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[ajon]

Found an early glaive and lajatang. Chose the lajatang since it was easier to train up and I planned on training longbows too. Is it worth it to eventually switch to polearms, or just stay staves.

Rebranded twice to get a lajatang of electricity. Hoping to eventually get speed though somehow.

Edit - For bows, is it worth it to train past min delay for longbow or just get to min delay and then focus on fighting and defenses.

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Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.19-a0-320-gcfc3c9c (webtiles) character file.

mahalanobis the Markscentaur (Centaur Berserker)   Turns: 42865, Time: 01:55:51

Health: 137/137    AC: 30    Str: 32    XL:     17   Next: 27%
Magic:  17/17      EV: 13    Int:  8    God:    Trog [******]
Gold:   1164       SH:  0    Dex: 19    Spells: 0 memorised, 16 levels left

rFire  . . .      SeeInvis +    p - +4 longbow (freeze)
rCold  . . .      Gourm    +    M - +3 scale mail
rNeg   . . .      Faith    .    (shield currently unavailable)
rPois  +          Spirit   .    e - +2 helmet {SInv}
rElec  +          Dismiss  .    O - +2 cloak {rPois}
rCorr  .          Reflect  .    d - +2 pair of gloves
SustAt .          Harm     .    z - +1 centaur barding "Coalun" {+Inv Str+3}
MR     +....                    B - amulet of the gourmand
Stlth  ..........               V - ring "Jeupe" {+Fly Str+5 Int+2}
                                C - +5 ring of dexterity

@: very quick, somewhat resistant to hostile enchantments, extremely unstealthy
A: hooves 3, rugged brown scales 1, deformed body, speed 2, frail 1, electricity
resistance, strong 1, tough skin 3
a: Berserk, Trog's Hand, Brothers in Arms, Burn Spellbooks, Renounce Religion,
Evoke Invisibility, Evoke Flight
}: 1/15 runes: serpentine


You are on level 4 of the Lair of Beasts.
You worship Trog.
Trog is exalted by your worship.
You are not hungry.

You have visited 4 branches of the dungeon, and seen 29 of its levels.
You have also visited: Ice Cave.

You have collected 2856 gold pieces.
You have spent 1692 gold pieces at shops.

Inventory:

Hand Weapons
 k - a +3 lajatang of protection
 p - a +4 longbow of freezing (weapon)
 N - a +6 lajatang of electrocution
 R - a +2 longbow of flaming
Missiles
 x - 726 arrows (quivered)
 G - 2 throwing nets
Armour
 d - a +2 pair of gloves (worn)
 e - a +2 helmet of see invisible (worn)
 z - the +1 centaur barding "Coalun" (worn) {+Inv Str+3}
   (You found it on level 8 of the Lair of Beasts)   
   
   It affects your strength (+3).
   It lets you turn invisible.
 M - a +3 scale mail (worn)
 O - a +2 cloak of poison resistance (worn)
Jewellery
 a - a blackened cameo amulet
 A - a twisted ruby amulet
 B - an amulet of the gourmand (around neck)
 C - a +5 ring of dexterity (left hand)
 I - the ring of Shaolin {EV+8}
   (You took it off a naga on level 4 of the Snake Pit)   
   
   [ring of evasion]
   
   It affects your evasion (+8).
 V - the ring "Jeupe" (right hand) {+Fly Str+5 Int+2}
   (You found it on level 12 of the Dungeon)   
   
   [ring of flight]
   
