YASD - MuFe

Tuesday, 13th May 2014, 00:51 by NessOnett

Normally I'm the first to admit that it was my fault whenever I die in the game(greed, hubris, etc), but this is a case I believe to be an exception to that.

I was at full health, full mana, I go down a staircase to a 'new' floor, and die instantly without even seeing the level. I have to assume it was just flooded with things that all instantly turned on me. This was an extremely frustrating death. I don't think pre-buffing Shroud would have saved me, so I'm not sure what I could have (reasonably) done differently to avoid this.

Code:: 19367 Ness the Arsonist (level 12, -12/74 HPs) Began as a Mummy Fire Elementalist on May 12, 2014. Was a High Priest of Sif Muna. Killed by divine providence ... invoked by an orc priest ... led by an orc warlord (13 damage) ... on Level 3 of the Orcish Mines. The game lasted 01:38:29 (23013 turns). Ness the Arsonist (Mummy Fire Elementalist) Turns: 23013, Time: 01:38:30 HP -12/74 AC 11 Str 11 XL: 12 Next: 23% MP 22/22 EV 14 Int 18 God: Sif Muna [*****.] Gold 1408 SH 0 Dex 12 Spells: 6 memorised, 2 levels left rFire x . . SeeInvis . n - +3,+5 quarterstaff (chaos) rCold + . . Clarity . v - +2 robe rNeg + + + Conserve . (no shield) rPois + rCorr . p - +2 hat rElec . rRot + z - +0 cloak SustAb + . Spirit . k - +2 pair of gloves rMut + Warding . a - +0 pair of boots Saprov . . . Stasis . o - amulet of resist mutation {unknown} MR +.... H - +1 ring of evasion A - ring of sustain abilities @: somewhat resistant to hostile enchantments, fairly stealthy A: no food or potions, fire vulnerability, restore body, cold resistance 1, life protection 3, poison resistance, torment resistance, unbreathing a: Channel Energy, Forget Spell, Renounce Religion You were on level 3 of the Orcish Mines. You worshipped Sif Muna. Sif Muna was extremely pleased with you. You were not hungry. You visited 4 branches of the dungeon, and saw 16 of its levels. You also visited: Sewer. You collected 1408 gold pieces. Inventory: Hand weapons j - a +2,+2 dagger of draining n - a +3,+5 quarterstaff of chaos (weapon) Armour a - a +0 pair of boots (worn) h - a +0 robe of magic resistance k - a +2 pair of gloves (worn) p - a +2 hat (worn) v - a +2 robe (worn) z - a +0 cloak (worn) Magical devices g - a wand of draining (3) m - a wand of paralysis (8) {unknown} q - a wand of lightning (0) w - a wand of invisibility (6) x - a wand of polymorph (9) Scrolls b - a scroll of brand weapon c - 2 scrolls of enchant weapon I d - a scroll of identify e - 2 scrolls of remove curse f - a scroll of fog i - a scroll of teleportation l - a scroll of immolation u - 2 scrolls of blinking y - 2 scrolls of random uselessness {unknown} B - 3 scrolls of fear {unknown} Jewellery o - an amulet of resist mutation (around neck) {unknown} s - an uncursed ring of flight t - an uncursed amulet of stasis A - a ring of sustain abilities (left hand) H - a +1 ring of evasion (right hand) Skills: + Level 4.0 Dodging - Level 1.5 Stealth - Level 4.0 Spellcasting - Level 11.0 Conjurations - Level 2.0 Charms - Level 12.0 Fire Magic You had 2 spell levels left. You knew the following spells: Your Spells Type Power Failure Level Hunger a - Flame Tongue Conj/Fire ##### 1% 1 N/A b - Throw Flame Conj/Fire #####. 