YASD: DrEE of Ash

Friday, 14th June 2013, 19:39 by Sandman25

Entry to Temple was on D5, now I am about to enter D9 and my piety is still 0. No rings except teleportation and hunger. I was wearing both rings during 3 dungeon floors so I already descended deeper than expected so I am open to experiments.
Is it a good idea to curse the plain dagger and buckler to start getting piety? I have too wide skills and I feel the game starts to be very hard without Ash boost.
I will miss blowgun for poison-vulnerable monsters and holy sabre for undead though.
Also I am not really sure how to proceed. Petrify makes me hungry very fast, stabbing is not reliable because it takes about 6-7 hits to kill an Ogre or Orc Warrior, Stone Arrow is good but I have few MPs and no way to restore mana. My main tactics is to Petrify things from afar (if unlucky, I retreat upstairs) with occasional Passwall to stab sleeping monsters. I have not trained Stealth yet so my skills should be even more wide spread and I think I am doing something wrong

Code:: Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.12.2 (tiles) character file. DrEE the Geomancer (DrEE) Turns: 10110, Time: 01:37:14 HP 53/62 AC 8 Str 10 XL: 9 Next: 77% MP 18/18 EV 13 Int 20 God: Ashenzari [......] Gold 225 SH 0 Dex 11 Spells: 5 memorised, 2 levels left Res.Fire : . . . See Invis. : . a - dwarf dagger Res.Cold : . . . Warding : . (armour unavailable) Life Prot.: . . . Conserve : . (no shield) Res.Poison: . Res.Corr. : . (helmet restricted) Res.Elec. : . Clarity : . (no cloak) Sust.Abil.: . . Spirit.Shd : . j - +0 pair of elf gloves Res.Mut. : . Stasis : . (no boots) Res.Rott. : . Ctrl.Telep.: . (no amulet) Saprovore : . . . Flight : . (no ring) (no ring) @: slightly resistant to hostile enchantments, unstealthy A: breathe steam, unfitting armour, AC +7 a: Breathe Steam, Renounce Religion You are on level 8 of the Dungeon. You worship Ashenzari. Ashenzari is noncommittal. You are not hungry. You have visited 2 branches of the dungeon, and seen 10 of its levels. You have collected 469 gold pieces. You have spent 264 gold pieces at shops. Inventory: Hand weapons a - an uncursed dwarven dagger (weapon) l - an uncursed sling t - an uncursed blowgun u - an uncursed sabre of holy wrath B - an uncursed spear Missiles b - 65 stones e - 63 darts (quivered) f - a dart of dispersal h - 26 poisoned needles q - 8 needles of frenzy s - 18 sling bullets y - a throwing net C - 7 javelins Armour j - a +0 pair of elven gloves (worn) p - a +0 orcish buckler Magical devices c - a wand of digging {zapped: 1} H - a wand of disintegration {zapped: 1} Comestibles i - 7 bread rations z - 3 chunks of hippogriff flesh Scrolls g - a scroll of summoning m - a scroll of fear n - 2 scrolls of remove curse r - a scroll of curse armour E - 2 scrolls of curse jewellery F - a scroll of curse weapon Jewellery k - an uncursed ring of teleportation Potions o - a brown potion v - a potion of magic w - 2 potions of brilliance A - a potion of might D - 2 potions of curing I - a fuming green potion Books d - a book of Geomancy Spells Type Level *Sandblast Earth 1 *Stoneskin Transmutation/Earth 2 *Passwall Transmutation/Earth 3 *Stone Arrow Conjuration/Earth 3 *Petrify Transmutation/Earth 4 Lee's Rapid Deconstruction Earth 5 Skills: - Level 1,7 Short Blades - Level 3,1 Dodging - Level 1,7 Stealth - Level 6,2 Stabbing - Level 3,5 Spellcasting - Level 3,1 Conjurations - Level 5,7 Transmutations + Level 8,2 Earth Magic You have 2 spell levels left. You know the following spells: Your Spells Type Power Failure Level Hunger a - Sandblast Erth ######. 1% 1 None b - Stoneskin Trmt/Erth #####..... 1% 2 ##..... c - Passwall Trmt/Erth #####..... 2% 3 ###.... d - Stone Arrow Conj/Erth #####.. 4% 3 ###.... e - Petrify Trmt/Erth #####.... 10% 4 ####... Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations Branches: Dungeon (9/27) Temple (1/1) D:5 Orc: D:6-11 Lair: D:8-13 Altars: Ashenzari Cheibriados Fedhas Kikubaaqudgha Makhleb Nemelex Xobeh Okawaru Sif Muna Trog Vehumet Xom Yredelemnul Zin Shops: D:5: ? D:8: ( Portals: Ziggurat: D:6 (5170 gp) Annotations D:5 exclusion: sky beast D:6 exclusions: centaur and downstairs, Sigmund D:7 exclusion: downstairs D:8 exclusion: downstairs Message History You hit the hippogriff. The hippogriff is moderately wounded. You hit the hippogriff. You tail-slap the hippogriff, but do no damage. The hippogriff is moderately wounded. You hit the hippogriff. The hippogriff is moderately wounded. The helpless hippogriff fails to defend itself. You slice the hippogriff!! The hippogriff is severely wounded. You completely miss the hippogriff. You tail-slap the hippogriff, but do no damage. The hippogriff is severely wounded. You hit the hippogriff. The hippogriff is severely wounded. You hit the hippogriff. The hippogriff is severely wounded. You hit the hippogriff. The hippogriff is almost dead. The hippogriff is no longer petrified. The hippogriff bites you but does no damage. The hippogriff pecks you but does no damage. The hippogriff misses you. You hit the hippogriff but do no damage. The hippogriff is almost dead. The hippogriff bites you. The hippogriff pecks you. The hippogriff misses you. Damage: -10%(-6hp) hp: 68%(42hp) Casting: Petrify Confirm with . or Enter, or press ? or * to list all spells. Aiming: Stone Arrow Press: ? - help, Shift-Dir - straight line, f/p - hippogriff Aim: a hippogriff (almost dead) You miscast Stone Arrow. The floor shifts beneath you alarmingly! * * * LOW MAGIC WARNING * * * The hippogriff bites you but does no damage. The hippogriff pecks you but does no damage. You block the hippogriff's attack. Casting: Stone Arrow Confirm with . or Enter, or press ? or * to list all spells. Aiming: Sandblast Press: ? - help, Shift-Dir - straight line, f/p - hippogriff Aim: a hippogriff (almost dead) The blast of sand hits the hippogriff. The hippogriff is almost dead. * * * LOW MAGIC WARNING * * * The hippogriff bites you but does no damage. The hippogriff pecks you. The hippogriff barely misses you. Damage: -1%(-1hp) hp: 67%(41hp) You barely miss the hippogriff. The hippogriff is almost dead. The hippogriff bites you but does no damage. The hippogriff pecks you. The hippogriff misses you. Damage: -2%(-1hp) hp: 65%(40hp) You hit the hippogriff. The hippogriff is almost dead. The hippogriff barely misses you. The hippogriff pecks you but does no damage. The hippogriff claws you. Damage: -2%(-1hp) hp: 63%(39hp) Casting: Sandblast Confirm with . or Enter, or press ? or * to list all spells. Aiming: Sandblast Press: ? - help, Shift-Dir - straight line, f/p - hippogriff Aim: a hippogriff (almost dead) The blast of sand hits the hippogriff. The hippogriff is almost dead. * * * LOW MAGIC WARNING * * * The hippogriff bites you. The hippogriff pecks you. The hippogriff claws you. Damage: -11%(-7hp) hp: 52%(32hp) You are too injured to fight recklessly! You are too injured to fight recklessly! You completely miss the hippogriff. Your tail-slap misses the hippogriff. The hippogriff is almost dead. The hippogriff bites you but does no damage. The hippogriff barely misses you. The hippogriff claws you. * * * LOW HITPOINT WARNING * * * Damage: -3%(-2hp) hp: 49%(30hp) You hit the hippogriff. You kill the hippogriff! Your Earth Magic skill increases to level 8! You see here a hippogriff corpse. You finish chopping the hippogriff corpse into pieces. z - 5 chunks of hippogriff flesh You see here a hippogriff skeleton. Eating one of 5 chunks of hippogriff flesh. This raw flesh tastes terrible. You are feeling hungry. Eating one of 4 chunks of hippogriff flesh. This raw flesh tastes terrible. You finish taking off your +0 orcish buckler. You drop a scroll of remove curse. The scroll of remove curse flickers black. F - a scroll of curse weapon You start resting. Magic restored. Move the cursor to view the level map, or type ? for a list of commands. Returning to the game... There is a stone staircase leading down here. Saving game... please wait. #.#########.# #.# #.# #.# #.# #.# #.# #.# ######.# ########## #.# #......# #........# #.# #......# ######<.......# #.# #......# #...##........# #.# #......# #...##........# #.# #......# #(..##........# #.# #......# #...##.....[..# #.####......######...##........### #..........@.........)............ ######......######...##........### #......# #...########### ######.# ##### #.# #####.##### #.........# #.........# #.........## #...)..)...# ###### #.........## #..... #.........# #..... There are no monsters in sight! Vanquished Creatures Grinder (D:6) A spriggan (D:7) A wyvern (D:8) 3 hippogriffs 3 orc warriors A hippogriff zombie (D:6) 2 phantoms (D:8) 3 ogres 3 centaurs A yellow wasp zombie (D:6) 2 giant frog skeletons (D:7) A giant frog (D:7) Blork the orc (D:8) A quasit (D:8) A mottled dragon skeleton (D:7) A crimson imp (D:8) 2 hounds An orc priest (D:7) 3 scorpions A shadow (D:8) An iguana (D:6) 2 worker ants 8 orc wizards Jessica (D:3) A goliath beetle zombie (D:5) 7 gnolls (D:7) 6 adders 3 giant mites 3 worms 6 giant geckos 2 oozes 19 orcs 2 ball pythons (D:2) 8 hobgoblins 3 humans (D:6) 2 jackals (D:1) 6 kobolds 4 quokkas 8 bats 10 giant cockroaches 10 giant newts 7 goblins An orc skeleton (D:5) 16 rats 2 ballistomycetes (D:8) 171 creatures vanquished. Vanquished Creatures (others) A giant spore (D:8) A goblin (D:3) A kobold (D:1) 2 rats 5 creatures vanquished. Grand Total: 176 creatures vanquished Notes Turn | Place | Note -------------------------------------------------------------- 0 | D:1 | DrEE, the Draconian Earth Elementalist, began the quest for the Orb. 0 | D:1 | Reached XP level 1. HP: 14/14 MP: 3/3 63 | D:1 | Huge Dmg: 2 dmg 532 | D:1 | Reached XP level 2. HP: 18/20 MP: 4/4 536 | D:1 | Learned a level 2 spell: Stoneskin 1264 | D:1 | Reached XP level 3. HP: 22/26 MP: 6/6 1371 | D:2 | Found a sparkling altar of Nemelex Xobeh. 1696 | D:2 | Reached skill level 4 in Earth Magic 2228 | D:2 | Found a blossoming altar of Fedhas. 2532 | D:2 | Reached XP level 4. HP: 31/33 MP: 5/8 2884 | D:3 | Noticed Jessica 2891 | D:3 | Killed Jessica 3045 | D:3 | Reached skill level 5 in Earth Magic 3045 | D:3 | Reached XP level 5. HP: 38/38 MP: 5/10 3607 | D:4 | Noticed an ogre 3618 | D:4 | Killed an ogre 3781 | D:4 | Reached XP level 6. HP: 45/45 MP: 9/12 4217 | D:5 | Entered Level 5 of the Dungeon 4286 | D:5 | Huge Dmg: 15 dmg 4313 | D:5 | Huge Dmg: 10 dmg 4493 | D:5 | Reached skill level 6 in Earth Magic 4512 | D:5 | Found Mita's Magic Scroll Shoppe. 4523 | D:5 | Bought a scroll of fear for 38 gold pieces 4523 | D:5 | Bought a scroll of enchant weapon I for 60 gold pieces 4523 | D:5 | Bought a scroll of curse jewellery for 22 gold pieces 4523 | D:5 | Bought a scroll of recharging for 60 gold pieces 4582 | D:5 | Found a staircase to the Ecumenical Temple. 4647 | Temple | Entered the Ecumenical Temple 4675 | Temple | Became a worshipper of Ashenzari the Shackled 4709 | Temple | Learned a level 3 spell: Passwall 4713 | Temple | Learned a level 3 spell: Stone Arrow 4780 | D:5 | Reached skill level 1 in Conjurations 5120 | D:5 | Huge Dmg: 6 dmg 5123 | D:5 | Huge Dmg: 4 dmg 5278 | D:6 | Your scales start fading to a pale cyan-grey colour. 5278 | D:6 | Reached XP level 7. HP: 34/50 MP: 0/15 5284 | D:6 | Learned a level 4 spell: Petrify 5419 | D:6 | Noticed a human 5752 | D:6 | Noticed a human 5756 | D:6 | Huge Dmg: 17 dmg 5819 | D:6 | Noticed Sigmund 5947 | D:6 | Huge Dmg: 13 dmg 5953 | D:6 | Huge Dmg: 11 dmg 5956 | D:6 | Huge Dmg: 7 dmg 5970 | D:6 | Huge Dmg: 7 dmg 6241 | D:6 | Found a gateway to a ziggurat. 6263 | D:6 | Noticed Grinder 6266 | D:6 | Paralysed by Grinder for 5 turns 6278 | D:6 | Huge Dmg: 10 dmg 6279 | D:6 | Killed Grinder 6404 | D:6 | Reached skill level 1 in Stabbing 6404 | D:6 | Reached XP level 8. HP: 42/57 MP: 7/17 6534 | D:7 | Found a shimmering altar of Xom. 6832 | D:7 | Noticed a spriggan baker 6848 | D:7 | Huge Dmg: 12 dmg 6850 | D:7 | Killed a spriggan baker 6850 | D:7 | Reached skill level 5 in Transmutations 7517 | D:7 | Huge Dmg: 34 dmg 7518 | D:7 | Reached skill level 5 in Stabbing 7630 | D:7 | Reached XP level 9. HP: 47/62 MP: 7/18 7688 | D:7 | Found a bloodstained altar of Trog. 7945 | D:7 | Reached skill level 1 in Short Blades 8137 | D:8 | Found Gounol's Antique Weapon Shoppe. 8509 | D:8 | Huge Dmg: 16 dmg 8857 | D:8 | Found an ancient bone altar of Kikubaaqudgha. 8990 | D:8 | Bought a glowing sabre for 84 gold pieces 9152 | D:8 | Noticed Blork the orc 9262 | D:8 | Huge Dmg: 18 dmg 9442 | D:8 | Huge Dmg: 12 dmg 9442 | D:8 | Reached skill level 7 in Earth Magic 9490 | D:8 | Killed Blork the orc 9992 | D:8 | Reached skill level 8 in Earth Magic Action | 1- 3 | 4- 6 | 7- 9 || total -------------------------+-------+-------+-------++------- Melee: Unarmed | 67 | 7 | || 74 Dagger | 130 | 63 | 290 || 483 Spear | | | 10 || 10 Fire: Blowgun | | | 11 || 11 Throw: Dart | | 26 | 30 || 56 Cast: Sandblast | 44 | 91 | 43 || 178 Stone Arrow | | 14 | 103 || 117 Stoneskin | | 3 | 1 || 4 Petrify | | | 20 || 20 Passwall | | | 2 || 2 Evoke: Wand | | | 2 || 2 Use: Scroll | | 15 | 7 || 22 Potion | | | 4 || 4 Stab: Sleeping | 4 | 1 | 1 || 6 Petrified | | | 16 || 16 Petrifying | | | 4 || 4