   It affects your strength (+5).
   It affects your intelligence (+2).
   It lets you fly.
Wands
 r - a wand of hasting (6/9)
 v - a wand of digging
 w - a wand of lightning
Scrolls
 b - 12 scrolls of remove curse
 c - a scroll of vulnerability
 h - 10 scrolls of recharging
 i - 13 scrolls of teleportation
 j - 6 scrolls of blinking
 m - 4 scrolls of fog
 o - 2 scrolls of silence
 u - a scroll of enchant armour
 y - 3 scrolls of fear
 D - a scroll of acquirement
 P - 6 scrolls of identify
Potions
 f - a potion of ambrosia
 l - a potion of heal wounds
 n - 6 potions of might
 s - 7 potions of curing
 t - a potion of flight
 E - 4 potions of lignification
 F - 3 potions of cancellation
 H - 4 potions of magic
 J - 2 potions of berserk rage
 S - 3 potions of haste
 T - a potion of agility
 U - 3 potions of resistance
 W - a potion of mutation
Miscellaneous
 Y - a fan of gales
Comestibles
 g - 24 fruits
 q - a meat ration


   Skills:
 * Level 12.7 Fighting
   Level 4.9(10.5) Polearms
 - Level 13.9(14.2) Staves
 - Level 20.7 Bows
 * Level 10.7 Armour
 * Level 9.1 Dodging


[rchandra]

Don't change weapon types without a very special reason.

You can't get speed from a branding scroll - you do have the chance of vampiric, but you're probably best off sticking with the elec. You might get a speed lajatang from a Trog gift, or an enemy.

Shaolin is better than either of your other rings, and probably better than both put together.

You should definitely get at least some fighting and defenses before min delay on the weapon, and quite often never go past min delay (exception: Ru). Certainly for now you want fighting/armour/dodging.

Wear-ID your other amulets - gourmand does next to nothing for you.

[ajon]

Thanks for the advice. My bow is definitely kicking ass. Gloves of archery help too. Use the lajatang and berserk when things are bad. I do have a vampiric one and an amulet of gourmand, but I'm not sure its really worth the hit every time I need to berserk something.

[ajon]

So should I be using my bow for everything, even when enemies are standing right next to me, or will the lajatang be better when they actually reach melee range?

Armor wise, not much I can find with rF+ other than my robe. Might need to see what else I can negotiate before Zot. Still have a final rune to get tho. Abyss is a little rough without stealth.

Any other advice on what I'm doing wrong is also appreciated.

Edit- Also, I made a GDA, probably going to use enchant scrolls on it until I get something better than my MR plate. Just so I have at least a pip of rC and rF.

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Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.19-a0-330-g034cfd4 (webtiles) character file.

mahalanobis the Warrior (Centaur Berserker)        Turns: 75032, Time: 04:20:40

Health: 211/211    AC: 37    Str: 24    XL:     22   Next: 97%
Magic:  22/22      EV: 21    Int:  6    God:    Trog [******]
Gold:   1446       SH:  0    Dex: 19    Spells: 0 memorised, 21 levels left

rFire  . . .      SeeInvis +    p - +5 longbow (freeze)
rCold  . . .      Gourm    +    l - +3 plate armour {MR+}
rNeg   + . .      Faith    .    (shield currently unavailable)
rPois  +          Spirit   .    e - +2 helmet {SInv}
rElec  +          Dismiss  .    O - +2 cloak {rPois}
rCorr  .          Reflect  .    P - +0 pair of gloves {archery}
SustAt .          Harm     .    z - +1 centaur barding "Coalun" {+Inv Str+3}
MR     +++..                    B - amulet of the gourmand
Stlth  ..........               I - ring of Shaolin {EV+8}
                                X - ring "Roddul" {rN+ MR+ Dex+2}

@: very quick, extremely resistant to hostile enchantments, extremely unstealthy
A: claws 1, hooves 3, rough black scales 1, agile 1, deformed body, speed 2,
regeneration 1, electricity resistance, tough skin 3, weak 1, evolution 1
a: Berserk, Trog's Hand, Brothers in Arms, Burn Spellbooks, Renounce Religion,
Evoke Invisibility
}: 2/15 runes: decaying, serpentine


You are on level 2 of the Depths.
You worship Trog.
Trog is exalted by your worship.
You are very full.

You have visited 8 branches of the dungeon, and seen 42 of its levels.
You have visited the Abyss 1 time.
You have also visited: Ice Cave.

You have collected 6017 gold pieces.
You have spent 4571 gold pieces at shops.

