Which armor would be better? Feeling like a noob..

Tuesday, 21st April 2015, 05:24 by Gakhan

a +10 plate armour of ponderousness or a +0 crystal plate armour (i have 5 enchant armor scrolls) on a MiFi 29str 15 armor skill..

Code:: Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.16.1-16-gc44b35d (webtiles) character file. MeleeGod the Severer (Minotaur Fighter) Turns: 29703, Time: 02:38:47 Health: 140/145 AC: 36 Str: 29 XL: 15 Next: 82% Magic: 22/22 EV: 6 Int: 5 God: Okawaru [******] Gold: 2162 SH: 0 Dex: 13 Spells: 0 memorised, 14 levels left rFire . . . SeeInvis + a - +9 executioner's axe (venom) rCold + . . Clarity . U - +0 crystal plate armour rNeg . . . SustAb . (no shield) rPois + Gourm . c - +2 hat rElec . Spirit . n - +0 cloak rCorr . Warding . g - +2 pair of gloves rMut . Stasis . j - +3 pair of boots of Okawaru's Approval {rPois rC+ Str+3 Dex-2} MR +.... B - amulet of faith Stlth .......... Q - ring of see invisible Z - +4 ring of strength @: somewhat resistant to hostile enchantments, extremely unstealthy A: retaliatory headbutt, horns 2, molten scales 1, spit poison 2, MP-powered wands 1 a: Spit Poison, Heroism, Finesse, Renounce Religion You are on level 13 of the Dungeon. You worship Okawaru. Okawaru is exalted by your worship. You are hungry. You have visited 4 branches of the dungeon, and seen 26 of its levels. You have visited 1 bazaar. You have also visited: Labyrinth, Bailey and Ice Cave. You have collected 2838 gold pieces. You have spent 676 gold pieces at shops. Inventory: Hand weapons a - a +9 executioner's axe of venom (weapon) b - a +5 rapier of flaming f - the +7 dagger of the Poles {elec, rElec Str+4 Dex-5} (You found it on level 11 of the Dungeon) Occasionally, upon striking a foe, it will discharge some electrical energy and cause terrible harm. It affects your strength (+4). It affects your dexterity (-5). It insulates you from electricity. m - a +1 broad axe of draining I - a +2 antimagic battleaxe Missiles k - 37 sling bullets Armour c - a +2 hat (worn) g - a +2 pair of gloves (worn) j - the +3 pair of boots of Okawaru's Approval (worn) {rPois rC+ Str+3 Dex-2} (Okawaru gifted it to you on level 3 of the Lair of Beasts) It affects your strength (+3). It affects your dexterity (-2). It protects you from cold. It protects you from poison. n - a +0 cloak (worn) q - a +2 plate armour of poison resistance M - a +10 plate armour of ponderousness U - a +0 crystal plate armour (worn) Jewellery B - an amulet of faith (around neck) Q - a ring of see invisible (right hand) Z - a +4 ring of strength (left hand) Magical devices i - a wand of frost l - a wand of random effects {zapped: 8} p - a wand of polymorph t - a wand of digging {zapped: 2} u - a wand of flame C - a wand of digging E - a wand of disintegration G - a wand of fire {empty} H - a wand of lightning (3) O - a wand of heal wounds (3) Scrolls r - 3 scrolls of teleportation s - a scroll of acquirement v - a scroll of enchant weapon y - 5 scrolls of recharging z - 3 scrolls of fear D - 6 scrolls labeled SULYOQ ITOMUEF F - 5 scrolls of remove curse J - a scroll of magic mapping L - 5 scrolls of enchant armour Potions e - 2 potions of might o - 3 potions of flight w - 10 potions of curing A - a potion of magic K - 3 amethyst potions P - 2 potions of heal wounds R - 2 potions of berserk rage S - 2 potions of haste T - 2 cyan potions X - an orange potion Miscellaneous N - a box of beasts Comestibles d - 7 bread rations h - 2 slices of pizza V - 20 fruits Skills: + Level 16.6 Fighting + Level 20.1 Axes - Level 15.3 Armour Level 6.0 Shields - Level 8.0 Invocations + Level 6.6 Evocations You have 14 spell levels left. You don't know any spells. Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations Branches: Dungeon (13/15) Temple (1/1) D:4 Lair (8/8) D:10 Swamp (0/5) Lair:4 Spider (0/5) Lair:4 Slime (0/6) Lair:7 Orc (4/4) D:11 Elf (0/3) Orc:4 Vaults: D:13-14 Altars: Ashenzari Cheibriados Dithmenos Elyvilon Fedhas Gozag Kikubaaqudgha Makhleb Nemelex Xobeh Okawaru Qazlal Ru Sif Muna Trog Vehumet Xom Yredelemnul Zin The Shining One Beogh Jiyva Shops: Orc:1 % Orc:2 } Orc:4 (?(? Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations You reflexively headbutt those who attack you in melee. You have a pair of horns on your head. You are partially covered in molten scales (AC +1). You can spit moderately strong poison. You expend magic power (3 MP) to slightly strengthen your wands. Message History Read which item? (? for menu, Esc to quit) Enchant which weapon? (? for menu, Esc to quit) As you read the scroll of enchant weapon, it crumbles to dust. Your +7 executioner's axe of venom glows red for a moment. Read which item? (? for menu, Esc to quit) Enchant which weapon? (? for menu, Esc to quit) As you read the scroll of enchant weapon, it crumbles to dust. Your +8 executioner's axe of venom glows red for a moment. You start removing your armour. You continue taking off your +10 plate armour of ponderousness. x4 You finish taking off your +10 plate armour of ponderousness. That put a bit of spring back into your step. You start putting on your armour. You continue putting on your crystal plate armour. x5 You finish putting on your +0 crystal plate armour. There is a gate leading back out of this place here. Read which item? (? for menu, Esc to quit) Okay, then. Welcome back to the Dungeon! There is an empty arch of ancient stone here. ..# #.# ###.###.# .....##.# ####..##.############ ..................... ####..#..≈≈≈≈≈≈≈.#### #####..##)≈#####≈.# #####.>....(÷))#...# .# ...)..<...(#))).@∩.# # #####.####.##.≈#...# ...# #.##.≈##### #.#.# #.##.≈≈≈ #.#.# #.##..... . ..# #.#######. ## #.# #.# #.# #.# #.# #.. There are no monsters in sight! Vanquished Creatures An orc warlord (Orc:4) A dire elephant (Lair:8) Snorg (Lair:5) A minotaur (Lab) Josephine (Orc:3) A catoblepas (Lair:8) An ogre mage (Orc:4) 10 hydras 26 death yaks The ghost of Nagaseeker the Grappler, an experienced NaMo of Cheibriados (Bailey) A deep troll shaman (Lair:8) A tengu warrior (D:10) Urug (D:10) 5 orc high priests (Orc:4) An unseen horror (D:11) 6 hill giants Erolcha (D:9) A lindwurm (Lair:7) 3 ice statues (IceCv) 3 deep trolls (Orc:3) 6 orc knights 2 cyclopes An ugly thing (D:12) 16 elephants Joseph (D:9) A sixfirhy (Orc:4) A torpor snail (Lair:7) 5 black mambas A queen ant (Lair:3) A gargoyle (D:11) 8 spiny frogs 4 fire drakes 7 komodo dragons A tengu conjurer (D:10) 6 two-headed ogres 7 trolls Prince Ribbit (D:7) 22 blink frogs 2 ravens (D:10) 2 boulder beetles (Lair:3) 2 basilisks 5 slime creatures 2 deep elf magi 4 wraiths (Orc:3) Eustachio (D:5) 12 wolves 63 yaks A wyvern (Lair:1) A deep elf fighter (D:10) A hungry ghost (D:8) 3 steam dragons Edmund (D:6) 8 soldier ants (Lair:3) 10 hippogriffs 2 wargs (Orc:4) 3 sky beasts 48 orc warriors 10 porcupines 9 water moccasins 17 ice beasts 14 ogres 4 black bears 3 phantoms 2 centaurs (D:9) A boring beetle (Lair:7) 2 eyes of draining (D:11) 4 big kobolds Sigmund (D:7) Duvessa (D:7) 14 giant frogs 11 crocodiles A gnoll sergeant (D:10) Blork the orc (D:7) A cyclops zombie (D:12) A wyvern zombie (D:11) A wyvern skeleton (D:13) 7 killer bees 3 scorpions 11 wights An electric eel (Lair:4) A goliath beetle (D:9) Dowan (D:7) 2 giant frog zombies 3 crimson imps 4 centaur zombies 35 orc priests 2 jellies 6 iguanas 3 gnoll shamans A centaur skeleton (D:11) 25 orc wizards 2 giant frog skeletons (D:11) 13 hounds 27 worker ants 22 sheep A hound skeleton (D:7) 63 gnolls 60 river rats A shadow imp (D:12) 17 adders 2 worms An adder zombie (D:9) 10 giant geckos 232 orcs 20 bats A bat skeleton (D:5) 4 giant cockroaches 32 goblins 21 hobgoblins 24 jackals 18 kobolds 10 quokkas A ball python (D:3) 3 giant newts A giant spore (D:8) 24 rats 2 ballistomycetes (D:8) 10 fungi 6 plants 1160 creatures vanquished. Vanquished Creatures (others) A crocodile (Lair:3) A rat (D:10) 7 fungi 7 plants (Lair:8) 16 creatures vanquished. Grand Total: 1176 creatures vanquished Notes Turn | Place | Note -------------------------------------------------------------- 0 | D:1 | MeleeGod, the Minotaur Fighter, began the quest for the Orb. 0 | D:1 | Reached XP level 1. HP: 19/19 MP: 1/1 423 | D:1 | Reached XP level 2. HP: 27/27 MP: 1/1 580 | D:1 | Reached skill level 4 in Fighting 751 | D:2 | Reached XP level 3. HP: 33/33 MP: 2/2 813 | D:2 | Found a deep blue altar of Sif Muna. 966 | D:2 | Found a shattered altar of Ashenzari. 1006 | D:2 | Reached XP level 4. HP: 34/41 MP: 2/2 1283 | D:3 | Noticed an ogre 1293 | D:3 | Reached skill level 5 in Axes 1293 | D:3 | Reached XP level 5. HP: 47/47 MP: 2/2 1300 | D:3 | Killed an ogre 1300 | D:3 | Reached skill level 5 in Fighting 1300 | D:3 | Reached XP level 6. HP: 23/56 MP: 1/3 1303 | D:3 | Reached skill level 5 in Armour 1328 | D:3 | Reached skill level 6 in Axes 1384 | D:3 | Noticed an orc warrior 1830 | D:3 | Reached XP level 7. HP: 56/62 MP: 3/3 1892 | D:3 | Reached skill level 7 in Axes 2289 | D:3 | Found an iron altar of Okawaru. 2309 | D:3 | Became a worshipper of Warmaster Okawaru 2505 | D:3 | Found a blossoming altar of Fedhas. 2844 | D:4 | Found an ancient bone altar of Kikubaaqudgha. 2927 | D:4 | Reached skill level 8 in Axes 3058 | D:4 | Found a staircase to the Ecumenical Temple. 3084 | Temple | Entered the Ecumenical Temple 3314 | D:4 | Got a warped hunting sling 3315 | D:4 | Identified the +3 hunting sling of Strireth {velocity, +Fly rN++} (You found it on level 4 of the Dungeon) 3660 | D:4 | Found a shadowy altar of Dithmenos. 3698 | D:5 | Entered Level 5 of the Dungeon 3789 | D:5 | Reached XP level 8. HP: 71/71 MP: 3/3 3846 | D:5 | Found a sparkling altar of Nemelex Xobeh. 3916 | D:5 | Noticed Eustachio 3941 | D:5 | Killed Eustachio 4098 | D:5 | Reached skill level 9 in Axes 4436 | D:5 | Acquired Okawaru's first power 4730 | D:6 | Found a basalt altar of Yredelemnul. 4802 | D:6 | Reached skill level 10 in Axes 4887 | D:6 | Noticed Edmund 4902 | D:6 | Killed Edmund 5009 | D:6 | Reached XP level 9. HP: 73/81 MP: 4/4 5114 | D:6 | Found a stormy altar of Qazlal. 5377 | D:7 | Noticed Sigmund 5384 | D:7 | Killed Sigmund 5476 | D:7 | Noticed Blork the orc 5478 | D:7 | Noticed Duvessa 5478 | D:7 | Noticed Dowan 5485 | D:7 | Killed Blork the orc 5495 | D:7 | Killed Duvessa 5500 | D:7 | Killed Dowan 5594 | D:7 | Noticed Prince Ribbit 5771 | D:7 | Killed Prince Ribbit 5771 | D:7 | Reached skill level 11 in Axes 6056 | D:8 | Found a radiant altar of Vehumet. 6056 | D:8 | Found a bloodstained altar of Trog. 6062 | D:8 | Found a snail-covered altar of Cheibriados. 6096 | D:8 | Found a sacrificial altar of Ru. 6424 | D:8 | Reached skill level 12 in Axes 7125 | D:8 | Reached XP level 10. HP: 61/91 MP: 4/4 7471 | D:9 | Noticed Erolcha 7488 | D:9 | Killed Erolcha 7796 | D:9 | Noticed a hill giant 7811 | D:9 | Killed a hill giant 7811 | D:9 | Acquired Okawaru's second power 7811 | D:9 | Reached skill level 10 in Fighting 7811 | D:9 | Reached skill level 13 in Axes 7897 | D:9 | Noticed Joseph 7915 | D:9 | Killed Joseph 8117 | D:9 | Noticed a hill giant 8127 | D:9 | Killed a hill giant 8127 | D:9 | Reached skill level 10 in Armour 8477 | D:10 | Entered Level 10 of the Dungeon 8510 | D:10 | Noticed Urug 8530 | D:10 | Killed Urug 8738 | D:10 | Reached skill level 14 in Axes 8893 | D:10 | Noticed a hill giant 8903 | D:10 | Killed a hill giant 8903 | D:10 | Reached XP level 11. HP: 68/101 MP: 4/4 9129 | D:10 | Noticed a hill giant 9138 | D:10 | Killed a hill giant 9717 | D:10 | Noticed a two-headed hydra 9730 | D:10 | Killed a two-headed hydra 9893 | D:10 | Received a gift from Okawaru 9943 | D:10 | Found a staircase to the Lair. 10146 | D:10 | Noticed a tengu warrior 10158 | D:10 | Reached skill level 15 in Axes 10176 | D:10 | Received a gift from Okawaru 10183 | D:10 | Killed a tengu warrior 10186 | D:10 | Got a steaming ring mail {god gift} 10305 | D:10 | Identified the +1 ring mail of the Harvest {rC- Regen+ MP+9 Dex+4 Stlth+} (Okawaru gifted it to you on level 10 of the Dungeon) 10564 | Lair:1 | Entered Level 1 of the Lair of Beasts 11050 | Lair:1 | Reached skill level 16 in Axes 11106 | Lair:1 | Reached XP level 12. HP: 112/112 MP: 5/5 11916 | Lair:1 | Received a gift from Okawaru 12770 | Lair:2 | Reached skill level 5 in Shields 13408 | Lair:3 | Noticed a six-headed hydra 13420 | Lair:3 | Killed a six-headed hydra 13420 | Lair:3 | Reached skill level 1 in Invocations 13585 | Lair:3 | Noticed a five-headed hydra 13596 | Lair:3 | Killed a five-headed hydra 14463 | Lair:3 | Received a gift from Okawaru 14474 | Lair:3 | Got a pair of pitted boots {god gift} 14628 | Lair:3 | Identified the +3 pair of boots of Okawaru's Approval {rPois rC+ Str+3 Dex-2} (Okawaru gifted it to you on level 3 of the Lair of Beasts) 15092 | Lair:4 | Reached XP level 13. HP: 115/122 MP: 13/13 15189 | Lair:4 | Found a labyrinth entrance. 15189 | Lair:4 | Noticed a seven-headed hydra 15191 | Lair:4 | Noticed an eight-headed hydra 15204 | Lair:4 | Killed a seven-headed hydra 15219 | Lair:4 | Killed an eight-headed hydra 15271 | Lab | Entered a labyrinth 15570 | Lab | Identified a scroll of acquirement 15870 | Lab | Identified the Volume of Creative Enchantment 15870 | Lab | Got a scintillating bone ring 15870 | Lab | Identified the Handbook of Clay 15871 | Lab | Got a crude ring mail 15874 | Lab | Identified the ring of Bradoos {Fire MR+ Int+4} (You found it in a labyrinth) 15887 | Lab | Identified the +3 ring mail "Equkhyd" {+Fly} (You found it in a labyrinth) 16278 | Lair:4 | Found a radiant altar of Vehumet. 16320 | Lair:4 | Found a staircase to the Swamp. 16744 | Lair:4 | Received a gift from Okawaru 16790 | Lair:4 | Found a hole to the Spider Nest. 17212 | Lair:5 | Noticed Snorg 17232 | Lair:5 | Killed Snorg 17467 | Lair:5 | Reached skill level 5 in Invocations 17472 | Lair:5 | Reached skill level 17 in Axes 17685 | Lair:5 | Received a gift from Okawaru 17804 | Lair:5 | Got a bloodstained hat 17815 | Lair:5 | Identified the -2 hat "Vameqe" {rPois rC++ Str-2 Int+6} (You acquired it on level 5 of the Lair of Beasts) 19218 | Lair:6 | Received a gift from Okawaru 19905 | Lair:7 | Found a viscous altar of Jiyva. 20014 | Lair:7 | Reached XP level 14. HP: 91/133 MP: 6/20 20678 | Lair:7 | Received a gift from Okawaru 20694 | Lair:7 | Reached skill level 15 in Armour 20959 | Lair:7 | Found a staircase to the Slime Pits. 21000 | Lair:7 | Reached skill level 15 in Fighting 21463 | Lair:8 | Entered Level 8 of the Lair of Beasts 21647 | Lair:8 | Reached skill level 18 in Axes 21666 | Lair:8 | Received a gift from Okawaru 21670 | Lair:8 | Reached skill level 1 in Evocations 22082 | Lair:8 | Received a gift from Okawaru 23521 | D:11 | Reached XP level 15. HP: 139/143 MP: 11/22 23529 | D:11 | Received a gift from Okawaru 23567 | D:11 | Got a jewelled dagger 23726 | D:11 | Identified Miewkia's Disquisition on Black Rituals 23772 | D:11 | Found a staircase to the Orcish Mines. 23804 | D:11 | Found a roughly hewn altar of Beogh. 23930 | D:11 | Gained mutation: You can spit poison. [mutagenic meat] 23931 | D:11 | Gained mutation: Armour fits poorly on your strangely shaped body. [mutagenic meat] 24118 | Lair:2 | Gained mutation: You can spit moderately strong poison. [potion of mutation] 24118 | Lair:2 | Gained mutation: Your flesh is cold resistant. [potion of mutation] 24118 | Lair:2 | Gained mutation: You are clumsy. (Dex -2) [potion of mutation] 24119 | Lair:2 | Lost mutation: You are clumsy. (Dex -2) [potion of mutation] 24119 | Lair:2 | Gained mutation: You are frail (-10% HP). [potion of mutation] 24119 | Lair:2 | Lost mutation: Your flesh is cold resistant. [potion of mutation] 24120 | Lair:2 | Lost mutation: You are frail (-10% HP). [potion of cure mutation] 24120 | Lair:2 | Lost mutation: Armour fits poorly on your strangely shaped body. [potion of cure mutation] 24257 | Orc:1 | Entered Level 1 of the Orcish Mines 24353 | Orc:2 | Found a frozen archway. 24442 | IceCv | Entered an ice cave 24472 | IceCv | Identified the Almanac of Mutagenic Bewitchment 24501 | IceCv | Reached skill level 19 in Axes 24758 | Orc:2 | Found Straif's Gadget Emporium. 25290 | Orc:1 | Found Cluokh Oheg's Food Shoppe. 25505 | Orc:3 | Noticed Josephine 25513 | Orc:3 | Killed Josephine 25875 | Orc:3 | Found a roughly hewn altar of Beogh. 25895 | Orc:3 | Received a gift from Okawaru 25904 | Orc:3 | Reached skill level 5 in Evocations 26359 | Orc:3 | Identified the +7 dagger of the Poles {elec, rElec Str+4 Dex-5} (You found it on level 11 of the Dungeon) 26451 | Orc:4 | Entered Level 4 of the Orcish Mines 26451 | Orc:4 | Found a staircase to the Elven Halls. 26498 | Orc:4 | Found a shimmering altar of Xom. 26511 | Orc:4 | Found a roughly hewn altar of Beogh. 27694 | Orc:4 | Received a gift from Okawaru 27700 | Orc:4 | Got a bloodstained chain mail {god gift} 27711 | Orc:4 | Identified the -3 chain mail of Defiance {+Blink rN+ Str-2 Int+2 Dex+4} (Okawaru gifted it to you on level 4 of the Orcish Mines) 28300 | Orc:4 | Found Ipsuv's Magic Scroll Shop. 28301 | Orc:4 | Found Soat's Weapon Shop. 28301 | Orc:4 | Found Thaufa's Weapon Shop. 28302 | Orc:4 | Found Brigih's Magic Scroll Boutique. 28320 | Orc:4 | Bought a scroll of acquirement for 676 gold pieces 28520 | D:12 | Found a flickering gateway to a bazaar. 28537 | Bazaar | Entered a bazaar 28542 | Bazaar | Found Utoost's Food Boutique. 28545 | Bazaar | Found Faneizxi's Magic Scroll Boutique. 28546 | Bazaar | Found Naim's General Store. 28547 | Bazaar | Found Tasua's Jewellery Boutique. 28851 | D:12 | Gained mutation: You are dopey. (Int -2) [mutagenic meat] 28852 | D:12 | Lost mutation: You are dopey. (Int -2) [mutagenic meat] 28853 | D:12 | Gained mutation: You expend magic power (3 MP) to slightly strengthen your wands. [mutagenic meat] 28854 | D:12 | Gained mutation: You are partially covered in molten scales (AC +1). [mutagenic meat] 28991 | D:12 | Reached skill level 20 in Axes 29205 | D:12 | Found a bloodstained altar of Trog. 29323 | D:13 | Found a flagged portal. 29363 | Bailey | Entered a bailey 29363 | Bailey | Noticed Nagaseeker's ghost (experienced NaMo) 29375 | Bailey | Killed Nagaseeker's ghost Action | 1- 3 | 4- 6 | 7- 9 | 10-12 | 13-15 || total -------------------------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------++------- Melee: War axe | 59 | | 8 | 860 | 25 || 952 Rapier | 41 | 98 | 522 | 52 | 57 || 770 Battleaxe | | | | | 483 || 483 Executioner's axe | | | | | 698 || 698 Fire: Hunting sling | | | 10 | | || 10 Invok: Heroism | | | | 1 | 3 || 4 Evoke: Wand | | | | 9 | 18 || 27 Use: Potion | | 1 | | 1 | 4 || 6 Scroll | | | 14 | 11 | 22 || 47 Stab: Distracted | | 1 | | | 1 || 2 Eat: Chunk | | 3 | 19 | 24 | 45 || 91 Beef jerky | | | | 1 | || 1 Fruit | | | | | 2 || 2 Royal jelly | | | | | 1 || 1 Meat ration | | | | | 1 || 1