Friday, 14th June 2013, 20:00 by Lasty

It looks like your goal is to build a stabber version of EE. That's going to give you a tricky early game, as you've already seen, since you aren't particularly good at enabling stabbing, and your Earth magic is so low you don't even have Sandblast at max power.

If you're set on that goal, I'd say curse your gloves to try to build piety, but don't curse your weapon: things will be hard enough without access to blowguns and stones (for sandblast). If you're willing to deviate a bit, I recommend you work on your Earth skill a fair amount, and then when you're happy with the power of those spells, try getting Spellcasting up slightly to help w/ your mana and hunger.

Oh, and curse your gloves anyway. And probably curse that buckler, too. Having some piety with Ash will help a lot, so you should get started on that. Don't be too precious with your curse scrolls.

Friday, 14th June 2013, 20:04 by Sandman25

Cursing a single amour piece is useless, Ash requires more than half armour slots to be cursed before it can earn any piety. Dr has 4 armour slots so I would need 3 cursed items. I have 1

For the same reason cursing buckler but not weapon is useless too

Friday, 14th June 2013, 20:10 by cjo

Sandman25 wrote:Cursing a single amour piece is useless, Ash requires more than half armour slots to be cursed before it can earn any piety. Dr has 4 armour slots so I would need 3 cursed items. I have 1
For the same reason cursing buckler but not weapon is useless too

That's right for armour, but I'm pretty sure it's wrong for shields. IIRC, binding a buckler will count as having one hand bound. If you then bind a one handed weapon, you will have both hands bound.

Friday, 14th June 2013, 20:18 by Sandman25

cjo wrote:
Sandman25 wrote:Cursing a single amour piece is useless, Ash requires more than half armour slots to be cursed before it can earn any piety. Dr has 4 armour slots so I would need 3 cursed items. I have 1
For the same reason cursing buckler but not weapon is useless too

That's right for armour, but I'm pretty sure it's wrong for shields. IIRC, binding a buckler will count as having one hand bound. If you then bind a one handed weapon, you will have both hands bound.

Yes, you are correct, I have just checked it in wiz mode.
Fortunately it does not make me feel bad, I found the buckler on current floor only.

Cursed shield makes me slightly bound, cursed weapon changes that to moderately bound. I think I will curse the weapon also. Really unlucky with items.

Friday, 14th June 2013, 20:39 by rebthor

I think your main problem right now is that you've under trained earth a bit and not anything to do with Ash in particular.
Looking at my current SEEE

Code:: 6806 | D:7 | Reached XP level 9. HP: 46/51 MP: 19/22 6950 | D:7 | Reached skill level 10 in Earth Magic

By this point I was using stone arrow on dangerous things too. I definitely wouldn't be going toe to to with a hippogriff and using sandblast without stones. Petrify stabbing is OK, but you probably need high spell power to really make it useful.

You can't hybridize until you've got a solid base and to me it looks like you're trying way to early to do that. Be a strong EE first, then build up stabbing to use Ash's power and petrify stabs.

Saturday, 15th June 2013, 08:10 by Sandman25

Crawl is tempting me with +2,+2 Demon Whip of Pain at Lair 6. Stabbing petrified monsters with M&F gives about 40% of extra damage but I am not sure if it stacks with Pain brand. If it does, it can be superior to stabbing with dagger (112% at Stabbing 10). It looks like I don't stab much any way, at least Elephants and Death Yaks were killed by Stone Arrow. What do you think?

