DsBe: should I use this axe

Sunday, 5th April 2015, 22:46 by WingedEspeon

On this character I put off choosing a weapon type to see what mutations I got and choose unarmed once I developed claws. I trained unarmed up to 16 before reviving this ridiculous weapon from Trog. So should I continue training unarmed or switch to the axe? Personally I'm leaning toward the axe but I don't know how effective unarmed with claws is late game.

Code:: Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.16.1 (tiles) character file. grarg the Black Belt (Demonspawn Berserker) Turns: 20059, Time: 01:12:42 Health: 100/100 AC: 11 Str: 34 XL: 12 Next: 91% Magic: 12/12 EV: 13 Int: 12 God: Trog [*****.] Gold: 1410 SH: 0 Dex: 13 Spells: 0 memorised, 11 levels left rFire . . . SeeInvis . Y - +12 exec axe {speed, Str+9 Int+4} rCold + . . Clarity . P - +2 leather armour of the Queen {rPois Str+7 Dex-5} rNeg . . . SustAb . (no shield) rPois + Gourm . A - +0 helmet rElec . Spirit . U - +0 cloak rCorr . Warding . (no gloves) rMut . Stasis . S - +0 pair of boots MR +.... (no amulet) Stlth ++........ C - +5 ring of slaying T - ring of stealth @: somewhat resistant to hostile enchantments, unstealthy A: claws 1, icy blue scales 2, cold resistance 1, demonic guardian 3, magic resistance 1, regeneration 1 a: Burn Spellbooks, Berserk, Trog's Hand, Brothers in Arms, Renounce Religion You are in an ice cave. You worship Trog. Trog is extremely pleased with you. You are hungry. You have visited 2 branches of the dungeon, and seen 17 of its levels. You have also visited: Ossuary and Ice Cave. You have collected 1410 gold pieces. Inventory: Hand weapons m - a +2 greatsling of evasion E - a +5 arbalest of velocity H - a +5 blowgun Y - the +12 executioner's axe of Psecretupt (weapon) {speed, Str+9 Int+4} (Trog gifted it to you in an ice cave) Attacks with this weapon are significantly faster. It affects your strength (+9). It affects your intelligence (+4). Missiles a - 60 sling bullets t - 6 curare-tipped needles x - 37 poisoned needles Armour A - a +0 helmet (worn) P - the +2 leather armour of the Queen (worn) {rPois Str+7 Dex-5} (You found it on level 1 of the Lair of Beasts) It affects your strength (+7). It affects your dexterity (-5). It protects you from poison. S - a +0 pair of boots (worn) U - a +0 cloak (worn) Jewellery B - an uncursed ring of flight C - a +5 ring of slaying (right claw) T - a ring of stealth (left claw) Magical devices b - a wand of confusion d - a wand of paralysis o - a wand of disintegration (4) w - a wand of paralysis y - a wand of polymorph {zapped: 4} M - a wand of random effects (46) O - a wand of fireball (4) X - a wand of fire (10) Scrolls h - 13 scrolls of remove curse i - a scroll of magic mapping p - 5 scrolls of teleportation s - 3 scrolls of fear N - a scroll of identify V - a scroll of enchant armour W - 2 scrolls of recharging Potions e - 2 potions of lignification f - 11 potions of curing j - 7 potions of brilliance k - 6 potions of restore abilities l - 3 potions of ambrosia q - 8 potions of might u - 2 potions of haste z - 3 potions of cancellation D - a potion of cure mutation G - 5 potions of berserk rage I - 3 potions of resistance K - a potion of flight Q - 2 potions of beneficial mutation R - 3 potions of heal wounds Books v - a book of Minor Magic Spells Type Level a - Magic Dart Conjuration 1 b - Blink Translocation 2 c - Call Imp Summoning 2 d - Repel Missiles Charms/Air 2 e - Slow Hexes 2 f - Conjure Flame Conjuration/Fire 3 g - Mephitic Cloud Conjuration/Poison/Air 3 Trog disapproves of the use of such an item. Miscellaneous g - a plain deck of cards Comestibles c - 13 bread rations n - 11 fruits r - 12 meat rations F - 5 royal jellies J - 5 beef jerkies L - 2 chunks of flesh Skills: - Level 11.0 Fighting Level 2.6 Long Blades - Level 1.7 Armour - Level 4.6 Dodging + Level 16.1 Unarmed Combat You have 11 spell levels left. You don't know any spells. Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations Branches: Dungeon (12/15) Temple (0/1) D:5 Lair (5/8) D:10 Swamp (0/5) Lair:5 Orc (0/4) D:9 Snake: Lair:3-6 Spider: Lair:3-6 Altars: Ashenzari Dithmenos Fedhas Gozag Kikubaaqudgha Nemelex Xobeh Qazlal Xom The Shining One Shops: D:8 : Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations You have sharp fingernails. You are mostly covered in icy blue scales (AC +3, EV -1). Your flesh is cold resistant. A powerful demonic guardian rushes to your aid. You are resistant to hostile enchantments. Your natural rate of healing is unusually fast. Message History You are feeling hungry. You scratch the yak! The yak is severely wounded. You scratch the yak but do no damage. The yak is severely wounded. The yak gores you but does no damage. You scratch the yak! You kill the yak! Trog accepts your kill. You see here a polar bear corpse. You see here a pitted executioner's axe {god gift}. Y - a pitted executioner's axe {god gift} Wield which item (- for none, * to show all)? (? for menu, Esc to quit) You feel stronger. You feel clever. Your claws tingle! Y - the +12 executioner's axe of Psecretupt (weapon) {speed, Str+9 Int+4} Saving game... please wait. Welcome back, grarg the Demonspawn Berserker. Trog says: Kill them all! Press ? for a list of commands and other information. # ..## #.h..## #...h### #....### ###Y...# ###..# ####..## ####....## ###@†....## ##...#.#### ##..##### ###..## ##....### #.......### ###.......### #### ##........## ##..#######.......# ##.......###.......# There are no monsters in sight! Vanquished Creatures 3 hydras Erolcha (D:9) An ice statue (IceCv) A griffon (Lair:4) 2 elephants (Lair:5) A black mamba (Lair:2) A komodo dragon (Lair:2) 11 spiny frogs 2 trolls (D:9) 8 polar bears (IceCv) Sonja (D:10) 4 wyverns 13 yaks 3 hippogriffs A wraith (D:10) 3 hungry ghosts 4 wolves (IceCv) 9 swamp worms (Lair:5) 4 water moccasins An ice beast (D:8) A necrophage (D:6) A swamp drake (Lair:5) 10 porcupines 3 sky beasts 3 phantoms 7 ogres An orc warrior (D:7) A black bear (D:5) 6 centaurs 11 crocodiles 2 brain worms (Lair:5) 13 giant frogs A scorpion (D:9) 6 wights 8 killer bees An electric eel (Lair:4) 4 crimson imps 2 goliath beetles 8 hounds 2 jellies 2 quasits A giant frog skeleton (D:9) 3 orc priests An orc wizard (D:7) 2 centaur skeletons 7 iguanas A hell rat (D:10) 5 worker ants A killer bee zombie (D:10) 4 sheep (Lair:5) A hound skeleton (D:9) 4 mummies (Ossuary) 7 gnolls 20 adders 23 river rats 11 worms 12 white imps (D:12) A giant mite (D:9) 2 adder skeletons 3 giant geckos An ooze (D:1) 20 orcs 11 giant cockroaches 11 goblins 22 hobgoblins 4 jackals 19 kobolds 17 quokkas 5 ball pythons 14 bats 5 giant newts A giant spore (D:6) A hobgoblin zombie (Ossuary) 3 kobold zombies (Ossuary) 16 rats 6 ballistomycetes A plant (Lair:5) 433 creatures vanquished. Vanquished Creatures (collateral kills) A hydra (Lair:5) A catoblepas (Lair:4) 3 elephants (Lair:5) A spiny frog (Lair:3) A komodo dragon (Lair:3) The ghost of Og the Basher, an average OgFi (Ossuary) Grinder (D:4) Prince Ribbit (D:6) 2 yaks (Lair:3) 2 hippogriffs Edmund (D:4) An ice beast (D:6) 2 phantoms An orc warrior (D:7) 2 ogres (D:5) 6 centaurs A giant frog (D:12) A wyvern zombie (D:12) A water moccasin zombie (D:9) A scorpion (D:4) 2 hounds A worker ant (D:4) A big kobold zombie (Ossuary) 4 mummies (Ossuary) An adder (D:3) A gnoll zombie (Ossuary) A jackal (D:6) 2 hobgoblin zombies (Ossuary) A kobold (D:6) 2 rats A plant (Lair:4) 48 creatures vanquished. Vanquished Creatures (others) 3 balrugs A cacodemon (D:10) 2 sun demons 6 soul eaters 5 ice devils A sixfirhy (D:5) A smoke demon (D:7) An ogre (D:7) 2 giant spores 2 fungi A plant (Lair:5) 25 creatures vanquished. Grand Total: 506 creatures vanquished Notes Turn | Place | Note -------------------------------------------------------------- 0 | D:1 | grarg, the Demonspawn Berserker, began the quest for the Orb. 0 | D:1 | Reached XP level 1. HP: 18/18 MP: 1/1 495 | D:1 | Gained mutation: A weak demonic guardian rushes to your aid. [demonic ancestry] 495 | D:1 | Reached XP level 2. HP: 14/24 MP: 2/2 1105 | D:1 | Reached skill level 4 in Fighting 1291 | D:1 | You fall through a shaft! 1335 | D:2 | Acquired Trog's second power 1343 | D:2 | Found an opulent altar of Gozag. 1343 | D:2 | Found a sparkling altar of Nemelex Xobeh. 1344 | D:2 | Found a shattered altar of Ashenzari. 1460 | D:2 | Gained mutation: A demonic guardian rushes to your aid. [demonic ancestry] 1460 | D:2 | Reached XP level 3. HP: 28/30 MP: 3/3 2617 | D:3 | Reached skill level 5 in Fighting 2617 | D:3 | Reached XP level 4. HP: 36/39 MP: 4/4 2649 | D:3 | Noticed an ogre 2657 | D:3 | Killed an ogre 2657 | D:3 | Reached skill level 6 in Fighting 2657 | D:3 | Gained mutation: You are partially covered in icy blue scales (AC +1). [demonic ancestry] 2657 | D:3 | Reached XP level 5. HP: 46/46 MP: 5/5 3452 | D:3 | Found a blossoming altar of Fedhas. 