighting 10283 | D:11 | Found Smata's Magic Scroll Shoppe. 10309 | D:11 | Bought a scroll of silence for 105 gold pieces 10309 | D:11 | Bought a scroll of remove curse for 42 gold pieces 10309 | D:11 | Bought a scroll of fear for 49 gold pieces 10309 | D:11 | Bought a scroll of remove curse for 42 gold pieces 10309 | D:11 | Bought a scroll of silence for 105 gold pieces 10309 | D:11 | Bought a scroll of holy word for 105 gold pieces 10343 | D:11 | Noticed a cyclops 10380 | D:11 | Killed a cyclops 10496 | D:11 | Noticed a hill giant 10500 | D:11 | Noticed an unseen horror 10503 | D:11 | Killed a hill giant 10503 | D:11 | Reached skill level 11 in Stealth 10519 | D:11 | Killed an unseen horror 10519 | D:11 | Reached skill level 12 in Stealth 10519 | D:11 | Reached XP level 11. HP: 40/50 MP: 28/31 10792 | D:11 | Found Yggit's Magic Scroll Emporium. 10801 | D:11 | Bought a scroll of enchant armour for 60 gold pieces 10801 | D:11 | Bought a scroll of identify for 22 gold pieces 10801 | D:11 | Bought a scroll of random uselessness for 11 gold pieces 10801 | D:11 | Bought a scroll of identify for 22 gold pieces 10911 | D:11 | Noticed a hill giant 10954 | D:11 | Killed a hill giant 10954 | D:11 | Reached skill level 13 in Stealth 11423 | D:11 | Paralysed by a giant eyeball for 3 turns 11575 | D:12 | Found Doit's Weapon Emporium. 11624 | D:12 | Found Deduz's Food Boutique. 11700 | D:12 | Reached skill level 14 in Stealth 11792 | D:12 | Noticed a hill giant 11831 | D:12 | Killed a hill giant 12352 | D:12 | Found Ariwk's Antique Armour Emporium. 12357 | D:12 | Bought a shiny buckler for 55 gold pieces 12607 | D:13 | Noticed Nergalle 12781 | D:12 | Learned a level 3 spell: Regeneration 13278 | D:13 | Noticed an unseen horror 13479 | D:13 | Killed an unseen horror 13524 | D:12 | Reached skill level 10 in Hexes 13803 | D:13 | Killed Nergalle 13853 | D:13 | Noticed Harold 13876 | D:13 | Killed Harold 13952 | D:13 | Reached XP level 12. HP: 32/54 MP: 14/33 13954 | D:13 | Noticed a centaur warrior 13969 | D:13 | Killed a centaur warrior 14949 | D:13 | Found a staircase to the Lair. 14998 | Lair:1 | Entered Level 1 of the Lair of Beasts 15698 | D:13 | Noticed an ogre mage 16091 | D:12 | Killed an ogre mage 16475 | D:12 | Noticed a dragon 16475 | D:12 | a very large slime creature changed into a dragon 16770 | D:12 | Killed a dragon 16986 | D:13 | Reached skill level 5 in Fighting Action | 1- 3 | 4- 6 | 7- 9 | 10-12 || total -------------------------+-------+-------+-------+-------++------- Melee: Dagger | 153 | 216 | 260 | 654 || 1283 Whip | | 30 | 113 | 60 || 203 Short sword | | | 16 | || 16 Throw: Dart | 20 | 8 | 1 | 1 || 30 Cast: Ensorcelled Hiber | 8 | 28 | 74 | 255 || 365 Confuse | | 1 | 13 | 158 || 172 Call Imp | | | | 17 || 17 Blink | | | | 2 || 2 Repel Missiles | | | | 2 || 2 Enslavement | | | | 1 || 1 Animate Skeleton | | | | 11 || 11 Mephitic Cloud | | | | 1 || 1 Corona | | | | 1 || 1 Invisibility | | | | 1 || 1 Evoke: Wand | | 1 | 16 | 25 || 42 Use: Scroll | | | 5 | 28 || 33 Potion | | | 1 | 4 || 5 Stab: Sleeping | 9 | 32 | 54 | 139 || 234 Distracted | | 1 | 3 | 2 || 6 Confused | | | 4 | 56 || 60 Invisible | | | | 1 || 1

Wednesday, 4th December 2013, 08:22 by Mankeli

You should curse your armour slots for faster piety gain/better skill boosts.

EDIT. If you got the scrolls, of course, but I assumed you would have been able to find/make at least one ?curse armour by now.

Wednesday, 4th December 2013, 08:50 by rchandra

in particular curse the buckler to help with that -3 shields apt and get one more category (off-hand) right away. If you have 3 curse armour scrolls also curse the robe and one of hat/cloak (not worth cursing both even if you have 4 scrolls, imo).

Wednesday, 4th December 2013, 14:41 by Sandman25

Don't forget you can pray over scrolls of remove curse to convert them.

Wednesday, 4th December 2013, 16:38 by skjarl

Ok, a quick update. Found an *amazing* saber that I am now using. Also found 2 scrolls of disappointment. Thoughts on what I should aim for? I also found some great fire and ice books and a necromancy tome. Been getting just a couple of points in some magic schools to shore up my % on some of the utility spells I've come across. Currently training dodging. General advice is appreciated.

