CiP: TrMo, currently atheist

Thursday, 1st May 2014, 05:28 by Blomdor

Hello, good people. I am still at it. Unarmed combat all the way, and much experimentation with different races just to see which ones make promising monks. Minotaur still seems on top, though a Demonspawn can become stronger with good mutations if it survives into the mid-or-late game. Minotaurs are generally easier to do this with.

Trolls are a race that seems extremely powerful as monks, but I often get them killed in or around Lair because that is around when you encounter enemies that hit hard, are faster than you, and may even have a ranged attack. My trolls never have the AC or EV to deal with this, and usually die quite horribly after long, difficult attempts to stay alive. This one, however, has gotten lucky. It found an early potion of experience, I think unidentified in a shop (and therefore for only 26 gold!). After much thought, I put all of its experience into dodging, turning this otherwise not particularly lucky troll into the one with probably the highest EV I've ever managed to get on one.

I'm a little sore at dodging after losing a very nice demonspawn to a few lucky minotaur hits. Guess I should have been a minotaur. However, I trusted it anyway and it really seems to have paid off. He's a pretty damn hard to hit troll right now.

Code:: Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.14.1 (webtiles) character file. Blomdor the Nimble (Troll Monk) Turns: 4900, Time: 00:16:37 HP 72/89 AC 6 Str 21 XL: 9 Next: 59% MP 4/4 EV 16 Int 6 God: Gold 189 SH 0 Dex 15 Spells: 0 memorised, 8 levels left rFire . . . SeeInvis . - Unarmed rCold . . . Clarity . a - +0 robe rNeg . . . Conserve . (shield restricted) rPois . rCorr . (helmet restricted) rElec . rRot . D - +0 cloak SustAb . . Spirit . (gloves unavailable) rMut . Warding . (boots unavailable) Gourm + Stasis . (no amulet) MR ..... (no ring) (no ring) @: not resistant to hostile enchantments, unstealthy A: unfitting armour, claws 3, fast metabolism 3, gourmand, regeneration 2, saprovore 2, shaggy fur 1, tough skin 2 a: no special abilities You are on level 7 of the Dungeon. You are completely stuffed. You have visited 1 branch of the dungeon, and seen 7 of its levels. You have collected 322 gold pieces. You have spent 133 gold pieces at shops. Inventory: Armour a - a +0 robe (worn) n - a +0 cloak D - a +0 cloak (worn) Magical devices l - a wand of invisibility {zapped: 1} q - a wand of teleportation {zapped: 1} Comestibles b - 7 meat rations f - a sausage h - 2 chunks of orc flesh w - an apple z - a pear B - 3 bread rations Scrolls d - 3 scrolls of remove curse i - 2 scrolls of enchant weapon I j - 2 scrolls of teleportation k - a scroll labeled LOUXOTT ELAI m - a scroll labeled KLOKOCEHET o - a scroll labeled SCHYB TRY ROAR r - a scroll of identify x - a scroll labeled AGUGRI DUFO y - 2 scrolls labeled PLALAXZOTTENG A - a scroll labeled SYGRASEH MYNA C - a scroll labeled GUHUGIOKHE I - a scroll labeled MNUERUERYSS Jewellery g - an uncursed ring of protection from magic t - a cursed ring of flight Potions c - 3 potions of curing e - 2 potions of might p - 2 fizzy pink potions s - 3 blue potions u - a slimy yellow potion v - a yellow potion E - a brown potion G - a white potion H - 3 orange potions Skills: + Level 5.9 Fighting - Level 10.5 Dodging - Level 1.1 Stealth * Level 9.1 Unarmed Combat You have 8 spell levels left. You don't know any spells. Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations Branches: Dungeon (7/15) Temple (0/1) D:4 Altars: Ashenzari Dithmenos Elyvilon Kikubaaqudgha Makhleb Okawaru Vehumet Xom Yredelemnul Shops: D:4 [ D:5 * Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations You are too large for most types of armour. You have claws for hands. Your metabolism is lightning-fast. You like to eat raw meat. You heal very quickly. You can eat rotten meat. You are covered in fur (AC +1). You have very tough skin (AC +2). Message History No target in view! Things that are here: a dagger; a robe; an orc corpse Eat which item? (? for menu, Esc to quit) Okay, then. You start butchering the orc corpse. You continue butchering the corpse. You feel sick. You continue butchering the corpse. x2 You finish butchering the orc corpse. h - 4 chunks of orc flesh Things that are here: a dagger; a robe Eat one of 4 chunks of orc flesh? (ye/n/q/i?) This raw flesh tastes great. You feel sick. You are no longer poisoned. You continue eating. x2 Eat one of 3 chunks of orc flesh? (ye/n/q/i?) This raw flesh tastes great. You continue eating. x2 There is a stone staircase leading up here. # #! #+##..###########. .......))......... .......)..........# ...######.........# #.@.......# #.######..# #.# #.# #.# #.. #.. .. . There are no monsters in sight! Vanquished Creatures A cyclops (D:6) Menkaure (D:5) 2 phantoms (D:6) An orc warrior (D:6) 3 ogres Duvessa (D:5) A centaur (D:6) 2 giant frogs A scorpion (D:6) 2 killer bees (D:7) 5 wights (D:6) 2 crimson imps Dowan (D:5) A goliath beetle (D:4) A quasit (D:5) 3 orc priests Crazy Yiuf (D:2) 5 orc wizards 3 worker ants A hound (D:4) An iguana (D:6) 2 sheep (D:6) 3 adders An inept feature mimic (D:6) 2 worms 2 adder skeletons (D:6) An orc skeleton (D:5) 4 giant geckos 14 orcs A bat zombie (D:7) 6 giant cockroaches 10 hobgoblins 4 jackals (D:4) 9 kobolds 4 quokkas 2 ball pythons (D:2) 6 bats 5 giant newts 11 goblins A hobgoblin skeleton (D:6) A jackal skeleton (D:5) A quokka zombie (D:5) 12 rats 141 creatures vanquished. Notes Turn | Place | Note -------------------------------------------------------------- 0 | D:1 | Blomdor, the Troll Monk, began the quest for the Orb. 0 | D:1 | Reached XP level 1. HP: 22/22 MP: 1/1 217 | D:1 | Reached XP level 2. HP: 26/29 MP: 1/1 776 | D:2 | Noticed Crazy Yiuf 784 | D:2 | Killed Crazy Yiuf 784 | D:2 | Reached XP level 3. HP: 27/37 MP: 2/2 1194 | D:3 | Reached XP level 4. HP: 48/48 MP: 2/2 1306 | D:3 | Noticed a giant frog 1313 | D:3 | Killed a giant frog 1313 | D:3 | Reached skill level 5 in Unarmed Combat 1313 | D:3 | Reached XP level 5. HP: 32/54 MP: 2/2 1878 | D:4 | Found Koosyowo's Armour Shop. 1941 | D:4 | Found an iron altar of Okawaru. 1942 | D:4 | Found a burning altar of Makhleb. 1944 | D:4 | Found a basalt altar of Yredelemnul. 1945 | D:4 | Found a white marble altar of Elyvilon. 1946 | D:4 | Found an ancient bone altar of Kikubaaqudgha. 1947 | D:4 | Found a shattered altar of Ashenzari. 1947 | D:4 | Found a shimmering altar of Xom. 2106 | D:4 | Reached XP level 6. HP: 62/62 MP: 3/3 2156 | D:4 | Reached skill level 6 in Unarmed Combat 2166 | D:4 | Found a burning altar of Makhleb. 2168 | D:4 | Noticed a blizzard demon 2488 | D:4 | Found a staircase to the Ecumenical Temple. 2925 | D:5 | Entered Level 5 of the Dungeon 2925 | D:5 | Noticed Duvessa 2929 | D:5 | Noticed Dowan 3241 | D:5 | Killed Dowan 3291 | D:5 | Killed Duvessa 3350 | D:5 | Noticed Menkaure 3360 | D:5 | Killed Menkaure 3360 | D:5 | Reached skill level 7 in Unarmed Combat 3360 | D:5 | Reached XP level 7. HP: 68/71 MP: 3/3 3459 | D:5 | Reached skill level 5 in Fighting 3595 | D:5 | Found Sebraywu's Assorted Antiques. 3611 | D:5 | Bought a white potion for 26 gold pieces 3611 | D:5 | Bought an oily brown potion {tried by monster} for 26 gold pieces 3611 | D:5 | Bought an oily brown potion {tried by monster} for 26 gold pieces 3611 | D:5 | Bought an orange potion for 26 gold pieces 3611 | D:5 | Bought a scroll labeled MNUERUERYSS for 29 gold pieces 3615 | D:5 | Reached skill level 10 in Dodging 3615 | D:5 | Reached XP level 8. HP: 47/80 MP: 3/3 4078 | D:6 | Found a radiant altar of Vehumet. 4150 | D:6 | Reached XP level 9. HP: 52/88 MP: 4/4 4252 | D:6 | Found a shadowy altar of Dithmenos. 4449 | D:6 | Noticed a cyclops 4465 | D:6 | Killed a cyclops Action | 1- 3 | 4- 6 | 7- 9 || total -------------------------+-------+-------+-------++------- Melee: Unarmed | 86 | 137 | 177 || 400 Evoke: Wand | | 1 | || 1 Use: Scroll | | 3 | 3 || 6 Potion | | | 1 || 1 Stab: Sleeping | 4 | | 2 || 6

I'll put this frankly: how do I not get this one killed? The RNG hath been most merciful to it, and hath given it its blessing; now, surely, it shall face great trials and dangers, and it will be overcome if I am not wise in my decisions.

There are lots of potentially cool deities to run with for this troll, but what I really *want* is Jiyva. Going atheist until that late into the game is a serious handicap, though, and considering my track record with trolls I might not want to intentionally make things harder for myself. It's not so much Jiyva's abilities that attract me to it, though I really do like them; it's that it means I never have to look outside of Lair for three runes, and the Vaults are a hellhole now.

Thoughts, comments, advice, criticism, and any other sort of discussion is much appreciated.

Thursday, 1st May 2014, 05:39 by Patashu

1) Go to a cleared level.
2) Read all unidentified scrolls.
3) Read all scrolls of identify on all unidentified potions.
4) Drop all scrolls of enchant weapon because you'll never hold a weapon anyway (or I guess you could use them on the first blowgun you see for curare)
5) Use the wand of invisibility and the wand of teleportation to not die. (Also lots of Crate's law.)
6) If you see an altar of Elyvilon, TSO or Zin, you can worship them for free, because if you abandon them, their wrath never kicks in unless you worship one of the evil gods, of which Jiyva is not one. Even if you don't train invo at all, or decide to use their abilities at all, they have a chance to save your life instead of you dying, and if e.g. you take Elyvilon you can hoover up all the weapons in the dungeon and get a few invo 0 casts of minor healing or be able to turn on lifesaving.

Thursday, 1st May 2014, 05:42 by Thalfon

Patashu wrote:6) If you see an altar of Elyvilon, TSO or Zin, you can worship them for free, because if you abandon them, their wrath never kicks in unless you worship one of the evil gods, of which Jiyva is not one. Even if you don't train invo at all, or decide to use their abilities at all, they have a chance to save your life instead of you dying, and if e.g. you take Elyvilon you can hoover up all the weapons in the dungeon and get a few invo 0 casts of minor healing or be able to turn on lifesaving.

Zin doesn't like you switching to chaotic gods either, and Jiyva counts. (The others are Xom, Lugonu and Makhleb.)

Thursday, 1st May 2014, 06:14 by Blomdor

Alright. Thanks; I did not know this about the good gods. I've never been with Elyvilon. Any helpful guidelines for making good use of the advantages Ely provides while I try to make it down to Jiyva?