1% 2 N/A c - Conjure Flame Conj/Fire #####... 1% 3 N/A d - Sticky Flame Conj/Fire #####... 1% 4 N/A e - Fireball Conj/Fire #####..... 3% 5 N/A f - Shroud of Golubria Chrm/Tloc #......... 14% 2 N/A Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations Branches: Dungeon (11/15) Temple (1/1) D:6 Orc (3/4) D:11 Elf (0/3) Orc:3 Lair (1/8) D:9 Altars: Ashenzari Cheibriados Dithmenos Elyvilon Fedhas Kikubaaqudgha Makhleb Nemelex Xobeh Okawaru Sif Muna Trog Vehumet Xom Yredelemnul Zin The Shining One Lugonu Shops: D:5 ( Annotations: D:3 Grinder Orc:2 Erica Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations You do not eat or drink. Your flesh is vulnerable to fire. Your flesh is cold resistant. You are immune to negative energy. Your system is resistant to poisons. You are immune to unholy pain and torment. You can survive without breathing. Message History HP restored. You start resting. Magic restored. You climb downwards. An orc and an ogre come into view. The orc shouts! The ogre shouts! The troll bites you! The troll claws you but does no damage. The troll barely misses you. The orc warrior hits you with a glaive! The orc hits you but does no damage. An orc warrior comes into view. It is wielding a runed dire flail. There is a stone staircase leading up here. The troll barely misses you. The troll claws you. The troll claws you! The orc warrior hits you with a trident! * * * LOW HITPOINT WARNING * * * The orc hits you. * * * LOW HITPOINT WARNING * * * The orc warrior hits you with a glaive! * * * LOW HITPOINT WARNING * * * The orc priest mumbles some strange prayers to Beogh against you. Something smites you! You die... . . ##.. ..#$ . ... .#... #.##..#...o# ##.........## #...........## ##.......O.o..#. #......%)....... #....#o....... ##.#.$.#o#....... #...o%.o@...# ##.#...Too..# # ##......o.... #...#....... ##.# .....>. .. ...... ... #.... ... ... You could see a troll, 3 orc warriors, an ogre, an orc priest, an orc wizard and 4 orcs. Vanquished Creatures Josephine (D:10) A hydra (Lair:1) A tengu warrior (D:10) A deep elf summoner (Orc:3) 2 hill giants Maurice (Orc:3) Psyche (D:11) A spiny frog (Lair:1) 4 trolls 4 ravens (D:10) 2 two-headed ogres A shadow (D:11) 7 yaks A basilisk (D:11) A hill giant zombie (D:9) A redback (Orc:3) A wyvern (D:11) 3 ugly things (D:10) A shark (D:9) 2 hippogriffs A necrophage (D:11) A deep elf mage (D:7) 2 wolves (D:9) A hungry ghost (D:10) Edmund (D:9) 2 wargs (Orc:3) 2 water moccasins (Lair:1) 3 ice beasts 9 orc warriors A black bear (D:5) 11 ogres 4 phantoms 5 centaurs 2 sky beasts A big kobold (D:9) A komodo dragon zombie (D:10) Blork the orc (D:9) 7 giant frogs A wyvern skeleton (D:10) 3 scorpions A tengu zombie (D:10) 3 electric eels (D:9) 28 killer bees A centaur zombie (D:9) 13 crimson