Code:: Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.14-a0-759-g26e2352 (tiles) character file. Spriggs the Covert (Spriggan Enchanter) Turns: 22305, Time: 03:23:59 HP 60/60 AC 7 Str 8 XL: 13 Next: 68% MP 35/35 EV 29 Int 18 God: Ashenzari [****..] Gold 400 SH 11 Dex 16 Spells: 13 memorised, 4 levels left Res.Fire : + . . See Invis. : + a - +10,+8 sabre of Fury {slice, +Blink +Rage SInv} Res.Cold : . . . Warding : . D - +2 robe {MR+} Life Prot.: . . . Conserve : . P - +1 buckler {rF+} (curse) Res.Poison: . Res.Corr. : . s - +0 cap Res.Elec. : . Clarity : + u - +0 cloak Sust.Abil.: . . Spirit.Shd : . (gloves unavailable) Res.Mut. : . Stasis : . (boots unavailable) Res.Rott. : . Flight : . (no amulet) Saprovore : . . . t - cursed +2 ring of protection F - cursed +3 ring of evasion @: very quick, extremely resistant to hostile enchantments, extraordinarily stealthy A: unfitting armour, antennae 1, see invisible, herbivore 3, speed 3, slow metabolism 2 a: Scrying, Renounce Religion, Evoke Blink, Evoke Berserk Rage You are on level 1 of the Lair of Beasts. You worship Ashenzari. Ashenzari is greatly pleased with you. You are full. You have visited 3 branches of the dungeon, and seen 20 of its levels. You have also visited: Sewer. You have collected 1018 gold pieces. You have spent 618 gold pieces at shops. Inventory: Hand weapons a - the cursed +10,+8 sabre of Fury (weapon) {slice, +Blink +Rage SInv} (You found it on level 3 of the Lair of Beasts) It inflicts extra damage upon your enemies. It enhances your eyesight. It lets you blink. It lets you go berserk. It has a curse placed upon it. Missiles f - an exploding dart (quivered) Armour s - a +0 cap (worn) u - a +0 cloak (worn) D - a +2 robe of magic resistance (worn) P - a cursed +1 buckler of fire resistance (worn) Magical devices d - a wand of hasting (5) q - a wand of lightning {zapped: 7} r - a glass wand v - a wand of draining {zapped: 2} C - a wand of fire K - a gold wand M - a wand of fire {zapped: 5} O - a wand of frost {zapped: 2} T - a wand of paralysis {zapped: 6} V - a copper wand Scrolls c - 2 scrolls of silence n - 7 scrolls of teleportation o - 2 scrolls of acquirement p - 3 scrolls of magic mapping w - 4 scrolls of fog E - 2 scrolls of fear Jewellery t - a cursed +2 ring of protection (right hand) F - a cursed +3 ring of evasion (left hand) Q - an uncursed amulet of faith U - an uncursed amulet of resist mutation Potions g - 3 potions of heal wounds h - 3 potions of curing z - a potion of speed G - a potion of flight Miscellaneous b - a box of beasts k - a phial of floods Skills: - Level 5.0 Fighting - Level 8.0(11.4) Short Blades - Level 1.1 Throwing + Level 11.8 Dodging - Level 14.3 Stealth - Level 12.1 Spellcasting - Level 2.6(4.5) Conjurations - Level 13.8(15.7) Hexes - Level 6.0(8.3) Charms - Level 2.0(3.7) Summonings - Level 2.4(4.3) Necromancy - Level 3.0(5.0) Translocations - Level 2.3(4.1) Air Magic - Level 2.0(3.7) Poison Magic - Level 7.6(10.0) Evocations You have 4 spell levels left. You know the following spells: Your Spells Type Power Failure Level Hunger a - Corona Hex ######. 0% 1 None b - Ensorcelled Hibernat Hex/Ice #####. 1% 2 None c - Confuse Hex ######.. 1% 3 None d - Invisibility Hex ######.. 1% 6 ######. e - Enslavement Hex ######.. 1% 4 ##..... f - Blink Tloc N/A 1% 2 None g - Repel Missiles Chrm/Air ####...... 1% 2 None h - Animate Skeleton Necr N/A 1% 1 None i - Mephitic Cloud Conj/Pois/Air ####.... 4% 3 None j - Call Imp Summ ###....... 2% 2 None k - Apportation Tloc ####...... 1% 1 None l - Slow Hex ######.. 1% 2 None m - Regeneration Chrm/Necr ####...... 1% 3 None Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations Branches: Dungeon (13/27) Temple (1/1) D:7 Orc (0/4) D:10 Lair (6/8) D:13 Shoals (0/5) Lair:4 Spider (0/5) Lair:6 Slime: Lair:6-8 Altars: Ashenzari Cheibriados Elyvilon Fedhas Kikubaaqudgha Makhleb Nemelex Xobeh Okawaru Sif Muna Trog Vehumet Xom Yredelemnul Zin the Shining One Beogh Shops: D:9 + D:11 ?? D:12 [(% Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations You are tiny and cannot use many weapons and most armour. You have supernaturally acute eyesight. You are a herbivore. You cover ground extremely quickly. You need consume almost no food. You have a pair of small antennae on your head. Notes Turn | Place | Note -------------------------------------------------------------- 0 | D:1 | Spriggs, the Spriggan Enchanter, began the quest for the Orb. 0 | D:1 | Reached XP level 1. HP: 9/9 MP: 4/4 118 | D:1 | Reached XP level 2. HP: 7/13 MP: 6/6 331 | D:1 | Learned a level 2 spell: Ensorcelled Hibernation 652 | D:2 | Reached skill level 4 in Stealth 723 | D:2 | Reached XP level 3. HP: 12/16 MP: 9/9 1394 | D:3 | Noticed Terence 1409 | D:3 | Killed Terence 1412 | D:3 | Reached XP level 4. HP: 21/21 MP: 3/11 1615 | D:3 | Noticed Ijyb 1630 | D:3 | Killed Ijyb 1630 | D:3 | Reached skill level 5 in Stealth 1732 | D:3 | Found a burning altar of Makhleb. 1804 | D:3 | Noticed Crazy Yiuf 1865 | D:3 | Killed Crazy Yiuf 1865 | D:3 | Reached XP level 5. HP: 16/24 MP: 1/13 2325 | D:4 | Learned a level 3 spell: Confuse 2547 | D:4 | Found a glowing drain. 2605 | Sewer | Entered a sewer 2736 | Sewer | Reached skill level 5 in Short Blades 2736 | Sewer | Reached skill level 6 in Stealth 2862 | D:4 | Paralysed by a giant eyeball for 4 turns 2894 | D:4 | Reached XP level 6. HP: 28/28 MP: 16/16 3327 | D:5 | Entered Level 5 of the Dungeon 3327 | D:5 | Noticed Duvessa 3327 | D:5 | Noticed Dowan 3328 | D:5 | Killed Dowan 3340 | D:4 | Reached skill level 7 in Stealth 3550 | D:5 | Reached XP level 7. HP: 32/32 MP: 13/18 3709 | D:5 | Reached skill level 8 in Stealth 4360 | D:5 | Killed Duvessa 4360 | D:5 | Reached XP level 8. HP: 30/36 MP: 9/19 4394 | D:5 | Reached skill level 9 in Stealth 4563 | D:5 | Noticed Sigmund 4567 | D:5 | Killed Sigmund 4664 | D:5 | Noticed Blork the orc 4705 | D:5 | Reached skill level 5 in Dodging 4886 | D:5 | Killed Blork the orc 4886 | D:5 | Reached skill level 5 in Hexes 5120 | D:6 | Reached skill level 10 in Stealth 5635 | D:6 | Reached XP level 9. HP: 39/39 MP: 21/21 6109 | D:6 | Reached skill level 5 in Spellcasting 6299 | D:7 | Learned a level 6 spell: Invisibility 6325 | D:7 | Found a staircase to the Ecumenical Temple. 