Code:: Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.14.1 (webtiles) character file. Blomdor the Nimble (Troll Monk) Turns: 7665, Time: 00:29:16 HP 100/100 AC 7 Str 21 XL: 10 Next: 23% MP 4/4 EV 16 Int 6 God: Elyvilon [**....] Gold 305 SH 0 Dex 15 Spells: 0 memorised, 9 levels left rFire . . . SeeInvis . - Unarmed rCold . . . Clarity . a - +0 robe rNeg . . . Conserve . (shield restricted) rPois + rCorr . (helmet restricted) rElec . rRot . m - +1 cloak {rPois} SustAb . . Spirit . (gloves unavailable) rMut . Warding . (boots unavailable) Gourm + Stasis . (no amulet) MR +.... t - cursed ring of flight g - cursed ring of protection from magic @: somewhat resistant to hostile enchantments, unstealthy A: unfitting armour, claws 3, fast metabolism 3, gourmand, regeneration 2, saprovore 2, shaggy fur 1, tough skin 2 a: Lesser Healing, Lesser Self-Healing, Divine Protection, Purification, Renounce Religion, Evoke Flight You are on level 8 of the Dungeon. You worship Elyvilon. Elyvilon is pleased with you. You are very full. You have visited 1 branch of the dungeon, and seen 8 of its levels. You have collected 438 gold pieces. You have spent 133 gold pieces at shops. Inventory: Armour a - a +0 robe (worn) m - a +1 cloak of poison resistance (worn) n - a +0 cloak D - a +0 cloak Magical devices h - a blackened ivory wand l - a wand of invisibility {zapped: 1} q - a wand of teleportation {zapped: 1} Comestibles b - 7 meat rations f - 6 beef jerkies i - a royal jelly k - a pear B - 5 bread rations Scrolls d - 4 scrolls of remove curse j - 3 scrolls of teleportation Jewellery g - a cursed ring of protection from magic (left claw) t - a cursed ring of flight (right claw) Potions c - 4 potions of curing e - 2 potions of might p - 2 potions of invisibility s - 3 potions of haste v - 2 potions of agility E - a potion of magic G - a potion of resistance H - 3 orange potions Skills: + Level 6.6 Fighting - Level 10.5 Dodging - Level 1.1 Stealth * Level 10.1 Unarmed Combat You have 9 spell levels left. You don't know any spells. Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations Branches: Dungeon (8/15) Temple (0/1) D:4 Lair: D:8-11 Altars: Ashenzari Dithmenos Elyvilon Kikubaaqudgha Makhleb Nemelex Xobeh Okawaru Vehumet Xom Yredelemnul Shops: D:4 [ D:5 * Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations You are too large for most types of armour. You have claws for hands. Your metabolism is lightning-fast. You like to eat raw meat. You heal very quickly. You can eat rotten meat. You are covered in fur (AC +1). You have very tough skin (AC +2). Message History Things that are here: a short sword; a runed cloak m - a runed cloak Wear which item? (? for menu, Esc to quit) You start removing your armour. You continue taking off your +0 cloak. HP restored. You finish taking off your +0 cloak. You start putting on your armour. You continue putting on your runed cloak. You finish putting on your +1 cloak of poison resistance. You feel healthy. Char dumped successfully. Put on which piece of jewellery? (? for menu, Esc to quit) Really put on g - a cursed ring of protection from magic? Oops, that ring feels deathly cold. g - a cursed ring of protection from magic (left claw) Put on which piece of jewellery? (? for menu, Esc to quit) Really put on t - a cursed ring of flight? You feel buoyant. Oops, that ring feels deathly cold. t - a cursed ring of flight (right claw) ......# #.#####.#..# ......# #.##....#..# ......# #.##.####. ......#######.##.####..# ...........#...........# ......####.#..##.#####.# ......# #.#..##.## #.# #####.####.#.#....# #.# #.##...._..#@.# #.# #.##.#.#.#.#..####.# #.##.#.##..#.......# #.##.#.##..##.###..# #.##.#.##..##.# #..# #.##.#.##..##.# #..# #.##.#.##..##.# #..# #........<....# #..# ####.#.##..#### #.(# There are no monsters in sight! Vanquished Creatures A cyclops (D:6) Maurice (D:8) A hill giant zombie (D:8) A hungry ghost (D:7) Menkaure (D:5) 3 phantoms An orc warrior (D:6) An ice beast (D:7) 4 ogres Duvessa (D:5) 2 centaurs 4 giant frogs A scorpion (D:6) A troll zombie (D:7) 4 killer bees (D:7) 9 wights 2 crimson imps Dowan (D:5) A goliath beetle (D:4) A quasit (D:5) 6 orc priests Crazy Yiuf (D:2) 7 orc wizards 4 worker ants A hound (D:4) An iguana (D:6) 2 sheep (D:6) A big kobold skeleton (D:7) A mummy (D:8) 3 gnolls (D:7) 5 adders A giant mite (D:4) An inept feature mimic (D:6) 2 shadow imps (D:7) 4 worms 3 adder skeletons 2 orc skeletons 6 giant geckos 18 orcs A bat zombie (D:7) 6 giant cockroaches 12 hobgoblins 4 jackals (D:4) 12 kobolds 6 quokkas 2 ball pythons (D:2) 9 bats 5 giant newts A giant spore (D:7) 12 goblins A hobgoblin skeleton (D:6) A hobgoblin zombie (D:7) A jackal skeleton (D:5) 2 quokka zombies 14 rats 199 creatures vanquished. Notes Turn | Place | Note -------------------------------------------------------------- 0 | D:1 | Blomdor, the Troll Monk, began the quest for the Orb. 0 | D:1 | Reached XP level 1. HP: 22/22 MP: 1/1 217 | D:1 | Reached XP level 2. HP: 26/29 MP: 1/1 776 | D:2 | Noticed Crazy Yiuf 784 | D:2 | Killed Crazy Yiuf 784 | D:2 | Reached XP level 3. HP: 27/37 MP: 2/2 1194 | D:3 | Reached XP level 4. HP: 48/48 MP: 2/2 1306 | D:3 | Noticed a giant frog 1313 | D:3 | Killed a giant frog 1313 | D:3 | Reached skill level 5 in Unarmed Combat 1313 | D:3 | Reached XP level 5. HP: 32/54 MP: 2/2 1878 | D:4 | Found Koosyowo's Armour Shop. 1941 | D:4 | Found an iron altar of Okawaru. 1942 | D:4 | Found a burning altar of Makhleb. 1944 | D:4 | Found a basalt altar of Yredelemnul. 1945 | D:4 | Found a white marble altar of Elyvilon. 1946 | D:4 | Found an ancient bone altar of Kikubaaqudgha. 1947 | D:4 | Found a shattered altar of Ashenzari. 1947 | D:4 | Found a shimmering altar of Xom. 2106 | D:4 | Reached XP level 6. HP: 62/62 MP: 3/3 2156 | D:4 | Reached skill level 6 in Unarmed Combat 2166 | D:4 | Found a burning altar of Makhleb. 2168 | D:4 | Noticed a blizzard demon 2488 | D:4 | Found a staircase to the Ecumenical Temple. 2925 | D:5 | Entered Level 5 of the Dungeon 2925 | D:5 | Noticed Duvessa 2929 | D:5 | Noticed Dowan 3241 | D:5 | Killed Dowan 3291 | D:5 | Killed Duvessa 3350 | D:5 | Noticed Menkaure 3360 | D:5 | Killed Menkaure 3360 | D:5 | Reached skill level 7 in Unarmed Combat 3360 | D:5 | Reached XP level 7. HP: 68/71 MP: 3/3 3459 | D:5 | Reached skill level 5 in Fighting 3595 | D:5 | Found Sebraywu's Assorted Antiques. 3611 | D:5 | Bought a white potion for 26 gold pieces 3611 | D:5 | Bought an oily brown potion {tried by monster} for 26 gold pieces 3611 | D:5 | Bought an oily brown potion {tried by monster} for 26 gold pieces 3611 | D:5 | Bought an orange potion for 26 gold pieces 3611 | D:5 | Bought a scroll labeled MNUERUERYSS for 29 gold pieces 3615 | D:5 | Reached skill level 10 in Dodging 3615 | D:5 | Reached XP level 8. HP: 47/80 MP: 3/3 4078 | D:6 | Found a radiant altar of Vehumet. 4150 | D:6 | Reached XP level 9. HP: 52/88 MP: 4/4 4252 | D:6 | Found a shadowy altar of Dithmenos. 4449 | D:6 | Noticed a cyclops 4465 | D:6 | Killed a cyclops 5000 | D:4 | Became a worshipper of Elyvilon the Healer 5000 | D:4 | Acquired Elyvilon's first power 5000 | D:4 | Acquired Elyvilon's second power 6902 | D:7 | Reached XP level 10. HP: 89/100 MP: 4/4 6993 | D:7 | Found a sparkling altar of Nemelex Xobeh. 7239 | D:8 | Found a sparkling altar of Nemelex Xobeh. 7417 | D:8 | Reached skill level 10 in Unarmed Combat 7638 | D:8 | Noticed Maurice 7656 | D:8 | Killed Maurice Action | 1- 3 | 4- 6 | 7- 9 | 10-12 || total -------------------------+-------+-------+-------+-------++------- Melee: Unarmed | 86 | 137 | 294 | 63 || 580 Evoke: Wand | | 1 | | || 1 Use: Scroll | | 3 | 13 | 2 || 18 Potion | | | 1 | || 1 Stab: Sleeping | 4 | | 3 | 1 || 8

About how far will 10 dodging skill get me before I should consider raising it again? It would take a very long time to get it much higher on the low level monsters I'm currently still fighting. At the moment, I'm just raising unarmed combat and fighting, with an emphasis on the former.

Thursday, 1st May 2014, 06:40 by Patashu

Thalfon wrote:
Patashu wrote:6) If you see an altar of Elyvilon, TSO or Zin, you can worship them for free, because if you abandon them, their wrath never kicks in unless you worship one of the evil gods, of which Jiyva is not one. Even if you don't train invo at all, or decide to use their abilities at all, they have a chance to save your life instead of you dying, and if e.g. you take Elyvilon you can hoover up all the weapons in the dungeon and get a few invo 0 casts of minor healing or be able to turn on lifesaving.

Zin doesn't like you switching to chaotic gods either, and Jiyva counts. (The others are Xom, Lugonu and Makhleb.)

The evil gods are Beogh, Lugonu, Kikubaaqudgha, Yredelemnul, Makhleb. So Zin would have hated Lugonu and Makhleb anyway. But Xom and Jiyva are good points (Jiyva being the only one that you'd care about normally playing the game, hah, how about that)

Alright. Thanks; I did not know this about the good gods. I've never been with Elyvilon. Any helpful guidelines for making good use of the advantages Ely provides while I try to make it down to Jiyva?

-Until ** piety, you can pray over a weapon to break it and receive piety. After ** piety, only 'evil' weapons increase it further (draining and pain and demon and venom? and stuff, IIRC).
-You need good invo to make use of healing enemies to pacify them, but unless you were going to train invo anyway, don't do it just for Elyvilon. Invo also increases the strength of using lesser/greater healing on yourself (which does cost piety). Involess lesser healing doesn't give a huge amount of HP - a mere 2d3 + 1.
-If you're in a hairy situation you can turn on 'Divine Protection' which will increase Elyvilon's likelihood in a piety-dependent way of saving your life if you would have died instead. However, Elyvilon penance will turn on if you kill a natural creature during Divine Protection. (Demons, undead, holies, etc are fine, and merely injuring them is also fine.)
-I think you can get into penance with a good god then abandon them and the penance is not acted out, but I don't remember well enough so don't quote me on it.
Again, you're basically only getting ely because there's no downside to abandoning her for jiyva and because she might do lifesaving on you if you seriously fuck up. It's just better than having no god in the mean time.

Thursday, 1st May 2014, 07:00 by and into

Until a certain piety level, you can gain piety with Ely by sacrificing any weapons, and you always get piety from sacrificing evil weapons, which consist of demon weapons of all kinds, as well as any weapons with pain or draining ego, and also probably artefact weapons that are evil like Sword of Zonguldrok or Cerebov's Sword. Ely has no particular beef with venom and thus after a certain piety level you cannot sacrifice poison needles, weapons of venom, etc., as they don't count as evil in Ely's view.

Thursday, 1st May 2014, 07:19 by Blomdor

Died in the Abyss. Of course. Always the Abyss. Because thrashing horrors, vampires, and everything else that lives down there is just right for an XL 11 character. Lesson: just don't ever melee Sonja, even if your wands are out of charges and you don't seem to have much of a choice besides trying to run.

Thread still open as I will be trying TrMo until I win, but dear God is there really no way to stay the hell out of what is ostensibly an optional branch? I can't find a way. I don't want to see the place, smell it, be in it, and I especially don't want to get sent there against my will, but anything with a distortion weapon will send you there, ogre mages (which are found by the dozens later) can send you there, elves can send you there, Erolcha can send you there, liches can send you there, messing with distortion weapons in general can send you there, decks can send you there, etc. etc. etc. Lugonu starts you in it. Oh, joy. Do we really need this many ways to get send to this optional branch that has evidently been designed solely as a punishment and a killhole for players that make any number of mistakes in the game?

(complaincomplaincomplain)

I shall return to the thread when I have another TrMo going that looks to be getting somewhere. Apologies. Apparently, making a thread marks my characters for Abyssal doom somehow.

Thursday, 1st May 2014, 07:55 by Turukano

I don't want to see the [abyss], smell it, be in it, and I especially don't want to get sent there against my will, but anything with a distortion weapon will send you there

Don't fight enemies when they have distortion weapons.

ogre mages (which are found by the dozens later) can send you there, elves can send you there, Erolcha can send you there, liches can send you there

Kill them quickly or avoid the fight if you don't have enough MR.

