YAVP TrWr - Jiyva heals me for 300 HP per turn

Tuesday, 12th February 2013, 21:49 by Psieye

This was supposed to be a throwaway character made up when I'm way too tired to be playing my main (MiPr). I lack Tr experience.

Code:: Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.12-a0-2016-g81abd09 (tiles) character file. Slade the Grappler (Troll Warper) Turns: 5366, Time: 00:34:57 HP 80/80 AC 5 Str 18 XL: 9 Next: 12% MP 6/6 EV 10 Int 12 God: Gold 218 SH 0 Dex 9 Spells: 3 memorised, 5 levels left Res.Fire : + . . See Invis. : + - Unarmed Res.Cold : . . . Warding : . x - +0 robe Life Prot.: + . . Conserve : . (shield restricted) Res.Poison: . Res.Corr. : . (helmet restricted) Res.Elec. : . Clarity : . (no cloak) Sust.Abil.: . . Spirit.Shd : . (gloves unavailable) Res.Mut. : + Stasis : . (boots unavailable) Res.Rott. : . Ctrl.Telep.: . B - amulet of resist mutation Gourmand : + Flight : . L - ring of see invisible E - ring "Kud Blan" {rF+ rN+ Str-3} @: slightly resistant to hostile enchantments, very unstealthy A: unfitting armour, claws 3, fast metabolism 3, gourmand, regeneration 2, saprovore 2, tough skin 2, AC +1 a: no special abilities You are in the Ecumenical Temple. You are full. You have visited 2 branches of the dungeon, and seen 8 of its levels. You have also visited: Ossuary. You have collected 238 gold pieces. You have spent 70 gold pieces at shops. Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations Branches: Dungeon (7/27) Temple (1/1) D:7 Orc (0/4) D:6 Altars: Ashenzari Cheibriados Elyvilon Fedhas Kikubaaqudgha Makhleb Nemelex Xobeh Okawaru Sif Muna Trog Vehumet Xom Yredelemnul Zin the Shining One Shops: D:7: * Skills: + Level 2.8 Fighting - Level 3.3 Throwing - Level 1.9 Dodging - Level 10.0 Unarmed Combat - Level 1.2 Spellcasting - Level 3.1 Translocations You have 5 spell levels left. You know the following spells: Your Spells Type Power Failure Level Hunger a - Apportation Tloc ##........ 10% 1 ##..... b - Portal Projectile Tloc ##..... 12% 2 ###.... c - Blink Tloc N/A 12% 2 ###.... Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations You are too large for most types of armour. You have claws for hands. Your metabolism is lightning-fast. You like to eat raw meat. You heal very quickly. You can eat rotten meat. You are covered in fur (AC +1). You have very tough skin (AC +2). Inventory: Hand weapons b - a +0 blowgun c - an uncursed sling Missiles e - 77 darts (quivered) f - 7 darts of dispersal u - 56 stones D - a throwing net O - 4 poisoned needles Armour x - a +0 robe (worn) Magical devices q - a wand of hasting (5) K - a wand of polymorph other {zapped: 1} Comestibles j - 3 meat rations G - a slice of pizza Scrolls d - 3 scrolls of blinking h - 2 scrolls of fear i - 3 scrolls of teleportation Jewellery B - an amulet of resist mutation (around neck) E - the ring "Kud Blan" (left claw) {rF+ rN+ Str-3} (You found it on level 4 of the Dungeon) [ring of strength] It affects your strength (-3). It protects you from fire. It protects you from negative energy. L - a ring of see invisible (right claw) Potions g - 3 potions of heal wounds l - a potion of agility m - 3 potions of curing z - an inky potion F - an oily blue potion Action | 1- 3 | 4- 6 | 7- 9 || total -------------------------+-------+-------+-------++------- Melee: Unarmed | 126 | 126 | 390 || 642 Dagger | | | 4 || 4 Fire: Blowgun | | | 8 || 8 Throw: Dart | | 10 | 15 || 25 Evoke: Wand | 1 | | 2 || 3 Use: Scroll | 5 | 3 | 14 || 22 Table legend: A = Turns spent in this place as a percentage of turns spent in the entire game. B = Non-inter-level travel turns spent in this place as a percentage of non-inter-level travel turns spent in the entire game. C = Inter-level travel turns spent in this place as a percentage of turns spent in this place. D = Turns resting spent in this place as a percentage of non-inter-level travel turns spent in this place. E = Turns spent auto-exploring this place as a percentage of non-inter-level travel turns spent in this place. F = Non-inter-level travel turns spent in this place divided by the number of levels of this place that you've seen. A B C D E F +-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+---------------------- Total | 100.0 | 100.0 | 0.5 | 1.3 | 5.1 | 292.2 Dungeon | 82.6 | 82.5 | 0.6 | 0.5 | 6.1 | 310.1 Temple | 0.6 | 0.6 | 0.0 | 0.0 | 6.2 | 16.0 Ossuary | 16.8 | 16.8 | 0.0 | 5.4 | 0.0 | 443.0 +-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+---------------------- Notes Turn | Place | Note -------------------------------------------------------------- 0 | D:1 | Slade, the Troll Warper, began the quest for the Orb. 0 | D:1 | Reached XP level 1. HP: 19/19 MP: 1/1 143 | D:1 | Reached XP level 2. HP: 27/27 MP: 1/1 189 | D:1 | Learned a level 2 spell: Portal Projectile 307 | D:1 | Reached skill level 3 in Unarmed Combat 818 | D:2 | Reached XP level 3. HP: 33/33 MP: 2/2 1033 | D:2 | Reached skill level 4 in Unarmed Combat 1296 | D:3 | Reached XP level 4. HP: 37/41 MP: 3/3 1300 | D:3 | Learned a level 2 spell: Blink 1831 | D:4 | Reached skill level 5 in Unarmed Combat 1856 | D:4 | Reached XP level 5. HP: 45/48 MP: 3/3 2003 | D:4 | Noticed Grinder 2006 | D:5 | Entered Level 5 of the Dungeon 2015 | D:5 | Noticed an ogre 2028 | D:5 | Killed an ogre 2138 | D:5 | Found a sand-covered staircase. 2143 | Ossuary | Entered an ossuary 2154 | Ossuary | Reached skill level 1 in Throwing 2201 | Ossuary | Noticed a human zombie 2293 | Ossuary | Killed a human zombie 2293 | Ossuary | Reached XP level 6. HP: 57/57 MP: 4/4 2297 | Ossuary | Learned a level 2 spell: Shroud of Golubria 2356 | Ossuary | Reached XP level 7. HP: 49/63 MP: 5/5 2370 | Ossuary | Reached skill level 6 in Unarmed Combat 2796 | Ossuary | Reached skill level 7 in Unarmed Combat 3359 | D:4 | Killed Grinder 3359 | D:4 | Reached skill level 8 in Unarmed Combat 3359 | D:4 | Reached XP level 8. HP: 45/71 MP: 5/5 3477 | D:4 | Got a scintillating amber ring 3819 | D:5 | Identified the cursed ring "Kud Blan" {rF+ rN+ Str-3} (You found it on level 4 of the Dungeon) 4196 | D:6 | Reached skill level 9 in Unarmed Combat 4500 | D:6 | Noticed Menkaure 4553 | D:6 | Killed Menkaure 4759 | D:6 | Reached skill level 10 in Unarmed Combat 4761 | D:6 | Reached XP level 9. HP: 53/78 MP: 6/6 4796 | D:6 | Paralysed by a giant eyeball for 2 turns 4810 | D:6 | Paralysed by a giant eyeball for 4 turns 4862 | D:6 | Found a staircase to the Orcish Mines. 5119 | D:7 | Found Eqyo's General Store. 5138 | D:7 | Bought a potion of paralysis for 14 gold pieces 5138 | D:7 | Bought a scroll of curse armour for 28 gold pieces 5143 | D:7 | Bought a scroll of identify for 28 gold pieces 5298 | D:7 | Found a staircase to the Ecumenical Temple. 5312 | Temple | Entered the Ecumenical Temple

I get a Wand of Haste on D:2 and I have 3 recharge scrolls already. There goes my plan to go Chei and go super-smite with portal projectile -> large rock. I get SInv and rF+ rings early and it's always nice to know rMut got found even if I won't need it for aeons. So I've been infused with a lot of luck on this character, meaning I need to contemplate the future carefully.

First, i need a god plan. I am thinking of 3 options:
A) Oka -> Kiku/Zin, hope to get some dragon armour from Oka earlier than I'd normally get one, then ask Kiku or Zin to keep me fed in extended
B) Mak -> Kiku/Zin, rely on Mak to blow up ranged threats then same as A) for extended
C) Ash, just beeline for 3-rune win while relying on Ash to buff my magic skills

I'm leaning towards A) but I need a couple details to be sure: 1) does Oka gift large rocks? 2) Is portal projectile -> large rock a feasible way to deal with ranged threats that will inevitably make my life miserable in the lategame?

Second, i need a skill plan. I've just hit UC 10. I'm thinking to grab a few levels in Fighting, some Invo if my god needs it and then push for UC 15 before starting to work on dodging. But given I've been putting points into Int, not sure if dodging will be worth it given my abysmal Dex. If I successfully skin a dragon hide of any kind then I can pump up Armour but that's not until later. Much as GSC is awesome, I am going to stick with UC as my melee skill. At some point I need to train up Charms/Transloc/Air so I can have cTele, RMsl, Phase Shift, Swiftness and Haste online. Throwing will get some priority first though, unless I'm with Mak.

So there's my game plan. Criticisms? Addendums?

Wednesday, 13th February 2013, 06:33 by Siegurt

God plan:
The ones you've mentioned are fairly good, although the chances of getting dragon armor gift from Oka is pretty darn small, I've never gotten a dragon armor gift from Oka before finding one in the dungeon, Large rocks are a potential ammo gift *but* throwing has the issue of you might get large rocks, or javelins, or darts, or even needles, I think I have gotten darts about 3/4 of the time too (Dunno how patient you are)

An alternative to those that you mentioned is to go with Jyvia, I love Jyvia with a unarmed combat specialist, many of the mutations he gives you increase your unarmed combat damage, and he lets you cure bad mutations and he feeds you, passively and ALOT, and you can slimify your hands, turning them into claws of "make that thing into an ally/blocker for me"

My favorite way to deal with ranged threats is with cBlink or even cTele+Blink.

Also shields are VERY worth it with an unarmed specialist troll, they help a great deal (particularly if you can find a nice one with resistance or reflection) defensively, and they don't drop your unarmed offense very much at all (once you've got enough shield skill you're looking at losing 0.1 AUT 1/2 of the time) with a non-unarmed user, typically restricting yourself to one-handed weapons kinda sucks, but unarmed is already one-handed, or well, sorta, shields do slow down your attack speed a bit, but with some skill it's not a problem, and Trolls, being large need less shield than a medium-sized race to eliminate penalties

In terms of skill training, the unarmed skill is MUCH more useful offensively than fighting, although fighting does help some (and gives you more hp, which is the main reason you should train it) but more with accuracy than with actual damage, unarmed both directly impacts the base damage of your attack, AND bumps up your attack speed, dodging will ultimately be worth it, but you'll need a LOT before you see the payoff, most times I dump a ton of points into it all at once sometime later in the game.

Throwing is unfortunately the worst damage skill in terms of the bonus damage you see from it, Large rocks are great for thrown weapons, but the difference between a thrown rock at skill 5 and at skill 20 isn't very large, it does help with accuracy a bunch though. The main problem is that thrown weapons, just like spells always take a full 1.0 AUT, so you'll never throw enough rocks to kill large baddies, or kill sufficient numbers of hordes to prevent them from getting close to you, and once they're next to you, an Unarmed attack is *SO* much better. Throwing will help you use portal projectile to nuke orc priests and other pesky things that are behind the hordes, but it will never be a primary attack, so I wouldn't invest much into it until later, when you're kinda stuck on what to train

Spell wise you should probably look into blade hands, and possibly statue form and/or dragon form, as all of those spells give you a significant power output boost (Just *being* a troll gives you a huge boost to unarmed combat) (If you do branch into earth for statue form, be sure to get stoneskin

Wednesday, 13th February 2013, 06:35 by Siegurt

Oh, and probably should be mentioned that Oka doesn't gift ammo unless the relevant skill is 8 or higher.