6575 | Temple | Entered the Ecumenical Temple 6757 | D:7 | Noticed Prince Ribbit 6768 | D:7 | Killed Prince Ribbit 6965 | D:7 | Found a roughly hewn altar of Beogh. 7304 | D:8 | Learned a level 4 spell: Enslavement 7307 | D:8 | Learned a level 2 spell: Blink 7310 | D:8 | Learned a level 2 spell: Repel Missiles 7447 | D:8 | Noticed Eustachio 7460 | D:8 | Reached XP level 10. HP: 44/44 MP: 25/29 7479 | D:8 | Killed Eustachio 7708 | D:8 | Reached skill level 10 in Spellcasting 7992 | D:9 | Found a radiant altar of Vehumet. 8024 | D:9 | Paralysed by a giant eyeball for 2 turns 8070 | D:9 | Found Witoxuse's Book Emporium. 8268 | D:9 | Paralysed by a giant eyeball for 3 turns 8299 | D:9 | Found a shattered altar of Ashenzari. 8311 | D:9 | Became a worshipper of Ashenzari the Shackled 8679 | D:9 | Learned a level 1 spell: Animate Skeleton 8683 | D:9 | Learned a level 3 spell: Mephitic Cloud 8686 | D:9 | Learned a level 2 spell: Call Imp 8688 | D:9 | Learned a level 1 spell: Apportation 8691 | D:9 | Learned a level 2 spell: Slow 8741 | D:10 | Entered Level 10 of the Dungeon 9113 | D:10 | Reached skill level 10 in Dodging 9274 | D:10 | Reached skill level 1 in Translocations 9602 | D:10 | Found a staircase to the Orcish Mines. 9898 | D:11 | Reached skill level 5 in Charms 10191 | D:11 | Reached skill level 1 in Fighting 10283 | D:11 | Found Smata's Magic Scroll Shoppe. 10309 | D:11 | Bought a scroll of silence for 105 gold pieces 10309 | D:11 | Bought a scroll of remove curse for 42 gold pieces 10309 | D:11 | Bought a scroll of fear for 49 gold pieces 10309 | D:11 | Bought a scroll of remove curse for 42 gold pieces 10309 | D:11 | Bought a scroll of silence for 105 gold pieces 10309 | D:11 | Bought a scroll of holy word for 105 gold pieces 10343 | D:11 | Noticed a cyclops 10380 | D:11 | Killed a cyclops 10496 | D:11 | Noticed a hill giant 10500 | D:11 | Noticed an unseen horror 10503 | D:11 | Killed a hill giant 10503 | D:11 | Reached skill level 11 in Stealth 10519 | D:11 | Killed an unseen horror 10519 | D:11 | Reached skill level 12 in Stealth 10519 | D:11 | Reached XP level 11. HP: 40/50 MP: 28/31 10792 | D:11 | Found Yggit's Magic Scroll Emporium. 10801 | D:11 | Bought a scroll of enchant armour for 60 gold pieces 10801 | D:11 | Bought a scroll of identify for 22 gold pieces 10801 | D:11 | Bought a scroll of random uselessness for 11 gold pieces 10801 | D:11 | Bought a scroll of identify for 22 gold pieces 10911 | D:11 | Noticed a hill giant 10954 | D:11 | Killed a hill giant 10954 | D:11 | Reached skill level 13 in Stealth 11423 | D:11 | Paralysed by a giant eyeball for 3 turns 11575 | D:12 | Found Doit's Weapon Emporium. 11624 | D:12 | Found Deduz's Food Boutique. 11700 | D:12 | Reached skill level 14 in Stealth 11792 | D:12 | Noticed a hill giant 11831 | D:12 | Killed a hill giant 12352 | D:12 | Found Ariwk's Antique Armour Emporium. 12357 | D:12 | Bought a shiny buckler for 55 gold pieces 12607 | D:13 | Noticed Nergalle 12781 | D:12 | Learned a level 3 spell: Regeneration 13278 | D:13 | Noticed an unseen horror 13479 | D:13 | Killed an unseen horror 13524 | D:12 | Reached skill level 10 in Hexes 13803 | D:13 | Killed Nergalle 13853 | D:13 | Noticed Harold 13876 | D:13 | Killed Harold 13952 | D:13 | Reached XP level 12. HP: 32/54 MP: 14/33 13954 | D:13 | Noticed a centaur warrior 13969 | D:13 | Killed a centaur warrior 14949 | D:13 | Found a staircase to the Lair. 14998 | Lair:1 | Entered Level 1 of the Lair of Beasts 15698 | D:13 | Noticed an ogre mage 16091 | D:12 | Killed an ogre mage 16475 | D:12 | Noticed a dragon 16475 | D:12 | a very large slime creature changed into a dragon 16770 | D:12 | Killed a dragon 16986 | D:13 | Reached skill level 5 in Fighting 17033 | D:13 | Reached skill level 1 in Evocations 17521 | D:13 | Reached skill level 5 in Evocations 17855 | Lair:1 | Acquired Ashenzari's first power 18242 | Lair:1 | Gained mutation: You have a pair of small antennae on your head. [potion of beneficial mutation] 18311 | Lair:2 | Identified the ring of Ashufrix {rF+ Dex+4 Int-3} 18329 | Lair:2 | Reached XP level 13. HP: 60/60 MP: 29/34 18945 | Lair:3 | Acquired Ashenzari's second power 19069 | Lair:3 | Reached skill level 1 in Necromancy 19407 | Lair:3 | Reached skill level 1 in Summonings 19505 | Lair:3 | Reached skill level 1 in Poison Magic 19537 | Lair:3 | Identified the +10,+8 sabre of Fury {slice, +Blink +Rage SInv} (You found it on level 3 of the Lair of Beasts) 19835 | Lair:3 | Reached skill level 1 in Air Magic 19905 | Lair:3 | Reached skill level 1 in Conjurations 20459 | Lair:4 | Acquired Ashenzari's third power 20509 | Lair:4 | Found a staircase to the Shoals. 21742 | Lair:6 | Found a hole to the Spider Nest. 22132 | Lair:6 | Identified 2 scrolls of acquirement Action | 1- 3 | 4- 6 | 7- 9 | 10-12 | 13-15 || total -------------------------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------++------- Melee: Dagger | 153 | 216 | 260 | 743 | 135 || 1507 Whip | | 30 | 113 | 60 | || 203 Short sword | | | 16 | | || 16 Sabre | | | | | 79 || 79 Throw: Dart | 20 | 8 | 1 | 1 | || 30 Cast: Ensorcelled Hiber | 8 | 28 | 74 | 275 | 80 || 465 Confuse | | 1 | 13 | 165 | 15 || 194 Call Imp | | | | 17 | 2 || 19 Blink | | | | 2 | || 2 Repel Missiles | | | | 2 | || 2 Enslavement | | | | 1 | || 1 Animate Skeleton | | | | 23 | 32 || 55 Mephitic Cloud | | | | 1 | 1 || 2 Corona | | | | 1 | || 1 Invisibility | | | | 2 | 4 || 6 Invok: Scrying | | | | | 1 || 1 Evoke: Wand | | 1 | 16 | 25 | 1 || 43 Use: Scroll | | | 5 | 33 | 5 || 43 Potion | | | 1 | 5 | || 6 Stab: Sleeping | 9 | 32 | 54 | 162 | 63 || 320 Distracted | | 1 | 3 | 3 | 1 || 8 Confused | | | 4 | 58 | 8 || 70 Invisible | | | | 7 | 18 || 25 Held in net/web | | | | 1 | || 1