Three general problems with trolls and possible solutions:

Bad defence as they start with low AC and low EV.
Consider starting with a fighter as you will enter the dungeon with a shield. Shields are not as important as AC or EV but better than no defence. Although they reduce your UC it's worth wielding them.
No ranged attacks in early game as rocks are uncommon at early levels.
Consider starting with a hunter, this will give you rocks from the very start.
You are detected immediately as trolls' stealth is very bad.
Consider pushing at least some XP into stealth. -4 aptitude is bad but early skill levels are always cheap.

*******

Thread still open as I will be trying TrMo until I win

No.
Try not.
Do - or do not.
There is no try.

Friday, 2nd May 2014, 00:12 by Blomdor

I am trying out Makhleb. I've really not given it much of a chance yet and I'm finding that all of these gods that I completely ignored while I had berserkeritis are really awesome. Makhleb's healing sounds nice on a troll, and it sounds like I get a ranged energy attack as well to deal with things like hydras that will kill me in melee.

I'm really not sure about the demon summoning abilities, though. They sound like they can very easily backfire. How much can I expect them to help me? Can I use them like Brothers in Arms i.e. any old situation where I think I need the help, or should it only be used in pure desperation? The idea of making a bad situation almost unwinnable by spending a turn to land a hostile demon next to me is not appealing. Everything else sounds great and I'm looking forward to playing around with it. Wish me luck.

Friday, 2nd May 2014, 00:21 by Patashu

Blomdor wrote:I'm really not sure about the demon summoning abilities, though. They sound like they can very easily backfire. How much can I expect them to help me? Can I use them like Brothers in Arms i.e. any old situation where I think I need the help, or should it only be used in pure desperation? The idea of making a bad situation almost unwinnable by spending a turn to land a hostile demon next to me is not appealing. Everything else sounds great and I'm looking forward to playing around with it. Wish me luck.

The trick to makhleb demon summoning is instead of using it at 50% or lower hp, use it before you've even lost any HP. Then if it's hostile you can abandon ship right away and not be in too much danger.

Friday, 2nd May 2014, 00:23 by and into

All of makhleb's active abilities except lesser destruction can backfire to a certain extent. Basically, the trick is 1.) not to use them in situations when you absolutely need a 100% reliable form of help as a last resort; 2.) don't use them on a character that is too low level such that a misfire can gank your character; 3.) don't use them if you lack a way to escape (like ?teleportation) if needed. (Lesser destruction can be used much more liberally/cavalierly, however.)

Keep the above in mind, however, and they are extremely powerful abilities. And for a troll you don't have to worry about 2. as much, cause you are a giant sack of HP. Just summon them early in a fight; if it comes out hostile, you are still at (nearly) full HP to retreat.

For quite some time, summoning two or three lesser servants will be safer than a greater servant, and still sufficiently powerful to clear tough fights. Once you get into depths though your lesser servants will start to be definitively outclassed, but at that point a hostile greater servant summon is not that scary, either.

Getting invocations ~6 or 7 when lesser servants become available would be a good idea. If you like the conjurations-like abilities, put in a bit more. Eventually you'll want 11 or 12 invocations for greater servant. You can go a bit higher than that late game if you find yourself liking the major destruction a lot.

Friday, 2nd May 2014, 00:46 by Blomdor

Makhleb is a very helpful fellow to have around. This is probably the earliest I've ever been able to take on a bailey with orc knights and warriors in it (unfortunately, the only loot was a bunch of gold, but at least that means more money to spend on Orc shops if they have anything nice in them).

I love minor destruction so far and am definitely raising invocations. Very, very nice to have a ranged bolt attack on a character with too low int to hope to learn most spells of that type.

Code:: Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.14.1-1-g650416f (webtiles) character file. Blomdor the Grappler (Troll Monk) Turns: 6055, Time: 00:26:40 HP 80/102 AC 7 Str 23 XL: 10 Next: 12% MP 13/13 EV 13 Int 6 God: Makhleb [*****.] Gold 991 SH 0 Dex 15 Spells: 0 memorised, 9 levels left rFire . . . SeeInvis . - Unarmed rCold . . . Clarity . a - +0 robe rNeg . . . Conserve . (shield restricted) rPois . rCorr . (helmet restricted) rElec . rRot . p - +1 cloak SustAb . . Spirit . (gloves unavailable) rMut . Warding . (boots unavailable) Gourm + Stasis . (no amulet) MR ..... c - +2 ring of strength g - ring of sustenance @: not resistant to hostile enchantments, unstealthy A: unfitting armour, claws 3, fast metabolism 3, gourmand, regeneration 2, saprovore 2, shaggy fur 1, tough skin 2 a: Minor Destruction, Lesser Servant of Makhleb, Major Destruction, Greater Servant of Makhleb, Renounce Religion You are on level 8 of the Dungeon. You worship Makhleb. Makhleb is extremely pleased with you. You are completely stuffed. You have visited 1 branch of the dungeon, and seen 8 of its levels. You have also visited: Bailey. You have collected 991 gold pieces. Inventory: Missiles d - a tomahawk of returning (quivered) Armour a - a +0 robe (worn) p - a +1 cloak (worn) F - a steam dragon hide Magical devices l - a wand of cold {empty} w - a short fluorescent wand Comestibles b - 5 meat rations f - 4 bread rations j - an orange o - 3 apples u - an apricot v - a choko x - a pear C - 2 chunks of giant frog flesh E - 3 chunks of steam dragon flesh Scrolls i - 5 scrolls of identify k - 5 scrolls of remove curse m - a scroll of fear n - a scroll of fog r - a scroll of recharging t - a scroll of blinking z - a scroll of teleportation A - a scroll of enchant armour B - a scroll of enchant weapon II D - a scroll labeled ANAULAYPRA Jewellery c - a +2 ring of strength (right claw) g - a ring of sustenance (left claw) q - an uncursed ring of sustain abilities Potions e - 2 potions of agility h - 4 potions of curing s - a potion of haste Books y - the Collected Works on Bewitchment (You found it on level 6 of the Dungeon) Spells Type Level Corona Hexes 1 Ensorcelled Hibernation Hexes/Ice 2 Confuse Hexes 3 Fulminant Prism Conjuration/Hexes 4 Skills: * Level 7.6 Fighting + Level 5.5 Dodging - Level 1.1 Stealth * Level 9.5 Unarmed Combat + Level 5.3 Invocations You have 9 spell levels left. You don't know any spells. Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations Branches: Dungeon (8/15) Temple (0/1) D:7 Lair: D:8-11 Altars: Makhleb Trog Yredelemnul The Shining One Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations You are too large for most types of armour. You have claws for hands. Your metabolism is lightning-fast. You like to eat raw meat. You heal very quickly. You can eat rotten meat. You are covered in fur (AC +1). You have very tough skin (AC +2). Message History You claw the steam dragon! You kill the steam dragon! Makhleb accepts your kill. You feel a little better. No target in view! No target in view! No target in view! No target in view! No target in view! No target in view! No target in view! You see here a steam dragon corpse. You start butchering the steam dragon corpse. You continue butchering the corpse. x3 You finish butchering the steam dragon corpse. E - 3 chunks of steam dragon flesh Things that are here: a steam dragon skeleton; a steam dragon hide Unknown command. F - a steam dragon hide ##### ... ... ..# ... #.# ### #.# #.# ..########## #.# #.######### #..........# #.# #.##......# ##########.#####@# #.##.##.... #.#...#.# #.##.##.#.. ###### #.....#.# #.##.##.... ......######...#.# #.##.##.#.# #####.#..........# #.##.##.#.# #.#####.#### #.##.##.#.# #.# #<##.##...# #.# #(......... .# #.# ####....... There are no monsters in sight! Vanquished Creatures Pikel (D:4) 2 orc knights (Bailey) A steam dragon (D:8) 4 ugly things (D:8) 2 ice beasts An ogre (D:6) 4 orc warriors 3 centaurs 2 giant frogs 2 scorpions 6 killer bees (D:8) A wyvern skeleton (D:7) A quasit (D:7) A crimson imp (D:7) 6 orc wizards Crazy Yiuf (D:3) A centaur skeleton (D:4) An iguana (D:4) A jelly (D:7) An orc priest (D:7) 8 worker ants Ijyb (D:3) 4 gnolls (D:5) 13 adders 2 giant mites 3 worms An adder skeleton (D:7) 3 giant geckos An ooze (D:1) 32 orcs 9 giant cockroaches 10 hobgoblins 4 jackals 3 quokkas 11 bats 7 giant newts A giant newt zombie (D:5) 14 goblins 16 kobolds A kobold skeleton (D:4) A kobold zombie (D:8) 15 rats A rat zombie (D:7) 203 creatures vanquished. Vanquished Creatures (others) The ghost of xccam the Covert, an experienced OpAs (D:4) A slave (D:4) A rat skeleton (D:4) 3 creatures vanquished. Grand Total: 206 creatures vanquished Notes Turn | Place | Note -------------------------------------------------------------- 0 | D:1 | Blomdor, the Troll Monk, began the quest for the Orb. 0 | D:1 | Reached XP level 1. HP: 22/22 MP: 1/1 119 | D:1 | Reached XP level 2. HP: 26/29 MP: 1/1 453 | D:2 | Reached XP level 3. HP: 36/36 MP: 2/2 809 | D:2 | Reached XP level 4. HP: 45/45 MP: 2/2 810 | D:2 | Found a burning altar of Makhleb. 841 | D:2 | Became a worshipper of Makhleb the Destroyer 841 | D:2 | Acquired Makhleb's first power 841 | D:2 | Acquired Makhleb's second power 1105 | D:3 | Noticed Ijyb 1112 | D:3 | Killed Ijyb 1216 | D:3 | Reached skill level 5 in Unarmed Combat 1528 | D:3 | Noticed a moth of wrath 1530 | D:3 | Found a bloodstained altar of Trog. 1553 | D:3 | Reached XP level 5. HP: 53/53 MP: 2/2 1779 | D:3 | Noticed Crazy Yiuf 1786 | D:3 | Killed Crazy Yiuf 2149 | D:4 | Reached skill level 1 in Invocations 2216 | D:4 | Reached XP level 6. HP: 62/62 MP: 4/4 2230 | D:4 | Noticed a slave 2231 | D:4 | Noticed Pikel 2232 | D:4 | Noticed a slave 2233 | D:4 | Noticed a slave 2234 | D:4 | Noticed a slave 2247 | D:4 | Killed Pikel 2247 | D:4 | Acquired Makhleb's third power 2247 | D:4 | Reached skill level 6 in Unarmed Combat 2247 | D:4 | Reached XP level 7. HP: 42/71 MP: 4/5 2425 | D:4 | Killed xccam's ghost 2940 | D:4 | Reached skill level 5 in Fighting 2952 | D:4 | Killed a freed slave 2963 | D:5 | Entered Level 5 of the Dungeon 3131 | D:5 | Found a basalt altar of Yredelemnul. 3156 | D:5 | Reached XP level 8. HP: 43/80 MP: 6/6 3251 | D:5 | Found a glowing golden altar of the Shining One. 3286 | D:5 | Reached skill level 7 in Unarmed Combat 3679 | D:6 | Acquired Makhleb's fourth power 3965 | D:6 | Identified the Collected Works on Bewitchment 4147 | D:7 | Found a staircase to the Ecumenical Temple. 4224 | D:7 | Found a flagged portal. 4427 | Bailey | Entered a bailey 4573 | Bailey | Noticed an orc knight 4573 | Bailey | Noticed an orc knight 4595 | Bailey | Killed an orc knight 4595 | Bailey | Reached skill level 8 in Unarmed Combat 4595 | Bailey | Reached XP level 9. HP: 82/89 MP: 10/10 4613 | Bailey | Killed an orc knight 4613 | Bailey | Reached skill level 5 in Dodging 4656 | Bailey | Acquired Makhleb's fifth power 5457 | D:8 | Reached skill level 9 in Unarmed Combat 5591 | D:8 | Reached skill level 5 in Invocations 5759 | D:8 | Reached XP level 10. HP: 83/102 MP: 12/12 Action | 1- 3 | 4- 6 | 7- 9 | 10-12 || total -------------------------+-------+-------+-------+-------++------- Melee: Unarmed | 79 | 117 | 364 | 46 || 606 Invok: Minor Destruction | | | 4 | || 4 Evoke: Wand | | | 3 | || 3 Use: Scroll | 4 | | 11 | || 15 Potion | 4 | | 6 | || 10 Stab: Sleeping | | | 3 | || 3

I am *seriously* considering using that enchant armour scroll right here and now to get steam dragon armour. I feel like I should take what I can get. Waiting till Lair:8 and trying to wrest a hide from a fire dragon or something has never, ever worked out for me, I don't think. However, sometimes I only find two or three scrolls and in that case I'd be stuck with +0 steam dragon armour for a long time. It's better than a +0 robe, though, is it not?

EDIT: I did. Just couldn't pass up the armour upgrade.