imps 2 goliath beetles (D:7) A quasit (D:9) A big fish (D:9) A giant frog skeleton (D:8) 9 hounds Crazy Yiuf (D:3) 12 orc priests A jelly (D:11) A centaur skeleton (D:6) 2 iguanas (D:9) 11 worker ants A gnoll shaman (D:8) 11 orc wizards A troll simulacrum (D:10) An orange rat (D:7) A sky beast zombie (D:10) An ogre zombie (D:6) A hound zombie (D:10) 2 mummies 17 adders 10 gnolls 7 green rats (D:7) 2 shadow imps 2 giant mites (Sewer) 9 worms A gnoll zombie (D:6) An iguana skeleton (D:7) 2 orc skeletons 3 giant eyeballs 8 giant geckos An ooze (D:7) 102 orcs 4 ball pythons 12 goblins 10 hobgoblins 12 jackals 16 kobolds 20 bats 15 giant cockroaches 9 giant newts A kobold zombie (D:5) 8 quokkas 22 rats A rat zombie (D:6) 16 ballistomycetes (D:9) A bush (Lair:1) 3 plants (Lair:1) 518 creatures vanquished. Vanquished Creatures (others) A giant gecko (D:7) A giant spore (D:9) A bush (Lair:1) A plant (Lair:1) 4 creatures vanquished. Grand Total: 522 creatures vanquished Notes Turn | Place | Note -------------------------------------------------------------- 0 | D:1 | Ness, the Mummy Fire Elementalist, began the quest for the Orb. 0 | D:1 | Reached XP level 1. HP: 13/13 MP: 3/3 20 | D:1 | Reached skill level 1 in Conjurations 667 | D:1 | Found a snail-covered altar of Cheibriados. 774 | D:1 | Reached XP level 2. HP: 19/19 MP: 0/4 1478 | D:2 | Learned a level 2 spell: Throw Flame 1594 | D:2 | Reached XP level 3. HP: 17/24 MP: 1/6 1931 | D:2 | Reached skill level 3 in Fire Magic 1936 | D:2 | Learned a level 3 spell: Conjure Flame 2403 | D:2 | Reached XP level 4. HP: 30/30 MP: 2/7 2820 | D:3 | Noticed Crazy Yiuf 2850 | D:3 | Killed Crazy Yiuf 2887 | D:3 | Found a shattered altar of Ashenzari. 3044 | D:3 | Found a shimmering altar of Xom. 3059 | D:3 | Reached XP level 5. HP: 25/35 MP: 9/9 3067 | D:3 | Reached skill level 4 in Conjurations 3288 | D:3 | Noticed Grinder 3637 | D:3 | Reached XP level 6. HP: 29/41 MP: 10/10 4434 | D:4 | Got a warped steel ring 4994 | D:4 | Learned a level 4 spell: Sticky Flame 5197 | D:4 | Reached XP level 7. HP: 16/46 MP: 2/15 5986 | D:5 | Entered Level 5 of the Dungeon 6044 | D:5 | Found Kaed's Antique Weapon Shoppe. 6155 | D:5 | Found a glowing drain. 6178 | Sewer | Entered a sewer 6603 | Sewer | Reached skill level 5 in Fire Magic 7103 | D:5 | Reached skill level 5 in Conjurations 7135 | D:5 | Found a shimmering altar of Xom. 7152 | D:5 | Found a burning altar of Makhleb. 7173 | D:5 | Reached XP level 8. HP: 52/52 MP: 6/18 7614 | D:6 | Reached skill level 6 in Conjurations 7629 | D:6 | Learned a level 5 spell: Fireball 7709 | D:6 | Found an iron altar of Okawaru. 7712 | D:6 | Found a glowing silver altar of Zin. 7717 | D:6 | Found a glowing golden altar of the Shining One. 7722 | D:6 | Found a white marble altar of Elyvilon. 7762 | D:6 | Found a staircase to the Ecumenical Temple. 7771 | Temple | Entered the Ecumenical Temple 8382 | D:6 | Found a burning altar of Makhleb. 