Wednesday, 4th December 2013, 16:48 by Sandman25

Acquire weapon, you are likely to get a quickblade.

Wednesday, 4th December 2013, 17:43 by Siegurt

Sandman25 wrote:Acquire weapon, you are likely to get a quickblade.

You might get a quickblade, but it's unlikely to be a large upgrade to the weapon he's using, quickblades are pretty good, but advising someone to use ?acquirement like that is just bad.

Generally you want to use ?Acquirement to help with whatever's weakest and which you have the greatest chance of improving the most (thereby giving you the largest benefit the soonest), often that's wands (As the top tier wands are very rare) sometimes it's armour, sometimes it's a weapon (Once in a great while that's jewellry, but I pretty much only use jewellry acquirement on ocotopodes, personally) sometimes it's even gold (Gold if there's something amazing you want to purchase, and can with ~1K more gold).

Acquiring to try to upgrade something that's already very strong to something stronger is nearly always a horrible idea.

Quickblades aren't much stronger than sabres, it's *really* not worth it. (Unless you already had some huge slaying bonus or were on track to bless it as a distortion or pain branded weapon, probably not even then)

Wednesday, 4th December 2013, 17:55 by Sandman25

Siegurt wrote:Quickblades aren't much stronger than sabres, it's *really* not worth it.

Are you talking about this particular character or in general? I am sure you know quickblade has delay 3 while sabre has delay 5, quickblade is faster than sabre with Haste and slice is not very good brand.

Wednesday, 4th December 2013, 18:40 by Siegurt

Assuming you have sufficient skill:

Quickbase's delay is 3, Base damage is 5, Hasted delay is 2
Sabre's delay is 5, Base damage is 7, Hasted delay is 3.33 (is 3 two-thirds of the time, and 4 one third of the time)

5*10/3 = 16 damage before AC
7*10/5 = 14 damage before AC

With no damage bonuses and vs 0 AC, a quickblade is 16/14 = 14% better than a sabre

3.33 hits/10 aut for the quickblade vs. 2.0 hits/10 aut for the sabre. Therefore a quickblade gets both 66.5% more benefit from slaying and enchantment bonuses (And flat damage brands) and 66.5% more reduction in damage done from opponent's AC. This is a benefit if your average slaying bonus (And flat damage brand bonuses) is larger than the average AC of the creatures you face, and a detriment if it's less.

Percentage based bonuses, like percentage based brands, stats, skills effect both weapons equally (So no advantage is given of one over the other.) Haste also effects both weapons equally so can be ignored for the purposes of comparing the two.

"Vorpal" is +16.66% damage on average (0-33%), which means that a +0 vorpal sabre is better than an +0 quickblade.

In order for an acquired quickblade to be equal to the sabre he's using right now, it'd have to be both +6 or better and have at least the vorpal brand, or have a better brand and slightly less enchantment level, which is fairly unlikely. Even were he to enchant a quickblade up and get a decent brand on it, you're looking at perhaps a 15-20% damage bonus, which is not bad, but not as good as the benefit he could see from for example a heal wand.

Additionally the sabre he's using can give him berserk (which is an incredible source of extra damage, easily more than doubling his damage for a short while) and blink which can get him out of trouble in a hurry.

So in conclusion:

Quickblades are a little stronger than sabres, they get more benefit from high slaying and flat damage brands than sabres, and are more subject to opponents AC. If you have access to a lot of slaying or a flat-damage bonus branded one, a quickblade is almost certainly the way to go. If not, quickblades are still a little better, but not a lot, and it's pretty much a toss up.