EDIT: Psyche is hanging out on D:10, and Lair hasn't been generated yet. Her spell set includes paralysis and haste, and she has a hill giant following her around. I had to use both my blinking scrolls to get away, and I didn't even try to fight her or anything. Feeling a bit down about the consumable use, but it's better than dying I guess.

EDIT: Fell down a shaft two floors after going downstairs from Psyche, had to run from ravens and Tengu warriors and go downstairs again, and finally killed by an eight headed hydra, an orc priest, and a centaur warrior.

Sometimes the game really just wants you dead.

Friday, 2nd May 2014, 02:22 by Blomdor

Promising character dead in the abyss to a lich while running from three unborns. XL 11 when it got there, 12 when it died.

I would mind the Abyss a lot less if it did not throw the same monsters at all characters indiscriminately. An XL 12 character is not ready for a lich, or three unborns at once, or raijus, or starcursed masses, or most anything that I see down there besides minor demons and abominations. The lich summoned an *ice fiend* on me. How am I supposed to survive for even two turns with an ice fiend and a lich around when I am level freaking *12*? I can't even blink. Teleport takes forever. I like the flavor of the Abyss but I just don't see why an XL 11 or 12 character should be forced to try (and most likely fail) to deal with far into post-endgame-level enemies just because some goblin got really lucky.

Found three ways down deeper and one altar to Lugonu, which I should have taken because Makhleb's wrath would have been more survivable than the Abyss, apparently.

Well, if after twenty tries you don't succeed, try, and try again.

I'm not as mad as I sound. Figured I should point it out considering how much I rant about it. I am having a *ton* of fun, Abyss or no. I just need to...find some way to better my tactics and stop getting Abyssed. And the above complaint stands; it really doesn't feel right having to run from ice fiends this early on.

Friday, 2nd May 2014, 07:28 by Sprucery

Play some Conjurers for a change. When you kill everything from afar, they won't be able to hit you with distortion weapons.

Friday, 2nd May 2014, 08:40 by Blomdor

I want to do that sometime, but I'm addicted to monks and I really, really like trolls, so this has been a fixation of mine lately.

Code:: Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.14.1-1-g650416f (webtiles) character file. Blomdor the Grappler (Troll Monk) Turns: 12033, Time: 00:47:19 HP 122/122 AC 8 Str 23 XL: 12 Next: 28% MP 17/17 EV 17 Int 9 God: Nemelex Xobeh [*****.] Gold 815 SH 0 Dex 21 Spells: 0 memorised, 11 levels left rFire . . . SeeInvis . - Unarmed rCold . . . Clarity + a - +0 robe rNeg . . . Conserve . (shield restricted) rPois + rCorr . j - +2 hat rElec . rRot . J - +0 cloak SustAb . . Spirit . (gloves unavailable) rMut . Warding . (boots unavailable) Gourm + Stasis . i - amulet "Neugacla" {Clar Int+3 Dam+3} MR ..... m - ring of poison resistance H - cursed ring of the Gastropod {Str+1 Dex+5 Acc+4 Dam+5} @: not resistant to hostile enchantments, fairly stealthy A: unfitting armour, claws 3, fast metabolism 3, gourmand, regeneration 2, saprovore 2, shaggy fur 1, tough skin 2 a: Draw One, Peek at Two, Triple Draw, Deal Four, Stack Five, Renounce Religion You are on level 3 of the Lair of Beasts. You worship Nemelex Xobeh. Nemelex Xobeh is extremely pleased with you. You are full. You have visited 3 branches of the dungeon, and seen 13 of its levels. You have collected 815 gold pieces. Inventory: Armour a - a +0 robe (worn) j - a +2 hat (worn) J - a +0 cloak (worn) Magical devices c - a wand of digging {zapped: 1} g - a wand of fireball {zapped: 1} t - a wand of frost {zapped: 1} v - a wand of enslavement {zapped: 1} E - a wand of teleportation {zapped: 1} M - a wand of fireball O - a wand of slowing {zapped: 1} Comestibles b - 3 meat rations f - 8 bread rations o - 14 pears x - an orange z - a chunk of quokka flesh B - 2 lychees F - 3 apples I - 9 strawberries K - 2 rambutans N - 4 chokos Scrolls k - 6 scrolls of teleportation r - 4 scrolls of remove curse s - 2 scrolls of blinking D - 2 scrolls of magic mapping Jewellery i - the amulet "Neugacla" (around neck) {Clar Int+3 Dam+3} (You found it on level 3 of the Lair of Beasts) [amulet of clarity] It affects your intelligence (+3). It affects your damage with ranged weapons and melee attacks (+3). m - a ring of poison resistance (right claw) H - the cursed ring of the Gastropod (left claw) {Str+1 Dex+5 Acc+4 Dam+5} (You found it on level 7 of the Dungeon) [ring of slaying] It affects your accuracy with ranged weapons and melee attacks (+4). It affects your damage with ranged weapons and melee attacks (+5). It affects your strength (+1). It affects your dexterity (+5). It has a curse placed upon it. Potions d - 9 potions of curing l - a potion of invisibility n - a potion of flight p - a potion of agility q - 2 potions of heal wounds u - 2 potions of resistance C - a potion of restore abilities G - 3 potions of lignification Miscellaneous e - a legendary deck of destruction {drawn: 3} h - a legendary deck of escape {drawn: 1} w - a plain deck of destruction {drawn: 5} L - an ornate deck of destruction {drawn: 1} P - a legendary deck of summonings {drawn: 1} Q - an ornate deck of escape {drawn: 1} R - a plain deck of defence {drawn: 3} Skills: + Level 8.5 Fighting + Level 8.2 Dodging - Level 1.1 Stealth * Level 13.8 Unarmed Combat + Level 6.1 Evocations You have 11 spell levels left. You don't know any spells. Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations Branches: Dungeon (9/15) Temple (1/1) D:4 Orc (0/4) D:9 Lair (3/8) D:8 Swamp: Lair:3-6 Shoals: Lair:3-6 Snake: Lair:3-6 Spider: Lair:3-6 Altars: Ashenzari Cheibriados Dithmenos Elyvilon Fedhas Kikubaaqudgha Makhleb Nemelex Xobeh Okawaru Sif Muna Trog Vehumet Xom Yredelemnul Zin The Shining One Shops: D:4 ( Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations You are too large for most types of armour. You have claws for hands. Your metabolism is lightning-fast. You like to eat raw meat. You heal very quickly. You can eat rotten meat. You are covered in fur (AC +1). You have very tough skin (AC +2). Message History Identify which item? (\ to view known items) (? for menu, Esc to quit) As you read the scroll of identify, it crumbles to dust. i - the amulet "Neugacla" {Clar Int+3 Dam+3} Put on which piece of jewellery? (? for menu, Esc to quit) You feel clever. i - the amulet "Neugacla" (around neck) {Clar Int+3 Dam+3} You see here a spear. A porcupine comes into view. A porcupine is nearby! A giant mite comes into view. The porcupine closely misses you. You are struck by the porcupine's spines. You claw the porcupine! You kill the porcupine! You eviscerate the giant mite!!! You kill the giant mite! No target in view! No target in view! No target in view! No target in view! #....................... #...#.................P. #...#.................#P ##..[.......#...#.#..##. #..........#.#.#.#.#.P## ##..................#### ##........###.......##.## ............#...>......#♣♣ .f.f.....@...#.......#.#♣. ..#.....................♣ #...#......#.......#.... ###.#...............###. ..##.....#.#.#.#.#.##. #..............###. #.#.............### .. ..............## . ................ There are no monsters in sight! Vanquished Creatures A hill giant (D:8) A black mamba (Lair:3) Psyche (D:8) A gargoyle (D:8) A giant firefly (Lair:2) 4 spiny frogs 2 komodo dragons 2 trolls 2 ravens (Lair:3) A polar bear (D:8) Prince Ribbit (D:5) 16 blink frogs 6 grizzly bears 3 basilisks (Lair:2) 16 yaks A spriggan (Lair:2) A deep elf fighter (D:8) A wyvern (D:4) A hungry ghost (D:9) Eustachio (D:4) A shark (Lair:1) 2 hogs A steam dragon (D:7) 3 hippogriffs 3 water moccasins 4 porcupines A giant goldfish (Lair:1) 5 black bears (D:8) A phantom (D:8) 4 orc warriors 2 sky beasts 3 centaurs 2 giant slugs 6 crocodiles Blork the orc (D:8) 2 big kobolds (D:8) 6 giant frogs A scorpion (Lair:2) 3 wights (D:8) A water moccasin skeleton (D:9) 4 killer bees (D:9) 2 electric eels (Lair:1) A giant frog zombie (D:5) 2 jellies A goliath beetle (D:7) 2 crimson imps A big fish (Lair:1) A gnoll shaman (D:6) 6 hounds 2 orc priests Crazy Yiuf (D:2) 8 orc wizards A giant frog skeleton (D:6) A two-headed ogre skeleton (D:6) Natasha (thrice) (D:5) 4 iguanas An orange rat (D:9) 9 sheep 5 worker ants A sky beast zombie (D:7) A crocodile zombie (D:5) An ogre skeleton (D:7) A mummy (D:7) 10 gnolls 18 adders 36 green rats 3 giant mites An inept feature mimic (D:7) 2 worms 3 shadow imps 3 giant eyeballs 6 giant geckos 35 orcs 2 ball pythons (D:3) 23 bats A bat zombie (D:4) 2 giant cockroaches 8 goblins 11 hobgoblins 7 jackals 6 quokkas 7 giant newts A giant newt zombie (D:5) A giant spore (D:9) A hobgoblin skeleton (D:7) 25 kobolds 32 rats 3 ballistomycetes (D:9) A bush (D:3) 2 butterflies 2 fungi (Lair:1) 426 creatures vanquished. Vanquished Creatures (others) A bat (D:8) A bush (D:3) 2 creatures vanquished. Grand Total: 428 creatures vanquished Notes Turn | Place | Note -------------------------------------------------------------- 0 | D:1 | Blomdor, the Troll Monk, began the quest for the Orb. 0 | D:1 | Reached XP level 1. HP: 22/22 MP: 1/1 607 | D:2 | Reached XP level 2. HP: 29/29 MP: 1/1 739 | D:2 | Reached XP level 3. HP: 31/36 MP: 2/2 780 | D:2 | Noticed Crazy Yiuf 785 | D:2 | Killed Crazy Yiuf 993 | D:2 | Reached XP level 4. HP: 44/44 MP: 2/2 1352 | D:3 | Reached skill level 5 in Unarmed Combat 1362 | D:3 | Found a shattered altar of Ashenzari. 1379 | D:3 | HP: 2/45 [gnoll/spear (6)] 1771 | D:3 | Reached XP level 5. HP: 53/53 MP: 2/2 2187 | D:4 | Noticed a wyvern 2193 | D:4 | Killed a wyvern 2193 | D:4 | Reached skill level 6 in Unarmed Combat 2193 | D:4 | Reached XP level 6. HP: 43/62 MP: 3/3 2786 | D:4 | Noticed Eustachio 2808 | D:4 | Killed Eustachio 2808 | D:4 | Reached XP level 7. HP: 14/70 MP: 3/3 3076 | D:4 | Found Neaxywah's Weapon Shop. 3082 | D:4 | Found a staircase to the Ecumenical Temple. 3096 | Temple | Entered the Ecumenical Temple 3139 | Temple | Became a worshipper of Nemelex Xobeh the Trickster 3139 | Temple | Received a gift from Nemelex Xobeh 3139 | Temple | Acquired Nemelex Xobeh's first power 3381 | D:1 | Acquired Nemelex Xobeh's second power 4036 | D:3 | Acquired Nemelex Xobeh's third power 4481 | D:5 | Entered Level 5 of the Dungeon 4485 | D:5 | Noticed Natasha 4495 | D:5 | Killed Natasha 4587 | D:5 | Noticed Natasha 4595 | D:5 | Killed Natasha 4595 | D:5 | Reached skill level 7 in Unarmed Combat 5055 | D:5 | Noticed Prince Ribbit 5073 | D:5 | Killed Prince Ribbit 5073 | D:5 | Reached XP level 8. HP: 38/79 MP: 3/3 5160 | D:5 | Reached skill level 8 in Unarmed Combat 5215 | D:5 | Noticed Natasha 5223 | D:5 | Killed Natasha 5363 | D:6 | Noticed a troll 5370 | D:6 | Killed a troll 5370 | D:6 | Reached skill level 5 in Fighting 6290 | D:7 | Got a faintly glowing granite ring 6310 | D:7 | Reached skill level 5 in Dodging 6347 | D:7 | Identified the ring of the Gastropod {Str+1 Dex+5 Acc+4 Dam+5} (You found it on level 7 of the Dungeon) 6387 | D:7 | Reached skill level 9 in Unarmed Combat 6517 | D:7 | Acquired Nemelex Xobeh's fourth power 6643 | D:7 | Reached XP level 9. HP: 70/88 MP: 4/4 6694 | D:7 | Found a radiant altar of Vehumet. 6695 | D:7 | Found a glowing silver altar of Zin. 7012 | D:7 | Received a gift from Nemelex Xobeh 7065 | D:8 | Paralysed by a giant eyeball for 3 turns 7077 | D:8 | Paralysed by a giant eyeball for 3 turns 7123 | D:8 | Reached skill level 10 in Unarmed Combat 7173 | D:8 | Reached skill level 1 in Evocations 7189 | D:8 | Noticed a hill giant 7201 | D:8 | Killed a hill giant 7218 | D:8 | Received a gift from Nemelex Xobeh 7235 | D:8 | Paralysed by a giant eyeball for 3 turns 7387 | D:8 | Noticed a gargoyle 7394 | D:8 | Killed a gargoyle 7445 | D:8 | Found a staircase to the Lair. 7452 | D:8 | Reached XP level 10. HP: 100/100 MP: 7/7 7555 | D:8 | Noticed Psyche 7557 | D:8 | Noticed Blork the orc 7564 | D:8 | Killed Psyche 7567 | D:8 | Killed Blork the orc 7567 | D:8 | Reached skill level 11 in Unarmed Combat 7801 | D:8 | Acquired Nemelex Xobeh's fifth power 8239 | D:9 | Received a gift from Nemelex Xobeh 8582 | D:9 | Found a white marble altar of Elyvilon. 8591 | D:9 | Found a staircase to the Orcish Mines. 8850 | D:8 | Reached skill level 12 in Unarmed Combat 8859 | D:8 | Reached XP level 11. HP: 30/109 MP: 11/11 9129 | Lair:1 | Entered Level 1 of the Lair of Beasts 9135 | Lair:1 | Received a gift from Nemelex Xobeh 9910 | Lair:1 | Reached skill level 5 in Evocations 10093 | Lair:1 | HP: 3/110 [blink frog (16)] 10310 | Lair:2 | Reached skill level 13 in Unarmed Combat 10321 | Lair:2 | Received a gift from Nemelex Xobeh 10759 | Lair:2 | Received a gift from Nemelex Xobeh 10976 | Lair:2 | Noticed a spriggan rider 10984 | Lair:2 | Killed a spriggan 10987 | Lair:2 | Killed a giant firefly 10987 | Lair:2 | Reached XP level 12. HP: 73/120 MP: 16/16 11938 | Lair:3 | Got a warped bone amulet 11974 | Lair:3 | Identified the amulet "Neugacla" {Clar Int+3 Dam+3} (You found it on level 3 of the Lair of Beasts) Action | 1- 3 | 4- 6 | 7- 9 | 10-12 || total -------------------------+-------+-------+-------+-------++------- Melee: Unarmed | 39 | 175 | 364 | 526 || 1104 Invok: Draw One | | | 3 | 14 || 17 Triple Draw | | | | 1 || 1 Evoke: Wand | | 1 | | 6 || 7 Use: Scroll | 5 | 7 | 13 | 3 || 28 Potion | | 1 | 1 | 3 || 5 Stab: Sleeping | | 1 | 3 | 4 || 8 Distracted | | | | 1 || 1