Code:: Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.12.2 (tiles) character file. DrEE the Geomancer (DrEE) Turns: 23199, Time: 03:09:55 HP 81/81 AC 10 Str 11 XL: 12 Next: 63% MP 19/28 EV 14 Int 21 God: Ashenzari [**....] Gold 655 SH 9 Dex 12 Spells: 6 memorised, 10 levels left Res.Fire : . . . See Invis. : . a - +0,+3 dwarf dagger (curse) Res.Cold : . . . Warding : . (armour unavailable) Life Prot.: + . . Conserve : + p - +0 orc buckler (curse) Res.Poison: . Res.Corr. : . (helmet restricted) Res.Elec. : . Clarity : . (no cloak) Sust.Abil.: . . Spirit.Shd : . j - +0 pair of elf gloves Res.Mut. : . Stasis : . n - +0 pair of orc boots Res.Rott. : . Ctrl.Telep.: . O - cursed amulet of conservation Saprovore : . . . Flight : . (no ring) N - cursed ring of life protection @: somewhat resistant to hostile enchantments, fairly stealthy A: breathe steam, unfitting armour, AC +8, Dex +1 a: Breathe Steam, Renounce Religion You are on level 6 of the Lair of Beasts. You worship Ashenzari. Ashenzari is most pleased with you. You are not hungry. You have visited 3 branches of the dungeon, and seen 16 of its levels. You have collected 989 gold pieces. You have spent 354 gold pieces at shops. Inventory: Hand weapons a - a cursed +0,+3 dwarven dagger (weapon) l - a +0,+0 sling t - a +0 blowgun u - a +0,+5 sabre of holy wrath B - a +0,+0 spear V - a +2,+2 demon whip of pain Missiles e - 56 darts f - a dart of dispersal h - 52 poisoned needles q - 8 needles of frenzy y - a throwing net Q - 2 javelins (quivered) Armour j - a +0 pair of elven gloves (worn) n - a +0 pair of orcish boots (worn) p - a cursed +0 orcish buckler (worn) Magical devices b - a wand of fireball {zapped: 1} c - a wand of digging {zapped: 1} r - a wand of invisibility (8) v - a wand of confusion {zapped: 6} x - a wand of magic darts {zapped: 2} C - a wand of draining {zapped: 1} F - a wand of paralysis {zapped: 4} G - a wand of magic darts H - a wand of disintegration {zapped: 5} K - a wand of polymorph {zapped: 2} L - a wand of fire {zapped: 1} Comestibles i - 2 bread rations M - 3 rotting chunks of crocodile flesh R - a rotting chunk of blink frog flesh S - a rotting chunk of blink frog flesh T - 2 chunks of komodo dragon flesh U - a meat ration Scrolls g - 3 scrolls of teleportation m - a scroll of blinking s - a scroll of fear z - a scroll of remove curse A - a scroll of summoning E - 3 scrolls of identify P - a scroll of magic mapping Jewellery k - an uncursed ring of teleportation N - a cursed ring of life protection (left hand) O - a cursed amulet of conservation (around neck) Potions o - a potion of agility w - 2 potions of brilliance D - 2 potions of curing I - 2 potions of berserk rage Books d - a book of Geomancy Spells Type Level *Sandblast Earth 1 *Stoneskin Transmutation/Earth 2 *Passwall Transmutation/Earth 3 *Stone Arrow Conjuration/Earth 3 *Petrify Transmutation/Earth 4 *Lee's Rapid Deconstruction Earth 5 J - a book of Enchantments Spells Type Level Cause Fear Hexes 4 Silence Hexes/Air 5 Tukima's Dance Hexes 5 Deflect Missiles Charms/Air 6 Haste Charms 6 Skills: + Level 5,2(7,4) Short Blades - Level 5,8 Dodging - Level 1,7 Stealth + Level 9,4 Stabbing - Level 1,4(2,4) Shields - Level 5,2 Traps - Level 8,5 Spellcasting - Level 3,1(4,4) Conjurations - Level 5,7(7,2) Transmutations - Level 14,2(15,4) Earth Magic - Level 0,2(0,6) Evocations You have 10 spell levels left. You know the following spells: Your Spells Type Power Failure Level Hunger a - Sandblast Erth ####### 0% 1 None b - Stoneskin Trmt/Erth #######... 1% 2 None c - Passwall Trmt/Erth #######... 1% 3 None d - Stone Arrow Conj/Erth ####### 1% 3 None e - Petrify Trmt/Erth #######.. 1% 4 ###.... f - Lee's Rapid Deconstr Erth #######... 1% 5 ####... Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations Branches: Dungeon (9/27) Temple (1/1) D:5 Lair (6/8) D:9 Shoals (0/5) Lair:5 Orc: D:6-11 Swamp: Lair:3-6 Snake: Lair:3-6 Spider: Lair:3-6 Slime: Lair:6-8 Altars: Ashenzari Cheibriados Elyvilon Fedhas Kikubaaqudgha Makhleb Nemelex Xobeh Okawaru Sif Muna Trog Vehumet Xom Yredelemnul Zin the Shining One Beogh Shops: D:5: ? D:8: ( D:9: / Portals: Ziggurat: D:6 (5170 gp) Annotations D:5 exclusion: sky beast D:6 exclusions: centaur and downstairs, Sigmund D:7 exclusion: downstairs D:8 exclusion: downstairs Lair:3 exclusion: 2 downstairs Lair:4 exclusion: 2 downstairs Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations You can breathe blasts of scalding steam. Your pale cyan-grey scales are hard (AC +8). Your body does not fit into most forms of armour. Your cold-blooded metabolism reacts poorly to cold. You are agile (Dex +1). Message History The giant frog hits you. Damage: -2%(-2hp) hp: 98%(79hp) Casting: Stone Arrow Confirm with . or Enter, or press ? or * to list all spells. Aiming: Stone Arrow Press: ? - help, Shift-Dir - straight line, f/p - giant frog Aim: a giant frog (severely wounded) The stone arrow hits the giant frog. You kill the giant frog! You start resting. HP restored. You start resting. The smell of rotting flesh makes you sick. (slot M) The komodo dragon is too close now for your liking. Casting: Stone Arrow Confirm with . or Enter, or press ? or * to list all spells. Aiming: Stone Arrow Press: ? - help, Shift-Dir - straight line Okay, then. Casting: Stone Arrow Confirm with . or Enter, or press ? or * to list all spells. Aiming: Stone Arrow Press: ? - help, Shift-Dir - straight line, f - fungus Aim: a fungus Okay, then. Throwing (i - inventory. (,) - cycle): Q - 2 javelins (quivered) Press: ? - help, Shift-Dir - straight line, f - komodo dragon Aim: a komodo dragon You throw a javelin. The javelin hits the komodo dragon. Casting: Stone Arrow Confirm with . or Enter, or press ? or * to list all spells. Aiming: Stone Arrow Press: ? - help, Shift-Dir - straight line Okay, then. Casting: Stone Arrow Confirm with . or Enter, or press ? or * to list all spells. Aiming: Stone Arrow Press: ? - help, Shift-Dir - straight line, f - komodo dragon Aim: a komodo dragon The stone arrow hits the komodo dragon. The komodo dragon is heavily wounded. Casting: Stone Arrow Confirm with . or Enter, or press ? or * to list all spells. Aiming: Stone Arrow Press: ? - help, Shift-Dir - straight line, f/p - komodo dragon Aim: a komodo dragon (heavily wounded) The stone arrow hits the komodo dragon. You kill the komodo dragon! You see here a komodo dragon corpse. You finish chopping the komodo dragon corpse into pieces. T - 3 chunks of komodo dragon flesh You see here a komodo dragon skeleton. You see here a blink frog skeleton. Q - 2 javelins (gained 1) Magic restored. Found a stone staircase leading down. You now have 645 gold pieces (gained 14). You found a bolt trap! Found 15 bolts. Found 10 gold pieces. You now have 655 gold pieces (gained 10). There is a stone staircase leading down here. You climb downwards. Found a meat ration. There is a stone staircase leading up here. Found a +2,+0 scimitar of electrocution. U - a meat ration You are feeling hungry. Eating one of 3 chunks of komodo dragon flesh. This raw flesh tastes terrible. Found a stone staircase leading up. Found a +2,+2 demon whip of pain. An adder comes into view. Found 23 darts. An iguana comes into view. The iguana hisses angrily. You see here a +2,+2 demon whip of pain. V - a +2,+2 demon whip of pain Casting: Stone Arrow Confirm with . or Enter, or press ? or * to list all spells. Aiming: Stone Arrow Press: ? - help, Shift-Dir - straight line, f - adder Aim: an adder The stone arrow hits the adder. You kill the adder! Casting: Stone Arrow Confirm with . or Enter, or press ? or * to list all spells. Aiming: Stone Arrow Press: ? - help, Shift-Dir - straight line, f - iguana Aim: an iguana The stone arrow hits the iguana. The iguana is almost dead. Casting: Stone Arrow Confirm with . or Enter, or press ? or * to list all spells. Aiming: Stone Arrow Press: ? - help, Shift-Dir - straight line, f/p - iguana Aim: an iguana (almost dead) The stone arrow hits the iguana. You kill the iguana! 