Wednesday, 13th February 2013, 08:15 by Psieye

So, Wizmode testing shows Oka gifts dragon armours but after a plethora of junk weapons, robes, hats, cloaks and shields. But then, Oka shouldn't be picked for gifts, Heroism would be a bigger boon on a Troll (bad aptitudes) than a Mi and Finesse would mean I can save my Haste wand charges for non-attack purposes.

Hmm I had forgotten Jiyva feeds you too yes, but that's an endgame conversion. But I still need to pick a god NOW to get me to Jiyva.

On that note, yes there are a number of skills that would be 'good to have' but that's not quite what I asked for. I need to know what I should train RIGHT NOW.
- I can disregard Throwing based on your advice: I can throw large rocks just fine with 3~5 Throwing skill and rely on Portal Projectile for accuracy.
- Fighting does improve the damage multiplier almost as much as a weapon skill, it's just that UC is different to weapon skills in that it ALSO improves the base damage.
- Shields actually do interfere with 'unarmed combat' because it denies me my off-hand punch, which I read is 20% of a troll's damage output. They're still nice to have, AFTER I have a solution for ranged combat.
- Anything Tmut is almost out of the question (until deep in extended) for a Troll that's already got plans for Charms/Transloc.

I have a tight EXP budget. I need advice on the immediate priorities. Longer-term priorities can be figured out later. Wizmode testing shows I'd need 7/8 Charms/Transloc to have cTele 'acceptably online' for my Int and Spc. "Do I get cTele online now or do I get more UC?" is my first question.

Wednesday, 13th February 2013, 22:52 by Siegurt

Where you are in the game right now I'd go for UC first (At least up to 15ish) Unless you are specifically heading for somewhere that has a lot of ranged combat baddies (like say Elf, which I wouldn't do yet if I were you) If that's the case get the spells online first. Really, with careful tactics you shouldn't get ambushed with lots of ranged problems you can't already handle until you do Elf, Vaults, the last level of Orc, or get below D:17 or so (Wherever it is that you start having to deal with packs of Yaktuar's with captains) A few other places might be minor problems, but if you're being careful and using your abilities, Ranged pests won't bother you too much.

Offhand punch is about a 1/6 chance of an extra attack, which gets about 1/2 bonus from skills (a little more than 1/2 damage) than a main-hand attack would, Which is about 8.3% more damage (Larger percentage bonus with less skill), less against critters with a decent AC. Given how fragile Trolls are, I always felt like the trade was worth it

But yes, definitely a "later" thing

[[ Edit, just re-read the code, it's a 1:2 chance followed by a 2:3 chance (not a 1:3 chance) so it's actually a 2:6 chance of an extra attack, which makes it more like 16% extra damage before AC application, I still maintain that shields are ultimately worth it ]]

And yes, fighting does give about 80% of the bonus damage that a regular weapon skill does (with none of the speed bonuses, making it IMHO about 40% as useful until you hit min delay), but UC is actually about twice as important as a regular weapon skill, if not a little more. I usually train 1 point of fighting for every 4 points of UC. (I typically train about 2 points of fighting for every 5 points of a weapon skill until I hit min delay, with a non-unarmed fighter)

I personally would probably go with Makhelb if you are planning to switch, his wrath is very survivable if you're careful. Healing on kills means less resting means less food spent, and summoning demons means fodder to get in the way of pests you need to get closer to or get away from

Although Oka's Heroism+Finesse isn't a bad trade for Makhelb's demons+conjurations+healing. I've found Oka's wrath to be *slightly* more difficult to handle than Mak's but maybe that's just me.

Although... If you have an altar readily available and you plan on going with Jyvia it might be worth it to do it now, scum all the junk from early levels to max out piety real quick and go grab the loot from the end of slime, that's actually more likely to get you an early dragon armor than Oka anyway (Not to mention nice books lots of wands and other nice goodies.. just make sure you have digging available and paralyze the jellies before they eat the goods.) Hm, Tempting but perhaps not worth it yet.

Thursday, 14th February 2013, 19:04 by Psieye

Code:: Slade the Brawler (Troll Warper) Turns: 9537, Time: 01:01:02 HP 94/94 AC 5 Str 18 XL: 11 Next: 13% MP 12/12 EV 10 Int 12 God: Okawaru [*****.] Gold 459 SH 0 Dex 9 Spells: 3 memorised, 7 levels left Res.Fire : + . . See Invis. : + - Unarmed Res.Cold : . . . Warding : + x - +0 robe Life Prot.: + + . Conserve : . (shield restricted) Res.Poison: . Res.Corr. : . (helmet restricted) Res.Elec. : . Clarity : . (no cloak) Sust.Abil.: . . Spirit.Shd : . (gloves unavailable) Res.Mut. : . Stasis : . (boots unavailable) Res.Rott. : . Ctrl.Telep.: x t - amulet of warding Gourmand : + Flight : . L - ring of see invisible E - ring "Kud Blan" {rF+ rN+ Str-3} @: somewhat resistant to hostile enchantments, very unstealthy A: unfitting armour, claws 3, fast metabolism 3, gourmand, regeneration 2, saprovore 2, tough skin 2, AC +1 a: Heroism, Finesse, Renounce Religion You are in a labyrinth. You worship Okawaru. Okawaru is extremely pleased with you. You are full. You have visited 2 branches of the dungeon, and seen 12 of its levels. You have also visited: Labyrinth and Ossuary. You have collected 479 gold pieces. You have spent 70 gold pieces at shops. Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations Branches: Dungeon (11/27) Temple (1/1) D:7 Orc (0/4) D:6 Lair: D:8-13 Altars: Ashenzari Cheibriados Elyvilon Fedhas Kikubaaqudgha Makhleb Nemelex Xobeh Okawaru Sif Muna Trog Vehumet Xom Yredelemnul Zin the Shining One Shops: D:7: * Skills: - Level 2.8 Fighting - Level 3.3 Throwing - Level 1.9 Dodging - Level 15.0 Unarmed Combat - Level 1.2 Spellcasting - Level 3.1 Translocations + Level 4.7 Invocations You have 7 spell levels left. You know the following spells: Your Spells Type Power Failure Level Hunger b - Portal Projectile Tloc ##..... 12% 2 ###.... k - Blink Tloc N/A 12% 2 ###.... q - Apportation Tloc ##........ 10% 1 ##..... Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations You are too large for most types of armour. You have claws for hands. Your metabolism is lightning-fast. You like to eat raw meat. You heal very quickly. You can eat rotten meat. You are covered in fur (AC +1). You have very tough skin (AC +2). Inventory: Hand weapons b - a +0 blowgun c - the +5,+3 sling "Stringbean" {frost, rElec} (You found it on level 9 of the Dungeon) It turns projectiles fired from it into bolts of frost. It insulates you from electricity. Missiles f - 2 darts of dispersal k - 12 sling bullets p - 3 large rocks (quivered) u - 56 stones D - 2 throwing nets O - 4 poisoned needles Armour x - a +0 robe (worn) Magical devices n - a bone wand q - a wand of hasting (3) s - a wand of confusion (5) K - a wand of polymorph other {zapped: 1} Comestibles j - 7 meat rations Scrolls d - 2 scrolls of blinking h - 3 scrolls of fear i - 3 scrolls of teleportation o - a scroll of fog Jewellery a - an uncursed ring of flight e - a garnet ring t - an amulet of warding (around neck) B - an uncursed amulet of resist mutation E - the ring "Kud Blan" (left claw) {rF+ rN+ Str-3} (You found it on level 4 of the Dungeon) [ring of strength] It affects your strength (-3). It protects you from fire. It protects you from negative energy. L - a ring of see invisible (right claw) Potions g - 4 potions of heal wounds l - a potion of agility m - 3 potions of curing Action | 1- 3 | 4- 6 | 7- 9 | 10-12 || total -------------------------+-------+-------+-------+-------++------- Melee: Unarmed | 126 | 126 | 536 | 348 || 1136 Dagger | | | 4 | || 4 Fire: Blowgun | | | 8 | || 8 Sling | | | | 2 || 2 Throw: Dart | | 10 | 24 | 36 || 70 Cast: Blink | | | | 4 || 4 Apportation | | | | 1 || 1 Invok: Heroism | | | | 3 || 3 Evoke: Wand | 1 | | 2 | 6 || 9 Use: Scroll | 5 | 3 | 16 | 6 || 30 Table legend: A = Turns spent in this place as a percentage of turns spent in the entire game. B = Non-inter-level travel turns spent in this place as a percentage of non-inter-level travel turns spent in the entire game. C = Inter-level travel turns spent in this place as a percentage of turns spent in this place. D = Turns resting spent in this place as a percentage of non-inter-level travel turns spent in this place. E = Turns spent auto-exploring this place as a percentage of non-inter-level travel turns spent in this place. F = Non-inter-level travel turns spent in this place divided by the number of levels of this place that you've seen. A B C D E F +-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+---------------------- Total | 100.0 | 100.0 | 0.7 | 1.6 | 4.7 | 322.3 Dungeon | 89.2 | 89.1 | 0.8 | 1.2 | 5.3 | 365.5 Temple | 1.1 | 1.1 | 0.0 | 0.0 | 2.1 | 48.0 Labyrinth | 0.0 | 0.0 | N/A | N/A | N/A | 0.0 Ossuary | 9.8 | 9.8 | 0.0 | 5.4 | 0.0 | 443.0 +-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+----------------------

Ultimately went with Oka in the end. I'm a Wr, so I shouldn't need fodder to get in the way of ranged attacks once I have cTele online. As if answering my needs, I find a staff of wizardy. I prefer the upfront "+5 skills" over "charge up your piety lazor and rampage in some hard place for bonus EXP early" together with "Oka likes quality over quantity in sacrifices".

A steam dragon showed up but did not drop a corpse.

Now in the Labyrinth with 7 meat rations. Time to test my maze luck.

Update: Excellent maze luck, I get 2 rods out of that as well as some jewelry. Also, a cyclops kindly donated 3 large rocks.

Update2: Komodo dragons are scary. They are being killed with poison cloud rod or invisibility. Hydra solution is cTele and evocations spam - an ice cave gave me 3 wands of frost (after my big nuke rods are spent).