These are two of the best pieces of jewelery I've ever found. The DPS on this one is absolutely brutal. He cannot take many hits, though, and I'm again faced with the choice of using my single scroll of enchant armour on steam dragon hide or waiting for something better. I'm inclined towards the latter at the moment, and hoping for a Lair:8 with a few dragons. If I don't get any better hides before Orc, though, I may have to use the scroll because I will need the AC badly if I am to be swarmed with orc knights or worse.

Friday, 2nd May 2014, 09:52 by Bart

Don't wait with enchanting steam dragon hide. Do it now.
1) One of the worst habits is keeping your goodies for later and dying because of not using them.
2) Dragons are not guaranteed in near future. Even if they were, their hides aren't.
3) Fire dragon armour or Ice dragon armour isn't instant remedy to bad defenses - your EV will go down and your attack speed will drop slightly, too. You have no rF+ or rC+ source and wearing rC- / rF- armour is dangerous in such case. You have trained no armour so far, which is reasonable, but also means that AC gain will be not impressive.
4) You'll get more enchant armour scrolls. Don't be too bound to the first one.

Friday, 2nd May 2014, 14:47 by Blomdor

The current state of affairs:

Code:: Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.14.1-1-g650416f (webtiles) character file. Blomdor the Brawler (Troll Monk) Turns: 31974, Time: 02:43:05 HP 182/182 AC 21 Str 25 (26) XL: 18 Next: 17% MP 27/27 EV 17 Int 8 God: Nemelex Xobeh [******] Gold 1647 SH 0 Dex 23 Spells: 1 memorised, 22 levels left rFire + + . SeeInvis . - Unarmed rCold x . . Clarity + x - +4 fire dragon armour rNeg + . . Conserve . (shield restricted) rPois + rCorr . j - +2 hat rElec . rRot . V - +0 cloak "Scherar" {+Blink rN+ Stlth++} SustAb . . Spirit . (gloves unavailable) rMut . Warding . (boots unavailable) Gourm + Stasis . i - amulet "Neugacla" {Clar Int+3 Dam+3} MR +.... m - ring of poison resistance H - ring of the Gastropod {Str+1 Dex+5 Acc+4 Dam+5} @: somewhat resistant to hostile enchantments, fairly stealthy A: unfitting armour, claws 3, horns 1, deterioration 1, fast metabolism 3, gourmand, regeneration 2, saprovore 2, shaggy fur 1, tough skin 2 a: Draw One, Peek at Two, Triple Draw, Deal Four, Stack Five, Renounce Religion, Evoke Blink You are on level 1 of the Lair of Beasts. You worship Nemelex Xobeh. Nemelex Xobeh is exalted by your worship. You are not hungry. You have visited 5 branches of the dungeon, and seen 29 of its levels. You have visited 1 bazaar. You have also visited: Ice Cave and Volcano. You have collected 3372 gold pieces. You have spent 1725 gold pieces at shops. Inventory: Hand weapons B - a +2,+2 long sword of flaming Armour j - a +2 hat (worn) x - a +4 fire dragon armour (worn) V - the +0 cloak "Scherar" (worn) {+Blink rN+ Stlth++} (You acquired it on level 4 of the Lair of Beasts) It protects you from negative energy. It lets you blink. It makes you much more stealthy. Magical devices c - a wand of digging {zapped: 1} z - a wand of draining {zapped: 4} E - a wand of teleportation {zapped: 1} R - a wand of disintegration (5) Comestibles f - 16 bread rations k - an orange Scrolls e - a scroll of enchant weapon II s - 5 scrolls of blinking w - 2 scrolls of fog D - 3 scrolls of magic mapping G - 6 scrolls of remove curse J - 3 scrolls of fear K - 5 scrolls of teleportation Jewellery a - an uncursed ring of invisibility i - the amulet "Neugacla" (around neck) {Clar Int+3 Dam+3} (You found it on level 3 of the Lair of Beasts) [amulet of clarity] It affects your intelligence (+3). It affects your damage with ranged weapons and melee attacks (+3). m - a ring of poison resistance (right claw) t - an uncursed amulet of resist corrosion u - a dented jade amulet A - a dented bronze amulet H - the ring of the Gastropod (left claw) {Str+1 Dex+5 Acc+4 Dam+5} (You found it on level 7 of the Dungeon) [ring of slaying] It affects your accuracy with ranged weapons and melee attacks (+4). It affects your damage with ranged weapons and melee attacks (+5). It affects your strength (+1). It affects your dexterity (+5). Y - a +2 ring of dexterity Potions b - 2 potions of brilliance d - 16 potions of curing n - a potion of flight p - 5 potions of agility q - 3 potions of heal wounds r - 4 potions of berserk rage v - 3 potions of resistance C - 2 potions of restore abilities S - 5 potions of might Z - 5 potions of haste Miscellaneous o - a legendary deck of destruction {drawn: 1} y - a legendary deck of destruction {drawn: 2} I - a fan of gales N - a legendary deck of escape {drawn: 1} X - a legendary deck of summonings {drawn: 1} Skills: + Level 11.8 Fighting - Level 8.3 Armour + Level 11.6 Dodging - Level 1.1 Stealth * Level 18.7 Unarmed Combat - Level 3.7 Spellcasting - Level 6.6 Earth Magic - Level 10.0 Evocations You have 22 spell levels left. You know the following spells: Your Spells Type Power Failure Level Hunger a - Stoneskin Trmt/Erth #......... 21% 2 ###.... Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations Branches: Dungeon (15/15) Temple (1/1) D:4 Orc (4/4) D:9 Elf (0/3) Orc:4 Lair (8/8) D:8 Swamp (0/5) Lair:5 Spider (0/5) Lair:6 Slime (0/6) Lair:8 Vaults (0/5) D:14 Depths (1/5) D:15 Altars: Ashenzari Cheibriados Dithmenos Elyvilon Fedhas Kikubaaqudgha Makhleb Nemelex Xobeh Okawaru Sif Muna Trog Vehumet Xom Yredelemnul Zin The Shining One Beogh Shops: D:4 ( D:14 % Orc:4 ([%* Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations You are too large for most types of armour. You have claws for hands. Your metabolism is lightning-fast. You like to eat raw meat. You heal very quickly. You can eat rotten meat. You are covered in fur (AC +1). You have very tough skin (AC +2). You have a pair of small horns on your head. Your body is slowly deteriorating. Message History Confirm with . or Enter, or press ? or * to list all spells. Okay, then. Drop what? (_ for help) (? for menu, Esc to quit) You drop a plain deck of defence {drawn: 1}. You drop an ornate deck of destruction {drawn: 1}. You drop a ring of fire. You drop the +2 mottled dragon armour of Summertime {+Inv rF+ rN+}. Unknown command. There is a staircase back to the Dungeon here. Really walk into that teleport trap? [Y]es or [N]o only, please. Really walk into that teleport trap? [Y]es or [N]o only, please. Really walk into that teleport trap? Okay, then. Unknown command. Unknown command. You feel weakened. Save game and exit? Okay, then. ##..# ##'####### #.## #..# ##.# ##.### ### #..# #...### ##.######## #P.## #####.#.#P## #.........# #...### #..........####.........# ......###..........##.'.........# ......#.........^<.[#.#.........# ................@..##.#.........# .....ha.#.............#.........# .....a###..........#.#..........# .....U# #..........####.........# ....UU# ###.###.#### #.....^...# ......# #..#### #.###...### ##u.### #...## ### ##.## #...# ##P..# ##..# #.#### ##P.# #..## There are no monsters in sight! Vanquished Creatures Saint Roka (Depths:1) Agnes (D:15) Donald (Orc:4) An orc warlord (Orc:4) A stone giant (Depths:1) 2 fire dragons 4 vault guards Josephine (D:12) Fannar (Lair:6) An ice dragon (Depths:1) Harold (Orc:4) 3 rakshasas (Depths:1) Nessos (Orc:4) 4 hydras 13 death yaks 2 ogre magi (D:15) 2 orc high priests (Orc:4) A vampire mage (Depths:1) 4 centaur warriors A catoblepas (Depths:1) 4 skeletal warriors An ice devil (IceCv) 2 unseen horrors A wizard (D:15) 2 ice statues (IceCv) 9 hill giants A red wasp (Lair:8) An orc knight (Orc:4) 2 wolf spiders (Lair:8) 7 cyclopes A deep elf conjurer (D:15) 5 griffons A lindwurm (Lair:8) 3 orc sorcerers A mermaid (shapeshifter) (D:14) 13 black mambas 4 elephants A feature mimic (Lair:7) A guardian serpent (Lair:8) A naga mage (D:15) Psyche (D:8) 2 gargoyles 2 yaktaurs (Depths:1) A freezing wraith (D:15) 9 giant fireflies 2 fire drakes 18 spiny frogs 11 blue devils 2 tengu conjurers (D:15) A queen bee (D:12) 8 komodo dragons A deep elf priest (Depths:1) 11 trolls 3 ravens 2 polar bears 2 giant leeches (Lair:8) 7 two-headed ogres Prince Ribbit (D:5) 3 hydra skeletons A baby alligator (Lair:5) 25 blink frogs 6 grizzly bears 12 slime creatures A shadow (D:15) 5 basilisks 45 yaks 2 wraiths A spriggan (Lair:2) A trapdoor spider (D:11) 3 water elementals (D:14) A formicid (shapeshifter) (Depths:1) A deep elf mage (D:15) A chaos spawn (Orc:4) 3 deep elf fighters 8 elephant slugs 5 wyverns A hungry ghost (D:9) Eustachio (D:4) 25 ugly things A fire elemental (D:14) 2 sharks 4 hogs Grum (Orc:4) 3 steam dragons 2 hill giant skeletons 9 hippogriffs 3 vampire mosquitoes (D:12) 8 wolves Edmund (Orc:1) An ogre zombie (D:15) 20 water moccasins 2 wargs 2 soldier ants 10 porcupines 6 giant goldfish 15 spiders 9 black bears A phantom (D:8) 51 orc warriors A boring beetle (Lair:4) 11 ogres 4 yellow wasps 3 sky beasts 2 orc skeletons 17 centaurs 12 giant slugs 6 brain worms 19 crocodiles Blork the orc (D:8) 3 big kobolds 2 komodo dragon skeletons 14 giant frogs 2 cyclops zombies 2 scorpions A boulder beetle zombie (D:15) An eye of draining (shapeshifter) (D:14) 3 wights (D:8) A water moccasin skeleton (D:9) 2 eyes of draining A troll zombie (D:12) A yak skeleton (D:11) A vampire bat (Lair:3) 27 killer bees 10 electric eels A giant frog zombie (D:5) 8 jellies A goliath beetle (D:7) A centaur zombie (D:10) 3 crimson imps 3 big fish A gnoll shaman (D:6) 11 hounds 27 orc priests 2 quasits Crazy Yiuf (D:2) 25 orc wizards 2 giant frog skeletons An elf skeleton (D:12) A tengu simulacrum (D:12) A two-headed ogre skeleton (D:6) Natasha (thrice) (D:5) 10 iguanas 5 orange rats 25 sheep 12 worker ants A sky beast zombie (D:7) A crocodile zombie (D:5) An ogre skeleton (D:7) A mummy (D:7) 10 gnolls 34 adders 79 green rats 4 giant mites An inept feature mimic (D:7) 16 white imps A goliath beetle zombie (D:12) 17 worms 6 shadow imps 8 ufetubi (IceCv) An iguana zombie (D:10) 6 giant eyeballs 7 giant geckos An ooze (Lair:8) 225 orcs 2 ball pythons (D:3) 36 bats A bat zombie (D:4) 2 giant cockroaches 19 goblins 19 hobgoblins 11 jackals 11 quokkas 7 giant newts A giant newt zombie (D:5) A giant spore (D:9) A hobgoblin skeleton (D:7) 31 kobolds 2 orc zombies (D:12) 35 rats 3 ballistomycetes (D:9) 2 bushes 2 butterflies 6 fungi 4 plants (Lair:8) 1400 creatures vanquished. Vanquished Creatures (collateral kills) A jelly (Lair:8) A butterfly (Lair:1) 2 creatures vanquished. Vanquished Creatures (others) A giant firefly (Lair:8) An orc warrior (Depths:1) 2 crocodiles (Lair:8) A sheep (D:15) 5 ufetubi (IceCv) A bat (D:8) A bush (D:3) 4 fungi (Lair:8) 12 plants 28 creatures vanquished. Grand Total: 1430 creatures vanquished Notes Turn | Place | Note -------------------------------------------------------------- 0 | D:1 | Blomdor, the Troll Monk, began the quest for the Orb. 0 | D:1 | Reached XP level 1. HP: 22/22 MP: 1/1 607 | D:2 | Reached XP level 2. HP: 29/29 MP: 1/1 739 | D:2 | Reached XP level 3. HP: 31/36 MP: 2/2 780 | D:2 | Noticed Crazy Yiuf 785 | D:2 | Killed Crazy Yiuf 993 | D:2 | Reached XP level 4. HP: 44/44 MP: 2/2 1352 | D:3 | Reached skill level 5 in Unarmed Combat 1362 | D:3 | Found a shattered altar of Ashenzari. 