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Vanquished Creatures 4 death yaks (Lair:4) Pikel (D:9) A black mamba (Lair:3) An elephant slug (Lair:4) 11 elephants 7 spiny frogs Grinder (D:6) 5 komodo dragons A spriggan (D:7) A two-headed ogre (D:9) 12 blink frogs 2 basilisks (Lair:5) 2 wyverns 17 yaks A fire drake (D:9) 8 hippogriffs 2 redbacks (Lair:5) 6 orc warriors A hippogriff zombie (D:6) 2 phantoms (D:8) 4 ogres 3 sky beasts (D:9) 3 centaurs A yak zombie (D:9) A yellow wasp zombie (D:6) 3 giant slugs 7 crocodiles A big kobold (D:9) 2 giant frog skeletons (D:7) 5 water moccasins 3 agate snails 16 giant frogs Blork the orc (D:8) 2 wights (D:9) A crocodile zombie (D:9) A quasit (D:8) A mottled dragon skeleton (D:7) 2 crimson imps 5 hounds 4 orc priests 3 scorpions A shadow (D:8) A big fish (Lair:5) 8 iguanas 2 worker ants 9 orc wizards 4 porcupines 15 sheep Jessica (D:3) A jelly (D:9) A goliath beetle zombie (D:5) 7 gnolls (D:7) 17 adders 3 giant centipedes 18 green rats 4 giant mites 4 worms 6 giant geckos 2 oozes 43 orcs 2 ball pythons (D:2) 8 hobgoblins 3 humans (D:6) 9 jackals 11 kobolds 10 quokkas 15 bats 10 giant cockroaches 12 giant newts 7 goblins An orc skeleton (D:5) 23 rats 2 ballistomycetes (D:8) A plant (Lair:4) 416 creatures vanquished. Vanquished Creatures (others) 4 slaves (D:9) 2 wights (D:9) A giant spore (D:8) A goblin (D:3) A kobold (D:1) 2 rats 2 fungi A plant (D:9) 14 creatures vanquished. Grand Total: 430 creatures vanquished Notes Turn | Place | Note -------------------------------------------------------------- 0 | D:1 | DrEE, the Draconian Earth Elementalist, began the quest for the Orb. 0 | D:1 | Reached XP level 1. HP: 14/14 MP: 3/3 63 | D:1 | Huge Dmg: 2 dmg 532 | D:1 | Reached XP level 2. HP: 18/20 MP: 4/4 536 | D:1 | Learned a level 2 spell: Stoneskin 1264 | D:1 | Reached XP level 3. HP: 22/26 MP: 6/6 1371 | D:2 | Found a sparkling altar of Nemelex Xobeh. 1696 | D:2 | Reached skill level 4 in Earth Magic 2228 | D:2 | Found a blossoming altar of Fedhas. 2532 | D:2 | Reached XP level 4. HP: 31/33 MP: 5/8 2884 | D:3 | Noticed Jessica 2891 | D:3 | Killed Jessica 3045 | D:3 | Reached skill level 5 in Earth Magic 3045 | D:3 | Reached XP level 5. HP: 38/38 MP: 5/10 3607 | D:4 | Noticed an ogre 3618 | D:4 | Killed an ogre 3781 | D:4 | Reached XP level 6. HP: 45/45 MP: 9/12 4217 | D:5 | Entered Level 5 of the Dungeon 4286 | D:5 | Huge Dmg: 15 dmg 4313 | D:5 | Huge Dmg: 10 dmg 4493 | D:5 | Reached skill level 6 in Earth Magic 4512 | D:5 | Found Mita's Magic Scroll Shoppe. 4523 | D:5 | Bought a scroll of fear for 38 gold pieces 4523 | D:5 | Bought a scroll of enchant weapon I for 60 gold pieces 4523 | D:5 | Bought a scroll of curse jewellery for 22 gold pieces 4523 | D:5 | Bought a scroll of recharging for 60 gold pieces 4582 | D:5 | Found a staircase to the Ecumenical Temple. 4647 | Temple | Entered the Ecumenical Temple 4675 | Temple | Became a worshipper of Ashenzari the Shackled 4709 | Temple | Learned a level 3 spell: Passwall 4713 | Temple | Learned a level 3 spell: Stone Arrow 4780 | D:5 | Reached skill level 1 in Conjurations 5120 | D:5 | Huge Dmg: 6 dmg 5123 | D:5 | Huge Dmg: 4 dmg 5278 | D:6 | Your scales start fading to a pale cyan-grey colour. 5278 | D:6 | Reached XP level 7. HP: 34/50 MP: 0/15 5284 | D:6 | Learned a level 4 spell: Petrify 5419 | D:6 | Noticed a human 5752 | D:6 | Noticed a human 5756 | D:6 | Huge Dmg: 17 dmg 5819 | D:6 | Noticed Sigmund 5947 | D:6 | Huge Dmg: 13 dmg 5953 | D:6 | Huge Dmg: 11 dmg 5956 | D:6 | Huge Dmg: 7 dmg 5970 | D:6 | Huge Dmg: 7 dmg 6241 | D:6 | Found a gateway to a ziggurat. 6263 | D:6 | Noticed Grinder 6266 | D:6 | Paralysed by Grinder for 5 turns 6278 | D:6 | Huge Dmg: 10 dmg 6279 | D:6 | Killed Grinder 6404 | D:6 | Reached skill level 1 in Stabbing 6404 | D:6 | Reached XP level 8. HP: 42/57 MP: 7/17 6534 | D:7 | Found a shimmering altar of Xom. 6832 | D:7 | Noticed a spriggan baker 6848 | D:7 | Huge Dmg: 12 dmg 6850 | D:7 | Killed a spriggan baker 6850 | D:7 | Reached skill level 5 in Transmutations 7517 | D:7 | Huge Dmg: 34 dmg 7518 | D:7 | Reached skill level 5 in Stabbing 7630 | D:7 | Reached XP level 9. HP: 47/62 MP: 7/18 7688 | D:7 | Found a bloodstained altar of Trog. 7945 | D:7 | Reached skill level 1 in Short Blades 8137 | D:8 | Found Gounol's Antique Weapon Shoppe. 8509 | D:8 | Huge Dmg: 16 dmg 8857 | D:8 | Found an ancient bone altar of Kikubaaqudgha. 8990 | D:8 | Bought a glowing sabre for 84 gold pieces 9152 | D:8 | Noticed Blork the orc 9262 | D:8 | Huge Dmg: 18 dmg 9442 | D:8 | Huge Dmg: 12 dmg 9442 | D:8 | Reached skill level 7 in Earth Magic 9490 | D:8 | Killed Blork the orc 9992 | D:8 | Reached skill level 8 in Earth Magic 10372 | D:9 | Found a staircase to the Lair. 10420 | D:9 | Reached skill level 1 in Shields 10531 | D:9 | Reached skill level 9 in Earth Magic 10531 | D:9 | Reached XP level 10. HP: 69/69 MP: 4/19 11005 | D:9 | Found a glowing golden altar of the Shining One. 11302 | D:9 | Found Igahauj's Magical Wand Emporium. 11314 | D:9 | Bought a wand of invisibility (2) for 90 gold pieces 11330 | D:9 | Noticed Pikel 11339 | D:9 | Killed Pikel 11339 | D:9 | Reached skill level 10 in Earth Magic 11460 | D:9 | Huge Dmg: 14 dmg 11619 | D:9 | Found a roughly hewn altar of Beogh. 11869 | D:9 | Huge Dmg: 15 dmg 11985 | D:9 | Paralysed by you for 6 turns 12041 | D:9 | Found a white marble altar of Elyvilon. 12075 | D:9 | Huge Dmg: 17 dmg 12076 | D:9 | Reached skill level 11 in Earth Magic 12515 | Lair:1 | Entered Level 1 of the Lair of Beasts 12873 | Lair:1 | Learned a level 5 spell: Lee's Rapid Deconstruction 13109 | Lair:1 | Reached skill level 5 in Spellcasting 14621 | Lair:2 | Huge Dmg: 17 dmg 14850 | Lair:2 | Huge Dmg: 17 dmg 14856 | Lair:2 | Reached XP level 11. HP: 35/74 MP: 3/23 15065 | Lair:2 | Gained mutation: You are agile (Dex +1). [potion of gain dexterity] 16441 | Lair:3 | Reached skill level 12 in Earth Magic 16991 | Lair:3 | Huge Dmg: 14 dmg 17291 | Lair:3 | Reached skill level 5 in Traps 17470 | Lair:3 | Huge Dmg: 18 dmg 18351 | Lair:4 | Huge Dmg: 36 dmg 18726 | Lair:4 | Reached skill level 5 in Dodging 19393 | Lair:4 | Noticed a death yak 19394 | Lair:4 | Noticed a death yak 19395 | Lair:4 | Noticed a death yak 19422 | Lair:4 | Huge Dmg: 20 dmg 19424 | Lair:4 | Noticed a death yak 19424 | Lair:4 | Killed a death yak 19606 | Lair:4 | Huge Dmg: 19 dmg 19607 | Lair:4 | Killed a death yak 19607 | Lair:4 | Reached skill level 13 in Earth Magic 19607 | Lair:4 | Reached XP level 12. HP: 54/81 MP: 5/27 19753 | Lair:5 | Acquired Ashenzari's first power 19801 | Lair:4 | Identified an uncursed rod of the swarm {!a} (You found it on level 1 of the Lair of Beasts) 19817 | Lair:4 | Huge Dmg: 24 dmg 19818 | Lair:4 | Killed a death yak 19945 | Lair:4 | Killed a death yak 20908 | Lair:4 | Reached skill level 14 in Earth Magic 21371 | Lair:5 | Found a staircase to the Shoals. 21746 | Lair:5 | Huge Dmg: 23 dmg 22154 | Lair:5 | Huge Dmg: 15 dmg 22157 | Lair:5 | Huge Dmg: 12 dmg 22927 | Lair:5 | Reached skill level 5 in Short Blades Action | 1- 3 | 4- 6 | 7- 9 | 10-12 || total -------------------------+-------+-------+-------+-------++------- Melee: Unarmed | 67 | 7 | | || 74 Dagger | 130 | 63 | 308 | 246 || 747 Spear | | | 10 | || 10 Fire: Blowgun | | | 11 | || 11 Throw: Dart | | 26 | 30 | 61 || 117 Javelin | | | | 69 || 69 Stone | | | | 8 || 8 Cast: Sandblast | 44 | 91 | 43 | 113 || 291 Stone Arrow | | 14 | 126 | 537 || 677 Stoneskin | | 3 | 4 | 7 || 14 Petrify | | | 20 | || 20 Passwall | | | 2 | 2 || 4 Evoke: Wand | | | 2 | 19 || 21 Use: Scroll | | 15 | 9 | 13 || 37 Potion | | | 7 | 2 || 9 Stab: Sleeping | 4 | 1 | 1 | 3 || 9 Petrified | | | 16 | || 16 Petrifying | | | 4 | || 4 Paralysed | | | | 2 || 2