Inventory:

Hand Weapons
 p - a +5 longbow of freezing (weapon)
 N - a +8 lajatang of electrocution
Missiles
 x - 1913 arrows (quivered)
 G - a throwing net
Armour
 e - a +2 helmet of see invisible (worn)
 l - a +3 plate armour of magic resistance (worn)
 z - the +1 centaur barding "Coalun" (worn) {+Inv Str+3}
   (You found it on level 8 of the Lair of Beasts)   
   
   It affects your strength (+3).
   It lets you turn invisible.
 O - a +2 cloak of poison resistance (worn)
 P - a +0 pair of gloves of archery (worn)
Jewellery
 w - an uncursed ring of protection from fire
 B - an amulet of the gourmand (around neck)
 I - the ring of Shaolin (right hand) {EV+8}
   (You took it off a naga on level 4 of the Snake Pit)   
   
   [ring of evasion]
   
   It affects your evasion (+8).
 L - a +5 ring of slaying
 X - the ring "Roddul" (left hand) {rN+ MR+ Dex+2}
   (You took it off a deep elf annihilator on level 3 of the Elven Halls)   
   
   [ring of positive energy]
   
   It affects your dexterity (+2).
   It protects you from negative energy.
   It affects your resistance to hostile enchantments.
Wands
 r - a wand of hasting (5/9)
 v - a wand of digging
 D - a wand of disintegration
 Q - a wand of teleportation (5/9)
Scrolls
 b - 22 scrolls of remove curse
 c - 2 scrolls of vulnerability
 d - a scroll of identify
 h - 11 scrolls of recharging
 i - 10 scrolls of teleportation
 j - 10 scrolls of blinking
 m - 8 scrolls of fog
 o - 2 scrolls of silence
 y - 3 scrolls of fear
 C - a scroll of magic mapping
 W - a scroll of holy word
Potions
 a - 3 potions of invisibility
 k - 3 potions of heal wounds
 n - 11 potions of might
 s - 9 potions of curing
 t - 3 potions of flight
 E - 5 potions of lignification
 F - 2 potions of cancellation
 H - 5 potions of magic
 J - 3 potions of berserk rage
 K - a potion of brilliance
 S - 3 potions of haste
 T - 4 potions of agility
 U - 6 potions of resistance
 Z - a potion of mutation
Miscellaneous
 f - a removed stone of tremors
 u - a phantom mirror
 Y - a fan of gales
Comestibles
 g - 27 fruits
 q - 7 meat rations
 A - 9 bread rations


   Skills:
 * Level 20.8 Fighting
   Level 6.0(10.9) Polearms
 - Level 13.9(14.3) Staves
 - Level 20.7 Bows
 - Level 13.3 Armour
 * Level 16.4 Dodging
 - Level 5.4 Stealth


You have 21 spell levels left.
You don't know any spells.

Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations

Branches:
Dungeon (15/15)            Temple (0/1) D:4            Lair (8/8) D:8
  Swamp (4/4) Lair:4        Snake (4/4) Lair:4        Slime (0/6) Lair:6
    Orc (2/2) D:11            Elf (3/3) Orc:2        Vaults (4/5) D:13
  Crypt (0/3) Vaults:3     Depths (2/5) D:15       

Altars:
Ashenzari
Gozag
Hepliaklqana
Makhleb
Nemelex Xobeh
Pakellas
Ru
Sif Muna
Trog
Vehumet
Xom
The Shining One
Beogh

Shops:
D:9 *?[::   D:10 %*==   D:11 (   D:14 %   Orc:1 **[   Orc:2 ![[:
Elf:1 [   Snake:2 %   Snake:4 (   Vaults:2 !:*%   Depths:1 [

Portals:
Hell: Lair:8 Depths:1
Pandemonium: Depths:1

Annotations:
Lair:6 exclusion: 2 oklob plants


Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations

You have hooves in place of feet.
Armour fits poorly on your strangely shaped body.
You cover ground very quickly.
You have extremely tough skin. (AC +3)
You have sharp fingernails.
You are partially covered in rough black scales. (AC +4, Dex -1)
You are agile. (Dex +2)
Your natural rate of healing is unusually fast.
You are resistant to electric shocks. (rElec)
You are weak. (Str -2)
You evolve.