Tuesday, 21st April 2015, 05:29 by Siegurt

Tuesday, 21st April 2015, 05:48 by Gakhan

i know.. As you read the scroll labeled SULYOQ ITOMUEF, it crumbles to dust.
_Wisps of shadow whirl around you... It was a scroll of summoning. .. just found them at the end of the bailey i just left, that i found the CPA at the end of

Tuesday, 21st April 2015, 06:12 by Gakhan

thanks Siegurt, the "i know" in my last post was answering the question (unasked) why am i carrying 6 unidentified scrolls so late lol :mrgreen:

Tuesday, 21st April 2015, 06:18 by Gakhan

ehh... which weapon? xD a +9 executioner's axe of venom or the +6 battleaxe of the Exiled Suns (weapon) {vamp, +Rage Str+4 Int+3 SInv
Stlth-}. i just got gifted? 20 axe skill..

Tuesday, 21st April 2015, 06:56 by nago

Decisively the battleaxe, because it is a decent base type weapon, as a good enough enchantment, and vamp is extremely good (it's by far the best brand in game) - you should understand why after trying it a bit. Also +rage is sweet and +4 str ins't bad.
You could try to rebrand the exec axe: if you get lucky you can switch to a +9 vamp exec axe, otherwise you could use it as switch for fighting dangerous things immune to vamp.
Keep in mind that in any case, you don't need to train a melee skill over 21/22 with oka, as it's extremely expensive, but it's smarter to rely on heroism during hard fight.

Tuesday, 21st April 2015, 13:37 by Sandman25

Plain battleaxe is better than plain executioner's axe before Axes 23-24 (depending on your stats/fighting) so there is no need to switch before that.

Tuesday, 21st April 2015, 14:43 by XuaXua

Unless you are a Centaur of Chei, don't wear Ponderousness.

Tuesday, 21st April 2015, 14:47 by wheals

Ponderousness is pretty reasonable on a centaur of not-chei too.

Tuesday, 21st April 2015, 14:47 by Sandman25

XuaXua wrote:Unless you are a Centaur of Chei, don't wear Ponderousness.

You might be interested to read this excellent post by nago.

Tuesday, 21st April 2015, 14:58 by nago

Sandman25 wrote:Plain battleaxe is better than plain executioner's axe before Axes 23-24 (depending on your stats/fighting) so there is no need to switch before that.

Are you sure? I thought an higher tier weapon would be better than the lower one slightly before lower one's min delay.
Probably I don't remember correctly, but I can't check right now with fsim

Btw, my last Ce ascended with a +10 plate of ponderness, as there wasn't a good plate, neither enough ?ea to make a decent alternative!

For a Ce is good, if nothing better is available.

Tuesday, 21st April 2015, 15:06 by Sandman25

Yes, I am sure, I was testing it yesterday (cannot share fsims now, they are on another computer). I had +9 executioner axe and +9 battleaxe, the latter was better at Axes 23 and worse at Axes 24 for my character. Battleaxe has base damage 15, executioner's axe has base damage 18, 20% difference. With Axes 23 Battleaxe has delay 0.7 (1.42 attacks per turn), Executioner's Axe has delay 0.85 (1.17 attacks per turn), 1.42*15/(1.17*18)=101%, about the same damage.

Tuesday, 21st April 2015, 15:23 by Gakhan

Thanks for the responses everyone! Think ill use the battle axe for now, until the crypts atleast.. and hope for a brand wep scroll for that ExAxe

Hoping to take this one home.. feeling good about my char

Tuesday, 21st April 2015, 16:30 by njvack

Gakhan wrote:Thanks for the responses everyone! Think ill use the battle axe for now, until the crypts atleast.. and hope for a brand wep scroll for that ExAxe Hoping to take this one home.. feeling good about my char

If you're not going to Tomb, you don't need to go to Crypt at all.

Tuesday, 21st April 2015, 19:59 by Siegurt

Sandman25 wrote:Yes, I am sure, I was testing it yesterday (cannot share fsims now, they are on another computer). I had +9 executioner axe and +9 battleaxe, the latter was better at Axes 23 and worse at Axes 24 for my character. Battleaxe has base damage 15, executioner's axe has base damage 18, 20% difference. With Axes 23 Battleaxe has delay 0.7 (1.42 attacks per turn), Executioner's Axe has delay 0.85 (1.17 attacks per turn), 1.42*15/(1.17*18)=101%, about the same damage.

Hm, I just fsimmed it, and a +0 exec axe beat a +0 battleaxe at 22 axes on a human with 20 fighting, 18 str/14 dex against a stone giant.