Update3:

Code:: Slade the Brawler (Troll Warper) Turns: 21045, Time: 02:32:07 HP 137/137 AC 8 Str 20 XL: 15 Next: 0% MP 23/23 EV 12 Int 14 God: Okawaru [*****.] Gold 1181 SH 21 Dex 9 Spells: 6 memorised, 3 levels left Res.Fire : + . . See Invis. : . - Unarmed Res.Cold : + + . Warding : . x - -1 robe (curse) Life Prot.: + . . Conserve : + H - +2 elf shield Res.Poison: . Res.Corr. : . (helmet restricted) Res.Elec. : . Clarity : . y - +1 cloak {darkness} Sust.Abil.: . . Spirit.Shd : . (gloves unavailable) Res.Mut. : . Stasis : . (boots unavailable) Res.Rott. : . Ctrl.Telep.: . r - amulet of Ciaqabam {Cons rC++} Gourmand : + Flight : . G - +2 ring of protection E - ring "Kud Blan" {rF+ rN+ Str-3} @: somewhat resistant to hostile enchantments, unstealthy A: unfitting armour, claws 3, fast metabolism 3, gourmand, regeneration 2, saprovore 2, tough skin 2, AC +1 a: Heroism, Finesse, Renounce Religion, Evoke Invisibility You are on level 8 of the Lair of Beasts. You worship Okawaru. Okawaru is exalted by your worship. You are full. You have visited 3 branches of the dungeon, and seen 21 of its levels. You have also visited: Labyrinth, Ossuary and Ice Cave. You have collected 1201 gold pieces. You have spent 70 gold pieces at shops. Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations Branches: Dungeon (12/27) Temple (1/1) D:7 Orc (0/4) D:6 Lair (8/8) D:12 Spider (0/5) Lair:4 Slime (0/6) Lair:7 Swamp: Lair:3-6 Shoals: Lair:3-6 Snake: Lair:3-6 Altars: Ashenzari Cheibriados Elyvilon Fedhas Kikubaaqudgha Makhleb Nemelex Xobeh Okawaru Sif Muna Trog Vehumet Xom Yredelemnul Zin the Shining One Jiyva Shops: D:7: * Annotations Lair:5 exclusion: door Skills: - Level 7.7 Fighting - Level 3.3 Throwing - Level 10.0 Dodging + Level 5.6 Shields - Level 15.2 Unarmed Combat - Level 1.2 Spellcasting - Level 5.2 Charms - Level 8.0 Translocations - Level 8.4 Invocations - Level 7.2 Evocations You have 3 spell levels left. You know the following spells: Your Spells Type Power Failure Level Hunger b - Portal Projectile Tloc ####... 1% 2 ###.... g - Shroud of Golubria Chrm/Tloc ####...... 4% 2 ###.... k - Blink Tloc N/A 1% 2 ###.... q - Apportation Tloc ####...... 1% 1 ##..... t - Control Teleport Chrm/Tloc ####...... 28% 4 #####.. w - Swiftness Chrm/Air ##........ 21% 2 ###.... Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations You are too large for most types of armour. You have claws for hands. Your metabolism is lightning-fast. You like to eat raw meat. You heal very quickly. You can eat rotten meat. You are covered in fur (AC +1). You have very tough skin (AC +2). Inventory: Hand weapons b - the +5,+3 sling "Stringbean" {frost, rElec} (You found it on level 9 of the Dungeon) It turns projectiles fired from it into bolts of frost. It insulates you from electricity. c - an uncursed giant spiked club v - the broad axe of a ziggurat {chop, Str+2, god gift} (Okawaru gifted it to you on level 5 of the Lair of Beasts) It inflicts extra damage upon your enemies. It affects your strength (+2). Q - an uncursed scimitar of flaming Missiles f - 17 darts of dispersal k - 34 sling bullets u - 56 stones w - 12 poisoned needles D - a throwing net U - a large rock (quivered) Armour x - a cursed -1 robe (worn) y - a +1 cloak of darkness (worn) F - a +1 orcish large shield of protection {god gift} H - a +2 elven shield (worn) Magical devices q - a wand of hasting (5) s - a wand of confusion (5) t - a wand of slowing {zapped: 1} z - a wand of invisibility (0) P - a wand of fireball {zapped: 2} T - a wand of polymorph other Comestibles j - 7 meat rations I - 12 honeycombs K - a banana X - a bread ration Scrolls h - 4 scrolls of fear l - 6 scrolls of teleportation n - 4 scrolls of remove curse o - 3 scrolls of identify B - a scroll of magic mapping C - 2 scrolls of blinking J - 2 scrolls of enchant armour Jewellery r - the amulet of Ciaqabam (around neck) {Cons rC++} (You found it in a labyrinth) [amulet of conservation] It greatly protects you from cold. E - the ring "Kud Blan" (left claw) {rF+ rN+ Str-3} (You found it on level 4 of the Dungeon) [ring of strength] It affects your strength (-3). It protects you from fire. It protects you from negative energy. G - a +2 ring of protection (right claw) M - an uncursed ring of protection from magic Potions g - 3 potions of heal wounds i - 5 potions of agility m - 8 potions of curing L - 2 potions of resistance R - 3 potions of berserk rage V - a potion of flight W - 2 potions of might Books A - a book of Burglary Magical staves a - an uncursed staff of wizardry O - an uncursed staff of cold Miscellaneous N - a disc of storms Rods d - a +4 rod of destruction [lightning,fireball,iron] (13/13) (You found it in a labyrinth) e - a +0 rod of venom (12/12) (You found it in a labyrinth) Action | 1- 3 | 4- 6 | 7- 9 | 10-12 | 13-15 || total -------------------------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------++------- Melee: Unarmed | 126 | 126 | 536 | 800 | 828 || 2416 Dagger | | | 4 | | || 4 Giant spiked club | | | | 7 | || 7 Club | | | | 5 | || 5 Fire: Blowgun | | | 8 | | || 8 Sling | | | | 5 | 5 || 10 Throw: Dart | | 10 | 24 | 37 | || 71 Large rock | | | | 35 | 16 || 51 Throwing net | | | | | 1 || 1 Cast: Blink | | | | 8 | 12 || 20 Apportation | | | | 5 | 15 || 20 Portal Projectile | | | | 8 | 5 || 13 Shroud of Golubri | | | | 5 | 10 || 15 Control Teleport | | | | | 12 || 12 Invok: Heroism | | | | 15 | 27 || 42 Finesse | | | | 3 | 3 || 6 Evoke: Wand | 1 | | 2 | 13 | 20 || 36 Rod | | | | 8 | 49 || 57 Use: Scroll | 5 | 3 | 16 | 14 | 9 || 47 Potion | | | | 3 | 1 || 4 Table legend: A = Turns spent in this place as a percentage of turns spent in the entire game. B = Non-inter-level travel turns spent in this place as a percentage of non-inter-level travel turns spent in the entire game. C = Inter-level travel turns spent in this place as a percentage of turns spent in this place. D = Turns resting spent in this place as a percentage of non-inter-level travel turns spent in this place. E = Turns spent auto-exploring this place as a percentage of non-inter-level travel turns spent in this place. F = Non-inter-level travel turns spent in this place divided by the number of levels of this place that you've seen. A B C D E F +-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+---------------------- Total | 100.0 | 100.0 | 0.6 | 1.7 | 3.7 | 426.7 Dungeon | 47.4 | 47.2 | 0.9 | 1.7 | 4.8 | 403.2 Temple | 0.5 | 0.5 | 2.0 | 0.0 | 2.0 | 50.0 Lair | 41.4 | 41.5 | 0.5 | 1.5 | 3.3 | 530.9 Labyrinth | 2.3 | 2.3 | 0.0 | 0.0 | 0.0 | 233.0 Ossuary | 4.3 | 4.3 | 0.0 | 5.4 | 0.0 | 443.0 Ice Cave | 4.2 | 4.2 | 0.0 | 0.7 | 0.2 | 430.0 +-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+----------------------

Lair:8 is Bear-spam and worm-spam. Finesse + Hero + Might = honey-meat festival.

Oh and a dragon vault. Pity it didn't leave a corpse.

Update 4: Moment of emergency cTele out: orc high priest summons a Neqoxec right as I get into melee range. No need to risk being malmutated... though getting into Contam to do that wasn't the coolest of moments. No mutation from it though. Otherwise, the Orc:4 "badass orcs guarding the 4 shops" vault wasn't so bad. Got an rPois ring out of that, so I can eat even more meat now.

Evo is at 7 for the sake of rods. Got shields at 11 now as Oka gave me an AC large shield. Dodging is at 10 and I have swiftness online with wizardry. Time to push UC to 20. Used an EXP pot to get to 7.7 Fighting.

Friday, 15th February 2013, 06:41 by Sandman25

Psieye wrote:Dodging is at 10 and I have swiftness online with wizardry. Time to push UC to 20. Used an EXP pot to get to 7.7 Fighting.

Training Dodging from 1.9 to 10 changed your EV from 10 to 12. Wouldn't it be better to train another skill instead?

Friday, 15th February 2013, 07:32 by Psieye

That's just how the dodging skill works - you don't get anything until 10 and then you get a return beyond that. I have Heroism, this investment makes me get some EV when I Hero up. Also works with the agility potion.

Friday, 15th February 2013, 07:38 by crate

That's ... not how dodging skill works at all (not in a robe, anyway). However you should notice that Psieye also equipped a shield between the two dumps posted here, and he does not have enough shield skill to eliminate the EV penalty.

Still the dodging levels only give ~3-4 EV but that's because he's a troll with 9 dex.

Friday, 15th February 2013, 07:46 by Psieye

Hmm that's a point, on a Mi with plate it'd take 10+ to see EV go up by more than 1, but then afterwards it'd give more steady returns. Big Guy with Low Dex is still seeing a somewhat consistent return on EV as I'm levelling dodging.

And yes, shield is at "will eliminate all EV penalty when I Hero up". Will eventually train shields to 15 but for now I'm comfortable relying on Hero to 'finish it'.