9136 | D:7 | Reached skill level 7 in Conjurations 9565 | D:7 | Reached XP level 9. HP: 54/57 MP: 19/19 9667 | D:7 | Noticed a troll 9876 | D:7 | Killed a troll 10898 | D:7 | Reached skill level 8 in Fire Magic 11518 | D:7 | Found a burning altar of Makhleb. 12369 | D:7 | Found a radiant altar of Vehumet. 12373 | D:7 | Identified Vehumet's Catalogue of Combat Magic 12377 | D:7 | Found a deep blue altar of Sif Muna. 12381 | D:7 | Identified Sif Muna's Tome of Good Luck 12387 | D:7 | Found an ancient bone altar of Kikubaaqudgha. 12391 | D:7 | Identified Kikubaaqudgha's Grimoire of Darkness 12399 | D:7 | Became a worshipper of Sif Muna the Loreminder 12730 | D:8 | Reached XP level 10. HP: 63/63 MP: 8/20 13035 | D:8 | Reached skill level 9 in Conjurations 14313 | D:9 | Acquired Sif Muna's first power 14483 | D:9 | Found a staircase to the Lair. 14644 | D:9 | Noticed Blork the orc 14651 | D:9 | Killed Blork the orc 14843 | D:9 | Acquired Sif Muna's second power 14946 | D:9 | Noticed Edmund 14953 | D:9 | Killed Edmund 14953 | D:9 | Reached skill level 10 in Fire Magic 15958 | D:10 | Entered Level 10 of the Dungeon 16700 | D:10 | Found a basalt altar of Yredelemnul. 16700 | D:10 | Noticed a tengu warrior 16921 | Lair:1 | Entered Level 1 of the Lair of Beasts 16932 | Lair:1 | Reached skill level 10 in Conjurations 16954 | Lair:1 | Learned a level 2 spell: Shroud of Golubria 16987 | Lair:1 | Reached skill level 1 in Charms 16987 | Lair:1 | Reached XP level 11. HP: 68/68 MP: 4/21 17132 | Lair:1 | Noticed a six-headed hydra 17144 | Lair:1 | Killed a six-headed hydra 17817 | D:10 | Noticed a hill giant 17825 | D:10 | Killed a hill giant 17921 | D:10 | Noticed Josephine 17933 | D:10 | Killed Josephine 17933 | D:10 | Reached skill level 11 in Fire Magic 18328 | D:10 | Killed a tengu warrior 18328 | D:10 | Acquired Sif Muna's third power 19202 | D:11 | Reached skill level 12 in Fire Magic 19468 | D:11 | Found an iron altar of Okawaru. 19658 | D:11 | Noticed a hill giant 19661 | D:11 | Killed a hill giant 20072 | D:11 | Noticed Psyche 20077 | D:11 | Killed Psyche 20399 | D:11 | Reached XP level 12. HP: 74/74 MP: 12/22 20460 | D:11 | Found a staircase to the Orcish Mines. 20476 | Orc:1 | Entered Level 1 of the Orcish Mines 21055 | Orc:1 | Identified a scroll of acquirement 21254 | Orc:2 | Noticed Erica 21644 | Orc:3 | Noticed Maurice 21654 | Orc:3 | Killed Maurice 22189 | Orc:3 | Found a staircase to the Elven Halls. 23013 | Orc:3 | HP: 1/74 [orc warrior/glaive[an orc warlord] (13)] 23013 | Orc:3 | Killed from afar by an orc priest Action | 1- 3 | 4- 6 | 7- 9 | 10-12 || total -------------------------+-------+-------+-------+-------++------- Melee: Unarmed | 4 | | | || 4 Short sword | 7 | | | || 7 Quarterstaff | | 38 | 45 | 180 || 263 Cast: Flame Tongue | 69 | 94 | 227 | 345 || 735 Throw Flame | | 26 | 124 | 222 || 372 Conjure Flame | | 3 | 12 | 35 || 50 Sticky Flame | | | 17 | 67 || 84 Fireball | | | 5 | 37 || 42 Shroud of Golubri | | | | 1 || 1 Invok: Channel Energy | | | | 207 || 207 Evoke: Wand | | | 2 | 1 || 3 Use: Scroll | | | 12 | 12 || 24 Stab: Paralysed | | | | 1 || 1