3570 | D:4 | Noticed a phantom 3576 | D:4 | Killed a phantom 3576 | D:4 | Reached XP level 6. HP: 45/53 MP: 6/6 3594 | D:4 | Noticed Grinder 3599 | D:4 | Paralysed by Grinder for 7 turns 3604 | D:4 | Killed Grinder 3604 | D:4 | Reached skill level 7 in Fighting 3759 | D:4 | Found a sand-covered staircase. 3780 | Ossuary | Entered an ossuary 3784 | Ossuary | Noticed Og's ghost (average OgFi) 3797 | Ossuary | Killed Og's ghost 3797 | Ossuary | Reached skill level 8 in Fighting 3797 | Ossuary | Gained mutation: You are mostly covered in icy blue scales (AC +3, EV -1). [demonic ancestry] 3797 | Ossuary | Reached XP level 7. HP: 62/62 MP: 7/7 4491 | D:4 | Found a shadowy altar of Dithmenos. 4718 | D:4 | Reached skill level 9 in Fighting 4775 | D:4 | Noticed Edmund 4780 | D:4 | Killed Edmund 4783 | D:4 | Acquired Trog's third power 5192 | D:4 | Noticed an ogre 5200 | D:4 | Killed an ogre 5519 | D:5 | Entered Level 5 of the Dungeon 5539 | D:5 | Found a glowing golden altar of the Shining One. 5570 | D:5 | Found a staircase to the Ecumenical Temple. 5630 | D:5 | Reached XP level 8. HP: 65/72 MP: 8/8 5720 | D:5 | Reached skill level 10 in Fighting 6644 | D:6 | Noticed Prince Ribbit 6672 | D:6 | Killed Prince Ribbit 6672 | D:6 | Reached skill level 11 in Fighting 7432 | D:6 | Found a stormy altar of Qazlal. 7432 | D:6 | Found a shimmering altar of Xom. 7596 | D:6 | Gained mutation: You have sharp fingernails. [demonic ancestry] 7596 | D:6 | Reached XP level 9. HP: 20/77 MP: 9/9 8039 | D:6 | Reached skill level 1 in Unarmed Combat 9170 | D:7 | Reached skill level 5 in Unarmed Combat 9990 | D:8 | Gained mutation: Your natural rate of healing is unusually fast. [mutagenic meat] 10093 | D:8 | Found Ypnunic's Book Emporium. 10433 | D:9 | Found a staircase to the Orcish Mines. 10507 | D:9 | Noticed Erolcha 10513 | D:9 | Gained mutation: A powerful demonic guardian rushes to your aid. [demonic ancestry] 10513 | D:9 | Reached XP level 10. HP: 76/83 MP: 10/10 10523 | D:9 | Killed Erolcha 10719 | D:9 | Gained mutation: You are resistant to hostile enchantments. [potion of beneficial mutation] 11282 | D:10 | Entered Level 10 of the Dungeon 11545 | D:10 | Reached skill level 10 in Unarmed Combat 11596 | D:10 | Found a staircase to the Lair. 11652 | D:10 | Received a gift from Trog 12179 | D:10 | Noticed Sonja 12189 | D:10 | Killed Sonja 12609 | Lair:1 | Entered Level 1 of the Lair of Beasts 12720 | Lair:1 | Got a bloodstained leather armour 12755 | Lair:1 | Identified the +2 leather armour of the Queen {rPois Str+7 Dex-5} (You found it on level 1 of the Lair of Beasts) 12949 | Lair:1 | Reached XP level 11. HP: 79/93 MP: 11/11 13408 | Lair:1 | Noticed a four-headed hydra 13416 | Lair:1 | Killed a four-headed hydra 14417 | Lair:2 | Reached skill level 12 in Unarmed Combat 15228 | Lair:3 | Received a gift from Trog 15504 | Lair:3 | Reached skill level 13 in Unarmed Combat 16412 | Lair:4 | Noticed a catoblepas 16420 | Lair:4 | Killed a catoblepas 16429 | Lair:4 | Noticed a six-headed hydra 16434 | Lair:4 | Killed a six-headed hydra 17121 | Lair:5 | Found a staircase to the Swamp. 17139 | Lair:5 | Gained mutation: Your flesh is cold resistant. [demonic ancestry] 17139 | Lair:5 | Reached XP level 12. HP: 80/100 MP: 12/12 17170 | Lair:5 | Reached skill level 14 in Unarmed Combat 18027 | Lair:5 | Received a gift from Trog 18399 | Lair:5 | Noticed a seven-headed hydra 18405 | Lair:5 | Killed a seven-headed hydra 18480 | Lair:5 | Noticed an eight-headed hydra 18485 | Lair:5 | Killed an eight-headed hydra 18485 | Lair:5 | Reached skill level 15 in Unarmed Combat 19261 | D:11 | Found an ancient bone altar of Kikubaaqudgha. 19358 | D:11 | You fall through a shaft! 19557 | D:12 | Found a frozen archway. 19591 | IceCv | Entered an ice cave 19847 | IceCv | Reached skill level 16 in Unarmed Combat 20051 | IceCv | Received a gift from Trog 20057 | IceCv | Got a pitted executioner's axe {god gift} 20058 | IceCv | Identified the +12 executioner's axe of Psecretupt {speed, Str+9 Int+4} (Trog gifted it to you in an ice cave) Action | 1- 3 | 4- 6 | 7- 9 | 10-12 || total -------------------------+-------+-------+-------+-------++------- Melee: Falchion | 192 | 126 | 326 | || 644 Unarmed | | | 192 | 706 || 898 Invok: Berserk | | 2 | 9 | 6 || 17 Trog's Hand | | | 1 | || 1 Brothers in Arms | | | 2 | 2 || 4 Evoke: Wand | | | | 2 || 2 Use: Potion | | | 7 | 3 || 10 Scroll | | | 8 | 18 || 26 Stab: Sleeping | | 1 | | 2 || 3 Distracted | | | 3 | 1 || 4 Eat: Chunk | 6 | 5 | 30 | 32 || 73 Beef jerky | | | 1 | 3 || 4 Royal jelly | | | 1 | || 1