Saturday, 15th June 2013, 11:18 by Grandiloquent Gentleman

You should get some necromancy if you want to use that whip and given that you worship Ash that will be easier( plus it will help you towards necromut if it's available). Yes the stab damage does stack with pain (that is why Qblades of pain are amazing). Given that the attack speed of a DWhip you should use it if you find a spellbook with a necromancy spell in it.

Saturday, 15th June 2013, 11:18 by crate

you should uncurse your weapon, use a dagger to stab, use the dwhip for not-stabbing

Saturday, 15th June 2013, 12:13 by Sandman25

I don't have any Necromancy spells yet so the demon blade is not that great

I am fully bound in magic now so I can uncurse my weapon if needed but Lair 8 is quite hard (I cannot melee packs of Death Yaks and LRD does not kill them fast) so I retreat often and I am back to 3 stars of piety. I will uncurse my weapon when I have Necro spell for training Necro. Killing Hydrae with Petrify is tricky, they resist the spell too often.

Edit: I uncursed my weapon. I still don't have Necro but I really like swapping protection/draining/holy/speed short blades. Protection is my default weapon (helps to survive ranged monsters). Holy has obvious purpose, draining is the best weapon for sleeping monster because it has highest damage, speed is for petrified ones because I cannot single-shot them.
Orcs 4 has wandering Saint Roka so I am going to explore dungeon.

Edit2: Trove requires +5, +5 Demon Whip. No, I am not going to give my +6,+6 demon whip of pain, I don't have another demon whip.

Saturday, 15th June 2013, 16:01 by Siegurt

Pain brand and stabbing do work at the same time, but pain is a strait + to damage based on necromancy skill, not a percentage bonus, and is added after the fact, so the amount of extra damage done by pain isn't related to whether your stabbing or not. The only brands that particularly benefit from stabbing are the ones which are a 'percentage of the damage done' i.e. fire,cold,vorpal, holy, foo slaying

Demon whips do not benifit from stabbing.

There are three tiers of stabbing weapons:

Tier 1: Bonus base damage: Short blades (Daggers are a special case within tier 1, as they get the bonus with half the skill of other short blades)
Tier 2: Bonus % damage: Long blades (Short blades also get this bonus)
Tier 3: A slightly smaller % bonus: Spears, Tridents, Demon Tridents, Trishulas (Not all polearms), Clubs (not all maces and flails, just clubs, not even giant clubs) and felid unarmed attacks. (Long and short blades also get this bonus as well)

All stab attacks also bypass AC and EV so stabbing with a demon whip will at least do that much

Saturday, 15th June 2013, 16:05 by Sandman25

Siegurt wrote:Pain brand and stabbing do work at the same time, but pain is a strait + to damage based on necromancy skill, not a percentage bonus, and is added after the fact, so the amount of extra damage done by pain isn't related to whether your stabbing or not. The only brands that particularly benefit from stabbing are the ones which are a 'percentage of the damage done' i.e. fire,cold,vorpal, holy, foo slaying

Demon whips do not benifit from stabbing.

There are three tiers of stabbing weapons:

Tier 1: Bonus base damage: Short blades (Daggers are a special case within tier 1, as they get the bonus with half the skill of other short blades)
Tier 2: Bonus % damage: Long blades (Short blades also get this bonus)
Tier 3: A slightly smaller % bonus: Spears, Tridents, Demon Tridents, Trishulas (Not all polearms), Clubs (not all maces and flails, just clubs, not even giant clubs) and felid unarmed attacks. (Long and short blades also get this bonus as well)

All stab attacks also bypass AC and EV so stabbing with a demon whip will at least do that much

Have you taken the data from source code? It somewhat contradicts to http://crawl.chaosforge.org/Stabbing

Saturday, 15th June 2013, 16:06 by Siegurt

To kill packs of death yaks at this point in the game, you probably need to pull them apart one at a time, and kill each one singly. Get one's attention and have it follow you upstairs, try to only bring one upstairs at a time. If you get more than one flee and rest up on the level above and try again. Don't be afraid to use consumables, or if it's too hard just come back later when you're more powerful.

Saturday, 15th June 2013, 16:10 by Siegurt

Oh, wait, I'm lying

I just re-read the source, that's what I get for misremembering.

The mentioned weapons are tier 2 weapons, not tier 3 weapons, tier 3 are "all other weapons" so yes, you do get some bonus from stabbing with a whip.

Saturday, 15th June 2013, 16:11 by Sandman25

Siegurt wrote:To kill packs of death yaks at this point in the game, you probably need to pull them apart one at a time, and kill each one singly. Get one's attention and have it follow you upstairs, try to only bring one upstairs at a time. If you get more than one flee and rest up on the level above and try again. Don't be afraid to use consumables, or if it's too hard just come back later when you're more powerful.

Yes, I fought them one on one, it took long time and that's why my piety went down. I didn't risk to go upstairs with Death Yak, I think it can kill me in 2 shots. I usually retreated to upstairs and then used Stone Arrow while standing on the upstairs. If a monster is still alive and there is 1-2 spaces between us, I go upstairs.

Also I always was invisible when fighting Catoblepas, the character cannot kill it otherwise.

I found a ring of Inv so I don't use Petrify much. Here is my latest dump. Main problem is with Footaurs, especially with arrows of dispersal.
So I am going to train some Air for Deflect Missles (I don't want to wear wizardry ring).

Edit: I replaced conservation with gourmand, I almost died because of hunger (Inv and Haste require much food and LRD is not hungerless either).