It depends on exactly how much fighting, strength and dex you have. (Also higher enchantment should favor the faster weapon slightly too)

But on the whole, they're pretty darn similar (to point where it is unlikely to make a difference)

Code:: a - a +0 battleaxe (weapon) Axes | AvHitDam | MaxDam | Accuracy | AvDam | AvTime | AvSpeed | AvEffDam 18 | 9.5 | 47 | 92% | 8.8 | 79 | 1.26 | 11.1 19 | 9.5 | 50 | 92% | 8.8 | 74 | 1.34 | 11.9 20 | 9.8 | 49 | 92% | 9.0 | 70 | 1.43 | 12.9 21 | 9.9 | 52 | 91% | 9.1 | 70 | 1.43 | 13.0 22 | 10.1 | 50 | 92% | 9.4 | 70 | 1.43 | 13.4 23 | 10.7 | 52 | 92% | 9.9 | 70 | 1.43 | 14.2 24 | 10.8 | 53 | 91% | 9.9 | 70 | 1.43 | 14.2 25 | 11.1 | 54 | 92% | 10.3 | 70 | 1.43 | 14.7 _b - a +0 executioner's axe (weapon) Axes | AvHitDam | MaxDam | Accuracy | AvDam | AvTime | AvSpeed | AvEffDa 18 | 12.2 | 57 | 91% | 11.2 | 110 | 0.91 | 10.2 19 | 12.6 | 62 | 92% | 11.6 | 105 | 0.96 | 11.1 20 | 13.0 | 61 | 91% | 11.8 | 99 | 1.01 | 12.0 21 | 12.9 | 59 | 90% | 11.7 | 94 | 1.06 | 12.4 22 | 13.2 | 60 | 92% | 12.2 | 90 | 1.12 | 13.5 23 | 13.6 | 58 | 92% | 12.5 | 84 | 1.19 | 14.9 24 | 14.0 | 58 | 92% | 13.0 | 80 | 1.25 | 16.3 25 | 14.4 | 62 | 91% | 13.2 | 75 | 1.33 | 17.6

Tuesday, 21st April 2015, 20:03 by Sandman25

I tested +9 weapons, Str 29, Dex 10. I don't remember Fighting and target (I did multiple tests), also the character was in CPA with high Armour.

Tuesday, 21st April 2015, 20:08 by Siegurt

Sandman25 wrote:I tested +9 weapons, Str 29, Dex 10. I don't remember Fighting and which target (I did multiple tests), also the character was in CPA with high Armour.

Same stats as my last fsim has the +9 weapons tied at 23.

Tuesday, 21st April 2015, 20:11 by Sandman25

Looks similar to what I got. I will post my fsims when I have a chance.

Tuesday, 21st April 2015, 22:26 by Sandman25

Oh, I tested +6 battleaxe of freezing vs +6 executioner's axe of freezing and it was a day before yesterday. +9 axes had different brands and couldn't be compared directly. Of course I don't remember Fighting.

Code:: Attack: Formicid Hunter vs. yak (4000 rounds) (2015/04/19/12:42:31) Formicid Hunter: XL 27 Str 25 Int 12 Dex 10 Wielding: +6 battleaxe of freezing, Skill: Axes yak: HD 7 AC 4 EV 7 Axes | AvHitDam | MaxDam | Accuracy | AvDam | AvTime | AvSpeed | AvEffDam 19 | 24.4 | 80 | 82% | 20.2 | 75 | 1.33 | 26.9 20 | 24.7 | 98 | 82% | 20.4 | 70 | 1.43 | 29.1 21 | 24.8 | 86 | 82% | 20.3 | 70 | 1.43 | 29.1 22 | 25.0 | 90 | 82% | 20.7 | 70 | 1.43 | 29.5 23 | 25.7 | 100 | 83% | 21.3 | 70 | 1.43 | 30.5 24 | 25.7 | 97 | 82% | 21.2 | 70 | 1.43 | 30.2 25 | 26.0 | 93 | 82% | 21.5 | 70 | 1.43 | 30.8 26 | 26.2 | 96 | 83% | 21.9 | 70 | 1.43 | 31.2 27 | 26.4 | 87 | 83% | 22.0 | 70 | 1.43 | 31.5

Code:: Attack: Formicid Hunter vs. yak (4000 rounds) (2015/04/19/12:43:10) Formicid Hunter: XL 27 Str 25 Int 12 Dex 10 Wielding: +6 executioner's axe of freezing, Skill: Axes yak: HD 7 AC 4 EV 7 Axes | AvHitDam | MaxDam | Accuracy | AvDam | AvTime | AvSpeed | AvEffDam 19 | 29.1 | 108 | 80% | 23.4 | 105 | 0.95 | 22.3 20 | 29.3 | 110 | 81% | 24.0 | 100 | 1.00 | 24.0 21 | 29.6 | 112 | 82% | 24.2 | 95 | 1.05 | 25.5 22 | 30.3 | 108 | 81% | 24.9 | 90 | 1.11 | 27.6 23 | 30.1 | 126 | 81% | 24.6 | 85 | 1.18 | 29.0 24 | 31.0 | 113 | 82% | 25.7 | 80 | 1.25 | 32.1 25 | 31.0 | 110 | 81% | 25.2 | 75 | 1.34 | 33.6 26 | 32.2 | 118 | 81% | 26.3 | 70 | 1.43 | 37.6 27 | 31.7 | 115 | 82% | 26.2 | 70 | 1.43 | 37.4

Tuesday, 21st April 2015, 23:48 by tasonir

#OLIATWANAWWIBATOWAAIFIWAWMT

Oh Look, It's Another Thread Where A Newbie Asks Which Weapon Is Better And The Only Way An Answer Is Found Is With A Wizard Mode Tool!

Wednesday, 22nd April 2015, 06:11 by Sprucery

I thought the answer was "they're both good enough, pick one" :)

(This comment does not mean that I would oppose giving the player more information about weapon damage.)

Wednesday, 22nd April 2015, 07:10 by rchandra

tasonir wrote:#OLIATWANAWWIBATOWAAIFIWAWMT

Oh Look, It's Another Thread Where A Newbie Asks Which Weapon Is Better And The Only Way An Answer Is Found Is With A Wizard Mode Tool!

Alternately, the answer is found by using the estimate of power = (damage / delay) where both values are told to you by the game. Sadly the effects of weapon brand and enchantment require a little complication, but if you're comparing a +6 battleaxe and a +6 exec of the same brand that formula will work fine.

Wednesday, 22nd April 2015, 07:25 by Magipi

rchandra wrote:
tasonir wrote:#OLIATWANAWWIBATOWAAIFIWAWMT

Oh Look, It's Another Thread Where A Newbie Asks Which Weapon Is Better And The Only Way An Answer Is Found Is With A Wizard Mode Tool!

Alternately, the answer is found by using the estimate of power = (damage / delay) where both values are told to you by the game. Sadly the effects of weapon brand and enchantment require a little complication, but if you're comparing a +6 battleaxe and a +6 exec of the same brand that formula will work fine.

This estimate completely collapses when the enemy has AC.

Wednesday, 22nd April 2015, 16:52 by Hurkyl

rchandra wrote:Alternately, the answer is found by using the estimate of power = (damage / delay) where both values are told to you by the game. Sadly the effects of weapon brand and enchantment require a little complication, but if you're comparing a +6 battleaxe and a +6 exec of the same brand that formula will work fine.

Actually, it's not told to you. Damage is essentially given by

Code:: damage = secret_number * base_damage + slaying

where the secret number is computed from stats, weapon type, and skills, and is at least 1 and typically less than 4.

And even then, crawl never said the formula looked anything like that; it could have been something dramatically different.

Wednesday, 22nd April 2015, 16:56 by Sandman25

And without knowledge of that secret number you don't know how much damage you are expected to deal to monsters with AC.

Wednesday, 22nd April 2015, 18:09 by rchandra

I'm not saying that this tells you the damage you did. I'm saying it lets you compare two weapons.

Wednesday, 22nd April 2015, 18:41 by Sandman25

rchandra wrote:I'm not saying that this tells you the damage you did. I'm saying it lets you compare two weapons.

Only for 0 AC monsters and even then it is wrong.