If you have an *excellent* sabre, it's going to be better than an *average* quickblade, acquiring a weapon to replace an *excellent* sabre means you'd have to get an *excellent* quickblade, which is very very unlikely.

Assuming you do get a quickblade which is (or soon will be) better than that sabre (which on it's own is perfectly capable of being an end-game weapon) means you deprive yourself of the opportunity to get better other items, which if they're of poor quality is a much larger bonus than the one from changing a Sabre out for a slightly (or even somewhat) better weapon, when it's already damn good.

Wednesday, 4th December 2013, 18:50 by Sandman25

I see. I use different way to compare weapons - I never compare them at +0 enchantment. +6 sabre deals d13 damage, +6 quickblade deals d11 damage. With bonuses from Fighting/Short Blades/Stats it is about d20 vs d15. Quickblade's speed is especially useful when you are trying to get confusion-stabs and it is not too hard to brand a weapon (Vorpal is the worst brand for short blades IMHO).
Chance to get quickblade is higher than to get one of big 3 wands so I would still go for weapon.
Of course it can be a bad advice but I was too disappointed with wand/armour acquirements in my last games.

Wednesday, 4th December 2013, 19:00 by skjarl

Thanks for the input. It sounds like you think I should use them on attempts at a wand of healing, Siegurt. Given the amount of unidentified wands, I think it might be longer odds than the quickblade suggestion. Any idea how much Ash's see through walls consumes for piety and satiation? I used it once and of course it's uber.

Sorry, Sandman. I agree with Siegurt this time about the weapon at least. I am usually on your side in these debates, just not this time.

Wednesday, 4th December 2013, 19:03 by Sandman25

That's ok, I am too addicted to good weapons

Please let us know what item acquirement gave to you.

Scrying: When active, all walls are transparent for you, but not for monsters. You cannot smite-target through them. Costs 4 MP, 50-100 Food, 2-3 Piety.

http://crawl.chaosforge.org/Ashenzari#Given_Abilities

Wednesday, 4th December 2013, 19:10 by rchandra

I wouldn't consider acquiring weapon here. Early weapon acquirement is great when you have a mediocre weapon, not when you have a great one hoping for an excellent one.

Armour and wand both look good. Even with many unknown wands you have a decent chance at a yellow wand, and those +0 hat/cloak are looking for help. Personally I would acquire armour twice because I don't think SpEn "needs" good wands as much as others do and I want good cursed armour but I suspect wand twice is more correct.

Wednesday, 4th December 2013, 19:23 by Siegurt

Looking at the what he has, I'd probably go with either Armour or wand, I don't think either one is a bad choice.

Wednesday, 4th December 2013, 20:08 by skjarl

I did one wand and one armor. The wand was teleportation. The armor was a hat: the cursed +1 wizard hat of Honesty {MR+ Acc+5 Dam+3}. Excellent acquisitions, both. Thanks for the advice. Let's try to go not die for a while as finish lair and move on to orc.

Wednesday, 4th December 2013, 22:38 by skjarl

Another new update. Just finished Spider's Nest. It wasn't too bad other than a couple of times the jumping bastards almost destroyed me. I invis'd and stabbed then entire rune room. Didn't wake a single critter. Also, ghost moths can go to hell. I can't imagine what a pure caster would do against them at that level. They nearly wrecked me.

Anyway, since I found a ring of flight, I think I will tackle shoals next. If anyone sees anything I could be doing better, feel free to comment.

