CIP: DeFe choosing spells and such.

Sunday, 16th September 2012, 13:59 by nordetsa

After meeting frustrating ends with several wizards & conjurers, I decided to give DeFe try. Though the character is fragile as ever I found it easier than the two mage classes I've played. Was actually surprised to find my character down at Lair:8 already.

And now I've gone mid-game, I feel I need all the help I can get. Looking for 3-rune win for starters. Vehumet gave be few books, and I'm now beginning to wander what spell I should learn, and how I should continue with my skill progression (for example: should I raise armor as well now, and raise fighting bit more?)

I wanted to learn Iron shot to take out elemental resistant foes, but I trained air magic, so I don't think it's gonna be that effective. Last time I've used IMB, it didn't look that impressive. Looks like I'll have to go fire+air, though I don't know if that will work. Is that okay? Or should I learn iron shot anyway?

p.s: is there any way to make going down stairs less scary as a mage? Right now I summon mammals whenever I go down stairs, but I don't think that will work when I go Vault:8. How do mage character clear that? I don't think stair dancing and getting hit by vault guards several tiles is a viable tactic for this guy.

Code:: Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.11-b1-125-g1d312c1 (tiles) character file. Fire Elementalist the Eclecticist (DEFE) Turns: 24323, Time: 03:05:33 HP 69/69 AC 10 Str 9 XL: 13 Next: 65% MP 22/38 EV 18 Int 32 God: Vehumet [******] Gold 448 SH 11 Dex 19 Spells: 12 memorised, 9 levels left Res.Fire : + . . See Invis. : . B - +5,+0 trident of Order {slay drac, rF+ Str Res.Cold : . . . Warding : + m - +3 elf leather armour Life Prot.: + . . Conserve : . v - -1 buckler Res.Poison: + Res.Corr. : . J - +1 helmet {Int+3} Res.Elec. : . Clarity : . w - +0 cloak Sust.Abil.: . . Spirit.Shd : . (no gloves) Res.Mut. : . Stasis : . h - +0 pair of boots Res.Rott. : . Ctrl.Telep.: . q - amulet of warding Saprovore : . . . Levitation : . b - +3 ring of intelligence Ctrl.Flight: . r - ring of poison resistance @: somewhat resistant to hostile enchantments, very stealthy A: hooves 1, carnivore 1, Str +1, Int +1 a: Renounce Religion You are on level 8 of the Lair of Beasts. You worship Vehumet. Vehumet is exalted by your worship. You are full. You have visited 3 branches of the dungeon, and seen 20 of its levels. You have also visited: Bailey. You have collected 1136 gold pieces. You have spent 708 gold pieces at shops. Inventory: Hand weapons B - the +5,+0 trident of Order (weapon) {slay drac, rF+ Str+2 Dex+4} (You found it on level 9 of the Dungeon) This legendary weapon is deadly to all dragonkind. It also provides some protection from the breath attacks of dragons and other creatures. It affects your strength (+2). It affects your dexterity (+4). It protects you from fire. Armour h - a +0 pair of boots (worn) m - a +3 elven leather armour (worn) v - a -1 buckler (worn) w - a +0 cloak (worn) J - a +1 helmet of intelligence (worn) Magical devices s - a wand of teleportation {recharged} Comestibles a - 3 chokos c - 3 bread rations f - 3 apples n - a meat ration u - a beef jerky A - 3 pears E - 4 snozzcumbers F - 3 chunks of wyvern flesh H - 20 strawberries Scrolls d - 7 scrolls of teleportation e - 8 scrolls of remove curse k - a scroll of fog p - a scroll of magic mapping y - a scroll of recharging C - a scroll of enchant weapon II D - a scroll of identify Jewellery b - a +3 ring of intelligence (right hand) i - an uncursed ring of sustain abilities q - an amulet of warding (around neck) r - a ring of poison resistance (left hand) Potions j - 4 potions of curing l - 2 potions of berserk rage t - 4 potions of brilliance z - 2 potions of might Books g - a book of Conjurations {god gift} Spells Type Level *Magic Dart Conjuration 1 *Throw Frost Conjuration/Ice 2 *Mephitic Cloud Conjuration/Poison/Air 3 *Lightning Bolt Conjuration/Air 5 Bolt of Cold Conjuration/Ice 6 Freezing Cloud Conjuration/Ice/Air 6 o - a book of Enchantments Spells Type Level Tukima's Dance Hexes 3 See Invisible Charms 4 Cause Fear Hexes 4 Silence Hexes/Air 5 Deflect Missiles Charms/Air 6 *Haste Charms 6 x - a book of Power {god gift} Spells Type Level Iskenderun's Mystic Blast Conjuration 4 Venom Bolt Conjuration/Poison 5 Bolt of Magma Conjuration/Fire/Earth 