Code:: Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.12.2 (tiles) character file. DrEE the Earth Mage (DrEE) Turns: 55013, Time: 07:27:59 HP 116/116 AC 17 Str 12 XL: 16 Next: 99% MP 16/34 EV 17 Int 22 God: Ashenzari [*****.] Gold 1892 SH 11 Dex 12 Spells: 10 memorised, 3 levels left Res.Fire : . . . See Invis. : + M - +4 elf dagger (elec) Res.Cold : . . . Warding : . (armour unavailable) Life Prot.: . . . Conserve : . p - +0 orc buckler (curse) Res.Poison: + Res.Corr. : . (helmet restricted) Res.Elec. : . Clarity : + S - +0 cloak (curse) Sust.Abil.: . . Spirit.Shd : . j - +0 pair of elf gloves (curse) Res.Mut. : . Stasis : . n - +0 pair of orc boots (curse) Res.Rott. : . Ctrl.Telep.: . L - cursed amulet of the gourmand Gourmand : + Flight : . m - cursed ring of poison resistance a - cursed ring "Liurghad" {+Inv +Fly Stlth++} @: stone skin, somewhat resistant to hostile enchantments, very stealthy A: breathe steam, unfitting armour, AC +9, Dex +1 a: Breathe Steam, Scrying, Transfer Knowledge, Renounce Religion, Evoke Invisibility, Evoke Flight You are on level 19 of the Dungeon. You worship Ashenzari. Ashenzari is exalted by your worship. You are completely stuffed. You have visited 4 branches of the dungeon, and seen 32 of its levels. You have collected 3209 gold pieces. You have spent 1337 gold pieces at shops. Inventory: Hand weapons f - the crossbow of Blood-Lust {venom, +Inv MR} (You found it on level 13 of the Dungeon) It poisons the ammo it fires. It affects your resistance to hostile enchantments. It lets you turn invisible. t - a +0 blowgun u - a +0,+5 sabre of holy wrath w - a +2,+2 dagger of protection {!f} E - a +3,+4 orcish dagger of draining I - a +3,+0 dagger of speed M - a +4,+4 elven dagger of electrocution (weapon) V - a +6,+8 demon whip of pain Missiles h - 59 poisoned needles q - 8 needles of frenzy x - 3 curare-tipped needles Y - a javelin (quivered) Armour j - a cursed +0 pair of elven gloves (worn) n - a cursed +0 pair of orcish boots (worn) p - a cursed +0 orcish buckler (worn) S - a cursed +0 cloak (worn) Magical devices b - a wand of fireball {zapped: 1} c - a wand of digging {zapped: 2} d - a wand of enslavement {zapped: 3} e - a twisted glass wand l - a wand of disintegration {zapped: 1} r - a wand of invisibility (6) v - a wand of confusion {zapped: 6} B - a wand of paralysis (11) C - a wand of draining {zapped: 1} F - a wand of paralysis (3) G - a wand of magic darts {zapped: 2} K - a wand of polymorph {zapped: 2} Q - a wand of fire Scrolls g - 2 scrolls of teleportation y - a scroll of fog A - a scroll of summoning P - a scroll of magic mapping Jewellery a - the cursed ring "Liurghad" (left hand) {+Inv +Fly Stlth++} (You bought it in a shop on level 13 of the Dungeon) [ring of flight] It lets you turn invisible. It makes you much more stealthy. It has a curse placed upon it. m - a cursed ring of poison resistance (right hand) L - a cursed amulet of the gourmand (around neck) Potions o - a potion of agility D - 6 potions of curing H - a potion of heal wounds N - 3 potions of magic T - 2 potions of resistance Books J - a manual of Staves X - a book of Enchantments Spells Type Level Cause Fear Hexes 4 Silence Hexes/Air 5 Tukima's Dance Hexes 5 *Deflect Missiles Charms/Air 6 *Haste Charms 6 Skills: - Level 5,0 Fighting - Level 10,1 Short Blades - Level 12,0 Maces & Flails - Level 8,1(10,7) Dodging - Level 4,7(7,3) Stealth - Level 11,6 Stabbing - Level 4,1(6,6) Shields - Level 6,2 Traps - Level 11,4 Spellcasting - Level 5,3(9,3) Conjurations + Level 8,9(12,8) Charms - Level 7,3(11,3) Transmutations - Level 15,8(19,2) Earth Magic - Level 4,7(8,6) Evocations You have 3 spell levels left. You know the following spells: Your Spells Type Power Failure Level Hunger a - Sandblast Erth ####### 0% 1 None b - Stoneskin Trmt/Erth #######... 0% 2 None c - Passwall Trmt/Erth #######... 1% 3 None d - Stone Arrow Conj/Erth ####### 1% 3 None e - Petrify Trmt/Erth #######.. 1% 4 None f - Lee's Rapid Deconstr Erth ########.. 1% 5 ###.... g - Spider Form Trmt/Pois ######.... 1% 3 None h - Deflect Missiles Chrm/Air ######.... 67% 6 #####.. H - Haste Chrm #######.. 4% 6 #####.. P - Summon Butterflies Summ ###...... 8% 1 None Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations Branches: Dungeon (19/27) Temple (1/1) D:5 Orc (4/4) D:11 Elf (0/3) Orc:3 Lair (8/8) D:9 Shoals (0/5) Lair:5 Spider (0/5) Lair:6 Slime: Lair:6-8 Vaults: D:15-20 Altars: Ashenzari Cheibriados Elyvilon Fedhas Kikubaaqudgha Makhleb Nemelex Xobeh Okawaru Sif Muna Trog Vehumet Xom Yredelemnul Zin the Shining One Beogh Shops: D:5: ? D:8: ( D:9: / D:11: [ D:12: * D:13: = D:15: ? Portals: Ziggurat: D:6 (5170 gp) Trove: D:17 (give +5,+5 demon whip) Annotations D:6 exclusions: centaur and downstairs, Sigmund D:7 exclusion: downstairs D:8 exclusion: downstairs D:10 exclusion: downstairs D:17 exclusion: 2 downstairs, Snorg D:19 exclusion: 2 upstairs Orc:2 exclusions: 2 downstairs and upstairs Orc:4 Saint Roka Lair:3 exclusion: 2 downstairs Lair:4 exclusion: 2 downstairs Lair:6 exclusion: 2 downstairs Lair:7 exclusion: downstairs Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations You can breathe blasts of scalding steam.* Your pale cyan-grey scales are hard (AC +9).* Your body does not fit into most forms of armour. Your cold-blooded metabolism reacts poorly to cold. You are agile (Dex +1). Message History The two-headed ogre misses you. The two-headed ogre barely misses you. You barely miss the two-headed ogre. The two-headed ogre is severely wounded. You hit the two-headed ogre. The two-headed ogre is severely wounded. You hit the two-headed ogre. The two-headed ogre is almost dead. You hit the two-headed ogre. There is a sudden explosion of sparks! You kill the two-headed ogre! You hit the two-headed ogre. The two-headed ogre is lightly wounded. You hit the two-headed ogre. There is a sudden explosion of sparks! The two-headed ogre is almost dead. The two-headed ogre misses you. You completely miss the two-headed ogre. You tail-slap the two-headed ogre. The two-headed ogre is almost dead. You slash the two-headed ogre! You kill the two-headed ogre! Your skin hardens. * * * LOW MAGIC WARNING * * * You barely miss the ogre. The ogre completely misses you. You hit the ogre. The ogre is lightly wounded. You hit the ogre. Your tail-slap misses the ogre. The ogre is moderately wounded. You hit the ogre. The ogre is moderately wounded. The ogre closely misses you. You barely miss the ogre. The ogre is moderately wounded. You hit the ogre. The ogre is heavily wounded. You block the ogre's attack. You hit the ogre. There is a sudden explosion of sparks! The ogre is almost dead. You hit the ogre. The ogre is almost dead. You barely miss the ogre. The ogre is almost dead. The ogre barely misses you. You hit the ogre. You kill the ogre! You slash the ogre! Your tail-slap misses the ogre. The ogre is moderately wounded. You hit the ogre. You tail-slap the ogre, but do no damage. The ogre is moderately wounded. You block the ogre's attack. You hit the ogre. The ogre is heavily wounded. You barely miss the ogre. The ogre is heavily wounded. You hit the ogre. The ogre is heavily wounded. The ogre completely misses you. You hit the ogre. There is a sudden explosion of sparks! You kill the ogre! You hit the ogre. The ogre is lightly wounded. You hit the ogre. There is a sudden explosion of sparks! The ogre is almost dead. The ogre hits you with a giant club. Damage: -4%(-5hp) hp: 96%(111hp) You hit the ogre. You kill the ogre! Items here: %%% ))))) an uncursed giant club; an ogre corpse; an uncursed giant club; an ogre corpse; an uncursed giant club an uncursed giant club a two-headed ogre corpse Butcher an ogre corpse? [(y)es/(c)hop/(n)o/(a)ll/(q)uit/?] Butcher an ogre corpse? [(y)es/(c)hop/(n)o/(a)ll/(q)uit/?] Okay, then. You finish chopping the ogre corpse into pieces. i - 5 chunks of ogre flesh Items here: %% ))))) an uncursed giant club an ogre corpse; an uncursed giant club; an uncursed giant club; an uncursed giant club; a two-headed ogre corpse Eating one of 5 chunks of ogre flesh. This raw flesh tastes great. Eating one of 4 chunks of ogre flesh. This raw flesh tastes great. Eating one of 3 chunks of ogre flesh. This raw flesh tastes great. Eating one of 2 chunks of ogre flesh. This raw flesh tastes great. HP restored. Eating a chunk of ogre flesh. This raw flesh tastes great. You aren't carrying any food. You aren't carrying any food. You aren't carrying any food. Butcher an ogre corpse? 