Friday, 15th February 2013, 19:16 by Psieye

Code:: Slade the Brawler (Troll Warper) Turns: 34839, Time: 04:21:25 HP 154/154 AC 17 Str 23 XL: 17 Next: 65% MP 24/24 EV 12 Int 19 God: Okawaru [******] Gold 1126 SH 37 Dex 10 Spells: 6 memorised, 8 levels left Res.Fire : + . . See Invis. : + - Unarmed Res.Cold : . . . Warding : . l - +1 steam dragon armour Life Prot.: . . . Conserve : . F - +1 orc large shield {AC+3} {god gift} Res.Poison: + Res.Corr. : . i - +3 wizard hat "Crot" {rF+ Acc+2 SInv, god Res.Elec. : . Clarity : . y - +1 cloak {darkness} Sust.Abil.: + . Spirit.Shd : . (gloves unavailable) Res.Mut. : . Stasis : . (boots unavailable) Res.Rott. : . Ctrl.Telep.: . G - amulet of faith Gourmand : + Flight : . v - ring of poison resistance J - ring "Tosajud" {SustAb Dex+1 Int+5} @: somewhat resistant to hostile enchantments, unstealthy A: unfitting armour, claws 3, fast metabolism 3, gourmand, regeneration 2, saprovore 2, tough skin 2, AC +1 a: Heroism, Finesse, Renounce Religion, Evoke Invisibility You are on level 18 of the Dungeon. You worship Okawaru. Okawaru is exalted by your worship. You are completely stuffed. You have visited 5 branches of the dungeon, and seen 32 of its levels. You have also visited: Labyrinth, Ossuary, Ice Cave and Volcano. You have collected 3160 gold pieces. You have spent 2084 gold pieces at shops. Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations Branches: Dungeon (18/27) Temple (1/1) D:7 Orc (4/4) D:6 Elf (1/3) Orc:3 Lair (8/8) D:12 Spider (0/5) Lair:4 Slime (0/6) Lair:7 Swamp: Lair:3-6 Shoals: Lair:3-6 Snake: Lair:3-6 Vaults: D:15-20 Altars: Ashenzari Cheibriados Elyvilon Fedhas Kikubaaqudgha Makhleb Nemelex Xobeh Okawaru Sif Muna Trog Vehumet Xom Yredelemnul Zin the Shining One Jiyva Shops: D:7: * D:13: = Orc:4: %=*[( Annotations Lair:5 exclusion: door Skills: - Level 7.7 Fighting - Level 3.3 Throwing - Level 10.0 Dodging - Level 11.1 Shields - Level 20.2 Unarmed Combat - Level 2.5 Spellcasting - Level 5.2 Charms - Level 8.0 Translocations - Level 8.4 Invocations - Level 7.2 Evocations You have 8 spell levels left. You know the following spells: Your Spells Type Power Failure Level Hunger b - Portal Projectile Tloc #####.. 1% 2 ##..... g - Shroud of Golubria Chrm/Tloc #####..... 2% 2 ##..... k - Blink Tloc N/A 1% 2 ##..... q - Apportation Tloc #####..... 1% 1 #...... t - Control Teleport Chrm/Tloc #####..... 17% 4 #####.. w - Swiftness Chrm/Air ###....... 14% 2 ##..... Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations You are too large for most types of armour. You have claws for hands. Your metabolism is lightning-fast. You like to eat raw meat. You heal very quickly. You can eat rotten meat. You are covered in fur (AC +1). You have very tough skin (AC +2). Inventory: Hand weapons b - the +5,+3 sling "Stringbean" {frost, rElec} (You found it on level 9 of the Dungeon) It turns projectiles fired from it into bolts of frost. It insulates you from electricity. c - a +0 blowgun Missiles h - 4 javelins k - 33 sling bullets D - a throwing net L - 7 large rocks (quivered) Q - 14 darts of dispersal Armour i - the +3 wizard hat "Crot" (worn) {rF+ Acc+2 SInv, god gift} (Okawaru gifted it to you on level 14 of the Dungeon) It affects your accuracy (+2). It protects you from fire. It enhances your eyesight. l - a +1 steam dragon armour (worn) y - a +1 cloak of darkness (worn) F - a +1 orcish large shield of protection (worn) {god gift} Magical devices f - a wand of paralysis {zapped: 1} n - a wand of cold (4) q - a wand of hasting (6) s - a wand of slowing z - a wand of teleportation {zapped: 1} N - a wand of flame {zapped: 6} Z - a wand of lightning {zapped: 2} Comestibles j - 5 meat rations u - 3 rotting chunks of yak flesh Scrolls p - a scroll of magic mapping x - 2 scrolls of fog A - 2 scrolls of identify B - 4 scrolls of teleportation C - 3 scrolls of blinking H - 4 scrolls of fear Jewellery o - an uncursed ring of teleportation r - the amulet of Ciaqabam {Cons rC++} (You found it in a labyrinth) [amulet of conservation] It greatly protects you from cold. v - a ring of poison resistance (right claw) E - the ring "Kud Blan" {rF+ rN+ Str-3} (You found it on level 4 of the Dungeon) [ring of strength] It affects your strength (-3). It protects you from fire. It protects you from negative energy. G - an amulet of faith (around neck) J - the ring "Tosajud" (left claw) {SustAb Dex+1 Int+5} (You bought it in a shop on level 4 of the Orcish Mines) [ring of sustain abilities] It affects your intelligence (+5). It affects your dexterity (+1). M - an uncursed ring of protection from magic Potions g - 2 potions of heal wounds m - 3 potions of curing t - a potion of invisibility W - a potion of might Magical staves a - an uncursed staff of wizardry Rods d - a +4 rod of destruction [lightning,fireball,iron] (13/13) (You found it in a labyrinth) e - a +0 rod of venom (1/12) (You found it in a labyrinth) Action | 1- 3 | 4- 6 | 7- 9 | 10-12 | 13-15 | 16-18 || total -------------------------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------++------- Melee: Unarmed | 126 | 126 | 536 | 800 | 1721 | 1035 || 4344 Dagger | | | 4 | | | || 4 Giant spiked club | | | | 7 | | || 7 Club | | | | 5 | | || 5 Demon whip | | | | | | 1 || 1 Fire: Blowgun | | | 8 | | | || 8 Sling | | | | 5 | 11 | || 16 Throw: Dart | | 10 | 24 | 37 | 3 | || 74 Large rock | | | | 35 | 21 | 101 || 157 Throwing net | | | | | 1 | || 1 Javelin | | | | | 7 | 26 || 33 Cast: Blink | | | | 8 | 27 | 18 || 53 Apportation | | | | 5 | 30 | 7 || 42 Portal Projectile | | | | 8 | 11 | 88 || 107 Shroud of Golubri | | | | 5 | 12 | || 17 Control Teleport | | | | | 22 | 4 || 26 Swiftness | | | | | 1 | 1 || 2 Invok: Heroism | | | | 15 | 47 | 16 || 78 Finesse | | | | 3 | 5 | 2 || 10 Evoke: Wand | 1 | | 2 | 13 | 29 | 6 || 51 Rod | | | | 8 | 87 | 30 || 125 Use: Scroll | 5 | 3 | 16 | 14 | 11 | 2 || 51 Potion | | | | 3 | 1 | 2 || 6 Table legend: A = Turns spent in this place as a percentage of turns spent in the entire game. B = Non-inter-level travel turns spent in this place as a percentage of non-inter-level travel turns spent in the entire game. C = Inter-level travel turns spent in this place as a percentage of turns spent in this place. D = Turns resting spent in this place as a percentage of non-inter-level travel turns spent in this place. E = Turns spent auto-exploring this place as a percentage of non-inter-level travel turns spent in this place. F = Non-inter-level travel turns spent in this place divided by the number of levels of this place that you've seen. A B C D E F +-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+---------------------- Total | 100.0 | 100.0 | 0.8 | 1.4 | 3.3 | 483.1 Dungeon | 52.2 | 52.1 | 0.9 | 1.4 | 4.1 | 502.9 Temple | 0.3 | 0.3 | 2.0 | 0.0 | 2.0 | 50.0 Orcish Mines | 9.6 | 9.6 | 0.8 | 0.6 | 2.6 | 417.5 Elven Halls | 1.5 | 1.5 | 0.4 | 1.6 | 3.1 | 255.0 Lair | 28.8 | 28.9 | 0.6 | 1.6 | 2.8 | 627.5 Labyrinth | 1.3 | 1.3 | 0.0 | 0.0 | 0.0 | 233.0 Ossuary | 2.5 | 2.5 | 0.0 | 5.4 | 0.0 | 443.0 Ice Cave | 2.5 | 2.5 | 0.0 | 0.7 | 0.2 | 430.0 Volcano | 1.4 | 1.4 | 0.0 | 0.0 | 1.3 | 238.0 +-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+----------------------

None of the dragons I killed ever left a corpse. Instead, I just FOUND this steam dragon armour in a minivault. I want FDA or MDA before I put scrolls into it though. It IS a good reason to start training Armour though.

UC 20 (+5 Hero) - Troll punch is awesome.

Super Smite (aka Portal Large Rock) is excellent for sniping off Bad News, e.g. Ogre Mage with potential banish. Having said that, rod of venom (poison cloud) is better at this job where applicable. Now that cyclops are a regular thing, I'm getting a surplus of large rocks and it's very hard to mulch these things. I gotta throw more!

Friday, 15th February 2013, 19:30 by battaile

I wouldn't completely discount dumping the scrolls into Steam, it does make casting super nice especially once you get Haste etc and also for you the UC benefits. I used one on this guy all the way through Slime Pits (found an unrand that I liked marginally better in the Slime 6 trove) even though when I first picked it up I was thinking the same as you, that I'd just use it as a placeholder until FDA etc. Maybe less feasible with troll's size penalty to EV though , I guess.

Good luck w this guy, portal projectiled Big Rocks sound like they'd be pretty badass.

Friday, 15th February 2013, 20:53 by Psieye

Code:: Slade the Brawler (Troll Warper) Turns: 42187, Time: 05:19:48 HP 140/171 AC 19 Str 24 XL: 19 Next: 64% MP 25/25 EV 12 Int 20 God: Okawaru [******] Gold 1226 SH 38 Dex 10 Spells: 6 memorised, 10 levels left Res.Fire : + . . See Invis. : + - Unarmed Res.Cold : + . . Warding : . l - +1 steam dragon armour Life Prot.: . . . Conserve : + F - +1 orc large shield {AC+3} {god gift} Res.Poison: . Res.Corr. : + i - +3 wizard hat "Crot" {rF+ Acc+2 SInv, god Res.Elec. : . Clarity : . w - +1 cloak {rCorr, Cons} {god gift} Sust.Abil.: + . Spirit.Shd : . (gloves unavailable) Res.Mut. : . Stasis : . (boots unavailable) Res.Rott. : . Ctrl.Telep.: . G - amulet of faith Gourmand : + Flight : . u - ring of protection from cold J - ring "Tosajud" {SustAb Dex+1 Int+5} @: somewhat resistant to hostile enchantments, unstealthy A: unfitting armour, claws 3, fast metabolism 3, gourmand, regeneration 2, saprovore 2, tough skin 2, AC +1 a: Heroism, Finesse, Renounce Religion You are on level 3 of the Vaults. You worship Okawaru. Okawaru is exalted by your worship. You are very full.

Code:: Skills: - Level 7.7 Fighting - Level 3.3 Throwing - Level 10.5 Armour - Level 10.0 Dodging - Level 11.1 Shields - Level 4.0 Traps - Level 20.2 Unarmed Combat - Level 2.5 Spellcasting - Level 6.1 Charms + Level 9.4 Translocations - Level 8.4 Invocations - Level 7.2 Evocations

It occurs to me that I'm wading deep into Vaults when I haven't even touched Spider or Shoals.

Thank you Frederick, for wandering into a narrow corridor where Poison Cloud has maximum effect. You were at half HP by the time I saw you again outside and I had hasted Super Smites raining down on you. He did make me use a Tele scroll to escape him the first time, so he did achieve something I guess.

After around 5 dragon corpses, I finally have a (+4) FDA. Can't wear it right now as I still want cTele online (45% fail chance with wiz staff). Hmm, now would be a good point to go hit Lair sub-branches for some EXP. cTele not so essential for those places.

Update: Scratch that, just did Crypt. Well, Crypt:1~3 then dived down to Crypt:5, read mapping and apport-ninja'd the loot out of the "2 ancient liches are itching to escape their cage if you walk towards the loot" ending. I now have a rod of the swarm. Not useful until after I abandon Okawaru.

Much more importantly, I got a ring of sustenance at Crypt:1. Also, Oka gave me a neat stat-stick: rC++ rF+ for when I'm positioning myself or Super Smiting.

cTele online with +5 FDA, now to pump some Charms so Swiftness is too. That and it's prepartion for Haste/RMsl anyway. Oh and I learnt Confusing Touch, not sure if I'll have EXP budget to get Hexes for that.

Update 2: OMG, I blew up an orb spider by throwing a big rock at its orb of destruction. It had just fired so the ensuing radius 1 explosion hit the spider.

In other news, just cleared all of Spider. My Charms has gone up 3 levels for that.