Sunday, 5th April 2015, 22:51 by Sar

Post your dump in code tags.
You posted a wrong dump, btw.

Sunday, 5th April 2015, 23:13 by WingedEspeon

Thanks. I have fixed that.

Sunday, 5th April 2015, 23:23 by bcadren

Generally UC is the most powerful melee; but geez, that axe is awesome. Going to need to have someone FSIM to see if it's more powerful than UC because damn. I wouldn't wear that leather though, myself too much of a DEX cost. Planning on doing extended, etc?

Sunday, 5th April 2015, 23:29 by Sar

wow, that axe

16 UC is a huge investment, but I would probably try to fit that weapon into my char build somehow, because it's a kind of weapon you don't get often, if ever.

Your defences are awful, though. Probably gotta fix that first.

Monday, 6th April 2015, 01:42 by bcadren

I'm with Sar. FOR NOW; switch to training defenses; get your Dodging and Armour up. (Also switch to something heavier the -DEX on that Leather kind of kill the point of wearing light armour and it's not like you are using spells, yet [I'm assuming you intend to eventually leave Trog from the fact you are carrying a spellbook instead of burning it.]) Focus Dodging/Armour for a bit; turn on Axes, if you like, but focus Armour/Dodging. Post again when you get your first rune.

Personally with that EXCELLENT of a drop; I'd consider leaving Trog for Ash to use the reskill (course have to wait until Trog Wrath is survivable [2nd or 3rd rune]; and be prepared to adapt to being an Ash character (which you aren't, yet; either)).

Monday, 6th April 2015, 08:09 by Turukano

I put your axe to the topic Best/Worst Artifacts, it is great.

Bad luck you don't have any axes skill but in this special case it's worth thinking about it. I hope the above posts will help you.

Good luck!

Monday, 6th April 2015, 08:26 by Bloax

That axe is much better than unarmed unless you magic up something stupid like bladehands under Chei.

I'd look for a better armor though, that leather is pretty bad defensively.

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