5 Poisonous Cloud Conjuration/Poison/Air 6 Iron Shot Conjuration/Earth 6 Orb of Destruction Conjuration 7 Skills: - Level 5.0 Fighting - Level 1.2 Staves - Level 0.3 Throwing * Level 8.6 Dodging - Level 8.1 Stealth - Level 0.6 Stabbing - Level 5.0 Shields - Level 10.0 Traps & Doors - Level 17.5 Spellcasting - Level 8.2 Conjurations - Level 10.1 Charms - Level 4.1 Summonings - Level 1.2 Transmutations - Level 8.2 Fire Magic - Level 0.5 Ice Magic - Level 5.8 Air Magic You have 9 spell levels left. You know the following spells: Your Spells Type Power Failure Level Hunger a - Flame Tongue Conj/Fire ###### 1% 1 None b - Throw Flame Conj/Fire ####### 1% 2 None c - Conjure Flame Conj/Fire #######.. 1% 3 None d - Sticky Flame Conj/Fire #######.. 1% 4 None e - Fireball Conj/Fire #######... 1% 5 None f - Summon Small Mammals Summ ##### 1% 1 None g - Throw Frost Conj/Ice ####### 1% 2 None h - Ignite Poison Fire/Trmt #######... 2% 5 None i - Lightning Bolt Conj/Air #######... 1% 5 None j - Magic Dart Conj ##### 1% 1 None k - Mephitic Cloud Conj/Pois/Air #######.. 1% 3 None l - Haste Chrm ########. 3% 6 None Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations Branches: Dungeon (11/27) Temple (1/1) D:6 Orc (0/4) D:10 Lair (8/8) D:10 Shoals (0/5) Lair:3 Spider (0/5) Lair:6 Slime: Lair:6-8 Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations You have large cloven feet. You are agile (Dex +1). Your digestive system is specialised to digest meat. Your mind is acute (Int +1). Your muscles are strong, but stiff (Str +1, Dex -1). Notes Turn | Place | Note -------------------------------------------------------------- 0 | D:1 | Fire Elementalist, the Deep Elf Fire Elementalist, began the quest for the Orb. 0 | D:1 | Reached XP level 1. HP: 10/10 MP: 4/4 408 | D:1 | Found a glowing golden altar of the Shining One. 723 | D:1 | Reached XP level 2. HP: 15/15 MP: 7/7 738 | D:1 | Learned a level 2 spell: Throw Flame 1243 | D:2 | Reached XP level 3. HP: 19/19 MP: 1/10 1347 | D:2 | Reached skill level 4 in Spellcasting 1367 | D:2 | Found a glowing silver altar of Zin. 1367 | D:2 | Noticed a glowing angel 1441 | D:2 | Reached skill level 5 in Spellcasting 1441 | D:2 | Reached XP level 4. HP: 24/24 MP: 10/15 2527 | D:3 | Learned a level 3 spell: Conjure Flame 2590 | D:3 | Noticed a giant frog 2614 | D:3 | Killed a giant frog 2614 | D:3 | Reached XP level 5. HP: 23/28 MP: 12/18 2938 | D:4 | Reached XP level 6. HP: 29/32 MP: 10/20 3118 | D:4 | Gained mutation: Your muscles are strong, but stiff (Str +1, Dex -1). [potion of mutation] 3118 | D:4 | Gained mutation: Your digestive system is specialised to digest meat. [potion of mutation] 3118 | D:4 | Gained mutation: You have large cloven feet. [potion of mutation] 3171 | D:3 | Noticed Ijyb 3179 | D:3 | Killed Ijyb 3435 | D:4 | Noticed an ogre 3471 | D:5 | Entered Level 5 of the Dungeon 4051 | D:4 | Reached skill level 5 in Stealth 4249 | D:4 | Reached XP level 7. HP: 36/36 MP: 17/22 4367 | D:4 | Killed an ogre 4367 | D:4 | Reached skill level 6 in Spellcasting 4560 | D:3 | Noticed Crazy Yiuf 4571 | D:3 | Killed Crazy Yiuf 4754 | D:3 | Reached skill level 7 in Spellcasting 4846 | D:5 | You fall through a shaft! 5029 | D:5 | Reached skill level 8 in Spellcasting 5037 | D:5 | Reached XP level 8. HP: 41/41 MP: 9/26 5279 | D:6 | Reached skill level 9 in Spellcasting 5313 | D:6 | Learned a level 4 spell: Sticky Flame 5320 | D:6 | Learned a level 5 spell: Fireball 5324 | D:6 | Found Kuch's Book Emporium. 5335 | D:6 | Bought a book of Cantrips for 220 gold pieces 5339 | D:6 | Learned a level 1 spell: Summon Small Mammals 5404 | D:6 | Found a staircase to the Ecumenical Temple. 5411 | Temple | Entered the Ecumenical Temple 5432 | Temple | Became a worshipper of Vehumet 5895 | D:6 | Reached skill level 5 in Dodging 5913 | D:6 | Reached skill level 1 in Summonings 5984 | D:6 | Found a white marble altar of Elyvilon. 6158 | D:6 | Paralysed by a giant eyeball for 4 turns 6423 | D:7 | Reached skill level 5 in Conjurations 6782 | D:7 | Acquired Vehumet's first power 6918 | D:7 | Reached XP level 9. HP: 45/45 MP: 19/28 7017 | D:8 | Learned a level 2 spell: Throw Frost 7400 | D:8 | Reached skill level 10 in Spellcasting 7453 | D:8 | Found Vaixken's Distillery. 