Executioner's axe (base 18), "average" damage per attack is S*18 - A, where S is secret number, A is 50% of monster AC. Average is in quotes because it is not really average damage, there will be many "no damage" attacks because of AC rolls but let's ignore it for now (yet it is very important!).
Battleaxe (base 15), "average" damage per attack is S*15 - A.
What weapon deals more damage per turn with Axes 22? If the following number is positive, then exec. is better. If it is negative, then battleaxe is better.
(S*18-A)*(1/0.9)-(S*15-A)*(1/0.7)=0.3A-S
As you can see we cannot determine sign if we don't know S.
With S=4 (almost maxed fighting), executioner's axe will be better than battleaxe vs monsters with A=13 (AC 26).
With S=2 (almost no fighting), executioner's axe will be better than battleaxe vs monsters with A=7 (AC 14).
Yet fsim shows that battleaxe is clearly better with 15 fighting than exec. axe vs monster with AC 4 where AC rolls can be almost ignored indeed. That's because it is not really S*base_damage-A, Str/Dex add some damage too but I am not crazy enough to try to calculate them in my mind (especially real average values)

Wednesday, 22nd April 2015, 22:59 by Gakhan

umm.. just found 2 more artefact armors lol.. got the +3 plate armour of the Oligarchy (worn) {rPois rN+ MR+ Str+7 Int-2} + the +0 plate armour of Listlessness {Slay+5} + the +10 plate armour of Absence {-Cast MR+ SInv} .. who would wear what? lol xD