Saturday, 16th February 2013, 10:34 by Psieye

Code:: Slade the Brawler (Troll Warper) Turns: 64527, Time: 07:58:18 HP 225/225 (226) AC 30 Str 27 XL: 23 Next: 33% MP 28/28 EV 9 Int 16 God: Okawaru [*****.] Gold 2528 SH 43 Dex 9 Spells: 7 memorised, 13 levels left Res.Fire : + + + See Invis. : + - Unarmed Res.Cold : . . . Warding : . j - +7 fire dragon armour Life Prot.: . . . Conserve : + F - +1 orc large shield {AC+3} {god gift} Res.Poison: . Res.Corr. : + i - +3 wizard hat "Crot" {rF+ Acc+2 SInv, god Res.Elec. : . Clarity : . w - +1 cloak {rCorr, Cons} {god gift} Sust.Abil.: . . Spirit.Shd : . (gloves unavailable) Res.Mut. : . Stasis : . (boots unavailable) Res.Rott. : . Ctrl.Telep.: . G - amulet of faith Gourmand : + Flight : . l - ring of sustenance u - ring of protection from cold @: quite resistant to hostile enchantments, extremely unstealthy A: unfitting armour, claws 3, fast metabolism 3, gourmand, regeneration 2, saprovore 2, tough skin 2, AC +1, Str +2 a: Heroism, Finesse, Renounce Religion }: 1/15 runes: gossamer You are in the Vestibule of Hell. You worship Okawaru. Okawaru is exalted by your worship. You are full. You have visited 10 branches of the dungeon, and seen 55 of its levels. You have also visited: Labyrinth, Ossuary, Ice Cave and Volcano. You have collected 4902 gold pieces. You have spent 2424 gold pieces at shops. Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations Branches: Dungeon (22/27) Temple (1/1) D:7 Orc (4/4) D:6 Elf (1/3) Orc:3 Lair (8/8) D:12 Shoals (4/5) Lair:5 Spider (5/5) Lair:4 Slime (0/6) Lair:7 Vaults (4/5) D:19 Blade (0/1) Vaults:4 Crypt (5/5) Vaults:3 Tomb (0/3) Crypt:3 Dis (0/7) Hell Geh (0/7) Hell Tar (0/7) Hell Coc: Hell:1 Altars: Ashenzari Cheibriados Elyvilon Fedhas Kikubaaqudgha Makhleb Nemelex Xobeh Okawaru Sif Muna Trog Vehumet Xom Yredelemnul Zin the Shining One Jiyva Shops: D:7: * D:13: = D:21: ![ Orc:4: %=*[( Vaults:2: ? Vaults:4: * Portals: Hell: D:21 Abyss: D:21 Pandemonium: D:21 Annotations Shoals:4 Nikola Vaults:4 exclusion: door Skills: + Level 13.4 Fighting - Level 3.3 Throwing - Level 10.5 Armour - Level 10.0 Dodging - Level 15.0 Shields - Level 4.0 Traps - Level 20.2 Unarmed Combat - Level 2.5 Spellcasting - Level 9.3 Charms - Level 12.2 Translocations - Level 8.4 Invocations - Level 7.2 Evocations You have 13 spell levels left. You know the following spells: Your Spells Type Power Failure Level Hunger a - Confusing Touch Hex #......... 75% 1 #...... b - Portal Projectile Tloc ######. 1% 2 ##..... g - Shroud of Golubria Chrm/Tloc ######.... 1% 2 ##..... k - Blink Tloc N/A 1% 2 ##..... q - Apportation Tloc ######.... 1% 1 #...... t - Control Teleport Chrm/Tloc ######.... 12% 4 #####.. w - Swiftness Chrm/Air ####...... 17% 2 ##..... Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations You are too large for most types of armour. You have claws for hands. Your metabolism is lightning-fast. You like to eat raw meat. You heal very quickly. You can eat rotten meat. You are covered in fur (AC +1). You have very tough skin (AC +2). Your muscles are strong (Str +2). Inventory: Hand weapons b - the +5,+3 sling "Stringbean" {frost, rElec} (You found it on level 9 of the Dungeon) It turns projectiles fired from it into bolts of frost. It insulates you from electricity. c - the +11,+2 short sword of Prescription {elec, rF+ rC++ Str+1, god gift} (Okawaru gifted it to you on level 3 of the Vaults) Occasionally, upon striking a foe, it will discharge some electrical energy and cause terrible harm. It affects your strength (+1). It protects you from fire. It greatly protects you from cold. Missiles h - a throwing net [torn] D - 4 throwing nets K - 10 javelins L - 6 large rocks (quivered) Armour i - the +3 wizard hat "Crot" (worn) {rF+ Acc+2 SInv, god gift} (Okawaru gifted it to you on level 14 of the Dungeon) It affects your accuracy (+2). It protects you from fire. It enhances your eyesight. j - a +7 fire dragon armour (worn) w - a +1 cloak of preservation (worn) {god gift} x - the +4 robe of the Fifty Lives {Dex+2} (You found it on level 1 of the Vaults) It affects your dexterity (+2). F - a +1 orcish large shield of protection (worn) {god gift} Magical devices n - a wand of cold (5) y - a wand of flame S - a wand of disintegration (14) V - a wand of heal wounds (4) X - a wand of flame (18) Comestibles t - a slice of pizza E - a bread ration I - 5 meat rations Scrolls k - 3 scrolls of teleportation A - 4 scrolls of fog C - 3 scrolls of blinking H - 4 scrolls of fear Jewellery l - a ring of sustenance (right claw) o - an uncursed ring of teleportation q - an uncursed ring of sustenance s - an uncursed ring of life protection u - a ring of protection from cold (left claw) v - an uncursed ring of poison resistance B - a +0,+5 ring of slaying G - an amulet of faith (around neck) J - the ring "Tosajud" {SustAb Dex+1 Int+5} (You bought it in a shop on level 4 of the Orcish Mines) [ring of sustain abilities] It affects your intelligence (+5). It affects your dexterity (+1). N - an uncursed ring of flight P - an uncursed ring of ice Q - the ring of Vitality {Regen HP+15} (You found it on level 2 of the Vaults) [ring of regeneration] It affects your health (+15). Potions g - 4 potions of heal wounds m - 4 potions of curing p - 2 potions of flight r - a potion of speed Magical staves a - an uncursed staff of wizardry Rods d - a +4 rod of destruction [lightning,fireball,iron] (13/13) (You found it in a labyrinth) e - a +0 rod of venom (12/12) (You found it in a labyrinth) Action | 1- 3 | 4- 6 | 7- 9 | 10-12 | 13-15 | 16-18 | 19-21 | 22-24 || total -------------------------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------++------- Melee: Unarmed | 126 | 126 | 536 | 800 | 1721 | 1793 | 2561 | 957 || 8620 Dagger | | | 4 | | | | | || 4 Giant spiked club | | | | 7 | | | | || 7 Club | | | | 5 | | | 1 | 3 || 9 Demon whip | | | | | | 1 | | || 1 Fire: Blowgun | | | 8 | | | | | || 8 Sling | | | | 5 | 11 | | | || 16 Throw: Dart | | 10 | 24 | 37 | 3 | | | || 74 Large rock | | | | 35 | 21 | 195 | 160 | 57 || 468 Throwing net | | | | | 1 | | | 1 || 2 Javelin | | | | | 7 | 32 | 5 | 19 || 63 Cast: Blink | | | | 8 | 27 | 31 | 43 | 13 || 122 Apportation | | | | 5 | 30 | 15 | 58 | 6 || 114 Portal Projectile | | | | 8 | 11 | 164 | 135 | 68 || 386 Shroud of Golubri | | | | 5 | 12 | | 3 | 2 || 22 Control Teleport | | | | | 22 | 9 | 11 | 6 || 48 Swiftness | | | | | 1 | 1 | 7 | 2 || 11 Invok: Heroism | | | | 15 | 47 | 22 | 21 | 6 || 111 Finesse | | | | 3 | 5 | 6 | 8 | 2 || 24 Abil: Evoke Flight | | | | | | | 1 | || 1 Evoke: Wand | 1 | | 2 | 13 | 29 | 6 | 11 | 1 || 63 Rod | | | | 8 | 87 | 50 | 30 | 20 || 195 Miscellaneous | | | | | | | | 2 || 2 Use: Scroll | 5 | 3 | 16 | 14 | 11 | 5 | 26 | 2 || 82 Potion | | | | 3 | 1 | 4 | 11 | 7 || 26 Table legend: A = Turns spent in this place as a percentage of turns spent in the entire game. B = Non-inter-level travel turns spent in this place as a percentage of non-inter-level travel turns spent in the entire game. C = Inter-level travel turns spent in this place as a percentage of turns spent in this place. D = Turns resting spent in this place as a percentage of non-inter-level travel turns spent in this place. E = Turns spent auto-exploring this place as a percentage of non-inter-level travel turns spent in this place. F = Non-inter-level travel turns spent in this place divided by the number of levels of this place that you've seen. A B C D E F +-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+---------------------- Total | 100.0 | 100.0 | 0.8 | 1.2 | 3.4 | 529.7 Dungeon | 38.5 | 38.5 | 1.0 | 1.3 | 3.7 | 546.2 Temple | 0.2 | 0.2 | 2.0 | 0.0 | 2.0 | 50.0 Orcish Mines | 5.3 | 5.3 | 0.8 | 0.6 | 2.6 | 417.5 Elven Halls | 0.8 | 0.8 | 0.4 | 1.6 | 3.1 | 255.0 Lair | 16.8 | 16.8 | 0.9 | 1.6 | 2.7 | 656.5 Shoals | 3.7 | 3.7 | 0.8 | 0.0 | 5.8 | 286.8 Spider Nest | 6.2 | 6.2 | 1.0 | 0.2 | 5.8 | 387.8 Vaults | 14.6 | 14.6 | 0.6 | 1.5 | 2.7 | 1143.5 Crypt | 7.1 | 7.1 | 0.9 | 0.6 | 5.2 | 443.6 Hell | 2.5 | 2.5 | 0.0 | 0.9 | 0.0 | 785.0 Labyrinth | 0.7 | 0.7 | 0.0 | 0.0 | 0.0 | 233.0 Ossuary | 1.4 | 1.4 | 0.0 | 5.4 | 0.0 | 443.0 Ice Cave | 1.4 | 1.4 | 0.0 | 0.7 | 0.2 | 430.0 Volcano | 0.8 | 0.8 | 0.0 | 0.0 | 1.3 | 238.0 +-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+----------------------

Shoals:4 had Nikola. I didn't want to bother with him just yet so I ditched him. No rush.

I went back to Crypt:5 to punch those ancient liches. The first one went down fine, but the other one's spellset was more troublesome (Bolt of Cold). I ditched it.

Boris warranted drinking a Resistance potion so his bolt of cold wouldn't hurt me much.

Did my usual thing of invading Vestibule as soon as I clear D:21. My initial berserk charge was stopped short by a scythe of distortion dumping me in some remote corner. On my rematch with Geryon I noted that Hell Beasts can't swim, but I wasn't in a good enough position to make use of that fact. cTele blinked out and rested up. On round 3, nothing interrupted me and Geryon failed to summon beasts fast enough. As for that distortion reaper, he failed to cut his way out of a portal'd throwing net in time - fear the mighty throwing net!

Anyway, time to move my stash from D:18 to Vestibule and then farm Dis so as to not waste all the living meat left in D:21~Zot:4. Or maybe I should farm Cocytus after taking off this Faith amulet and putting on my rC++ amulet... I wish I had an enchant armour scroll handy to make an IDA after I inevitably get a hide from Cocytus.

... Oka just gifted me an evening star of AC. Wrong character Oka, wrong character.

Update: Ok, Torment is a bigger problem for big guys who are meant to use their HP as one of their defences. Gave up on Dis because Hellion + Torment is bad news (I need to be punching shit as soon as it shows up, not spending a turn or two buffing up first). Cocytus is more hospitable though I'm wearing an rC robe instead of FDA here. An evil minivault spawned: the fire/ice demon one. It meant I was facing hellions, balrugs and a brimstone fiend in Cocytus. NOT AS PLANNED.

Finally learnt Teleport Other just to get rid of mummies while I'm with Oka - they'll die to the rod of swarms once i switch gods.

Saturday, 16th February 2013, 10:57 by Magipi

So you're planning an extended game? And what about troll hunger? Necromutation or something else?

Saturday, 16th February 2013, 11:26 by Psieye

You may have picked up from my MiPr and previous CIPs that I don't even consider dipping into Hell to be "doing an extended game". While I do have 2 sustenance rings now, they are for travelling long distances, not for clearing Hell levels. This means yes, I do go hungry fast. But D:22+ has a lot of living meat anyway so whenever I'm hungry I pop back out, stuff my stomach then go back down again. I'm more concerned about my piety given all the Finesse spam ("A Fiend comes into view!") going on but I don't plan to stick with Oka long-term anyway. I don't need any gifts anymore either, I have my armour.

Hmm I should do Elf actually.

Update: And that's Elf done. Yes I got sent to the Abyss once. No problem, I'm a troll so I recover fast from the Zyme threat. I wonder when's a good time to switch to Jiyva. Once I run out of Oka piety in Cocytus I guess.

Update 2:

Eh screw it, gonna just finish D and Zot:1~4 then convert. Oh and got the Abyss rune (and teleportitis 1) while trying to burn off Oka favour. I either need an enchant armour scroll or an excuse to take off this Faith amulet and I can go back to farming Cocytus.