7463 | D:8 | Bought a potion of poison for 11 gold pieces 7463 | D:8 | Bought a potion of strong poison for 22 gold pieces 7463 | D:8 | Bought a potion of heal wounds for 33 gold pieces 7463 | D:8 | Bought a potion of curing for 22 gold pieces 7463 | D:8 | Bought a potion of curing for 22 gold pieces 7463 | D:8 | Bought a potion of curing for 22 gold pieces 7513 | D:8 | Found a flagged portal. 7545 | Bailey | Entered a bailey 7686 | D:8 | Noticed a cyclops 7694 | D:8 | Killed a cyclops 7694 | D:8 | Reached skill level 11 in Spellcasting 7746 | D:8 | Found a basalt altar of Yredelemnul. 8032 | D:9 | Noticed Sigmund 8047 | D:9 | Killed Sigmund 8414 | D:9 | Acquired Vehumet's second power 8435 | D:9 | Reached skill level 12 in Spellcasting 8470 | D:9 | Reached skill level 1 in Staves 8510 | D:9 | Got an ancient trident 8511 | D:9 | Identified the trident of Order {slay drac, rF+ Str+2 Dex+4} (You found it on level 9 of the Dungeon) 8963 | D:9 | Gained mutation: Your mind is acute (Int +1). [potion of gain intelligence] 9105 | D:9 | Reached skill level 5 in Fire Magic 9254 | D:10 | Entered Level 10 of the Dungeon 9255 | D:10 | Found a staircase to the Lair. 9446 | D:10 | Reached XP level 10. HP: 50/50 MP: 22/32 9449 | D:10 | Reached skill level 13 in Spellcasting 9643 | D:10 | Found Adwaij's Food Shoppe. 9870 | D:10 | Reached skill level 14 in Spellcasting 10125 | D:10 | Acquired Vehumet's third power 10495 | D:10 | Found a staircase to the Orcish Mines. 10519 | D:10 | Paralysed by a giant eyeball for 2 turns 10653 | D:10 | Reached skill level 15 in Spellcasting 10731 | D:10 | Noticed a hill giant 10756 | D:10 | Killed a hill giant 11434 | D:11 | Reached skill level 5 in Fighting 11539 | D:11 | Noticed a hill giant 11554 | D:11 | Reached skill level 1 in Shields 11748 | D:11 | Found Qock's Distillery. 11757 | D:11 | Bought a potion of heal wounds for 39 gold pieces 11757 | D:11 | Bought a potion of heal wounds for 39 gold pieces 11777 | D:11 | Noticed Grum 11804 | D:11 | Killed Grum 11804 | D:11 | Reached XP level 11. HP: 54/59 MP: 22/34 11898 | D:11 | Found Cloez's Antique Weapon Shoppe. 11923 | D:11 | Acquired Vehumet's fourth power 12349 | D:11 | Reached skill level 5 in Shields 12508 | D:11 | Found Baaffauv's Armour Emporium. 12666 | D:11 | Bought a +1 helmet of intelligence for 278 gold pieces 12669 | D:11 | Paralysed by a giant eyeball for 2 turns 12788 | Lair:1 | Entered Level 1 of the Lair of Beasts 12895 | Lair:1 | Identified a scroll of acquirement 12949 | Lair:1 | Gained mutation: You are agile (Dex +1). [potion of gain dexterity] 13184 | Lair:1 | Noticed Erica 13192 | Lair:1 | Killed Erica 13429 | Lair:1 | Reached skill level 1 in Traps & Doors 14268 | Lair:1 | Reached skill level 5 in Traps & Doors 15007 | Lair:1 | Reached skill level 16 in Spellcasting 15263 | D:10 | Reached XP level 12. HP: 64/64 MP: 25/36 15592 | Lair:1 | Learned a level 5 spell: Ignite Poison 15598 | Lair:1 | Learned a level 5 spell: Lightning Bolt 16558 | Lair:3 | Reached skill level 17 in Spellcasting 16617 | Lair:3 | Reached skill level 1 in Air Magic 17244 | Lair:3 | Reached skill level 5 in Air Magic 17481 | Lair:3 | Found a staircase to the Shoals. 17554 | Lair:3 | Found a bloodstained altar of Trog. 18414 | Lair:4 | Noticed a seven-headed hydra 18420 | Lair:4 | Killed a seven-headed hydra 18420 | Lair:4 | Reached skill level 1 in Transmutations 18981 | Lair:5 | Noticed a six-headed hydra 18990 | Lair:5 | Killed a six-headed hydra 19280 | Lair:3 | Received a gift from Vehumet 19402 | Lair:3 | Learned a level 1 spell: Magic Dart 19406 | Lair:3 | Learned a level 3 spell: Mephitic Cloud 20228 | Lair:6 | Noticed a death yak 20264 | Lair:6 | Noticed a death yak 20264 | Lair:6 | Noticed a death yak 20296 | Lair:6 | Killed a death yak 20297 | Lair:6 | Noticed a death yak 20373 | Lair:6 | Killed a death yak 20432 | Lair:6 | Killed a death yak 20437 | Lair:6 | Killed a death yak 20685 | Lair:6 | Learned a level 6 spell: Haste 20910 | Lair:6 | Found a hole to the Spider Nest. 21062 | Lair:7 | Reached XP level 13. HP: 69/69 MP: 25/37 21268 | Lair:7 | Reached skill level 1 in Charms 21626 | Lair:7 | Reached skill level 5 in Charms 21648 | Lair:7 | Noticed a four-headed hydra 21664 | Lair:7 | Killed a four-headed hydra 22557 | Lair:7 | Reached skill level 10 in Charms 22631 | Lair:8 | Entered Level 8 of the Lair of Beasts 22930 | Lair:8 | HP: 3/69 [blink frog (6)] 23577 | Lair:7 | Reached skill level 10 in Traps & Doors 24241 | Lair:8 | Received a gift from Vehumet