Code:: Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.16.1-17-g773cdaf (webtiles) character file. MeleeGod the Executioner (Minotaur Fighter) Turns: 50879, Time: 05:12:09 Health: 207/207 AC: 32 Str: 28 XL: 20 Next: 62% Magic: 28/28 EV: 18 Int: 8 God: Okawaru [******] Gold: 4727 SH: 0 Dex: 21 Spells: 0 memorised, 19 levels left rFire + . . SeeInvis + m - +6 battleaxe of the Exiled Suns {vamp, +Rage Str+4 Int+3 SInv Stlth-} rCold . . . Clarity . s - +3 plate armour of the Oligarchy {rPois rN+ MR+ Str+7 Int-2} rNeg + . . SustAb . (no shield) rPois + Gourm . c - +2 hat rElec . Spirit . q - +1 cloak {+Inv} rCorr . Warding . K - +2 pair of gloves rMut . Stasis . u - +1 pair of boots {run} MR ++... B - amulet of faith Stlth .......... L - +4 ring of dexterity M - ring of Patience {rPois rF+ EV+2 Str-4 Int+2} @: studying Fighting, quick, very resistant to hostile enchantments, extremely unstealthy A: retaliatory headbutt, horns 2, molten scales 1, see invisible, spit poison 3, weak 1, MP-powered wands 1 a: Spit Poison, Heroism, Finesse, Renounce Religion, Evoke Berserk Rage, Evoke Invisibility }: 2/15 runes: decaying, gossamer You are on level 1 of the Vaults. You worship Okawaru. Okawaru is exalted by your worship. You are not hungry. You have visited 8 branches of the dungeon, and seen 42 of its levels. You have visited 1 bazaar. You have also visited: Labyrinth, Bailey and Ice Cave. You have collected 5523 gold pieces. You have spent 796 gold pieces at shops. Inventory: Hand weapons m - the +6 battleaxe of the Exiled Suns (weapon) {vamp, +Rage Str+4 Int+3 SInv Stlth-} (Okawaru gifted it to you on level 13 of the Dungeon) It inflicts no extra harm, but heals its wielder somewhat when it strikes a living foe. It affects your strength (+4). It affects your intelligence (+3). It enhances your eyesight. It lets you go berserk. It makes you less stealthy. I - the +7 war axe of Compulsion {flame, rPois rN+ MP+9 Str+5 Dex-4} (Okawaru gifted it to you on level 5 of the Spider Nest) It has been specially enchanted to burn those struck by it, causing extra injury to most foes and up to half again as much damage against particularly susceptible opponents. Big, fiery blades are also staple armaments of hydra-hunters. It affects your strength (+5). It affects your dexterity (-4). It protects you from poison. It protects you from negative energy. It affects your magic capacity (+9). Missiles g - 6 steel bolts i - 181 bolts j - 15 bolts of frost Armour c - a +2 hat (worn) k - the +0 plate armour of Listlessness {Slay+5} (Okawaru gifted it to you on level 1 of the Vaults) It affects your accuracy and damage with ranged weapons and melee attacks (+5). p - the +10 plate armour of Absence {-Cast MR+ SInv} (You found it on level 1 of the Vaults) It affects your resistance to hostile enchantments. It enhances your eyesight. It prevents spellcasting. q - a +1 cloak of invisibility (worn) s - the +3 plate armour of the Oligarchy (worn) {rPois rN+ MR+ Str+7 Int-2} (You acquired it on level 4 of the Spider Nest) It affects your strength (+7). It affects your intelligence (-2). It protects you from poison. It protects you from negative energy. It affects your resistance to hostile enchantments. u - a +1 pair of boots of running (worn) K - a +2 pair of gloves (worn) Rods U - a rod of destruction (You took it off a deep elf death mage on level 3 of the Elven Halls) Jewellery f - a ring of strength B - an amulet of faith (around neck) L - a +4 ring of dexterity (right hand) M - the ring of Patience (left hand) {rPois rF+ EV+2 Str-4 Int+2} (You took it off a deep elf conjurer on level 3 of the Elven Halls) [ring of evasion] It affects your evasion (+2). It affects your strength (-4). It affects your intelligence (+2). It protects you from fire. It protects you from poison. Magical devices a - a wand of lightning E - a wand of disintegration (13) H - a wand of digging O - a wand of heal wounds (3) T - a wand of draining {zapped: 3} Scrolls h - 10 scrolls of identify r - 8 scrolls of teleportation y - 8 scrolls of recharging F - 15 scrolls of remove curse J - a scroll of magic mapping Potions b - a potion of restore abilities e - 3 potions of might l - a potion of resistance o - 6 potions of flight w - 16 potions of curing P - 3 potions of heal wounds S - 5 potions of haste Books Z - a manual of Fighting Miscellaneous z - a phial of floods Comestibles d - 18 bread rations n - 6 chunks of flesh V - 31 fruits Skills: + Level 24.3 Fighting + Level 25.3 Axes - Level 15.3 Armour + Level 10.4 Dodging Level 6.0 Shields - Level 8.0 Invocations - Level 10.0 Evocations You have 19 spell levels left. You don't know any spells. Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations Branches: Dungeon (15/15) Temple (1/1) D:4 Lair (8/8) D:10 Swamp (5/5) Lair:4 Spider (5/5) Lair:4 Slime (0/6) Lair:7 Orc (4/4) D:11 Elf (3/3) Orc:4 Vaults (1/5) D:14 Depths (0/5) D:15 Altars: Ashenzari Cheibriados Dithmenos Elyvilon Fedhas Gozag Kikubaaqudgha Makhleb Nemelex Xobeh Okawaru Qazlal Ru Sif Muna Trog Vehumet Xom Yredelemnul Zin The Shining One Beogh Jiyva Shops: Orc:1 % Orc:2 } Orc:4 (?(? Elf:1 * Elf:2 } Portals: Trove: Elf:1 (give 2 scrolls of acquirement) Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations You reflexively headbutt those who attack you in melee. You have a pair of horns on your head. You are partially covered in molten scales (AC +1). You have supernaturally acute eyesight. You can spit strong poison. You are weak. (Str -2) You expend magic power (3 MP) to slightly strengthen your wands. Message History You start removing your armour. You continue taking off the +10 plate armour of Absence {-Cast MR+ SInv}. x4 You finish taking off the +10 plate armour of Absence {-Cast MR+ SInv}. You start putting on your armour. You continue putting on the +3 plate armour of the Oligarchy {rPois rN+ MR+ Str+7 Int-2}. x5 You finish putting on the +3 plate armour of the Oligarchy {rPois rN+ MR+ Str+7 Int-2}. Wear which item? (? for menu, Esc to quit) You start removing your armour. You continue taking off the +3 plate armour of the Oligarchy {rPois rN+ MR+ Str+7 Int-2}. x4 You finish taking off the +3 plate armour of the Oligarchy {rPois rN+ MR+ Str+7 Int-2}. You start putting on your armour. You continue putting on the +0 plate armour of Listlessness {Slay+5}. x5 You finish putting on the +0 plate armour of Listlessness {Slay+5}. Wear which item? (? for menu, Esc to quit) You start removing your armour. You continue taking off the +0 plate armour of Listlessness {Slay+5}. x4 You finish taking off the +0 plate armour of Listlessness {Slay+5}. You start putting on your armour. You continue putting on the +3 plate armour of the Oligarchy {rPois rN+ MR+ Str+7 Int-2}. x5 You finish putting on the +3 plate armour of the Oligarchy {rPois rN+ MR+ Str+7 Int-2}. ####..#......#.#'#)#...##..##...# ...)..)......#.#.#.#'###....###'# ..)...#......'.#'#.'............' ).))..#......#.#.#.'............# #######......#.#'#.#'###....###'# ########.#.#.#...##..##...# #.#.#.#....#..#....' #)#)#.############## #.#@#(# # #.#[#.# # ##############.###.# # '............'.....# #............#''######### #............+.[........# #.......^....#..).......# #............#..........# #............#..........# There are no monsters in sight! Vanquished Creatures 2 deep elf master archers (Elf:3) Asterion (Swamp:3) 3 deep elf blademasters (Elf:3) The ghost of gekko the Severer, a mighty MiFi of Qazlal (Swamp:2) 2 thorn hunters A shadow dragon (Vaults:1) Kirke (Spider:1) Frances (Swamp:5) Roxanne (Spider:3) Donald (Swamp:3) Wiglaf (Swamp:3) An orc warlord (Orc:4) 4 vault wardens (Vaults:1) Louise (Swamp:4) 7 deep elf sorcerers (Elf:3) 6 ghost moths 6 emperor scorpions 9 ironheart preservers 3 rakshasas (Vaults:1) 2 stone giants (Vaults:1) 5 deep elf demonologists (Elf:3) 14 deep elf annihilators 2 dire elephants Snorg (Lair:5) 4 deep elf death magi (Elf:3) A minotaur (Lab) Josephine (Orc:3) 5 deep elf high priests (Elf:3) Fannar (Elf:2) A yaktaur captain (Vaults:1) 3 vault guards An ice dragon (Vaults:1) 4 centaur warriors A catoblepas (Lair:8) 5 ogre magi Erica (D:14) 27 hydras A deep troll earth mage (Vaults:1) 5 alligators 15 dancing weapons (Elf:2) 26 death yaks The ghost of Nagaseeker the Grappler, an experienced NaMo of Cheibriados (Bailey) A deep troll shaman (Lair:8) 3 tengu warriors Urug (D:10) 6 orc high priests An ice devil (Elf:3) 10 deep elf knights A shadow wraith (Vaults:1) 4 shambling mangroves 2 unseen horrors 16 deep elf summoners 4 ironbrand convokers (Vaults:1) 4 spriggan druids 13 hill giants Erolcha (D:9) 13 swamp dragons A lindwurm (Lair:7) 3 ice statues (IceCv) 6 deep trolls 3 griffons A wizard (D:13) 11 hornets 24 deep elf conjurers 3 manticores 37 wolf spiders 20 orb spiders 8 orc knights A moth of wrath (shapeshifter) (Elf:1) 2 orc sorcerers 4 cyclopes 6 ugly things 2 moths of wrath 16 elephants 8 vault sentinels (Vaults:1) Joseph (D:9) A sixfirhy (Orc:4) 4 torpor snails 5 black mambas A queen ant (Lair:3) 2 gargoyles 15 spiny frogs A smoke demon (D:14) 4 fire drakes 4 kobold demonologists 12 demonic crawlers 10 deep elf priests A queen bee (Spider:1) 8 komodo dragons A tengu conjurer (D:10) 7 yaktaurs (Vaults:1) An elf (shapeshifter) (D:14) A blink frog (shapeshifter) (D:13) 4 giant leeches 14 two-headed ogres 30 jumping spiders 10 trolls A two-headed ogre (shapeshifter) (Elf:2) Prince Ribbit (D:7) 22 blink frogs 5 bog bodies 14 ravens 2 baby alligators (Swamp:3) 3 boulder beetles A hellwing (Elf:3) 3 basilisks 29 slime creatures 10 spriggans 22 trapdoor spiders 20 deep elf magi 2 shadows 4 