1379 | D:3 | HP: 2/45 [gnoll/spear (6)] 1771 | D:3 | Reached XP level 5. HP: 53/53 MP: 2/2 2187 | D:4 | Noticed a wyvern 2193 | D:4 | Killed a wyvern 2193 | D:4 | Reached skill level 6 in Unarmed Combat 2193 | D:4 | Reached XP level 6. HP: 43/62 MP: 3/3 2786 | D:4 | Noticed Eustachio 2808 | D:4 | Killed Eustachio 2808 | D:4 | Reached XP level 7. HP: 14/70 MP: 3/3 3076 | D:4 | Found Neaxywah's Weapon Shop. 3082 | D:4 | Found a staircase to the Ecumenical Temple. 3096 | Temple | Entered the Ecumenical Temple 3139 | Temple | Became a worshipper of Nemelex Xobeh the Trickster 3139 | Temple | Received a gift from Nemelex Xobeh 3139 | Temple | Acquired Nemelex Xobeh's first power 3381 | D:1 | Acquired Nemelex Xobeh's second power 4036 | D:3 | Acquired Nemelex Xobeh's third power 4481 | D:5 | Entered Level 5 of the Dungeon 4485 | D:5 | Noticed Natasha 4495 | D:5 | Killed Natasha 4587 | D:5 | Noticed Natasha 4595 | D:5 | Killed Natasha 4595 | D:5 | Reached skill level 7 in Unarmed Combat 5055 | D:5 | Noticed Prince Ribbit 5073 | D:5 | Killed Prince Ribbit 5073 | D:5 | Reached XP level 8. HP: 38/79 MP: 3/3 5160 | D:5 | Reached skill level 8 in Unarmed Combat 5215 | D:5 | Noticed Natasha 5223 | D:5 | Killed Natasha 5363 | D:6 | Noticed a troll 5370 | D:6 | Killed a troll 5370 | D:6 | Reached skill level 5 in Fighting 6290 | D:7 | Got a faintly glowing granite ring 6310 | D:7 | Reached skill level 5 in Dodging 6347 | D:7 | Identified the ring of the Gastropod {Str+1 Dex+5 Acc+4 Dam+5} (You found it on level 7 of the Dungeon) 6387 | D:7 | Reached skill level 9 in Unarmed Combat 6517 | D:7 | Acquired Nemelex Xobeh's fourth power 6643 | D:7 | Reached XP level 9. HP: 70/88 MP: 4/4 6694 | D:7 | Found a radiant altar of Vehumet. 6695 | D:7 | Found a glowing silver altar of Zin. 7012 | D:7 | Received a gift from Nemelex Xobeh 7065 | D:8 | Paralysed by a giant eyeball for 3 turns 7077 | D:8 | Paralysed by a giant eyeball for 3 turns 7123 | D:8 | Reached skill level 10 in Unarmed Combat 7173 | D:8 | Reached skill level 1 in Evocations 7189 | D:8 | Noticed a hill giant 7201 | D:8 | Killed a hill giant 7218 | D:8 | Received a gift from Nemelex Xobeh 7235 | D:8 | Paralysed by a giant eyeball for 3 turns 7387 | D:8 | Noticed a gargoyle 7394 | D:8 | Killed a gargoyle 7445 | D:8 | Found a staircase to the Lair. 7452 | D:8 | Reached XP level 10. HP: 100/100 MP: 7/7 7555 | D:8 | Noticed Psyche 7557 | D:8 | Noticed Blork the orc 7564 | D:8 | Killed Psyche 7567 | D:8 | Killed Blork the orc 7567 | D:8 | Reached skill level 11 in Unarmed Combat 7801 | D:8 | Acquired Nemelex Xobeh's fifth power 8239 | D:9 | Received a gift from Nemelex Xobeh 8582 | D:9 | Found a white marble altar of Elyvilon. 8591 | D:9 | Found a staircase to the Orcish Mines. 8850 | D:8 | Reached skill level 12 in Unarmed Combat 8859 | D:8 | Reached XP level 11. HP: 30/109 MP: 11/11 9129 | Lair:1 | Entered Level 1 of the Lair of Beasts 9135 | Lair:1 | Received a gift from Nemelex Xobeh 9910 | Lair:1 | Reached skill level 5 in Evocations 10093 | Lair:1 | HP: 3/110 [blink frog (16)] 10310 | Lair:2 | Reached skill level 13 in Unarmed Combat 10321 | Lair:2 | Received a gift from Nemelex Xobeh 10759 | Lair:2 | Received a gift from Nemelex Xobeh 10976 | Lair:2 | Noticed a spriggan rider 10984 | Lair:2 | Killed a spriggan 10987 | Lair:2 | Killed a giant firefly 10987 | Lair:2 | Reached XP level 12. HP: 73/120 MP: 16/16 11938 | Lair:3 | Got a warped bone amulet 11974 | Lair:3 | Identified the amulet "Neugacla" {Clar Int+3 Dam+3} (You found it on level 3 of the Lair of Beasts) 12082 | Lair:3 | Got a tattered robe 12171 | Lair:3 | Received a gift from Nemelex Xobeh 12342 | Lair:3 | Reached skill level 14 in Unarmed Combat 13015 | Lair:4 | Identified a scroll of acquirement 13016 | Lair:4 | Got a polished cloak 13020 | Lair:4 | Identified the +0 cloak "Scherar" {+Blink rN+ Stlth++} (You acquired it on level 4 of the Lair of Beasts) 13094 | Lair:4 | Got a warped robe 13122 | Lair:4 | Received a gift from Nemelex Xobeh 13703 | Lair:5 | Found a staircase to the Swamp. 13938 | Lair:1 | Received a gift from Nemelex Xobeh 14054 | Lair:1 | Received a gift from Nemelex Xobeh 14310 | Lair:5 | Received a gift from Nemelex Xobeh 14312 | Lair:5 | Gained mutation: You have a pair of small horns on your head. [helix card] 14315 | Lair:5 | Reached XP level 13. HP: 130/130 MP: 12/19 14805 | Lair:6 | Received a gift from Nemelex Xobeh 14871 | Lair:6 | Found a hole to the Spider Nest. 14915 | Lair:6 | Noticed Fannar 14925 | Lair:6 | Killed Fannar 16120 | Lair:7 | Reached skill level 15 in Unarmed Combat 16139 | Lair:7 | Identified the +0 robe of Absolutism {+Rage} (You found it on level 3 of the Lair of Beasts) 16139 | Lair:7 | Identified the cursed +0 robe of the Monkey's Uncle {Acc+2} (You found it on level 4 of the Lair of Beasts) 16531 | Lair:7 | Reached XP level 14. HP: 140/140 MP: 20/20 17201 | Lair:8 | Entered Level 8 of the Lair of Beasts 17466 | Lair:8 | Received a gift from Nemelex Xobeh 17487 | Lair:8 | Found a staircase to the Slime Pits. 18255 | Lair:8 | Received a gift from Nemelex Xobeh 18588 | Lair:8 | Reached skill level 10 in Fighting 18665 | Lair:8 | Reached skill level 16 in Unarmed Combat 18675 | Lair:8 | Received a gift from Nemelex Xobeh 18936 | Lair:8 | Found an ancient bone altar of Kikubaaqudgha. 19285 | Lair:8 | Received a gift from Nemelex Xobeh 19319 | Lair:8 | Reached skill level 10 in Dodging 20064 | Orc:1 | Entered Level 1 of the Orcish Mines 20135 | Orc:1 | Received a gift from Nemelex Xobeh 20175 | Orc:1 | Found a roughly hewn altar of Beogh. 20224 | Orc:1 | Received a gift from Nemelex Xobeh 20232 | Orc:1 | Found a frozen archway. 20286 | IceCv | Entered an ice cave 20477 | IceCv | Reached XP level 15. HP: 105/149 MP: 23/23 20702 | IceCv | Got a polished ice dragon armour 20731 | IceCv | Identified the cursed +3 ice dragon armour of Lifelessness {rF- rC++ Stlth--} (You found it in an ice cave) 21006 | Orc:1 | Noticed Edmund 21010 | Orc:1 | Killed Edmund 21024 | Orc:1 | Received a gift from Nemelex Xobeh 21261 | Orc:2 | Found a dark tunnel. 21278 | Volcano | Entered a volcano 21421 | Volcano | Received a gift from Nemelex Xobeh 21780 | Orc:2 | Received a gift from Nemelex Xobeh 22164 | Orc:3 | Found a roughly hewn altar of Beogh. 22216 | Orc:3 | Received a gift from Nemelex Xobeh 22549 | Orc:3 | Received a gift from Nemelex Xobeh 22772 | Orc:4 | Entered Level 4 of the Orcish Mines 22810 | Orc:4 | Noticed Harold 22820 | Orc:4 | Killed Harold 22877 | Orc:4 | Found a roughly hewn altar of Beogh. 22877 | Orc:4 | Found Wuod Viu's Food Emporium. 22976 | Orc:4 | Found a flickering gateway to a bazaar. 22982 | Bazaar | Entered a bazaar 22982 | Bazaar | Found Waidduk's Jewellery Emporium. 22988 | Bazaar | Found Eguojuu's Antique Armour Boutique. 23000 | Bazaar | Found Pishak's Antique Weapon Boutique. 23012 | Bazaar | Found Rulabruwke's General Store. 23031 | Bazaar | Found Pleadol's Magic Scroll Shop. 23071 | Bazaar | Bought a transparent mottled dragon armour for 1620 gold pieces 23081 | Bazaar | Identified the cursed +2 mottled dragon armour of Summertime {+Inv rF+ rN+} (You bought it in a shop in a bazaar) 23307 | Orc:4 | Received a gift from Nemelex Xobeh 23363 | Orc:4 | Found a burning altar of Makhleb. 23402 | Orc:4 | Found a roughly hewn altar of Beogh. 23463 | Orc:4 | Found a roughly hewn altar of Beogh. 23466 | Orc:4 | Noticed Grum 23474 | Orc:4 | Killed Grum 23484 | Orc:4 | Found Stonoosh's General Store. 23505 | Orc:4 | Bought a potion of haste for 105 gold pieces 23525 | Orc:4 | Received a gift from Nemelex Xobeh 23528 | Orc:4 | Found a staircase to the Elven Halls. 23566 | Orc:4 | Noticed Nessos 23574 | Orc:4 | Killed Nessos 23919 | Orc:4 | Found Osoifis' Antique Armour Boutique. 23919 | Orc:4 | Found a roughly hewn altar of Beogh. 23922 | Orc:4 | Received a gift from Nemelex Xobeh 23934 | Orc:4 | Found Skoadiw's Antique Weapon Shop. 24049 | Orc:4 | Found a roughly hewn altar of Beogh. 24059 | Orc:4 | Received a gift from Nemelex Xobeh 24092 | Orc:4 | Noticed Donald 24111 | Orc:4 | Killed Donald 24430 | Orc:4 | Received a gift from Nemelex Xobeh 24489 | Orc:4 | Found a roughly hewn altar of Beogh. 24537 | Orc:4 | Received a gift from Nemelex Xobeh 24834 | D:10 | Entered Level 10 of the Dungeon 25043 | D:10 | Found a burning altar of Makhleb. 25614 | D:11 | Reached skill level 17 in Unarmed Combat 25675 | D:11 | Learned a level 2 spell: Stoneskin 26454 | D:12 | Found a roughly hewn altar of Beogh. 26492 | D:12 | Received a gift from Nemelex Xobeh 26555 | D:12 | Received a gift from Nemelex Xobeh 26916 | D:12 | Received a gift from Nemelex Xobeh 27069 | D:12 | Noticed Josephine 27073 | D:12 | Killed Josephine 27408 | D:13 | Received a gift from Nemelex Xobeh 28810 | D:14 | Reached XP level 16. HP: 162/162 MP: 25/25 28834 | D:14 | Found a gate to the Vaults. 28867 | D:15 | Entered Level 15 of the Dungeon 28974 | D:14 | Reached skill level 10 in Evocations 29117 | D:14 | Reached skill level 5 in Earth Magic 29123 | D:14 | Found Loat's Food Emporium. 29185 | D:14 | Paralysed by a giant eyeball for 3 turns 29194 | D:14 | Paralysed by a giant eyeball for 4 turns 29222 | D:14 | Received a gift from Nemelex Xobeh 29847 | D:15 | Reached XP level 17. HP: 135/170 MP: 26/26 30108 | D:15 | Received a gift from Nemelex Xobeh 30287 | D:15 | Reached skill level 18 in Unarmed Combat 30762 | D:15 | Found a staircase to the Depths. 30888 | Depths:1 | Entered Level 1 of the Depths 30892 | Depths:1 | Noticed Agnes 30902 | D:15 | Killed Agnes 31284 | Depths:1 | Noticed Saint Roka 31299 | Depths:1 | Killed Saint Roka 31302 | Depths:1 | Received a gift from Nemelex Xobeh 31321 | Depths:1 | Gained mutation: Your body is slowly deteriorating. [mutagenic glow] 31322 | Depths:1 | Reached XP level 18. HP: 160/180 MP: 20/27 Action | 1- 3 | 4- 6 | 7- 9 | 10-12 | 13-15 | 16-18 || total -------------------------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------++------- Melee: Unarmed | 39 | 175 | 364 | 679 | 1448 | 325 || 3030 Long sword | | | | | 8 | 7 || 15 Invok: Draw One | | | 3 | 41 | 13 | 1 || 58 Triple Draw | | | | 3 | 3 | 7 || 13 Peek at Two | | | | | 13 | 4 || 17 Abil: Evoke Invisibilit | | | | | 1 | 1 || 2 Evoke: Wand | | 1 | | 7 | 6 | 1 || 15 Use: Scroll | 5 | 7 | 13 | 4 | 14 | 6 || 49 Potion | | 1 | 1 | 3 | | 1 || 6 Stab: Sleeping | | 1 | 3 | 9 | 32 | 6 || 51 Distracted | | | | 2 | 5 | || 7