Code:: Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.14-a0-759-g26e2352 (tiles) character file. Spriggs the Imperceptible (Spriggan Enchanter) Turns: 36224, Time: 05:31:03 HP 81/81 AC 8 Str 9 XL: 16 Next: 61% MP 38/38 EV 32 Int 18 God: Ashenzari [******] Gold 1262 SH 17 Dex 17 Spells: 12 memorised, 5 levels left Res.Fire : + . . See Invis. : + a - +10,+8 sabre of Fury {slice, +Blink +Rage SInv} Res.Cold : . . . Warding : . D - +2 robe {MR+} Life Prot.: . . . Conserve : . P - +1 buckler {rF+} (curse) Res.Poison: . Res.Corr. : . e - +1 wizard hat of Honesty {MR+ Acc+5 Dam+3} Res.Elec. : . Clarity : + x - +0 cloak Sust.Abil.: . . Spirit.Shd : . (gloves unavailable) Res.Mut. : + Stasis : . (boots unavailable) Res.Rott. : . Flight : . U - cursed amulet of resist mutation Saprovore : . . . t - cursed +2 ring of protection F - cursed +3 ring of evasion @: very quick, extraordinarily resistant to hostile enchantments, incredibly stealthy A: unfitting armour, antennae 1, see invisible, herbivore 3, speed 3, slow metabolism 2 a: Scrying, Transfer Knowledge, Renounce Religion, Evoke Blink, Evoke Berserk Rage }: 1/15 runes: gossamer You are on level 1 of the Lair of Beasts. You worship Ashenzari. Ashenzari is exalted by your worship. You are very full. You have visited 5 branches of the dungeon, and seen 32 of its levels. You have also visited: Sewer. You have collected 2526 gold pieces. You have spent 1264 gold pieces at shops. Inventory: Hand weapons a - the cursed +10,+8 sabre of Fury (weapon) {slice, +Blink +Rage SInv} (You found it on level 3 of the Lair of Beasts) It inflicts extra damage upon your enemies. It enhances your eyesight. It lets you blink. It lets you go berserk. It has a curse placed upon it. Armour e - the cursed +1 wizard hat of Honesty (worn) {MR+ Acc+5 Dam+3} (You acquired it on level 1 of the Lair of Beasts) It affects your accuracy (+5). It affects your damage-dealing abilities (+3). It affects your resistance to hostile enchantments. It has a curse placed upon it. x - a +0 cloak (worn) D - a +2 robe of magic resistance (worn) P - a cursed +1 buckler of fire resistance (worn) Magical devices d - a wand of hasting (5) i - a wand of teleportation (4) m - a wand of digging (14) q - a wand of draining (4) C - a wand of heal wounds (9) N - a wand of lightning V - a wand of disintegration (16) Comestibles j - a bread ration Scrolls c - 2 scrolls of silence p - 3 scrolls of magic mapping s - a scroll of summoning w - 4 scrolls of fog y - a scroll of blinking Jewellery t - a cursed +2 ring of protection (right hand) B - an uncursed ring of flight F - a cursed +3 ring of evasion (left hand) U - a cursed amulet of resist mutation (around neck) Potions g - 4 potions of heal wounds h - 3 potions of curing r - a potion of resistance G - a potion of flight Miscellaneous b - a box of beasts k - a phial of floods Skills: - Level 10.1 Fighting - Level 8.0(12.4) Short Blades - Level 1.0 Throwing - Level 13.0 Dodging - Level 22.8 Stealth - Level 4.3(7.2) Shields - Level 13.1 Spellcasting - Level 2.6(6.2) Conjurations - Level 13.8(17.8) Hexes + Level 6.0(10.5) Charms - Level 2.0(5.3) Summonings - Level 2.4(6.0) Necromancy - Level 3.0(6.8) Translocations - Level 2.3(5.8) Air Magic - Level 2.0(5.3) Poison Magic - Level 10.0(14.3) Evocations You have 5 spell levels left. You know the following spells: Your Spells Type Power Failure Level Hunger a - Corona Hex ######. 0% 1 None b - Ensorcelled Hibernat Hex/Ice #####. 1% 2 None c - Confuse Hex ######.. 0% 3 None d - Invisibility Hex ######.. 1% 6 ######. e - Haste Chrm #####... 14% 6 ######. f - Blink Tloc N/A 1% 2 None g - Deflect Missiles Chrm/Air #####..... 38% 6 ######. h - Animate Skeleton Necr N/A 1% 1 None i - Mephitic Cloud Conj/Pois/Air ####.... 1% 3 None j - Call Imp Summ ####...... 1% 2 None k - Apportation Tloc #####..... 1% 1 None m - Regeneration Chrm/Necr #####..... 1% 3 None Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations Branches: Dungeon (14/27) Temple (1/1) D:7 Orc (4/4) D:10 Elf (0/3) Orc:4 Lair (8/8) D:13 Shoals (0/5) Lair:4 Spider (5/5) Lair:6 Slime (0/6) Lair:8 Altars: Ashenzari Cheibriados Elyvilon Fedhas Kikubaaqudgha Makhleb Nemelex Xobeh Okawaru Sif Muna Trog Vehumet Xom Yredelemnul Zin the Shining One Beogh Jiyva Shops: D:9 + D:11 ?? D:12 [(% D:14 + Orc:2 % Orc:4 %//+ Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations You are tiny and cannot use many weapons and most armour. You have supernaturally acute eyesight. You are a herbivore. You cover ground extremely quickly. You need consume almost no food. You have a pair of small antennae on your head. Notes Turn | Place | Note -------------------------------------------------------------- 0 | D:1 | Spriggs, the Spriggan Enchanter, began the quest for the Orb. 0 | D:1 | Reached XP level 1. HP: 9/9 MP: 4/4 118 | D:1 | Reached XP level 2. HP: 7/13 MP: 6/6 331 | D:1 | Learned a level 2 spell: Ensorcelled Hibernation 652 | D:2 | Reached skill level 4 in Stealth 723 | D:2 | Reached XP level 3. HP: 12/16 MP: 9/9 1394 | D:3 | Noticed Terence 1409 | D:3 | Killed Terence 1412 | D:3 | Reached XP level 4. HP: 21/21 MP: 3/11 1615 | D:3 | Noticed Ijyb 1630 | D:3 | Killed Ijyb 1630 | D:3 | Reached skill level 5 in Stealth 1732 | D:3 | Found a burning altar of Makhleb. 1804 | D:3 | Noticed Crazy Yiuf 1865 | D:3 | Killed Crazy Yiuf 1865 | D:3 | Reached XP level 5. HP: 16/24 MP: 1/13 2325 | D:4 | Learned a level 3 spell: Confuse 2547 | D:4 | Found a glowing drain. 