wraiths (Orc:3) A ynoxinul (D:14) A neqoxec (Elf:3) Eustachio (D:5) 27 tarantellas 12 wolves 44 redbacks 26 vampire mosquitoes 71 yaks A wyvern (Lair:1) 29 deep elf fighters 2 hungry ghosts A hog (shapeshifter) (Elf:3) 3 steam dragons 5 hogs (Spider:1) Edmund (D:6) 10 soldier ants 30 swamp worms 11 hippogriffs 9 insubstantial wisps 2 mottled dragons 3 wargs 5 sky beasts 56 orc warriors 10 porcupines 21 spiders 14 water moccasins 17 swamp drakes 19 ice beasts 30 ogres 4 black bears 10 wasps 4 phantoms 12 centaurs A boring beetle (Lair:7) 3 eyes of draining 5 big kobolds Sigmund (D:7) Duvessa (D:7) A human zombie (Vaults:1) 16 giant frogs 13 crocodiles A gnoll sergeant (D:10) Blork the orc (D:7) A cyclops zombie (D:12) A wyvern zombie (D:11) A wyvern skeleton (D:13) 39 killer bees 5 scorpions 21 wights An electric eel (Lair:4) A goliath beetle (D:9) Dowan (D:7) 2 giant frog zombies 4 crimson imps 5 centaur zombies An iron imp (D:14) 37 orc priests 3 jellies 7 iguanas 3 gnoll shamans A yaktaur simulacrum (Vaults:1) 5 centaur skeletons 31 orc wizards 2 giant frog skeletons (D:11) 12 hell rats 14 hounds 29 worker ants 22 sheep A hound skeleton (D:7) A mummy (D:14) 63 gnolls 60 river rats 4 shadow imps 17 adders 3 ufetubi (D:14) 2 worms An adder zombie (D:9) 10 giant geckos 244 orcs 20 bats A bat skeleton (D:5) 4 giant cockroaches 32 goblins 21 hobgoblins 24 jackals 25 kobolds 10 quokkas A ball python (D:3) 3 giant newts 2 giant spores 24 rats 3 ballistomycetes 7 briar patches (Swamp:4) 2 crawling corpses (Elf:3) 10 fungi 6 plants 2076 creatures vanquished. Vanquished Creatures (collateral kills) A deep elf sorcerer (Elf:3) A hydra (D:12) A deep elf mage (Elf:3) 3 creatures vanquished. Vanquished Creatures (others) Nikola (Swamp:1) A tarantella (Spider:5) A crocodile (Lair:3) A lost soul (Elf:3) 2 centaurs (D:15) A rat (D:10) A briar patch (Swamp:4) 7 fungi 8 plants 23 creatures vanquished. Grand Total: 2102 creatures vanquished Notes Turn | Place | Note -------------------------------------------------------------- 0 | D:1 | MeleeGod, the Minotaur Fighter, began the quest for the Orb. 0 | D:1 | Reached XP level 1. HP: 19/19 MP: 1/1 423 | D:1 | Reached XP level 2. HP: 27/27 MP: 1/1 580 | D:1 | Reached skill level 4 in Fighting 751 | D:2 | Reached XP level 3. HP: 33/33 MP: 2/2 813 | D:2 | Found a deep blue altar of Sif Muna. 966 | D:2 | Found a shattered altar of Ashenzari. 1006 | D:2 | Reached XP level 4. HP: 34/41 MP: 2/2 1283 | D:3 | Noticed an ogre 1293 | D:3 | Reached skill level 5 in Axes 1293 | D:3 | Reached XP level 5. HP: 47/47 MP: 2/2 1300 | D:3 | Killed an ogre 1300 | D:3 | Reached skill level 5 in Fighting 1300 | D:3 | Reached XP level 6. HP: 23/56 MP: 1/3 1303 | D:3 | Reached skill level 5 in Armour 1328 | D:3 | Reached skill level 6 in Axes 1384 | D:3 | Noticed an orc warrior 1830 | D:3 | Reached XP level 7. HP: 56/62 MP: 3/3 1892 | D:3 | Reached skill level 7 in Axes 2289 | D:3 | Found an iron altar of Okawaru. 2309 | D:3 | Became a worshipper of Warmaster Okawaru 2505 | D:3 | Found a blossoming altar of Fedhas. 2844 | D:4 | Found an ancient bone altar of Kikubaaqudgha. 2927 | D:4 | Reached skill level 8 in Axes 3058 | D:4 | Found a staircase to the Ecumenical Temple. 3084 | Temple | Entered the Ecumenical Temple 3314 | D:4 | Got a warped hunting sling 3315 | D:4 | Identified the +3 hunting sling of Strireth {velocity, +Fly rN++} (You found it on level 4 of the Dungeon) 3660 | D:4 | Found a shadowy altar of Dithmenos. 3698 | D:5 | Entered Level 5 of the Dungeon 3789 | D:5 | Reached XP level 8. HP: 71/71 MP: 3/3 3846 | D:5 | Found a sparkling altar of Nemelex Xobeh. 3916 | D:5 | Noticed Eustachio 3941 | D:5 | Killed Eustachio 4098 | D:5 | Reached skill level 9 in Axes 4436 | D:5 | Acquired Okawaru's first power 4730 | D:6 | Found a basalt altar of Yredelemnul. 4802 | D:6 | Reached skill level 10 in Axes 4887 | D:6 | Noticed Edmund 4902 | D:6 | Killed Edmund 5009 | D:6 | Reached XP level 9. HP: 73/81 MP: 4/4 5114 | D:6 | Found a stormy altar of Qazlal. 5377 | D:7 | Noticed Sigmund 5384 | D:7 | Killed Sigmund 5476 | D:7 | Noticed Blork the orc 5478 | D:7 | Noticed Duvessa 5478 | D:7 | Noticed Dowan 5485 | D:7 | Killed Blork the orc 5495 | D:7 | Killed Duvessa 5500 | D:7 | Killed Dowan 5594 | D:7 | Noticed Prince Ribbit 5771 | D:7 | Killed Prince Ribbit 5771 | D:7 | Reached skill level 11 in Axes 6056 | D:8 | Found a radiant altar of Vehumet. 6056 | D:8 | Found a bloodstained altar of Trog. 6062 | D:8 | Found a snail-covered altar of Cheibriados. 6096 | D:8 | Found a sacrificial altar of Ru. 6424 | D:8 | Reached skill level 12 in Axes 7125 | D:8 | Reached XP level 10. HP: 61/91 MP: 4/4 7471 | D:9 | Noticed Erolcha 7488 | D:9 | Killed Erolcha 7796 | D:9 | Noticed a hill giant 7811 | D:9 | Killed a hill giant 7811 | D:9 | Acquired Okawaru's second power 7811 | D:9 | Reached skill level 10 in Fighting 7811 | D:9 | Reached skill level 13 in Axes 7897 | D:9 | Noticed Joseph 7915 | D:9 | Killed Joseph 8117 | D:9 | Noticed a hill giant 8127 | D:9 | Killed a hill giant 8127 | D:9 | Reached skill level 10 in Armour 8477 | D:10 | Entered Level 10 of the Dungeon 8510 | D:10 | Noticed Urug 8530 | D:10 | Killed Urug 8738 | D:10 | Reached skill level 14 in Axes 8893 | D:10 | Noticed a hill giant 8903 | D:10 | Killed a hill giant 8903 | D:10 | Reached XP level 11. HP: 68/101 MP: 4/4 9129 | D:10 | Noticed a hill giant 9138 | D:10 | Killed a hill giant 9717 | D:10 | Noticed a two-headed hydra 9730 | D:10 | Killed a two-headed hydra 9893 | D:10 | Received a gift from Okawaru 9943 | D:10 | Found a staircase to the Lair. 10146 | D:10 | Noticed a tengu warrior 10158 | D:10 | Reached skill level 15 in Axes 10176 | D:10 | Received a gift from Okawaru 10183 | D:10 | Killed a tengu warrior 10186 | D:10 | Got a steaming ring mail {god gift} 10305 | D:10 | Identified the +1 ring mail of the Harvest {rC- Regen+ MP+9 Dex+4 Stlth+} (Okawaru gifted it to you on level 10 of the Dungeon) 10564 | Lair:1 | Entered Level 1 of the Lair of Beasts 11050 | Lair:1 | Reached skill level 16 in Axes 11106 | Lair:1 | Reached XP level 12. HP: 112/112 MP: 5/5 11916 | Lair:1 | Received a gift from Okawaru 12770 | Lair:2 | Reached skill level 5 in Shields 13408 | Lair:3 | Noticed a six-headed hydra 13420 | Lair:3 | Killed a six-headed hydra 13420 | Lair:3 | Reached skill level 1 in Invocations 13585 | Lair:3 | Noticed a five-headed hydra 13596 | Lair:3 | Killed a five-headed hydra 14463 | Lair:3 | Received a gift from Okawaru 14474 | Lair:3 | Got a pair of pitted boots {god gift} 14628 | Lair:3 | Identified the +3 pair of boots of Okawaru's Approval {rPois rC+ Str+3 Dex-2} (Okawaru gifted it to you on level 3 of the Lair of Beasts) 15092 | Lair:4 | Reached XP level 13. HP: 115/122 MP: 13/13 15189 | Lair:4 | Found a labyrinth entrance. 15189 | Lair:4 | Noticed a seven-headed hydra 15191 | Lair:4 | Noticed an eight-headed hydra 15204 | Lair:4 | Killed a seven-headed hydra 15219 | Lair:4 | Killed an eight-headed hydra 15271 | Lab | Entered a labyrinth 15570 | Lab | Identified a scroll of acquirement 15870 | Lab | Identified the Volume of Creative Enchantment 15870 | Lab | Got a scintillating bone ring 15870 | Lab | Identified the Handbook of Clay 15871 | Lab | Got a crude ring mail 15874 | Lab | Identified the ring of Bradoos {Fire MR+ Int+4} (You found it in a labyrinth) 15887 | Lab | Identified the +3 ring mail "Equkhyd" {+Fly} (You found it in a labyrinth) 16278 | Lair:4 | Found a radiant altar of Vehumet. 16320 | Lair:4 | Found a staircase to the Swamp. 16744 | Lair:4 | Received a gift from Okawaru 16790 | Lair:4 | Found a hole to the Spider Nest. 17212 | Lair:5 | Noticed Snorg 17232 | Lair:5 | Killed Snorg 17467 | Lair:5 | Reached skill level 5 in Invocations 17472 | Lair:5 | Reached skill level 17 in Axes 17685 | Lair:5 | Received a gift from Okawaru 17804 | Lair:5 | Got a bloodstained hat 17815 | Lair:5 | Identified the -2 hat "Vameqe" {rPois rC++ Str-2 Int+6} (You acquired it on level 5 of the Lair of Beasts) 19218 | Lair:6 | Received a gift from Okawaru 19905 | Lair:7 | Found a viscous altar of Jiyva. 20014 | Lair:7 | Reached XP level 14. HP: 91/133 MP: 6/20 20678 | Lair:7 | Received a gift from Okawaru 20694 | Lair:7 | Reached skill level 15 in Armour 20959 | Lair:7 | Found a staircase to the Slime Pits. 21000 | Lair:7 | Reached skill level 15 in Fighting 21463 | Lair:8 | Entered Level 8 of the Lair of Beasts 21647 | Lair:8 | Reached skill level 18 in Axes 21666 | Lair:8 | Received a gift from Okawaru 21670 | Lair:8 | Reached skill level 1 in Evocations 22082 | Lair:8 | Received a gift from Okawaru 23521 | D:11 | Reached XP level 15. HP: 139/143 MP: 11/22 23529 | D:11 | Received a gift from Okawaru 23567 | D:11 | Got a jewelled dagger 23726 | D:11 | Identified Miewkia's Disquisition on Black Rituals 23772 | D:11 | Found a staircase to the Orcish Mines. 23804 | D:11 | Found a roughly hewn altar of Beogh. 23930 | D:11 | Gained mutation: You can spit poison. [mutagenic meat] 23931 | D:11 | Gained mutation: Armour fits poorly on your strangely shaped body. [mutagenic meat] 24118 | Lair:2 | Gained mutation: You can spit moderately strong poison. [potion of mutation] 24118 | Lair:2 | Gained mutation: Your flesh is cold resistant. [potion of mutation] 24118 | Lair:2 | Gained mutation: You are clumsy. (Dex -2) [potion of mutation] 24119 | Lair:2 | Lost mutation: You are clumsy. (Dex -2) [potion of mutation] 24119 | Lair:2 | Gained mutation: You are frail (-10% HP). [potion of mutation] 24119 | Lair:2 | Lost mutation: Your flesh is cold resistant. [potion of mutation] 24120 | Lair:2 | Lost mutation: You are frail (-10% HP). [potion of cure mutation] 24120 | Lair:2 | Lost mutation: Armour fits poorly on your strangely shaped body. [potion of cure mutation] 24257 | Orc:1 | Entered Level 1 of the Orcish Mines 24353 | Orc:2 | Found a frozen archway. 