I've cleared the main dungeon down to the Depths, killed a fire dragon on the first level, then ran out for my life up to Lair to enchant it. I was using an artefact +2 mottled armour before, which was serving very well with rN+ and evocable invisibility on top of the fire resistance and decent AC, but I felt like the extra AC and level of fire resistance will be very helpful past this point. I had little else to spend my scrolls on, anyway, for my cloak and former suit of armour are both artefacts, and my hat is already fully enchanted.

Spider should be a breeze, but Swamp could be challenging and the Vaults are a pit of death and terror these days. Comments and suggestions are, as always, much appreciated. Thanks, everyone, for your help.

Friday, 2nd May 2014, 18:11 by Blomdor

Dead to Norris's paralysis, which I thought clarity would protect against. You live and you learn.

I'm done with trolls for now, though, because of the horrible lack of defenses later on. Even in +5 fire dragon armor and the other stuff I had, I did not have nearly enough AC to actually take hits from things, and with bad dodging aptitudes they can't evade much either. The most frustrating thing, though, is having so few armour slots to make use of for resistances and other helpful things. They miss out on a huge amount of stuff. I was killing everything in a hit, yes, but one mistake (believing wrongly that clarity protected against paralysis) ended my game instantly.

I'm also not entirely pleased with Nemelex anymore, mostly because gaining favour by pressing o>p on every piece of junk in the dungeon and managing the piles of decks that are rained upon you is a tedious combination. He's very powerful, but I don't think I will be going with him in the future.

Back to trying other things. Yarr.

Despite the death, I'm very, very happy with this game. The DPS of this character was hilariously high. It just feels a bit unnecessary in the long run, seeing as anything that gets high unarmed combat or a good weapon can do enough damage to kill anything quickly, and in return trolls lose so much in terms of survivability.

Saturday, 3rd May 2014, 00:02 by Patashu

Blomdor wrote:Dead to Norris's paralysis, which I thought clarity would protect against. You live and you learn.

Nope. Clarity protects against confusion/mesmerize/unintentional berserk, basically mental stuff. Stasis protects against speed and translocational related effects (teleport, blink, not banish however, para, slow, haste, berserk, finesse...). +.... MR is nowhere near enough to be safe around uniques that know paralyse.

Tuesday, 6th May 2014, 16:32 by tasonir

One thing that would be a bit of help would be to wear a shield also. You only need 9 shields for a medium shield, and 15 for a large shield. It'll lower your damage somewhat, but it just goes from "outrageously high" to "pretty damn good" when you're a troll. And then your defenses go from "wet paper" to "several dry sheets of paper" which is probably worth it

Tuesday, 6th May 2014, 19:20 by Blomdor

I like shields on my monks, yeah. And I've had several people tell me it's a no-no because of the lowered damage output. I dunno, I really notice the extra defense even on things that are not trolls. I understand shields have sort of diminishing returns but bucklers and medium shields seem to be pretty good things to have, honestly.

*Anything* with unarmed combat can have excellent damage potential from what I've seen, so I'm comfortable trading a bit of that if it will help me not die. I guess it just depends on the circumstances.

I have a DsMo right now that has been pretty funny and overall has had an awesome game. It got stuck with demonic guardian early on, which I really do not like much, and I proceeded to try my damnedest to kill it off without actually ctrl-Qing. The thing would absolutely not die. I stuck it right between Dowan, Duvessa, and IIRC a scorpion and proceeded to read-ID about a dozen scrolls (including immolation!) as they wailed on me and it just would *not* die. Ran headlong into every group of orc priests and wizards, took on a troll in a fist fight, practically set myself on fire and bullrushed a mottled dragon in front of an electric eel and a goliath beetle...and all I got for my trouble was a dragon hide. When it finally got to Lair perfectly healthy, well equipped, and absolutely none the worse for wear after all my attempts to brutally murder it, I just sighed and decided to try to win with it.

I'm afraid it'll just die and go to waste if I make a character thread for it, and I've made too many monk threads anyway, but still it's been the most interesting and fun game I've had in a long time and I am completely dumbfounded as to why and how it has shrugged off everything that I have thrown at it when I have lost so many DsMos with better and more useful mutations to much lesser things and with much more effort put into their continued survival.

It'll be a riot if this turns out to be my second win. What will I say? "Well, apparently I'm so bad at the game that if I intentionally try my hardest to play horribly it turns out to be an easy win?"