Saturday, 16th February 2013, 14:12 by Psieye

Code:: Slade the Brawler (Troll Warper) Turns: 87395, Time: 10:32:01 HP 236/272 (274) AC 35 Str 27 XL: 26 Next: 35% MP 23/23 EV 13 Int 22 God: Okawaru [****..] Gold 5043 SH 48 Dex 11 Spells: 9 memorised, 16 levels left Res.Fire : + + + See Invis. : + - Unarmed Res.Cold : . . . Warding : . H - +7 fire dragon armour Life Prot.: . . . Conserve : + F - +1 orc large shield {AC+3} {god gift} Res.Poison: . Res.Corr. : + i - +3 wizard hat "Crot" {rF+ Acc+2 SInv, god Res.Elec. : . Clarity : . y - +2 cloak {rCorr, Cons} Sust.Abil.: + . Spirit.Shd : . (gloves unavailable) Res.Mut. : . Rnd.Telep. : + (boots unavailable) Res.Rott. : . Ctrl.Telep.: . G - amulet of faith Gourmand : + Flight : . J - ring "Tosajud" {SustAb Dex+1 Int+5} u - ring of protection from cold @: mildly poisoned, heroism, quite resistant to hostile enchantments, very unstealthy A: unfitting armour, claws 3, fast metabolism 3, gourmand, -20% mp, regeneration 2, saprovore 2, teleportitis 1, tough skin 2, AC +1, Str +1, Dex +1 a: Heroism, Renounce Religion }: 2/15 runes: abyssal, gossamer You are in the Vestibule of Hell. You worship Okawaru. Okawaru is extremely pleased with you. You are not hungry. You have visited 13 branches of the dungeon, and seen 72 of its levels. You have visited the Abyss 4 times. You have also visited: Labyrinth, Ossuary, Ice Cave and Volcano. You have collected 7417 gold pieces. You have spent 2424 gold pieces at shops. Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations Branches: Dungeon (25/27) Temple (1/1) D:7 Orc (4/4) D:6 Elf (3/3) Orc:3 Lair (8/8) D:12 Shoals (4/5) Lair:5 Spider (5/5) Lair:4 Slime (0/6) Lair:7 Vaults (4/5) D:19 Blade (0/1) Vaults:4 Crypt (5/5) Vaults:3 Tomb (0/3) Crypt:3 Dis (2/7) Hell Geh (0/7) Hell Coc (7/7) Hell Tar (3/7) Hell Altars: Ashenzari Cheibriados Elyvilon Fedhas Kikubaaqudgha Makhleb Nemelex Xobeh Okawaru Sif Muna Trog Vehumet Xom Yredelemnul Zin the Shining One Jiyva Shops: D:7: * D:13: = D:21: ![ D:25: *+ Orc:4: %=*[( Vaults:2: ? Vaults:4: * Portals: Hell: D:21 D:22 D:23 D:24 D:25 Abyss: D:21 D:25 Pandemonium: D:21 D:23 D:24 Ziggurat: D:25 (3520 gp) Annotations Shoals:4 Nikola Vaults:4 exclusion: door Skills: - Level 18.0(23.0) Fighting - Level 3.3(8.3) Throwing - Level 16.9(21.9) Armour - Level 10.0(15.0) Dodging - Level 15.0(20.0) Shields - Level 4.0(9.0) Traps - Level 20.2(25.2) Unarmed Combat - Level 5.0 Spellcasting + Level 13.8 Charms - Level 12.2 Translocations - Level 8.4 Invocations - Level 7.2 Evocations You have 16 spell levels left. You know the following spells: Your Spells Type Power Failure Level Hunger a - Teleport Other Tloc #######.. 1% 3 ##..... b - Portal Projectile Tloc ####### 1% 2 None c - Confusing Touch Hex ##........ 21% 1 None g - Shroud of Golubria Chrm/Tloc #######... 1% 2 None k - Blink Tloc N/A 1% 2 None q - Apportation Tloc #######... 1% 1 None r - Repel Missiles Chrm/Air ######.... 1% 2 None t - Control Teleport Chrm/Tloc #######... 1% 4 ####... w - Swiftness Chrm/Air ######.... 1% 2 None Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations You are too large for most types of armour. You have claws for hands. Your metabolism is lightning-fast. You like to eat raw meat. You heal very quickly. You can eat rotten meat. You are covered in fur (AC +1). You have very tough skin (AC +2). You are agile (Dex +1). Your magical capacity is very low (-20% MP). Your muscles are strong (Str +1). Space occasionally distorts in your vicinity. Inventory: Hand weapons b - the +5,+3 sling "Stringbean" {frost, rElec} (You found it on level 9 of the Dungeon) It turns projectiles fired from it into bolts of frost. It insulates you from electricity. c - an uncursed demon whip of electrocution Missiles p - 6 large rocks (quivered) D - 4 throwing nets Armour i - the +3 wizard hat "Crot" (worn) {rF+ Acc+2 SInv, god gift} (Okawaru gifted it to you on level 14 of the Dungeon) It affects your accuracy (+2). It protects you from fire. It enhances your eyesight. y - a +2 cloak of preservation (worn) F - a +1 orcish large shield of protection (worn) {god gift} H - a +7 fire dragon armour (worn) Magical devices n - a wand of cold (4) q - a wand of hasting (5) r - a wand of digging (17) s - a wand of fireball (4) x - a wand of disintegration Comestibles I - 6 meat rations Scrolls k - 5 scrolls of teleportation m - 4 scrolls of fear C - 5 scrolls of blinking Jewellery h - an uncursed ring of sustenance l - an uncursed ring of sustenance o - an uncursed ring of teleportation u - a ring of protection from cold (left claw) v - an uncursed ring of poison resistance B - a +0,+5 ring of slaying G - an amulet of faith (around neck) J - the ring "Tosajud" (right claw) {SustAb Dex+1 Int+5} (You bought it in a shop on level 4 of the Orcish Mines) [ring of sustain abilities] It affects your intelligence (+5). It affects your dexterity (+1). Q - the ring of Vitality {Regen HP+15} (You found it on level 2 of the Vaults) [ring of regeneration] It affects your health (+15). Potions f - a potion of restore abilities j - 3 potions of heal wounds V - a potion of curing Magical staves a - an uncursed staff of wizardry Rods d - a +4 rod of destruction [lightning,fireball,iron] (13/13) (You found it in a labyrinth) e - a +0 rod of venom (12/12) (You found it in a labyrinth) g - a +0 rod of destruction [lightning,fireball,iron] (14/14) (You took it off a crimson imp on level 1 of Cocytus) Action | 1- 3 | 4- 6 | 7- 9 | 10-12 | 13-15 | 16-18 | 19-21 | 22-24 | 25-27 || total -------------------------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------++------- Melee: Unarmed | 126 | 126 | 536 | 800 | 1721 | 1793 | 2561 | 2881 | 2410 || 12954 Dagger | | | 4 | | | | | | || 4 Giant spiked club | | | | 7 | | | | | || 7 Club | | | | 5 | | | 1 | 3 | || 9 Demon whip | | | | | | 1 | | | || 1 Fire: Blowgun | | | 8 | | | | | | || 8 Sling | | | | 5 | 11 | | | | || 16 Crossbow | | | | | | | | 2 | || 2 Throw: Dart | | 10 | 24 | 37 | 3 | | | | || 74 Large rock | | | | 35 | 21 | 195 | 160 | 124 | 39 || 574 Throwing net | | | | | 1 | | | 1 | 5 || 7 Javelin | | | | | 7 | 32 | 5 | 22 | || 66 Cast: Blink | | | | 8 | 27 | 31 | 43 | 37 | 25 || 171 Apportation | | | | 5 | 30 | 15 | 58 | 42 | 25 || 175 Portal Projectile | | | | 8 | 11 | 164 | 135 | 135 | 19 || 472 Shroud of Golubri | | | | 5 | 12 | | 3 | 2 | || 22 Control Teleport | | | | | 22 | 9 | 11 | 7 | 5 || 54 Swiftness | | | | | 1 | 1 | 7 | 4 | || 13 Teleport Other | | | | | | | | 3 | 11 || 14 Repel Missiles | | | | | | | | | 1 || 1 Invok: Heroism | | | | 15 | 47 | 22 | 21 | 26 | 32 || 163 Finesse | | | | 3 | 5 | 6 | 8 | 8 | 15 || 45 Abil: Evoke Flight | | | | | | | 1 | | || 1 Evoke: Wand | 1 | | 2 | 13 | 29 | 6 | 11 | 7 | 2 || 71 Rod | | | | 8 | 87 | 50 | 30 | 38 | 15 || 228 Miscellaneous | | | | | | | | 2 | || 2 Use: Scroll | 5 | 3 | 16 | 14 | 11 | 5 | 26 | 10 | 3 || 93 Potion | | | | 3 | 1 | 4 | 11 | 9 | 7 || 35 Table legend: A = Turns spent in this place as a percentage of turns spent in the entire game. B = Non-inter-level travel turns spent in this place as a percentage of non-inter-level travel turns spent in the entire game. C = Inter-level travel turns spent in this place as a percentage of turns spent in this place. D = Turns resting spent in this place as a percentage of non-inter-level travel turns spent in this place. E = Turns spent auto-exploring this place as a percentage of non-inter-level travel turns spent in this place. F = Non-inter-level travel turns spent in this place divided by the number of levels of this place that you've seen. A B C D E F +-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+---------------------- Total | 100.0 | 100.0 | 0.9 | 1.2 | 3.4 | 518.0 Dungeon | 35.2 | 35.1 | 1.0 | 1.3 | 3.9 | 603.9 Temple | 0.1 | 0.1 | 2.0 | 0.0 | 2.0 | 50.0 Orcish Mines | 4.0 | 4.0 | 0.8 | 0.6 | 2.5 | 428.2 Elven Halls | 5.3 | 5.3 | 1.0 | 2.5 | 2.6 | 756.3 Lair | 12.3 | 12.3 | 1.0 | 1.6 | 2.7 | 658.5 Shoals | 2.7 | 2.7 | 0.8 | 0.0 | 5.8 | 286.8 Spider Nest | 4.5 | 4.5 | 1.0 | 0.2 | 5.8 | 387.8 Vaults | 10.6 | 10.6 | 0.6 | 1.5 | 2.7 | 1143.8 Crypt | 5.2 | 5.2 | 0.9 | 0.6 | 5.2 | 443.6 Hell | 4.3 | 4.3 | 0.6 | 2.4 | 0.0 | 1839.0 Dis | 0.4 | 0.4 | 0.0 | 0.0 | 1.9 | 80.5 Cocytus | 6.2 | 6.1 | 1.2 | 0.0 | 2.7 | 377.3 Tartarus | 2.1 | 2.1 | 1.0 | 0.0 | 6.3 | 301.0 Abyss | 4.2 | 4.3 | 0.0 | 1.9 | 4.3 | 261.3 Labyrinth | 0.5 | 0.5 | 0.0 | 0.0 | 0.0 | 233.0 Ossuary | 1.0 | 1.0 | 0.0 | 5.4 | 0.0 | 443.0 Ice Cave | 1.0 | 1.0 | 0.0 | 0.7 | 0.2 | 430.0 Volcano | 0.5 | 0.6 | 0.0 | 0.0 | 1.3 | 238.0 +-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+----------------------

Oka gave me a Storm Dragon Armour. This is his last gift because I just dropped down to 4* so I'm going to ditch him (after farming what I can in Slime).

I teleportitis'd into Mara. It's sad how Mara never got to do anything except melee (oh and a couple useless blinks).

Found myself at Coc:7 while trying to burn through Finesse. Went to Tartarus to continue the training from hell. Have enough Charms to go buy a book and learn Haste.