[ajon]

There's my centaur win. Think I will try a Chei Naga next just not sure what background to go with. Probably pick something that's usually a hard start and just roll with whatever the dungeon gives me. Naga's look pretty strong to begin with.

Quarterstaff was a good investment. Probbaly not as damaging as a bardiche would have been but I was able to put a lot more into my defenses and my bow was my main offense and I rarely needed the staff past Lair/Orc or so. Ended up using the velocity bow for Crypt and V5, switched back to the ice bow for Zot.

  Code:

Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.19-a0-330-g034cfd4 (webtiles) character file.

1524086 mahalanobis the Conqueror (level 27, 218/218 HPs)
             Began as a Centaur Berserker on May 27, 2016.
             Was the Champion of Trog.
             Escaped with the Orb
             ... and 3 runes on May 28, 2016!
             
             The game lasted 06:39:49 (105340 turns).

mahalanobis the Conqueror (Centaur Berserker)     Turns: 105340, Time: 06:39:49

Health: 218/218    AC: 53    Str: 28    XL:     27
Magic:  29/29      EV: 23    Int:  6    God:    Trog [******]
Gold:   5614       SH:  0    Dex: 19    Spells: 0 memorised, 26 levels left

rFire  + + .      SeeInvis +    k - +5 longbow (freeze)
rCold  + + .      Gourm    .    c - +3 gold dragon armour
rNeg   + . .      Faith    .    (shield currently unavailable)
rPois  +          Spirit   .    e - +2 helmet {SInv}
rElec  .          Dismiss  .    O - +2 cloak {rPois}
rCorr  .          Reflect  .    P - +2 pair of gloves {archery}
SustAt .          Harm     .    z - +1 centaur barding "Coalun" {+Inv Str+3}
MR     ++...                    D - amulet of regeneration
Stlth  ..........               I - ring of Shaolin {EV+8}
                                C - ring "Anuat" {+Fly rF+ rC+ rN+ Dex+4}

@: very slightly contaminated, studying Invocations, very quick, very resistant
to hostile enchantments, extremely unstealthy
A: claws 2, hooves 3, rough black scales 2, thin metallic scales 1, camouflage
1, blurry vision 1, deformed body, speed 2, frail 2, regeneration 1, tough skin
3
a: Berserk, Trog's Hand, Brothers in Arms, Burn Spellbooks, Renounce Religion,
Evoke Invisibility, Evoke Flight
0: Orb of Zot
}: 3/15 runes: decaying, serpentine, silver


You escaped.
You worshipped Trog.
Trog was exalted by your worship.
You were not hungry.

You visited 10 branches of the dungeon, and saw 54 of its levels.
You visited the Abyss 1 time.
You visited 1 ziggurat, and saw 11 of its levels.
You also visited: Trove and Ice Cave.

You collected 11085 gold pieces.
You spent 5471 gold pieces at shops.

Inventory:

Hand Weapons
 k - a +5 longbow of freezing (weapon)
 N - a +8 lajatang of electrocution
 R - a +7 longbow of velocity
Missiles
 x - 2025 arrows (quivered)
Armour
 c - a +3 gold dragon armour (worn)
 e - a +2 helmet of see invisible (worn)
 z - the +1 centaur barding "Coalun" (worn) {+Inv Str+3}
   (You found it on level 8 of the Lair of Beasts)   
   
   It affects your strength (+3).
   It lets you turn invisible.
 O - a +2 cloak of poison resistance (worn)
 P - a +2 pair of gloves of archery (worn)
Jewellery
 C - the ring "Anuat" (left hand) {+Fly rF+ rC+ rN+ Dex+4}
   (You found it on level 9 of a ziggurat)   
   
   [ring of protection from cold]
   