Code:: Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.14.1-1-g650416f (webtiles) character file. Blomdor the Martial Artist (Demonspawn Monk) Turns: 21354, Time: 01:11:51 HP 99/99 AC 16 Str 18 XL: 12 Next: 44% MP 12/12 EV 19 Int 12 God: Gold 185 SH 0 Dex 22 Spells: 0 memorised, 11 levels left rFire + . . SeeInvis . Z - plain deck of defence {drawn: 2} rCold + . . Clarity . C - +3 mottled dragon armour rNeg . . . Conserve . (no shield) rPois + rCorr . (helmet restricted) rElec . rRot . K - +0 cloak {rPois} SustAb . . Spirit + M - +0 pair of gloves {Dex+3} rMut . Warding . (no boots) Saprov . . . Stasis . (no amulet) MR ..... E - ring of protection from fire g - +5 ring of strength @: very slightly contaminated, not resistant to hostile enchantments, fairly stealthy A: horns 2, icy blue scales 3, demonic guardian 1, magic shield, magic regeneration a: no special abilities You are on level 3 of the Lair of Beasts. You are not hungry. You have visited 2 branches of the dungeon, and seen 16 of its levels. You have also visited: Sewer. You have collected 757 gold pieces. You have spent 572 gold pieces at shops. Inventory: Hand weapons x - a cursed +1,+1 bow Missiles G - 17 poisoned arrows Armour a - a +0 robe q - a +2 robe of fire resistance s - a +1 cloak C - a +3 mottled dragon armour (worn) K - a +0 cloak of poison resistance (worn) M - a +0 pair of gloves of dexterity (worn) Magical devices m - a wand of magic darts {zapped: 1} r - a wand of lightning {zapped: 3} t - a wand of draining {zapped: 2} B - a wand of random effects {zapped: 1} D - a wand of fire {zapped: 3} I - a wand of disintegration {zapped: 6} S - an ivory wand U - a wand of draining X - a crooked glass wand Comestibles b - 9 bread rations h - a beef jerky p - 3 meat rations v - 9 cheeses F - 5 strawberries Q - 3 slices of pizza W - 15 sultanas Scrolls f - 3 scrolls of teleportation j - 6 scrolls of remove curse k - 4 scrolls of amnesia n - 2 scrolls of enchant weapon I o - a scroll of enchant weapon II L - 2 scrolls of fog O - a scroll of fear Y - a scroll of blinking Jewellery c - an uncursed ring of wizardry d - an uncursed ring of sustenance e - an uncursed ring of invisibility g - a +5 ring of strength (left hand) i - an uncursed ring of poison resistance l - a +2 ring of strength w - an uncursed ring of ice A - a ring of ice E - a ring of protection from fire (right hand) H - an uncursed amulet of faith P - a marble ring Potions u - 4 potions of curing z - 2 potions of brilliance R - a potion of agility T - a potion of heal wounds Books y - a book of Necromancy Spells Type Level Pain Necromancy 1 Animate Skeleton Necromancy 1 Lethal Infusion Charms/Necromancy 2 Vampiric Draining Necromancy 3 Regeneration Charms/Necromancy 3 Animate Dead Necromancy 4 Control Undead Necromancy 4 J - a book of the Tempests Spells Type Level Static Discharge Conjuration/Air 3 Lightning Bolt Conjuration/Air 5 Fireball Conjuration/Fire 5 Tornado Air 9 Shatter Earth 9 Magical staves V - a twisted glowing staff Miscellaneous N - a lamp of fire Z - a plain deck of defence {drawn: 2} (in hand) Skills: + Level 10.8 Fighting + Level 3.7 Armour + Level 9.7 Dodging - Level 1.7 Stealth * Level 13.3 Unarmed Combat You have 11 spell levels left. You don't know any spells. Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations Branches: Dungeon (12/15) Temple (0/1) D:5 Orc (0/4) D:10 Lair (4/8) D:11 Swamp: Lair:3-6 Shoals: Lair:3-6 Snake: Lair:3-6 Spider: Lair:3-6 Altars: Cheibriados Kikubaaqudgha Makhleb Okawaru Sif Muna Shops: D:9 % D:10 ? Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations You have a pair of horns on your head. You are completely covered in icy blue scales (AC +4, EV -1, rC+). A weak demonic guardian rushes to your aid. When hurt, damage is shared between your health and your magic reserves. You regenerate magic rapidly. Message History Your +0 pair of gloves of dexterity unmelds from your body. You feel agile. Your +3 mottled dragon armour unmelds from your body. Evoke which item? (* to show all) (? for menu, Esc to quit) You draw a card... It is the Shadow. This is a plain deck of defence {drawn: 2}. You fade into invisibility! You are very lightly contaminated with residual magic. There is a stone staircase leading up here. (D) Dungeon (T) Temple (O) Orcish Mines (L) Lair Where to? (Enter - Lair:4, ? - help) What level of the Dungeon? (default 11, ? - help) You climb upwards. There is a stone staircase leading down here. You flicker for a moment. You enter the shallow water. Moving in this stuff is going to be slow. ...and don't expect to remain undetected. You flicker back into view. You feel a little less mighty now. ## # # ### # ### ##P######## #####.##### ###f.#≈#≈≈≈≈## ##.#..f##.########.#..≈≈.≈..≈.### .<..................≈.≈≈≈≈≈≈..... ....................≈≈≈≈≈≈≈≈≈.... >..%.<..........@...≈≈≈≈≈≈≈≈≈.... .....%%............≈≈≈≈≈.≈≈≈≈≈... ....................≈≈≈≈>.≈≈≈≈... ....................≈≈≈≈..≈≈≈≈... ....................≈≈≈≈≈≈≈≈≈.%.. #.####.###.##P.#.f#.≈≈≈≈≈≈≈≈≈..## ### ### #######.###.≈≈≈≈≈≈≈≈.### #####....≈.≈.### #.........# There are no monsters in sight! Vanquished Creatures Fannar (D:10) 2 hydras The ghost of DarkFrog the Grappler, an experienced MiMo of Makhleb (Lair:1) 2 hill giants (D:11) A black mamba (Lair:2) 2 cyclopes Maurice (D:11) 6 spiny frogs 2 trolls A komodo dragon (Lair:3) Sonja (D:11) A two-headed ogre (D:11) A basilisk (Lair:3) A shadow (D:11) A trapdoor spider (D:9) A human (D:8) 2 hill giant zombies A shark (D:11) 5 ugly things (D:11) 5 hippogriffs 2 wolves (D:11) A hog (D:8) A hungry ghost (D:7) A warg (D:10) A mottled dragon (D:11) A necrophage (D:10) 7 porcupines 2 water moccasins 4 ice beasts A sky beast (D:10) A yellow wasp (D:11) 4 black bears 2 phantoms 7 orc warriors 6 ogres A boring beetle (Lair:3) 9 centaurs 5 crocodiles A lava worm (D:7) Duvessa (D:7) 4 giant slugs A gnoll sergeant (D:10) 5 big kobolds 14 giant frogs 5 scorpions An electric eel (D:11) A lava snake (D:7) Dowan (D:7) 7 crimson imps A jelly (D:8) 3 big fish 7 iguanas 3 goliath beetles 12 hounds 4 orc priests A giant frog skeleton (D:9) 9 orc wizards 7 worker ants 10 sheep A mummy (D:7) 7 gnolls 15 green rats 11 adders A shadow imp (D:7) 3 giant mites 2 worms A giant eyeball (D:7) 8 giant geckos An ooze (D:4) 38 orcs 13 bats A bat skeleton (D:5) 16 hobgoblins 26 jackals 6 quokkas A ball python (D:1) 5 giant cockroaches 2 giant newts (D:2) A giant spore (D:8) 16 goblins A hobgoblin skeleton (D:8) 2 hobgoblin zombies (D:7) 33 kobolds 2 kobold zombies (D:7) 2 orc zombies (D:5) 23 rats 6 ballistomycetes 436 creatures vanquished. Vanquished Creatures (collateral kills) Harold (D:11) The ghost of cjo the Martial Artist, a powerful DrTm of Dithmenos (D:10) A hill giant zombie (D:9) A porcupine (Lair:2) A black bear (D:10) An ogre (D:7) A phantom (D:6) A lava worm (D:7) A giant frog (D:6) A hound (Lair:1) 3 gnolls 3 orcs A jackal (Lair:2) 2 kobolds (D:8) A quokka (D:7) 20 creatures vanquished. Vanquished Creatures (others) A wyvern skeleton (D:11) 14 crimson imps 14 quasits A giant frog skeleton (D:7) 21 iron imps 12 white imps 16 ufetubi A jackal (D:11) 2 giant spores A hobgoblin skeleton (D:8) A kobold (D:11) 84 creatures vanquished. Grand Total: 540 creatures vanquished Notes Turn | Place | Note -------------------------------------------------------------- 0 | D:1 | Blomdor, the Demonspawn Monk, began the quest for the Orb. 0 | D:1 | Reached XP level 1. HP: 18/18 MP: 1/1 109 | D:1 | Gained mutation: You have a pair of small horns on your head. [demonic ancestry] 109 | D:1 | Reached XP level 2. HP: 17/24 MP: 2/2 803 | D:2 | Reached skill level 4 in Unarmed Combat 841 | D:2 | Found an iron altar of Okawaru. 1006 | D:2 | Gained mutation: A weak demonic guardian rushes to your aid. [demonic ancestry] 1006 | D:2 | Reached XP level 3. HP: 21/29 MP: 3/3 1166 | D:2 | Found an ancient bone altar of Kikubaaqudgha. 1605 | D:3 | Found a burning altar of Makhleb. 1840 | D:3 | Reached XP level 4. HP: 19/35 MP: 4/4 3061 | D:4 | Gained mutation: When hurt, damage is shared between your health and your magic reserves. [demonic ancestry] 3061 | D:4 | Reached XP level 5. HP: 38/42 MP: 5/5 3064 | D:4 | Noticed an ogre 3073 | D:4 | Killed an ogre 3073 | D:4 | Reached skill level 5 in Unarmed Combat 3314 | D:4 | Noticed an ogre 3320 | D:4 | Killed an ogre 3320 | D:4 | Gained mutation: You are partially covered in icy blue scales (AC +1). [demonic ancestry] 3320 | D:4 | Reached XP level 6. HP: 30/48 MP: 6/6 3932 | D:5 | Entered Level 5 of the Dungeon 3989 | D:5 | Found a snail-covered altar of Cheibriados. 4204 | D:5 | Found a glowing drain. 4236 | Sewer | Entered a sewer 4295 | Sewer | Reached skill level 6 in Unarmed Combat 4471 | Sewer | Gained mutation: You regenerate magic rapidly. [demonic ancestry] 4471 | Sewer | Reached XP level 7. HP: 46/55 MP: 7/7 4498 | Sewer | Found a glowing silver altar of Zin. 4682 | D:5 | Found a staircase to the Ecumenical Temple. 4955 | D:6 | Reached skill level 5 in Fighting 5013 | D:6 | HP: 2/56 [poisoned by a centaur] 5021 | D:6 | HP: 2/56 [poisoned by a centaur] 5858 | D:6 | Found a deep blue altar of Sif Muna. 5934 | D:6 | Reached skill level 7 in Unarmed Combat 6092 | D:6 | Reached XP level 8. HP: 63/63 MP: 8/8 6421 | D:6 | Reached skill level 5 in Dodging 6862 | D:7 | Paralysed by a giant eyeball for 3 turns 6869 | D:7 | Paralysed by a giant eyeball for 2 turns 7288 | D:7 | Reached skill level 8 in Unarmed Combat 8227 | D:7 | Noticed Dowan 8229 | D:7 | Noticed Duvessa 8263 | D:7 | Killed Duvessa 8278 | D:6 | HP: 3/65 [hippogriff (2)] 8783 | D:7 | Killed Dowan 8783 | D:7 | Gained mutation: You have a pair of horns on your head. [demonic ancestry] 8783 | D:7 | Reached XP level 9. HP: 57/71 MP: 7/9 8918 | D:7 | HP: 3/71 [orc warrior/ stone (1)] 9760 | D:7 | Reached skill level 9 in Unarmed Combat 10461 | D:8 | HP: 1/72 [orc warrior/flail of holy wrath (7)] 10611 | D:8 | HP: 3/72 [poisoned by an orc wizard] 11207 | D:8 | HP: 1/72 [hill giant zombie (16)] 11996 | D:8 | Reached skill level 10 in Unarmed Combat 12021 | D:8 | HP: 2/74 [sheep (8)] 12525 | D:9 | Reached XP level 10. HP: 74/80 MP: 10/10 12844 | D:9 | Found Keokhat's Food Shoppe. 13718 | D:10 | Entered Level 10 of the Dungeon 13795 | D:10 | Noticed Fannar 13802 | D:10 | Noticed cjo's ghost (powerful DrTm) 13809 | D:10 | Gained mutation: Your vision is a little blurry. [potion of mutation] 13809 | D:10 | Gained mutation: Your natural rate of healing is unusually fast. [potion of mutation] 13809 | D:10 | Gained mutation: Your body is slowly deteriorating. [potion of mutation] 14146 | D:10 | Found a staircase to the Orcish Mines. 14399 | D:10 | Killed cjo's ghost 14399 | D:10 | Reached skill level 11 in Unarmed Combat 14675 | D:10 | Found Oxoimum's Magic Scroll Emporium. 14780 | D:10 | Killed Fannar 14936 | D:11 | Noticed Sonja 14939 | D:11 | Killed Sonja 15082 | D:11 | Gained mutation: You are mostly covered in icy blue scales (AC +3, EV -1). [demonic ancestry] 15082 | D:11 | Reached XP level 11. HP: 63/89 MP: 8/11 15478 | D:11 | Noticed Harold 15505 | D:11 | Lost mutation: Your body is slowly deteriorating. [potion of cure mutation] 15505 | D:11 | Lost mutation: Your vision is a little blurry. [potion of cure mutation] 15505 | D:11 | Lost mutation: Your natural rate of healing is unusually fast. [potion of cure mutation] 15526 | D:11 | Killed Harold 16629 | D:11 | Reached skill level 12 in Unarmed Combat 16716 | D:11 | Noticed Maurice 16786 | D:11 | Noticed a hill giant 17386 | D:11 | Reached skill level 10 in Fighting 17451 | D:11 | Killed Maurice 17494 | D:11 | Noticed a hill giant 17501 | D:11 | Killed a hill giant 17651 | D:10 | Bought a scroll of acquirement for 572 gold pieces 17917 | D:11 | Found a staircase to the Lair. 18006 | D:11 | Killed a hill giant 18006 | D:11 | Reached skill level 1 in Armour 18241 | Lair:1 | Entered Level 1 of the Lair of Beasts 18250 | Lair:1 | Noticed DarkFrog's ghost (experienced MiMo) 18266 | Lair:1 | Killed DarkFrog's ghost 18606 | Lair:1 | Noticed a six-headed hydra 18619 | Lair:1 | Killed a six-headed hydra 18627 | Lair:1 | Gained mutation: You are completely covered in icy blue scales (AC +4, EV -1, rC+). [demonic ancestry] 18627 | Lair:1 | Reached XP level 12. HP: 34/98 MP: 8/12 19619 | Lair:2 | Noticed a four-headed hydra 19628 | Lair:2 | Killed a four-headed hydra 19628 | Lair:2 | Reached skill level 13 in Unarmed Combat Action | 1- 3 | 4- 6 | 7- 9 | 10-12 || total -------------------------+-------+-------+-------+-------++------- Melee: Unarmed | 130 | 206 | 545 | 848 || 1729 Fire: Bow | | | 9 | || 9 Evoke: Wand | | | 11 | 9 || 20 Deck | | | | 2 || 2 Use: Scroll | 1 | | 19 | 13 || 33 Potion | | 4 | 11 | 9 || 24 Stab: Sleeping | 1 | 5 | 4 | 7 || 17 Distracted | | 1 | | 3 || 4 Invisible | | | | 2 || 2

I can't figure it out. I don't think it's the items that are making him so hard to kill...

Tuesday, 6th May 2014, 20:31 by tasonir

Mana shield is quite powerful, is probably the best single reason for feeling strong. I don't know if you already had that at the time you tried to die, though. Between rC scales and an rF ring, you've got decent resists, pretty high AC and EV, and unarmed will scale all game long...Seems pretty well set up so far.

Honestly demonic guardian isn't a bad mutation, and isn't worth killing yourself over. If you were focusing on unarmed, getting horns instead of claws is probably a "worse" mutation to get than happening to get demonic guardian.

Tuesday, 6th May 2014, 20:47 by RichardGamingo1

Seems like a good time to train fighting.

Seems like you could do with Throwing? What are you doing for ranged utility, sorry if I overlooked it.

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