Right, time to do some stash cleaning so as to minimise losses to Jiyva worship. Oh, I should do something about the V:5 party first.

Update:

Brought 200 arrows and fed them to the starter-jelly when taking up Jiyva. Got up to 5*, hmm I should have brought a hundred more arrows to get to 6* and thus, the Slime vault.

Oka wrath ambush parties obey the same rules as Hell reinforcements: you get 1 free turn. This is important, as it lets you choose the location of your fight carefully.

Saturday, 16th February 2013, 16:37 by Psieye

V:5 party went like this:
- Cast Haste and cTele beforehand
- Descend stairs
- Read Tele, Magic Mapping, Torment in that order
- Teleport somewhat nearby and start spewing poison cloud rod, using a recharge scroll for twice the fun
- Cast regen (on top of the Ring of Vitality already worn)
- Take this screenshot:

Every turn I heal 1 HP.

Code:: Skills: - Level 18.0 Fighting - Level 3.3 Throwing - Level 16.9 Armour - Level 10.8 Dodging - Level 15.0 Shields - Level 4.0 Traps + Level 23.6 Unarmed Combat - Level 5.0 Spellcasting - Level 14.7 Charms - Level 12.2 Translocations - Level 8.4 Invocations - Level 7.2 Evocations Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations You are too large for most types of armour. You have claws for hands. Your metabolism is lightning-fast. You like to eat raw meat. You heal very quickly. You can eat rotten meat. You are covered in fur (AC +1). You have very tough skin (AC +2). You have very sharp teeth. You are partially covered in slimy green scales (AC +2). Your skin changes colour to match your surroundings (Stlth). You can translocate small distances at will. You are clumsy (Dex -1). Your system is resistant to poisons. Your muscles are strong, but stiff (Str +1, Dex -1). You are weak (Str -1). Armour fits poorly on your pseudopods.

After the vault guards are down: request a jelly, have it pay back the HP/food I used in that operation.

Shadow dragons show up. I punch them into acid blobs. They're now tanking the reinforcements from the quadrants.

Oh and my Str/Int/Dex is now 19/14/20. It constantly fluctuates.

Saturday, 16th February 2013, 17:08 by Psieye

MY BRAIN! I HEAL 100 HP PER TURN!

Procedure:
- Pull targets so they'll round the corner in some 5 turns. In this case, I used Wand of Disintegration to open the door to Antaeus' throne room from far away.
- Drop 100+ stack of bolts/arrows.
- Request jelly.
- Go fight while jelly takes several turns to munch through the stack.
- Laugh at how torment has become meaningless.

Saturday, 16th February 2013, 17:17 by byrel

*Blinks* I never thought of toting around Jelly consumables! Impressive...

Saturday, 16th February 2013, 18:14 by Jeremiah

Huh - maybe you've solved the mystery of why Okawaru gives all those 'useless' ammo gifts; Jiyva is his friend/pet, and they're intended for feeding to the jellies later in the game.

Saturday, 16th February 2013, 18:26 by Psieye

I just killed Ereshkigal after a long fist fight while there were 3 tormentors in sight and I had a bad position (5 dudes were hitting me at once). Nothing mattered, her 20+ demons all ignored the death ooze (formerly a mummy) that was munching away at 200 arrows. I still had 100 arrows left after I teleported out of there. Mind, all the non-artefact loot behind Ereshkigal's throne was all eaten by the time I got there, but I'm beyond the point I need loot anyway.

Yeah if I'd known how awesome Jiyva heals are, I'd have gotten Throwing to 8 in this game and collected the hundreds of darts I'd be showered with.

Since food has become meaningless, I should really just finish D and Zot. Not feeling like doing all of extended, though I might TANG every greater mummy in Tomb:3 for the sake of it... Nah......

Update:

That's Zot done. As usual, being swarmed in open space on Zot does bad, bad things to you even if you could bulldoze through such situations in D. Moment of WAT when I healed 200 HP in one turn on the exact turn I was worried enough to drink a heal wounds pot. Yes, there was a jelly on my bolts, it just took its sweet time getting there.

Lack of rElec was a nuisance in Zot - sure I had resistance potions for elec golems but there's plenty other elec sources there. Much as fly helps mitigate, it still hurts.

Saturday, 16th February 2013, 20:57 by Psieye

Hmm, further observation: this feels like a bug. I put down a 300+ arrow/bolt stack and I get healed 300 HP on one slurp. The game sees big stack and goes 'you get big heal' but it doesn't remove the stack all at once - it can only remove a handful each time. Thus the stack is still mostly intact for the next turn when it goes 'you prepared a big stack again, big heal'.

Saturday, 16th February 2013, 21:09 by dpeg

Psieye: Interesting character, cool presentation.

Will you file the potential bug on Mantis? Thanks!

Saturday, 16th February 2013, 21:27 by Jeremiah

I've never played a Jiyva worshipper, but is this potentially too easy to exploit? Maybe the amount of healing should be relative to the weight or value of the items so you can't just get huge amounts of healing from stacks of common junk.

Saturday, 16th February 2013, 21:47 by Psieye

dpeg wrote:Will you file the potential bug on Mantis? Thanks!

Will do. Edit: Done.

Code:: Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.12-a0-2016-g81abd09 (tiles) character file. 4222997 Slade the Sensei (level 27, 303/303 (312) HPs) Began as a Troll Warper on Feb 12, 2013. Was the Champion of Jiyva. Escaped with the Orb ... and 8 runes on Feb 16, 2013! The game lasted 15:25:42 (130843 turns). Slade the Sensei (Troll Warper) Turns: 130843, Time: 15:25:42 HP 303/303 (312) AC 39 Str 17 XL: 27 MP 33/38 EV 32 Int 19 God: Jiyva [******] Gold 7008 SH 45 Dex 25 Spells: 14 memorised, 0 levels left Res.Fire : + + + See Invis. : + - Unarmed Res.Cold : + . . Warding : . B - +8 fire dragon armour Life Prot.: . . . Conserve : + F - +3 orc large shield {AC+3} {god gift} Res.Poison: . Res.Corr. : + i - +3 wizard hat "Crot" {rF+ Acc+2 SInv, god Res.Elec. : + Clarity : . f - +2 cloak {MR} {god gift} Sust.Abil.: + . Spirit.Shd : . (gloves unavailable) Res.Mut. : . Stasis : . (boots unavailable) Res.Rott. : . Ctrl.Telep.: x h - amulet of Ciaqabam {Cons rC++} Gourmand : + Flight : . M - ring of Aclotyel {rElec AC+3 Dex+1} J - ring "Tosajud" {SustAb Dex+1 Int+5} @: phasing, very resistant to hostile enchantments, extremely unstealthy A: unfitting armour, claws 3, breathe flames 1, fast metabolism 3, gourmand, +10% mp, regeneration 2, saprovore 2, tough skin 2, spawn jellies when eating, pseudopods 1, translucent skin 1, AC +6, EV +2, Str -1, Int +1 a: Request Jelly, Jelly Paralyse, Slimify, Cure Bad Mutation, Renounce Religion, Breathe Fire }: 8/15 runes: barnacled, slimy, silver, golden, icy, bone, abyssal, gossamer You escaped. You worshipped Jiyva. Jiyva was exalted by your worship. You were completely stuffed. You visited 16 branches of the dungeon, and saw 94 of its levels. You visited the Abyss 4 times. You also visited: Labyrinth, Ossuary, Ice Cave and Volcano. You collected 11075 gold pieces. You spent 4117 gold pieces at shops. Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations Branches: Dungeon (27/27) Temple (1/1) D:7 Orc (4/4) D:6 Elf (3/3) Orc:3 Lair (8/8) D:12 Shoals (5/5) Lair:5 Spider (5/5) Lair:4 Slime (6/6) Lair:7 Vaults (5/5) D:19 Blade (0/1) Vaults:4 Crypt (5/5) Vaults:3 Tomb (3/3) Crypt:3 Dis (2/7) Hell Geh (0/7) Hell Coc (7/7) Hell Tar (7/7) Hell Zot (5/5) D:27 Altars: Ashenzari Cheibriados Elyvilon Fedhas Kikubaaqudgha Makhleb Nemelex Xobeh Okawaru Sif Muna Trog Vehumet Xom Yredelemnul Zin the Shining One Jiyva Shops: D:7: * D:13: = D:21: ![ D:25: *+ D:26: * D:27: ! Orc:4: %=*[( Vaults:2: ? Vaults:4: * Portals: Hell: D:21 D:22 D:23 D:24 D:25 D:26 D:27 Abyss: D:21 D:25 D:26 D:27 Pandemonium: D:21 D:23 D:24 D:26 Ziggurat: D:25 (3520 gp) Annotations Slime:6 Royal Jelly Vaults:4 exclusion: door Inventory: Hand weapons u - the +5,+7 dagger of Chilly Death {freeze, rPois rF- rC++ MR} (You found it on level 3 of the Tomb of the Ancients) It has been specially enchanted to freeze those struck by it, causing extra injury to most foes and up to double damage against particularly susceptible opponents. It can also slow down cold-blooded creatures. It makes you vulnerable to fire. It greatly protects you from cold. It protects you from poison. It increases your resistance to enchantments. Missiles b - 10 throwing nets (quivered) t - 90 arrows Armour f - a +2 cloak of magic resistance (worn) {god gift} i - the +3 wizard hat "Crot" (worn) {rF+ Acc+2 SInv, god gift} (Okawaru gifted it to you on level 14 of the Dungeon) It affects your accuracy (+2). It protects you from fire. It enhances your eyesight. B - a +8 fire dragon armour (worn) F - a +3 orcish large shield of protection (worn) {god gift} Magical devices j - a wand of heal wounds (4) k - a wand of digging (11) n - a wand of fire (5) q - a wand of hasting (3) r - a wand of digging (17) s - a wand of fireball (1) L - a wand of disintegration (4) Comestibles I - 9 meat rations Scrolls e - 3 scrolls of holy word o - 12 scrolls of teleportation p - 6 scrolls of fear z - a scroll of fog C - 2 scrolls of blinking G - 9 scrolls of recharging H - 4 scrolls of remove curse O - 3 scrolls of torment Jewellery h - the amulet of Ciaqabam (around neck) {Cons rC++} (You found it in a labyrinth) [amulet of conservation] It greatly protects you from cold. l - an uncursed ring of sustenance v - an uncursed ring of sustenance y - an uncursed amulet of clarity D - an uncursed amulet of stasis E - the amulet of the Dozen Spirits {Ward Int+1 SInv} (You found it on level 5 of the Crypt) [amulet of warding] It affects your intelligence (+1). It enhances your eyesight. J - the ring "Tosajud" (left claw) {SustAb Dex+1 Int+5} (You bought it in a shop on level 4 of the Orcish Mines) [ring of sustain abilities] It affects your intelligence (+5). It affects your dexterity (+1). K - a +0,+5 ring of slaying M - the ring of Aclotyel (right claw) {rElec AC+3 Dex+1} (You found it on level 3 of the Tomb of the Ancients) [ring of protection] It affects your AC (+3). It affects your dexterity (+1). It insulates you from electricity. Potions m - 5 potions of heal wounds w - 3 potions of speed x - 4 potions of restore abilities A - 4 potions of magic N - 2 potions of resistance Q - 4 potions of agility S - 3 potions of brilliance V - 10 potions of curing W - 5 potions of might Magical staves a - an uncursed staff of wizardry {!a} Orbs of Power P - the Orb of Zot Rods c - a +4 rod of the swarm (13/13) (You found it on level 5 of the Crypt) d - a +4 rod of destruction [lightning,fireball,iron] (13/13) (You found it in a labyrinth) g - a +0 rod of destruction [lightning,fireball,iron] (14/14) (You took it off a crimson imp on level 1 of Cocytus) Action | 1- 3 | 4- 6 | 7- 9 | 10-12 | 13-15 | 16-18 | 19-21 | 22-24 | 25-27 || total -------------------------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------++------- Melee: Unarmed | 126 | 126 | 536 | 800 | 1721 | 1793 | 2561 | 2881 | 9780 || 20324 Dagger | | | 4 | | | | | | || 4 Giant spiked club | | | | 7 | | | | | || 7 Club | | | | 5 | | | 1 | 3 | || 9 Demon whip | | | | | | 1 | | | || 1 Staff | | | | | | | | | 9 || 9 Fire: Blowgun | | | 8 | | | | | | || 8 Sling | | | | 5 | 11 | | | | || 16 Crossbow | | | | | | | | 2 | || 2 Throw: Dart | | 10 | 24 | 37 | 3 | | | | || 74 Large rock | | | | 35 | 21 | 195 | 160 | 124 | 81 || 616 Throwing net | | | | | 1 | | | 1 | 7 || 9 Javelin | | | | | 7 | 32 | 5 | 22 | 18 || 84 Cast: Blink | | | | 8 | 27 | 31 | 43 | 37 | 127 || 273 Apportation | | | | 5 | 30 | 15 | 58 | 42 | 164 || 314 Portal Projectile | | | | 8 | 11 | 164 | 135 | 135 | 77 || 530 Shroud of Golubri | | | | 5 | 12 | | 3 | 2 | || 22 Control Teleport | | | | | 22 | 9 | 11 | 7 | 15 || 64 Swiftness | | | | | 1 | 1 | 7 | 4 | 10 || 23 Teleport Other | | | | | | | | 3 | 40 || 43 Repel Missiles | | | | | | | | | 41 || 41 Regeneration | | | | | | | | | 118 || 118 Phase Shift | | | | | | | | | 78 || 78 Haste | | | | | | | | | 51 || 51 Controlled Blink | | | | | | | | | 20 || 20 Flight | | | | | | | | | 16 || 16 Sublimation of Bl | | | | | | | | | 12 || 12 Confusing Touch | | | | | | | | | 1 || 1 Invok: Heroism | | | | 15 | 47 | 22 | 21 | 26 | 39 || 170 Finesse | | | | 3 | 5 | 6 | 8 | 8 | 15 || 45 Request Jelly | | | | | | | | | 62 || 62 Slimify | | | | | | | | | 21 || 21 Cure Bad Mutation | | | | | | | | | 11 || 11 Jelly Paralyse | | | | | | | | | 3 || 3 Abil: Evoke Flight | | | | | | | 1 | | || 1 Evoke: Wand | 1 | | 2 | 13 | 29 | 6 | 11 | 7 | 21 || 90 Rod | | | | 8 | 87 | 50 | 30 | 38 | 81 || 294 Miscellaneous | | | | | | | | 2 | || 2 Use: Scroll | 5 | 3 | 16 | 14 | 11 | 5 | 26 | 10 | 47 || 137 Potion | | | | 3 | 1 | 4 | 11 | 9 | 41 || 69