2605 | Sewer | Entered a sewer 2736 | Sewer | Reached skill level 5 in Short Blades 2736 | Sewer | Reached skill level 6 in Stealth 2862 | D:4 | Paralysed by a giant eyeball for 4 turns 2894 | D:4 | Reached XP level 6. HP: 28/28 MP: 16/16 3327 | D:5 | Entered Level 5 of the Dungeon 3327 | D:5 | Noticed Duvessa 3327 | D:5 | Noticed Dowan 3328 | D:5 | Killed Dowan 3340 | D:4 | Reached skill level 7 in Stealth 3550 | D:5 | Reached XP level 7. HP: 32/32 MP: 13/18 3709 | D:5 | Reached skill level 8 in Stealth 4360 | D:5 | Killed Duvessa 4360 | D:5 | Reached XP level 8. HP: 30/36 MP: 9/19 4394 | D:5 | Reached skill level 9 in Stealth 4563 | D:5 | Noticed Sigmund 4567 | D:5 | Killed Sigmund 4664 | D:5 | Noticed Blork the orc 4705 | D:5 | Reached skill level 5 in Dodging 4886 | D:5 | Killed Blork the orc 4886 | D:5 | Reached skill level 5 in Hexes 5120 | D:6 | Reached skill level 10 in Stealth 5635 | D:6 | Reached XP level 9. HP: 39/39 MP: 21/21 6109 | D:6 | Reached skill level 5 in Spellcasting 6299 | D:7 | Learned a level 6 spell: Invisibility 6325 | D:7 | Found a staircase to the Ecumenical Temple. 6575 | Temple | Entered the Ecumenical Temple 6757 | D:7 | Noticed Prince Ribbit 6768 | D:7 | Killed Prince Ribbit 6965 | D:7 | Found a roughly hewn altar of Beogh. 7304 | D:8 | Learned a level 4 spell: Enslavement 7307 | D:8 | Learned a level 2 spell: Blink 7310 | D:8 | Learned a level 2 spell: Repel Missiles 7447 | D:8 | Noticed Eustachio 7460 | D:8 | Reached XP level 10. HP: 44/44 MP: 25/29 7479 | D:8 | Killed Eustachio 7708 | D:8 | Reached skill level 10 in Spellcasting 7992 | D:9 | Found a radiant altar of Vehumet. 8024 | D:9 | Paralysed by a giant eyeball for 2 turns 8070 | D:9 | Found Witoxuse's Book Emporium. 8268 | D:9 | Paralysed by a giant eyeball for 3 turns 8299 | D:9 | Found a shattered altar of Ashenzari. 8311 | D:9 | Became a worshipper of Ashenzari the Shackled 8679 | D:9 | Learned a level 1 spell: Animate Skeleton 8683 | D:9 | Learned a level 3 spell: Mephitic Cloud 8686 | D:9 | Learned a level 2 spell: Call Imp 8688 | D:9 | Learned a level 1 spell: Apportation 8691 | D:9 | Learned a level 2 spell: Slow 8741 | D:10 | Entered Level 10 of the Dungeon 9113 | D:10 | Reached skill level 10 in Dodging 9274 | D:10 | Reached skill level 1 in Translocations 9602 | D:10 | Found a staircase to the Orcish Mines. 9898 | D:11 | Reached skill level 5 in Charms 10191 | D:11 | Reached skill level 1 in Fighting 10283 | D:11 | Found Smata's Magic Scroll Shoppe. 10309 | D:11 | Bought a scroll of silence for 105 gold pieces 10309 | D:11 | Bought a scroll of remove curse for 42 gold pieces 10309 | D:11 | Bought a scroll of fear for 49 gold pieces 10309 | D:11 | Bought a scroll of remove curse for 42 gold pieces 10309 | D:11 | Bought a scroll of silence for 105 gold pieces 10309 | D:11 | Bought a scroll of holy word for 105 gold pieces 10343 | D:11 | Noticed a cyclops 10380 | D:11 | Killed a cyclops 10496 | D:11 | Noticed a hill giant 10500 | D:11 | Noticed an unseen horror 10503 | D:11 | Killed a hill giant 10503 | D:11 | Reached skill level 11 in Stealth 10519 | D:11 | Killed an unseen horror 10519 | D:11 | Reached skill level 12 in Stealth 10519 | D:11 | Reached XP level 11. HP: 40/50 MP: 28/31 10792 | D:11 | Found Yggit's Magic Scroll Emporium. 10801 | D:11 | Bought a scroll of enchant armour for 60 gold pieces 10801 | D:11 | Bought a scroll of identify for 22 gold pieces 10801 | D:11 | Bought a scroll of random uselessness for 11 gold pieces 10801 | D:11 | Bought a scroll of identify for 22 gold pieces 10911 | D:11 | Noticed a hill giant 10954 | D:11 | Killed a hill giant 10954 | D:11 | Reached skill level 13 in Stealth 11423 | D:11 | Paralysed by a giant eyeball for 3 turns 11575 | D:12 | Found Doit's Weapon Emporium. 11624 | D:12 | Found Deduz's Food Boutique. 11700 | D:12 | Reached skill level 14 in Stealth 11792 | D:12 | Noticed a hill giant 11831 | D:12 | Killed a hill giant 12352 | D:12 | Found Ariwk's Antique Armour Emporium. 12357 | D:12 | Bought a shiny buckler for 55 gold pieces 12607 | D:13 | Noticed Nergalle 12781 | D:12 | Learned a level 3 spell: Regeneration 13278 | D:13 | Noticed an unseen horror 13479 | D:13 | Killed an unseen horror 13524 | D:12 | Reached skill level 10 in Hexes 13803 | D:13 | Killed Nergalle 13853 | D:13 | Noticed Harold 13876 | D:13 | Killed Harold 13952 | D:13 | Reached XP level 12. HP: 32/54 MP: 14/33 13954 | D:13 | Noticed a centaur warrior 13969 | D:13 | Killed a centaur warrior 14949 | D:13 | Found a staircase to the Lair. 14998 | Lair:1 | Entered Level 1 of the Lair of Beasts 15698 | D:13 | Noticed an ogre mage 16091 | D:12 | Killed an ogre mage 16475 | D:12 | Noticed a dragon 16475 | D:12 | a very large slime creature changed into a dragon 16770 | D:12 | Killed a dragon 16986 | D:13 | Reached skill level 5 in Fighting 17033 | D:13 | Reached skill level 1 in Evocations 17521 | D:13 | Reached skill level 5 in Evocations 17855 | Lair:1 | Acquired Ashenzari's first power 18242 | Lair:1 | Gained mutation: You have a pair of small antennae on your head. [potion of beneficial mutation] 18311 | Lair:2 | Identified the ring of Ashufrix {rF+ Dex+4 Int-3} 18329 | Lair:2 | Reached XP level 13. HP: 60/60 MP: 29/34 18945 | Lair:3 | Acquired Ashenzari's second power 19069 | Lair:3 | Reached skill level 1 in Necromancy 19407 | Lair:3 | Reached skill level 1 in Summonings 19505 | Lair:3 | Reached skill level 1 in Poison Magic 19537 | Lair:3 | Identified the +10,+8 sabre of Fury {slice, +Blink +Rage SInv} (You found it on level 3 of the Lair of Beasts) 19835 | Lair:3 | Reached skill level 1 in Air Magic 19905 | Lair:3 | Reached skill level 1 in Conjurations 20459 | Lair:4 | Acquired Ashenzari's third power 20509 | Lair:4 | Found a staircase to the Shoals. 