*sigh*...sometimes this game is very frustrating...

Tuesday, 13th May 2014, 00:58 by and into

Tactically, you probably did nothing wrong, but this is why Orc Mines are very risky to do when your HP is low, because there is a high concentration of enemies, usually grouped right around staircases, with a large propensity of smiters. (Though I don't know what else was going on in this game, maybe floor 12 of dungeon was hellishly dangerous and Lair:1 had some nasty uniques, so in context it was not unreasonable to take a chance on the Mines and you just got really unlucky.)

Tuesday, 13th May 2014, 01:06 by Sandman25

Code:: f - a scroll of fog B - 3 scrolls of fear {unknown}

Tuesday, 13th May 2014, 01:09 by NessOnett

and into wrote:Tactically, you probably did nothing wrong, but this is why Orc Mines are very risky to do when your HP is low, because there is a high concentration of enemies, usually grouped right around staircases, with a large propensity of smiters. (Though I don't know what else was going on in this game, maybe floor 12 of dungeon was hellishly dangerous and Lair:1 had some nasty uniques, so in context it was not unreasonable to take a chance on the Mines and you just got really unlucky.)

Yeah, it was my only real place left to go. Both Dungeon and Lair found me a number of Fire Drakes circling around key areas that were hard to avoid. And I had neither found a way to deal with them yet, nor was able to survive against them long.

Should I have trained Dodging/Fighting/Armor sooner and taken a hit to my magic? Or is it right to focus on my offensive prowess and count on my positioning to keep me alive?

Sandman25 wrote:
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f - a scroll of fog B - 3 scrolls of fear {unknown}

I died before I got a chance to act. I went down a staircase to a new floor and died literally instantly. On that turn. I had a pretty good feeling those scrolls were fear, and would have used one without hesitation. But I died from full health on the turn I went down the stairs.

Tuesday, 13th May 2014, 01:12 by Sandman25

Oh, I see. I didn't realize it wasn't first entrance to the level, it guarantees first move otherwise.
Still don't have more than 1 instance of unidentified scroll, it's better to have 2 scrolls of fear than 3 unknown scrolls.

Tuesday, 13th May 2014, 01:25 by NessOnett

Sandman25 wrote:Oh, I see. I didn't realize it wasn't first entrance to the level, it guarantees first move otherwise.
Still don't have more than 1 instance of unidentified scroll, it's better to have 2 scrolls of fear than 3 unknown scrolls.

Yeah, common Orc thing of having multiple disconnected 'rooms' on the same floor. Had already gone down and cleared out one of them. So I went back up to the second floor, and descended down a different staircase. So while I had technically been on that floor before, that was my only way to that section barring a teleport(very risky) or digging(which I didn't have/wouldnt feel the need to use even if I did)

Tuesday, 13th May 2014, 08:05 by Sprucery

Well, training more stealth *might* have prevented this death. But it sure is a tough one to swallow.

Tuesday, 13th May 2014, 11:12 by vengefulcarrot

I always feel that what lead to death can be traced back to decisions you made in few turns ago to maybe a thousand turns ago, all the way to the start of the game. The game is a set of decisions, affected by noise which is basically RNG. Some of this noise you can anticipate, some you cannot. There are certain decisions you could have made that could have avoided that death, GIVEN that you know how you died. In retrospect you could have done different things. For example, If all you cared was winning, it would probably be wise to have chosen a combo that is likely to win depending on how good you are at this game, and that is also part of the decision making in this game.

But really in such a scenario, the decision that lead to your death was some combination of choosing a mummy and sitting down at 3pm or so on 12th of May sipping a cup of tea and thinking to yourself hmm maybe its time to play some crawl; and maybe its time to explore orcs; maybe I might get some AWESOME LOOT or something. What I'm trying to say is that in the end it is a series of choices that you made that lead to that death. HOWEVER, given a certain decision making threshold, say 10 turns, in SOME situations you can make informed choices that could ensure (say >90% probability) your surivival as opposed to choices that ensure your death. In such a situation if rational thought escaped you, then it is probably your fault and you could have made a better decision; and that comes with experience.

This in my opinion is not such a case. So no reason to beat yourself over it, its just a part of the game you have to learn to accept.

Tuesday, 13th May 2014, 11:28 by Magipi

Why did the monsters get 2 actions before the PC could act?

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