Sunday, 16th September 2012, 14:39 by hxy

For a 3-rune game, your DEFE is probably going to stay in light armour (i.e. leather or robe), so no point wasting xp on Armour.
Vehumet will eventually give you Fire Storm, so I'd suggest you prepare for that - level up your Conjurations and Fire. As a side effect of that, you can power up Iron Short using Conjurations alone. Pick up a Staff of Conjuration if you come across it.

One way to handle the V:8 entrance is to use cTele + Blink. That gives you semi-controlled blink, and you can choose the direction and head down one of the corridors (I hope you're familiar with the V:8 layout? If not go watch a few games). Once you are far enough from the crowd, they will be easier to handle.
And yes, go learn cTele & Blink

Sunday, 16th September 2012, 14:43 by nordetsa

I just hope I come across spellbook that gives me both spells. And yeah, I do know vault layout too well. I'm too used to playing MiFi now (I think I played over 40 MiFi before I eventually won) and have a bad habit of automatically assuming that stairdancing will work on any character. Found out the hard way when my last DeFe got one shot by Rupert while climbing stairs.

Monday, 17th September 2012, 07:44 by onton

Actually by the time you get to V8 it's not unusual to have both Firestorm and Haste on a DEFE, in this case you can killl most guards right off the stairs. However, a char with Haste and FS is not going to have any problems in a 3-runer at all, so by that point you are already ready to win

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Monday, 17th September 2012, 11:48 by white_noise

So, the Iron Shot is the best way to deal with fire resistant monsters for DEFE? I am looking at Book of Power right now and wondering which one to pick...

Monday, 17th September 2012, 13:17 by nago

In normal game, I prefer poison arrow over iron shot: the former deals over all the same (or maybe even a little more) damage than the latter, but it also poisons the foos, letting to kite them 'till are dead. In extended iron shot is better.
As the op is going with air, also chain lightning it's terrible effective and funny to use, against both enemies' group or single, stronger, one. Anyway, it's obviously more expensive, mp and xp-wise, than iron shot or poison arrow and it's surely an overkill for a DEFE.

Regarding Vault:8: for a character with weak defense, it's even better to head downstairs with an active teleportation, mapping the floor and c-tele somewhere in the external corridors, starting to kill dudes guarding the entrance from here.

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