Code:: Skills: + Level 24.3 Fighting - Level 4.6 Throwing - Level 17.7 Armour - Level 15.9 Dodging - Level 15.9 Shields - Level 11.0 Traps - Level 25.4 Unarmed Combat - Level 8.5 Spellcasting - Level 16.0 Charms - Level 6.0 Necromancy - Level 21.1 Translocations - Level 8.4 Invocations - Level 7.2 Evocations You couldn't memorise any spells. You knew the following spells: Your Spells Type Power Failure Level Hunger a - Teleport Other Tloc #######.. 0% 3 None b - Portal Projectile Tloc ####### 0% 2 None c - Controlled Blink Tloc N/A 3% 7 ####### d - Confusing Touch Hex ##........ 21% 1 None f - Flight Chrm/Air ######.... 2% 3 None g - Regeneration Chrm/Necr #######... 1% 3 None h - Haste Chrm #######.. 4% 6 ######. k - Blink Tloc N/A 0% 2 None o - Sublimation of Blood Necr #####..... 2% 2 None p - Phase Shift Tloc #######... 1% 5 ####... q - Apportation Tloc #######... 0% 1 None r - Repel Missiles Chrm/Air ######.... 1% 2 None t - Control Teleport Chrm/Tloc #######... 1% 4 ###.... w - Swiftness Chrm/Air ######.... 1% 2 None Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations You are too large for most types of armour. You have claws for hands. Your metabolism is lightning-fast. You like to eat raw meat. You heal very quickly. You can eat rotten meat. You are covered in fur (AC +1). You have very tough skin (AC +2). You are surrounded by a mild repulsion field (EV +2). You are partially covered in rough black scales (AC +4, Dex -1). You can breathe flames. Your mind is acute (Int +1). Your muscles are flexible, but weak (Str -1, Dex +1). You have an increased reservoir of magic (+10% MP). You occasionally spawn a jelly by eating. Your rubbery body absorbs attacks (AC +1). Armour fits poorly on your pseudopods. Your skin is partially translucent.

Code:: Table legend: A = Turns spent in this place as a percentage of turns spent in the entire game. B = Non-inter-level travel turns spent in this place as a percentage of non-inter-level travel turns spent in the entire game. C = Inter-level travel turns spent in this place as a percentage of turns spent in this place. D = Turns resting spent in this place as a percentage of non-inter-level travel turns spent in this place. E = Turns spent auto-exploring this place as a percentage of non-inter-level travel turns spent in this place. F = Non-inter-level travel turns spent in this place divided by the number of levels of this place that you've seen. A B C D E F +-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+---------------------- Total | 100.0 | 100.0 | 1.1 | 1.1 | 2.9 | 615.9 Dungeon | 28.9 | 28.7 | 1.6 | 1.1 | 3.9 | 688.0 Temple | 0.1 | 0.1 | 2.0 | 0.0 | 2.0 | 50.0 Orcish Mines | 3.5 | 3.5 | 0.9 | 1.3 | 2.0 | 561.0 Elven Halls | 4.0 | 4.0 | 0.9 | 2.1 | 2.7 | 872.0 Lair | 9.2 | 9.2 | 1.1 | 1.5 | 2.4 | 739.9 Shoals | 3.3 | 3.3 | 0.7 | 0.0 | 4.2 | 425.2 Spider Nest | 3.0 | 3.0 | 1.0 | 0.2 | 5.8 | 387.8 Slime Pits | 2.0 | 2.0 | 1.6 | 0.8 | 3.3 | 219.2 Vaults | 9.4 | 9.5 | 0.7 | 1.4 | 2.2 | 1226.2 Crypt | 3.5 | 3.5 | 1.4 | 0.6 | 5.1 | 454.4 Tomb | 5.0 | 5.0 | 0.3 | 2.7 | 0.0 | 1086.7 Hell | 3.7 | 3.7 | 0.8 | 2.0 | 0.0 | 2376.0 Dis | 0.2 | 0.2 | 0.0 | 0.0 | 1.9 | 80.5 Cocytus | 6.1 | 6.1 | 0.9 | 0.2 | 1.8 | 566.0 Tartarus | 8.2 | 8.2 | 1.0 | 0.4 | 2.8 | 759.4 Zot | 5.0 | 5.0 | 0.9 | 1.0 | 2.5 | 647.0 Abyss | 2.8 | 2.8 | 0.0 | 1.9 | 4.3 | 261.3 Labyrinth | 0.4 | 0.4 | 0.0 | 0.0 | 0.0 | 233.0 Ossuary | 0.7 | 0.7 | 0.0 | 5.4 | 0.0 | 443.0 Ice Cave | 0.7 | 0.7 | 0.0 | 0.7 | 0.2 | 430.0 Volcano | 0.4 | 0.4 | 0.0 | 0.0 | 1.3 | 238.0 +-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+---------------------- Table legend: A = Kills in this place as a percentage of kills in entire the game. B = Kills by you in this place as a percentage of kills by you in the entire game. C = Kills by friends in this place as a percentage of kills by friends in the entire game. D = Other kills in this place as a percentage of other kills in the entire game. E = Experience gained in this place as a percentage of experience gained in the entire game. F = Experience gained in this place divided by the number of levels of this place that you have seen. A B C D E F +-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+---------------------- Total | 100.0 | 100.0 | 100.0 | 100.0 | 100.0 | 30468.4 Dungeon | 27.6 | 27.7 | 0.0 | 20.0 | 20.2 | 23893.0 Orcish Mines | 3.9 | 3.9 | 0.0 | 0.0 | 0.6 | 4827.2 Elven Halls | 2.7 | 2.7 | 0.0 | 5.0 | 2.6 | 27421.3 Lair | 8.1 | 8.2 | 0.0 | 0.0 | 2.2 | 8760.8 Shoals | 2.3 | 2.3 | 0.0 | 0.0 | 1.7 | 10599.8 Spider Nest | 4.2 | 4.2 | 0.0 | 20.0 | 1.9 | 12317.4 Slime Pits | 2.2 | 2.2 | 0.0 | 0.0 | 2.9 | 15445.2 Vaults | 8.9 | 9.0 | 0.0 | 10.0 | 11.8 | 75354.2 Crypt | 3.0 | 3.0 | 0.0 | 0.0 | 3.1 | 19691.6 Tomb | 3.7 | 3.2 | 100.0 | 10.0 | 9.2 | 97645.0 Hell | 1.5 | 1.5 | 0.0 | 0.0 | 1.3 | 41246.0 Dis | 0.3 | 0.3 | 0.0 | 0.0 | 0.3 | 4607.5 Cocytus | 9.5 | 9.6 | 0.0 | 10.0 | 7.1 | 32581.0 Tartarus | 11.7 | 11.8 | 0.0 | 10.0 | 12.2 | 55560.6 Zot | 4.3 | 4.3 | 0.0 | 10.0 | 19.6 | 125347.4 Abyss | 4.0 | 4.0 | 0.0 | 0.0 | 3.2 | 14832.9 Labyrinth | 0.0 | 0.0 | 0.0 | 0.0 | 0.0 | 1367.0 Ossuary | 0.6 | 0.6 | 0.0 | 5.0 | 0.0 | 775.0 Ice Cave | 1.1 | 1.1 | 0.0 | 0.0 | 0.1 | 4750.0 Volcano | 0.4 | 0.4 | 0.0 | 0.0 | 0.1 | 2077.0 +-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+----------------------

I actually did go and TANG Tomb:3... Jiyva piety is effectively infinite with arrow/bolt stack. Every greater mummy was simply slimed. I was sent into penance once as I got blamed for a death ooze dying - must have been because I swapped places with it on the turn it died. That was on Tomb:2 - I had to run out of that place without the Jiyva heal. Once I was out, I just dumped the consumption stack in front of a neutral jelly and penance was very quickly over.

Naturally, the consequence for slimeifying Tomb:3 was the absence of loot in one of the treasure rooms. That feeling when you fresh-walk into a treasure room and find it completely empty~

The only notable event during the orb run was when I had to go back downstairs and try another staircase because a Hell Sentinel was camping. Probably could have killed it or just tanked it while walking past but there was no pressure from the floor below.

Saturday, 23rd February 2013, 14:45 by yandayixia

Psieye wrote:MY BRAIN! I HEAL 100 HP PER TURN!

Procedure:
- Pull targets so they'll round the corner in some 5 turns. In this case, I used Wand of Disintegration to open the door to Antaeus' throne room from far away.
- Drop 100+ stack of bolts/arrows.
- Request jelly.
- Go fight while jelly takes several turns to munch through the stack.
- Laugh at how torment has become meaningless.

Good One! Guess I have to say that Jiyva is pretty badass after all at heal stuff~

You know, jellys, they don't look damaged when they are..

Allright, bad joke... :oops:

Sunday, 24th February 2013, 11:47 by Psieye

It was a bug that got promptly fixed when I reported it a few days ago. Should be interesting seeing how they balance up now.

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