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Vanquished Creatures Frances (D:17) Donald (Orc:3) 2 minotaurs (D:16) A siren (shapeshifter) (D:15) 9 hydras Fannar (Orc:4) Erica (Orc:3) A dancing weapon (D:19) An ogre mage (D:19) A rakshasa (D:17) 20 death yaks An orc high priest (Orc:3) Urug (D:10) Nergalle (Orc:3) A frost giant skeleton (D:19) 4 catoblepae A skeletal warrior (D:17) A stone giant skeleton (D:18) 11 centaur warriors 4 unseen horrors 6 orc knights 3 harpies (shapeshifter) Pikel (D:9) 6 hill giants 2 spiny worms 5 griffons A hydra zombie (D:15) A wolf spider (Lair:7) A red wasp (shapeshifter) (D:19) 6 cyclopes 2 orc sorcerers A harpy skeleton (D:17) Maurice (D:11) A guardian serpent zombie (D:14) 4 black mambas 2 elephant slugs A griffon zombie (D:14) An orange demon (D:16) 32 slime creatures An item mimic (Lair:7) 2 hill giant zombies 11 elephants A griffon skeleton (D:19) 8 spiny frogs 10 yaktaurs 39 ugly things 9 trolls Grinder (D:6) 4 hill giant skeletons 8 komodo dragons A spriggan (D:7) 6 two-headed ogres 17 blink frogs A grizzly bear (shapeshifter) (D:13) 4 basilisks 9 wyverns A vampire (D:15) 8 sharks 5 hungry ghosts 9 war dogs A trapdoor spider (D:13) 72 yaks Grum (D:11) 3 fire drakes 2 fire crab zombies A yaktaur zombie (D:19) 2 rock worms 10 hippogriffs 2 redbacks (Lair:5) A deep elf fighter (D:19) A rock worm (shapeshifter) (D:13) 2 manticores 2 mottled dragons A wyvern zombie (D:12) A giant slug zombie (D:15) 30 orc warriors 2 cyclops zombies A boulder beetle (Lair:7) A necrophage (D:13) 4 soldier ants A hippogriff zombie (D:6) 3 phantoms (D:8) 3 ice beasts A yellow wasp (D:12) 2 freezing wraiths (D:19) A cyclops skeleton (D:15) A boulder beetle zombie (D:18) 12 ogres 4 boring beetles 6 sky beasts 21 centaurs A troll zombie (D:15) A rotting devil (D:17) An ice beast (shapeshifter) (D:15) 2 yak zombies 2 wargs A yellow wasp zombie (D:6) 6 giant slugs 14 crocodiles A brain worm (D:19) 7 big kobolds 2 giant frog skeletons (D:7) 7 water moccasins A cyclops simulacrum (D:14) 5 agate snails 30 giant frogs Blork the orc (D:8) 21 giant goldfish A basilisk zombie (D:11) 2 eyes of draining (D:13) A two-headed ogre skeleton (D:11) 5 killer bees (D:11) 2 killer bee zombies 2 wights (D:9) A crocodile zombie (D:9) 2 goliath beetles 2 quasits A mottled dragon zombie (D:11) A big kobold skeleton (D:13) 2 mottled dragon skeletons 6 crimson imps 8 hounds 27 orc priests 4 scorpions 3 shadows 8 big fish A hound zombie (D:10) 11 iguanas 7 worker ants 42 orc wizards 5 porcupines 2 spectral orcs (Orc:2) 18 sheep Jessica (D:3) 4 jellies A goliath beetle zombie (D:5) 17 gnolls 26 adders 6 giant centipedes 30 green rats 4 giant mites 4 worms 6 giant geckos 2 oozes 187 orcs 2 ball pythons (D:2) 14 hobgoblins 3 humans (D:6) 12 jackals 36 kobolds 11 quokkas 18 bats 10 giant cockroaches 12 giant newts 14 goblins An illusory rakshasa (D:17) An orc skeleton (D:5) 23 rats 20 ballistomycetes A plant (Lair:4) 1224 creatures vanquished. Vanquished Creatures (others) A yak (D:16) 2 centaurs (D:15) 4 slaves (D:9) A giant frog (D:15) 2 wights (D:9) An orc wizard (D:19) 2 orcs 5 giant spores 3 goblins A kobold (D:1) 2 rats 4 ballistomycetes 6 fungi 18 plants 52 creatures vanquished. Grand Total: 1276 creatures vanquished Notes Turn | Place | Note -------------------------------------------------------------- 0 | D:1 | DrEE, the Draconian Earth Elementalist, began the quest for the Orb. 0 | D:1 | Reached XP level 1. HP: 14/14 MP: 3/3 63 | D:1 | Huge Dmg: 2 dmg 532 | D:1 | Reached XP level 2. HP: 18/20 MP: 4/4 536 | D:1 | Learned a level 2 spell: Stoneskin 1264 | D:1 | Reached XP level 3. HP: 22/26 MP: 6/6 1371 | D:2 | Found a sparkling altar of Nemelex Xobeh. 1696 | D:2 | Reached skill level 4 in Earth Magic 2228 | D:2 | Found a blossoming altar of Fedhas. 2532 | D:2 | Reached XP level 4. HP: 31/33 MP: 5/8 2884 | D:3 | Noticed Jessica 2891 | D:3 | Killed Jessica 3045 | D:3 | Reached skill level 5 in Earth Magic 3045 | D:3 | Reached XP level 5. HP: 38/38 MP: 5/10 3607 | D:4 | Noticed an ogre 3618 | D:4 | Killed an ogre 3781 | D:4 | Reached XP level 6. HP: 45/45 MP: 9/12 4217 | D:5 | Entered Level 5 of the Dungeon 4286 | D:5 | Huge Dmg: 15 dmg 4313 | D:5 | Huge Dmg: 10 dmg 4493 | D:5 | Reached skill level 6 in Earth Magic 4512 | D:5 | Found Mita's Magic Scroll Shoppe. 4523 | D:5 | Bought a scroll of fear for 38 gold pieces 4523 | D:5 | Bought a scroll of enchant weapon I for 60 gold pieces 4523 | D:5 | Bought a scroll of curse jewellery for 22 gold pieces 4523 | D:5 | Bought a scroll of recharging for 60 gold pieces 4582 | D:5 | Found a staircase to the Ecumenical Temple. 4647 | Temple | Entered the Ecumenical Temple 4675 | Temple | Became a worshipper of Ashenzari the Shackled 4709 | Temple | Learned a level 3 spell: Passwall 4713 | Temple | Learned a level 3 spell: Stone Arrow 4780 | D:5 | Reached skill level 1 in Conjurations 5120 | D:5 | Huge Dmg: 6 dmg 5123 | D:5 | Huge Dmg: 4 dmg 5278 | D:6 | Your scales start fading to a pale cyan-grey colour. 5278 | D:6 | Reached XP level 7. HP: 34/50 MP: 0/15 5284 | D:6 | Learned a level 4 spell: Petrify 5419 | D:6 | Noticed a human 5752 | D:6 | Noticed a human 5756 | D:6 | Huge Dmg: 17 dmg 5819 | D:6 | Noticed Sigmund 5947 | D:6 | Huge Dmg: 13 dmg 5953 | D:6 | Huge Dmg: 11 dmg 5956 | D:6 | Huge Dmg: 7 dmg 5970 | D:6 | Huge Dmg: 7 dmg 6241 | D:6 | Found a gateway to a ziggurat. 6263 | D:6 | Noticed Grinder 6266 | D:6 | Paralysed by Grinder for 5 turns 6278 | D:6 | Huge Dmg: 10 dmg 6279 | D:6 | Killed Grinder 6404 | D:6 | Reached skill level 1 in Stabbing 6404 | D:6 | Reached XP level 8. HP: 42/57 MP: 7/17 6534 | D:7 | Found a shimmering altar of Xom. 6832 | D:7 | Noticed a spriggan baker 6848 | D:7 | Huge Dmg: 12 dmg 6850 | D:7 | Killed a spriggan baker 6850 | D:7 | Reached skill level 5 in Transmutations 7517 | D:7 | Huge Dmg: 34 dmg 7518 | D:7 | Reached skill level 5 in Stabbing 7630 | D:7 | Reached XP level 9. HP: 47/62 MP: 7/18 7688 | D:7 | Found a bloodstained altar of Trog. 7945 | D:7 | Reached skill level 1 in Short Blades 8137 | D:8 | Found Gounol's Antique Weapon Shoppe. 8509 | D:8 | Huge Dmg: 16 dmg 8857 | D:8 | Found an ancient bone altar of Kikubaaqudgha. 8990 | D:8 | Bought a glowing sabre for 84 gold pieces 9152 | D:8 | Noticed Blork the orc 9262 | D:8 | Huge Dmg: 18 dmg 9442 | D:8 | Huge Dmg: 12 dmg 9442 | D:8 | Reached skill level 7 in Earth Magic 9490 | D:8 | Killed Blork the orc 9992 | D:8 | Reached skill level 8 in Earth Magic 10372 | D:9 | Found a staircase to the Lair. 10420 | D:9 | Reached skill level 1 in Shields 10531 | D:9 | Reached skill level 9 in Earth Magic 10531 | D:9 | Reached XP level 10. HP: 69/69 MP: 4/19 11005 | D:9 | Found a glowing golden altar of the Shining One. 11302 | D:9 | Found Igahauj's Magical Wand Emporium. 11314 | D:9 | Bought a wand of invisibility (2) for 90 gold pieces 11330 | D:9 | Noticed Pikel 11339 | D:9 | Killed Pikel 11339 | D:9 | Reached skill level 10 in Earth Magic 11460 | D:9 | Huge Dmg: 14 dmg 11619 | D:9 | Found a roughly hewn altar of Beogh. 11869 | D:9 | Huge Dmg: 15 dmg 11985 | D:9 | Paralysed by you for 6 turns 12041 | D:9 | Found a white marble altar of Elyvilon. 