24442 | IceCv | Entered an ice cave 24472 | IceCv | Identified the Almanac of Mutagenic Bewitchment 24501 | IceCv | Reached skill level 19 in Axes 24758 | Orc:2 | Found Straif's Gadget Emporium. 25290 | Orc:1 | Found Cluokh Oheg's Food Shoppe. 25505 | Orc:3 | Noticed Josephine 25513 | Orc:3 | Killed Josephine 25875 | Orc:3 | Found a roughly hewn altar of Beogh. 25895 | Orc:3 | Received a gift from Okawaru 25904 | Orc:3 | Reached skill level 5 in Evocations 26359 | Orc:3 | Identified the +7 dagger of the Poles {elec, rElec Str+4 Dex-5} (You found it on level 11 of the Dungeon) 26451 | Orc:4 | Entered Level 4 of the Orcish Mines 26451 | Orc:4 | Found a staircase to the Elven Halls. 26498 | Orc:4 | Found a shimmering altar of Xom. 26511 | Orc:4 | Found a roughly hewn altar of Beogh. 27694 | Orc:4 | Received a gift from Okawaru 27700 | Orc:4 | Got a bloodstained chain mail {god gift} 27711 | Orc:4 | Identified the -3 chain mail of Defiance {+Blink rN+ Str-2 Int+2 Dex+4} (Okawaru gifted it to you on level 4 of the Orcish Mines) 28300 | Orc:4 | Found Ipsuv's Magic Scroll Shop. 28301 | Orc:4 | Found Soat's Weapon Shop. 28301 | Orc:4 | Found Thaufa's Weapon Shop. 28302 | Orc:4 | Found Brigih's Magic Scroll Boutique. 28320 | Orc:4 | Bought a scroll of acquirement for 676 gold pieces 28520 | D:12 | Found a flickering gateway to a bazaar. 28537 | Bazaar | Entered a bazaar 28542 | Bazaar | Found Utoost's Food Boutique. 28545 | Bazaar | Found Faneizxi's Magic Scroll Boutique. 28546 | Bazaar | Found Naim's General Store. 28547 | Bazaar | Found Tasua's Jewellery Boutique. 28851 | D:12 | Gained mutation: You are dopey. (Int -2) [mutagenic meat] 28852 | D:12 | Lost mutation: You are dopey. (Int -2) [mutagenic meat] 28853 | D:12 | Gained mutation: You expend magic power (3 MP) to slightly strengthen your wands. [mutagenic meat] 28854 | D:12 | Gained mutation: You are partially covered in molten scales (AC +1). [mutagenic meat] 28991 | D:12 | Reached skill level 20 in Axes 29205 | D:12 | Found a bloodstained altar of Trog. 29323 | D:13 | Found a flagged portal. 29363 | Bailey | Entered a bailey 29363 | Bailey | Noticed Nagaseeker's ghost (experienced NaMo) 29375 | Bailey | Killed Nagaseeker's ghost 30348 | D:13 | Received a gift from Okawaru 30358 | D:13 | Got an encrusted battleaxe {god gift} 30415 | D:13 | Identified the +6 battleaxe of the Exiled Suns {vamp, +Rage Str+4 Int+3 SInv Stlth-} (Okawaru gifted it to you on level 13 of the Dungeon) 30502 | D:14 | Noticed Erica 30512 | D:14 | Killed Erica 30513 | D:14 | Reached XP level 16. HP: 154/154 MP: 23/23 31086 | D:14 | Received a gift from Okawaru 31319 | D:14 | Found a gate to the Vaults. 31421 | D:15 | Entered Level 15 of the Dungeon 31478 | D:15 | Upgraded the game from 0.16.1-16-gc44b35d to 0.16.1-17-g773cdaf 31614 | D:15 | Found a staircase to the Depths. 31693 | D:15 | Gained mutation: You have supernaturally acute eyesight. [mutagenic meat] 31694 | D:15 | Gained mutation: You are covered in fur (AC +1). [mutagenic meat] 31695 | D:15 | Lost mutation: You expend magic power (3 MP) to slightly strengthen your wands. [mutagenic meat] 31697 | D:15 | Gained mutation: Armour fits poorly on your strangely shaped body. [mutagenic meat] 31698 | D:15 | Gained mutation: You expend magic power (3 MP) to slightly strengthen your wands. [mutagenic meat] 31699 | D:15 | Gained mutation: You can spit strong poison. [mutagenic meat] 31700 | D:15 | Lost mutation: You are covered in fur (AC +1). [mutagenic meat] 31701 | D:15 | Gained mutation: You have a pair of large horns on your head. [mutagenic meat] 31702 | D:15 | Gained mutation: You are weak. (Str -2) [mutagenic meat] 31704 | D:15 | Lost mutation: You have a pair of large horns on your head. [mutagenic meat] 31705 | D:15 | Lost mutation: Armour fits poorly on your strangely shaped body. [mutagenic meat] 32059 | D:15 | Got a transparent quarterstaff 33053 | Spider:1 | Entered Level 1 of the Spider Nest 33126 | Spider:1 | Received a gift from Okawaru 33153 | Spider:1 | Got a pair of pitted gloves {god gift} 33396 | Spider:1 | Identified the +0 pair of gloves "Sitasoxt" {rPois} (Okawaru gifted it to you on level 1 of the Spider Nest) 33483 | Spider:1 | Noticed Kirke 33486 | Spider:1 | Reached skill level 10 in Evocations 33499 | Spider:1 | Killed Kirke 34925 | Spider:3 | Received a gift from Okawaru 34972 | Spider:3 | Reached XP level 17. HP: 110/168 MP: 26/26 35036 | Spider:3 | Reached skill level 21 in Axes 35402 | Spider:3 | Noticed Roxanne 35427 | Spider:3 | Killed Roxanne 35429 | Spider:3 | Identified Roxanne's Grimoire of Clay and Shape Shifting (You took it off Roxanne on level 3 of the Spider Nest) 35691 | Spider:4 | Received a gift from Okawaru 35804 | Spider:4 | Got an ichor-stained plate armour 35816 | Spider:4 | Identified the +3 plate armour of the Oligarchy {rPois rN+ MR+ Str+7 Int-2} (You acquired it on level 4 of the Spider Nest) 36534 | Spider:5 | Entered Level 5 of the Spider Nest 37384 | Spider:5 | Received a gift from Okawaru 37398 | Spider:5 | Got an encrusted war axe {god gift} 37437 | Spider:5 | Reached skill level 22 in Axes 38012 | Spider:5 | Received a gift from Okawaru 38077 | Spider:5 | Got a gossamer rune of Zot 38110 | Spider:5 | Identified the +7 war axe of Compulsion {flame, rPois rN+ MP+9 Str+5 Dex-4} (Okawaru gifted it to you on level 5 of the Spider Nest) 38636 | Swamp:1 | Entered Level 1 of the Swamp 38714 | Swamp:1 | Noticed Nikola 38744 | Swamp:1 | Killed Nikola 39023 | Swamp:1 | Found a shimmering altar of Xom. 39305 | Swamp:1 | Reached XP level 18. HP: 180/180 MP: 27/27 39811 | Swamp:2 | Noticed gekko's ghost (mighty MiFi) 39855 | Swamp:2 | Killed gekko's ghost 40263 | Swamp:2 | Received a gift from Okawaru 40493 | Swamp:3 | Noticed Wiglaf 40517 | Swamp:3 | Killed Wiglaf 40581 | Swamp:3 | Noticed Donald 40605 | Swamp:3 | Killed Donald 41283 | Swamp:3 | Noticed Asterion 41288 | Swamp:3 | Killed Asterion 41418 | Swamp:3 | Received a gift from Okawaru 41649 | Swamp:3 | Received a gift from Okawaru 41736 | Swamp:3 | Reached skill level 23 in Axes 42936 | Swamp:4 | Noticed Louise 42958 | Swamp:4 | Killed Louise 43136 | Swamp:5 | Entered Level 5 of the Swamp 43333 | Swamp:5 | Received a gift from Okawaru 43749 | Swamp:5 | Got a decaying rune of Zot 43913 | Swamp:5 | Noticed Frances 43921 | Swamp:5 | Killed Frances 44837 | Elf:1 | Entered Level 1 of the Elven Halls 44945 | Elf:1 | Reached skill level 1 in Dodging 44965 | Elf:1 | Reached XP level 19. HP: 133/192 MP: 27/27 44978 | Elf:1 | Identified Uhuesaoh's Handbook of Scorching Conjuration (You found it on level 1 of the Elven Halls) 45303 | Elf:1 | Found Pha Chaf's General Store. 45310 | Elf:1 | Bought 3 scrolls of identify for 90 gold pieces 45310 | Elf:1 | Bought a scroll of identify for 30 gold pieces 45440 | Elf:1 | Found a portal to a secret trove of treasure. 45829 | Elf:2 | Found a runed gate. 45830 | Elf:2 | Found a runed gate. 45830 | Elf:2 | Found a runed gate. 45958 | Elf:2 | Reached skill level 24 in Axes 46205 | Elf:2 | Received a gift from Okawaru 46237 | Elf:2 | Reached skill level 5 in Dodging 46449 | Elf:2 | Noticed Fannar 46465 | Elf:2 | Killed Fannar 46649 | Elf:2 | Found Klaav Tol's Gadget Shop. 46704 | Elf:3 | Entered Level 3 of the Elven Halls 47385 | Elf:3 | Got a scorched steel ring 47424 | Elf:3 | Identified the ring of Trog's Condemnation {rF- rN+ MR+ SInv Stlth+} (You found it on level 3 of the Elven Halls) 48152 | Elf:3 | Got a smoking scale mail 48167 | Elf:3 | Got a smoking glass ring 48183 | Elf:3 | Identified the cursed -3 scale mail of Resourcefulness {rPois Int+4} (You found it on level 3 of the Elven Halls) 48186 | Elf:3 | Identified the ring "Ocwirph" {Ice Str+6} (You found it on level 3 of the Elven Halls) 48310 | Elf:3 | Received a gift from Okawaru 48599 | Elf:3 | Got a shimmering copper ring 48676 | Elf:3 | Reached XP level 20. HP: 204/204 MP: 28/28 48896 | Elf:3 | Received a gift from Okawaru 48928 | Elf:3 | Got a pair of polished gloves {god gift} 48956 | Elf:3 | Got a brightly glowing hand crossbow 48969 | Elf:3 | Identified the +5 hand crossbow "Mnadox" {venom, rF+ rC- Str+3 Int+2} (You found it on level 3 of the Elven Halls) 48982 | Elf:3 | Identified Asmodeus' Collected Works on the Escort 49011 | Elf:3 | Got a faintly humming chain mail 49138 | Elf:3 | Identified the ring of Patience {rPois rF+ EV+2 Str-4 Int+2} (You took it off a deep elf conjurer on level 3 of the Elven Halls) 49159 | Elf:3 | Identified a +1 pair of boots of running (You found it on level 3 of the Elven Halls) 49169 | Elf:3 | Identified the -7 pair of gloves of Follow the Leader {rF- Regen+ Slay+3} (Okawaru gifted it to you on level 3 of the Elven Halls) 49179 | Elf:3 | Identified the +3 chain mail of the Saviour {Int+3 Slay+3} (You found it on level 3 of the Elven Halls) 49799 | Vaults:1 | Entered Level 1 of the Vaults 50187 | Vaults:1 | Reached skill level 25 in Axes 50526 | Vaults:1 | Reached skill level 10 in Dodging 50586 | Vaults:1 | Received a gift from Okawaru 50587 | Vaults:1 | Got an ancient plate armour {god gift} 50610 | Vaults:1 | Identified the +0 plate armour of Listlessness {Slay+5} (Okawaru gifted it to you on level 1 of the Vaults) 50838 | Vaults:1 | Got a smoking plate armour 50849 | Vaults:1 | Identified the +10 plate armour of Absence {-Cast MR+ SInv} (You found it on level 1 of the Vaults)