21742 | Lair:6 | Found a hole to the Spider Nest. 22132 | Lair:6 | Identified 2 scrolls of acquirement 22306 | Lair:1 | Got the cursed wizard hat of Honesty {MR+ Acc+5 Dam+3} 22311 | Lair:1 | Identified the cursed +1 wizard hat of Honesty {MR+ Acc+5 Dam+3} (You acquired it on level 1 of the Lair of Beasts) 23397 | Lair:7 | Acquired Ashenzari's fourth power 23927 | Lair:7 | Reached skill level 10 in Evocations 24245 | Lair:8 | Entered Level 8 of the Lair of Beasts 24266 | Lair:8 | Reached XP level 14. HP: 65/65 MP: 36/36 24654 | Lair:8 | Found a viscous altar of Jiyva. 24655 | Lair:8 | Found a staircase to the Slime Pits. 24725 | Lair:8 | Reached skill level 15 in Stealth 25140 | Lair:8 | Reached skill level 16 in Stealth 25720 | Lair:8 | Reached skill level 17 in Stealth 25978 | D:14 | Reached skill level 1 in Shields 26091 | D:14 | Noticed Louise 26093 | D:14 | Killed Louise 26105 | D:14 | Noticed Rupert 26109 | D:14 | Killed Rupert 26117 | D:14 | Found Noufil's Book Shop. 26833 | Orc:1 | Entered Level 1 of the Orcish Mines 26833 | Orc:1 | Noticed Psyche 26845 | Orc:1 | Killed Psyche 27760 | Orc:2 | Found a burning altar of Makhleb. 27761 | Orc:2 | Found Throte's Food Boutique. 27842 | Orc:3 | Noticed Maurice 27843 | Orc:3 | Killed Maurice 28070 | Orc:4 | Entered Level 4 of the Orcish Mines 28091 | Orc:4 | Found a staircase to the Elven Halls. 28139 | Orc:4 | Noticed Erolcha 28151 | Orc:4 | Killed Erolcha 28181 | Orc:4 | Noticed Erica 28218 | Orc:4 | Killed Erica 28388 | Orc:4 | Reached skill level 18 in Stealth 28507 | Orc:4 | Found a roughly hewn altar of Beogh. 28523 | Orc:4 | Found Cihoif's Magical Wand Shoppe. 28523 | Orc:4 | Found Smatahuff's Magical Wand Boutique. 28523 | Orc:4 | Found Togog's Food Shoppe. 28523 | Orc:4 | Found Mnonaos' Book Boutique. 28826 | Orc:4 | Found a roughly hewn altar of Beogh. 29048 | Orc:4 | Bought a wand of digging (15) for 646 gold pieces 29349 | Orc:3 | Noticed Sonja 29361 | Orc:3 | Killed Sonja 29683 | Orc:3 | Reached skill level 19 in Stealth 30010 | Lair:1 | Learned a level 6 spell: Haste 30018 | Lair:1 | Learned a level 6 spell: Deflect Missiles 30131 | Spider:1 | Entered Level 1 of the Spider Nest 30211 | Spider:1 | Reached XP level 15. HP: 60/69 MP: 29/37 31315 | Spider:2 | Noticed Nikola 31435 | Spider:2 | Killed Nikola 31651 | Spider:2 | Noticed Arachne 31706 | Spider:2 | Killed Arachne 32319 | Spider:3 | Identified the +4,+1 spear "Beupn" {elec, rElec Int+2} 33655 | Spider:4 | Reached skill level 10 in Fighting 34187 | Spider:4 | Reached XP level 16. HP: 75/81 MP: 29/38 34290 | Spider:4 | Reached skill level 20 in Stealth 34936 | Spider:5 | Entered Level 5 of the Spider Nest 35056 | Spider:5 | Reached skill level 21 in Stealth 35850 | Spider:5 | Reached skill level 22 in Stealth 35878 | Spider:5 | Got a gossamer rune of Zot Action | 1- 3 | 4- 6 | 7- 9 | 10-12 | 13-15 | 16-18 || total -------------------------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------++------- Melee: Dagger | 153 | 216 | 260 | 743 | 135 | || 1507 Whip | | 30 | 113 | 60 | | || 203 Short sword | | | 16 | | | || 16 Sabre | | | | | 1060 | 162 || 1222 Throw: Dart | 20 | 8 | 1 | 1 | | || 30 Cast: Ensorcelled Hiber | 8 | 28 | 74 | 275 | 327 | 84 || 796 Confuse | | 1 | 13 | 165 | 122 | 10 || 311 Call Imp | | | | 17 | 3 | || 20 Blink | | | | 2 | 5 | || 7 Repel Missiles | | | | 2 | | || 2 Enslavement | | | | 1 | | || 1 Animate Skeleton | | | | 23 | 55 | || 78 Mephitic Cloud | | | | 1 | 8 | 1 || 10 Corona | | | | 1 | | || 1 Invisibility | | | | 2 | 15 | 1 || 18 Regeneration | | | | | 21 | 4 || 25 Invok: Scrying | | | | | 3 | 1 || 4 Transfer Knowledg | | | | | 1 | || 1 Evoke: Wand | | 1 | 16 | 25 | 17 | 1 || 60 Miscellaneous | | | | | 2 | 2 || 4 Use: Scroll | | | 5 | 33 | 17 | 4 || 59 Potion | | | 1 | 5 | 4 | 2 || 12 Stab: Sleeping | 9 | 32 | 54 | 162 | 311 | 77 || 645 Distracted | | 1 | 3 | 3 | 4 | || 11 Confused | | | 4 | 58 | 41 | 4 || 107 Invisible | | | | 7 | 71 | || 78 Held in net/web | | | | 1 | 2 | || 3

Thursday, 5th December 2013, 09:46 by Konedar

You are doing good IMO, training charms for haste.
You need at least 14 in short blades for sabre min delay.

With flight and invis you definitely want to go for shoals as except for possible uniques it's a free stab fest. Also shoals 5 loot can be nice. A rC+ would be safer but not mandatory.
Nice cap! You just need to upgrade cloak and rings and you are all set!

Thursday, 5th December 2013, 11:20 by skjarl

Looks like Sandman's weapon showed up in a huge vault that was basically all of D:22 -> the cursed +5, +9 quick blade of the Mouth {freeze, rElec rPois rC+}. Needless to say, I'll be swapping over to that immediately. Still going strong. Cleared Elf except for the final vault. Finished shoals without much trouble. I am waffling on either doing D:23 - 27 next or tackling the vault. Decisions!

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