   It affects your dexterity (+4).
   It protects you from fire.
   It protects you from cold.
   It protects you from negative energy.
   It lets you fly.
 D - an amulet of regeneration (around neck)
 E - a +4 amulet of reflection
 I - the ring of Shaolin (right hand) {EV+8}
   (You took it off a naga on level 4 of the Snake Pit)   
   
   [ring of evasion]
   
   It affects your evasion (+8).
 L - a +5 ring of slaying
 X - the ring "Roddul" {rN+ MR+ Dex+2}
   (You took it off a deep elf annihilator on level 3 of the Elven Halls)   
   
   [ring of positive energy]
   
   It affects your dexterity (+2).
   It protects you from negative energy.
   It affects your resistance to hostile enchantments.
Wands
 r - a wand of hasting (2/9)
 u - a wand of hasting (5/9)
 v - a wand of digging (3/24)
 Q - a wand of teleportation (5/9)
 Z - a wand of hasting (5/9)
Scrolls
 b - 27 scrolls of remove curse
 f - 6 scrolls of identify
 h - 12 scrolls of recharging
 i - 19 scrolls of teleportation
 j - 13 scrolls of blinking
 m - 12 scrolls of fog
 o - 3 scrolls of silence
 y - 7 scrolls of fear
 G - a scroll of summoning
 M - 2 scrolls of brand weapon
 W - 2 scrolls of holy word
Potions
 a - 2 potions of invisibility
 g - 3 potions of cure mutation
 n - 10 potions of might
 s - 7 potions of curing
 t - 6 potions of flight
 F - 2 potions of cancellation
 H - 6 potions of magic
 J - 3 potions of berserk rage
 K - a potion of brilliance
 T - 4 potions of agility
 U - 7 potions of resistance
Books
 V - a manual of Invocations
Miscellaneous
 l - a phantom mirror
 A - a removed stone of tremors
 Y - a fan of gales
Comestibles
 q - 10 meat rations


   Skills:
 O Level 27 Fighting
   Level 6.0(10.9) Polearms
 - Level 13.9(14.3) Staves
 - Level 20.7 Bows
 * Level 20.9 Armour
 * Level 21.1 Dodging
 - Level 5.4 Stealth
 - Level 8.8 Evocations


You had 26 spell levels left.
You didn't know any spells.

Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations

Branches:
Dungeon (15/15)            Temple (0/1) D:4            Lair (8/8) D:8
  Swamp (4/4) Lair:4        Snake (4/4) Lair:4        Slime (0/6) Lair:6
    Orc (2/2) D:11            Elf (3/3) Orc:2        Vaults (5/5) D:13
  Crypt (3/3) Vaults:3       Tomb (0/3) Crypt:3      Depths (5/5) D:15
    Zot (5/5) Depths:5   

Altars:
Ashenzari
Gozag
Hepliaklqana
Kikubaaqudgha
Makhleb
Nemelex Xobeh
Pakellas
Ru
Sif Muna
Trog
Vehumet
Xom
The Shining One
Beogh

Shops:
D:9 *?[::   D:10 %*==   D:11 (   D:14 %   Orc:1 **[   Orc:2 ![[:
Elf:1 [   Snake:2 %   Snake:4 (   Vaults:2 !:*%   Vaults:5 }   Depths:1 [
Depths:4 !

Portals:
Hell: Lair:8 Depths:1 Depths:2 Depths:3 Depths:4 Depths:5
Abyss: Depths:4
Pandemonium: Depths:1 Depths:3

Annotations:
Lair:6 exclusion: 2 oklob plants


Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations

You have hooves in place of feet.
Armour fits poorly on your strangely shaped body.
You cover ground very quickly.
You have extremely tough skin. (AC +3)
You have very sharp fingernails.
You are mostly covered in rough black scales. (AC +7, Dex -2)
You are partially covered in thin metallic scales. (AC +2)
Your skin changes colour to match your surroundings (Stealth+).
Scrolls take you a little longer to read.
You are very frail. (-20% HP)
Your natural rate of healing is unusually fast.