Wednesday, 22nd April 2015, 23:15 by tasonir

For now since you have no spells the +10 -cast MR plate is the best, but what happened to the CPA? If you've been enchanting the CPA that will be the best, although you need to find another source of magic resistance, which you need pretty badly at this point. Try to have MR+++ in total, as shown on your character screen (usually means you'll need two MR+ items on most races). Obviously not something you'll have early on, but by level 20 I'd try to have it.

Wednesday, 22nd April 2015, 23:32 by Gakhan

or this.., You finish putting on the +8 plate armour "Mnugg" {+Fly rElec rPois} xd, yes im saving my enchant armor scrolls for the CPA, i plan on ending up wearing it, just using the plate armor now for the additional things on it

Wednesday, 22nd April 2015, 23:50 by and into

Mod note: Thread moved. For questions about a specific character with a chardump, post the thread in YAVP.

Wednesday, 22nd April 2015, 23:56 by Gakhan

ok fair enough

only posted the char dump to give specifics about my chars skill lvls and what not -- but i get what you mean, asking multiple questions about one char

Thursday, 23rd April 2015, 00:04 by Gakhan

some games you find nothing and some games you cant quit finding decent stuff... the +7 storm dragon armour of Daffodils (worn) {rElec rC+ MR+ MP+9 Str-5} -- wish that was +5 str :/

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