12075 | D:9 | Huge Dmg: 17 dmg 12076 | D:9 | Reached skill level 11 in Earth Magic 12515 | Lair:1 | Entered Level 1 of the Lair of Beasts 12873 | Lair:1 | Learned a level 5 spell: Lee's Rapid Deconstruction 13109 | Lair:1 | Reached skill level 5 in Spellcasting 14621 | Lair:2 | Huge Dmg: 17 dmg 14850 | Lair:2 | Huge Dmg: 17 dmg 14856 | Lair:2 | Reached XP level 11. HP: 35/74 MP: 3/23 15065 | Lair:2 | Gained mutation: You are agile (Dex +1). [potion of gain dexterity] 16441 | Lair:3 | Reached skill level 12 in Earth Magic 16991 | Lair:3 | Huge Dmg: 14 dmg 17291 | Lair:3 | Reached skill level 5 in Traps 17470 | Lair:3 | Huge Dmg: 18 dmg 18351 | Lair:4 | Huge Dmg: 36 dmg 18726 | Lair:4 | Reached skill level 5 in Dodging 19393 | Lair:4 | Noticed a death yak 19394 | Lair:4 | Noticed a death yak 19395 | Lair:4 | Noticed a death yak 19422 | Lair:4 | Huge Dmg: 20 dmg 19424 | Lair:4 | Noticed a death yak 19424 | Lair:4 | Killed a death yak 19606 | Lair:4 | Huge Dmg: 19 dmg 19607 | Lair:4 | Killed a death yak 19607 | Lair:4 | Reached skill level 13 in Earth Magic 19607 | Lair:4 | Reached XP level 12. HP: 54/81 MP: 5/27 19753 | Lair:5 | Acquired Ashenzari's first power 19801 | Lair:4 | Identified an uncursed rod of the swarm {!a} (You found it on level 1 of the Lair of Beasts) 19817 | Lair:4 | Huge Dmg: 24 dmg 19818 | Lair:4 | Killed a death yak 19945 | Lair:4 | Killed a death yak 20908 | Lair:4 | Reached skill level 14 in Earth Magic 21371 | Lair:5 | Found a staircase to the Shoals. 21746 | Lair:5 | Huge Dmg: 23 dmg 22154 | Lair:5 | Huge Dmg: 15 dmg 22157 | Lair:5 | Huge Dmg: 12 dmg 22927 | Lair:5 | Reached skill level 5 in Short Blades 23290 | Lair:6 | Noticed a seven-headed hydra 23315 | Lair:6 | Huge Dmg: 18 dmg 23316 | Lair:6 | Huge Dmg: 30 dmg 23316 | Lair:6 | Killed a seven-headed hydra 23804 | Lair:6 | Acquired Ashenzari's second power 24191 | Lair:6 | Found a hole to the Spider Nest. 24480 | Lair:7 | Reached skill level 10 in Stabbing 24491 | Lair:7 | Noticed a death yak 24492 | Lair:7 | Noticed a death yak 25032 | Lair:7 | Noticed a five-headed hydra 25044 | Lair:7 | Killed a five-headed hydra 25206 | Lair:7 | Reached XP level 13. HP: 86/86 MP: 18/29 25223 | Lair:7 | Huge Dmg: 31 dmg 25555 | Lair:7 | Noticed a four-headed hydra 25627 | Lair:7 | Killed a four-headed hydra 25814 | Lair:7 | Noticed a death yak 25845 | Lair:7 | Killed a death yak 25984 | Lair:7 | Killed a death yak 26091 | Lair:7 | Killed a death yak 26195 | Lair:7 | Noticed a death yak 26197 | Lair:7 | Noticed a death yak 26200 | Lair:7 | Noticed a death yak 26204 | Lair:6 | Reached skill level 1 in Fighting 26294 | Lair:7 | Noticed a four-headed hydra 26304 | Lair:7 | Killed a four-headed hydra 26388 | Lair:8 | Entered Level 8 of the Lair of Beasts 26566 | Lair:7 | Killed a death yak 26651 | Lair:7 | Killed a death yak 27438 | Lair:8 | Acquired Ashenzari's third power 27703 | Lair:8 | Huge Dmg: 18 dmg 28575 | Lair:8 | Noticed a six-headed hydra 28645 | Lair:8 | Huge Dmg: 20 dmg 28863 | Lair:8 | Huge Dmg: 20 dmg 28863 | Lair:8 | Reached skill level 1 in Evocations 28974 | Lair:8 | Huge Dmg: 16 dmg 29055 | Lair:8 | Huge Dmg: 22 dmg 29057 | Lair:8 | Huge Dmg: 12 dmg 29548 | Lair:8 | Reached skill level 10 in Spellcasting 30076 | Lair:8 | Huge Dmg: 21 dmg 30079 | Lair:8 | Reached skill level 5 in Conjurations 30079 | Lair:8 | Reached skill level 15 in Earth Magic 30331 | Lair:8 | Huge Dmg: 24 dmg 30332 | Lair:8 | Huge Dmg: 17 dmg 30558 | Lair:7 | Huge Dmg: 27 dmg 30813 | Lair:8 | Killed a six-headed hydra 30813 | Lair:8 | Reached XP level 14. HP: 101/101 MP: 18/31 30973 | Lair:8 | Got the cursed cloak of Gheijeha {SInv} 30976 | Lair:8 | Identified the cursed -2 cloak of Gheijeha {SInv} (You found it on level 8 of the Lair of Beasts) 31332 | D:10 | Entered Level 10 of the Dungeon 32192 | D:11 | Noticed Urug 32232 | D:10 | Killed Urug 32483 | D:11 | Found a staircase to the Orcish Mines. 32483 | D:11 | Found Prahicw's Armour Emporium. 32590 | D:11 | Bought a cursed +0 cloak for 33 gold pieces 33481 | D:11 | Noticed Maurice 33532 | D:11 | Killed Maurice 33657 | D:11 | Noticed Grum 33717 | D:11 | Killed Grum 34135 | Orc:1 | Entered Level 1 of the Orcish Mines 34494 | Orc:1 | Acquired Ashenzari's fourth power 35001 | Orc:3 | Noticed Erica 35648 | Orc:2 | Huge Dmg: 46 dmg 36054 | Orc:3 | Noticed Nergalle 36505 | Orc:3 | Killed Erica 36514 | Orc:3 | Noticed Donald 36521 | Orc:3 | Killed Donald 36619 | Orc:3 | Found a staircase to the Elven Halls. 37014 | Orc:3 | Killed Nergalle 37369 | Orc:4 | Entered Level 4 of the Orcish Mines 37373 | Orc:4 | Huge Dmg: 21 dmg 37379 | Orc:3 | Huge Dmg: 38 dmg 37790 | Orc:4 | Huge Dmg: 38 dmg 37961 | Orc:4 | Huge Dmg: 20 dmg 38091 | Orc:4 | Noticed Fannar 38101 | Orc:4 | Huge Dmg: 24 dmg 38105 | Orc:4 | Killed Fannar 38754 | Orc:4 | Noticed Saint Roka 39091 | D:12 | Learned a level 3 spell: Spider Form 39252 | D:12 | Found Wuxan's Assorted Antiques. 39260 | D:12 | Bought a scroll of blinking for 159 gold pieces 40244 | D:12 | Huge Dmg: 37 dmg 40247 | D:12 | Huge Dmg: 13 dmg 40248 | D:12 | Huge Dmg: 29 dmg 41378 | D:5 | Reached skill level 1 in Maces & Flails 41439 | D:5 | Bought a scroll of enchant weapon II for 60 gold pieces 41691 | D:13 | Found Emia's Jewellery Shoppe. 41693 | D:13 | Bought the ring "Liurghad" {+Inv +Fly Stlth++} for 731 gold pieces 42178 | D:13 | Got the crossbow of Blood-Lust {venom, +Inv MR} 42295 | D:13 | Found a blossoming altar of Fedhas. 42997 | D:13 | Reached XP level 15. HP: 103/107 MP: 2/33 43464 | D:13 | Reached skill level 5 in Maces & Flails 44097 | D:14 | Entered Level 14 of the Dungeon 44973 | D:14 | Huge Dmg: 26 dmg 45177 | D:14 | Identified the ring of Koeruqi Nuzy {Wiz Dex+3 Int+3} 45583 | D:15 | Entered Level 15 of the Dungeon 45790 | D:15 | Found Gregruja's Magic Scroll Shop. 45792 | D:15 | Huge Dmg: 44 dmg 45793 | D:15 | Huge Dmg: 26 dmg 46422 | D:15 | Huge Dmg: 30 dmg 46857 | D:15 | Huge Dmg: 23 dmg 47122 | D:15 | Reached skill level 10 in Maces & Flails 47324 | D:15 | Huge Dmg: 21 dmg 48148 | D:16 | Huge Dmg: 20 dmg 49047 | D:16 | Huge Dmg: 13 dmg 49050 | D:16 | Huge Dmg: 24 dmg 49515 | D:16 | Reached skill level 10 in Short Blades 49515 | D:16 | Reached XP level 16. HP: 114/114 MP: 32/34 49576 | D:16 | Got an antique book 49577 | D:16 | Identified the Compendium of Beguiling and Arcane Weapons (You found it on level 16 of the Dungeon) 49580 | D:16 | Learned a level 1 spell: Summon Butterflies 49941 | D:17 | Noticed Snorg 49946 | D:17 | Noticed Frances 49960 | D:17 | Huge Dmg: 28 dmg 49962 | D:17 | Huge Dmg: 21 dmg 49964 | D:17 | Killed Frances 50198 | D:17 | Huge Dmg: 24 dmg 50641 | D:17 | Huge Dmg: 26 dmg 50787 | D:17 | Huge Dmg: 29 dmg 51024 | D:17 | Found a portal to a secret trove of treasure. 51219 | D:17 | Reached skill level 5 in Fighting 51229 | D:17 | Huge Dmg: 23 dmg 51498 | Lair:2 | Learned a level 6 spell: Deflect Missiles 51505 | Lair:2 | Learned a level 6 spell: Haste 51663 | D:17 | Reached skill level 1 in Charms 52156 | D:18 | Found a shimmering altar of Xom. 52164 | D:18 | Found a shimmering altar of Xom. 52165 | D:18 | Found a shimmering altar of Xom. 52166 | D:18 | Found a shimmering altar of Xom. 52287 | D:18 | Huge Dmg: 26 dmg 52389 | D:18 | Reached skill level 5 in Charms 52748 | D:18 | Noticed Mara 52756 | D:18 | Noticed DrEE's illusion 53256 | D:18 | Huge Dmg: 43 dmg 53258 | D:18 | Huge Dmg: 16 dmg 54007 | D:18 | Noticed Mara 54007 | D:18 | Noticed Mara 54509 | D:19 | Huge Dmg: 14 dmg Action | 1- 3 | 4- 6 | 7- 9 | 10-12 | 13-15 | 16-18 || total -------------------------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------++------- Melee: Unarmed | 67 | 7 | | | | || 74 Dagger | 130 | 63 | 308 | 285 | 759 | 251 || 1796 Spear | | | 10 | | | || 10 Sabre | | | | | 27 | 23 || 50 Demon whip | | | | | 17 | 14 || 31 Fire: Blowgun | | | 11 | | 8 | || 19 Throw: Dart | | 26 | 30 | 83 | 20 | || 159 Javelin | | | | 78 | 30 | 3 || 111 Stone | | | | 8 | | || 8 Cast: Sandblast | 44 | 91 | 43 | 157 | 55 | || 390 Stone Arrow | | 14 | 126 | 596 | 857 | 144 || 1737 Stoneskin | | 3 | 4 | 8 | 70 | 7 || 92 Petrify | | | 20 | 5 | 22 | 2 || 49 Passwall | | | 2 | 5 | 51 | 4 || 62 Lee's Rapid Decon | | | | | 82 | 78 || 160 Haste | | | | | | 1 || 1 Summon Butterflie | | | | | | 1 || 1 Invok: Scrying | | | | | 1 | || 1 Abil: Breathe Steam | | | | 1 | 6 | 3 || 10 Evoke Invisibilit | | | | | 15 | 11 || 26 Turn Visible | | | | | 3 | 8 || 11 Evoke: Wand | | | 2 | 22 | 11 | || 35 Miscellaneous | | | | | | 1 || 1 Use: Scroll | | 15 | 9 | 13 | 35 | 8 || 80 Potion | | | 7 | 2 | 9 | 3 || 21 Stab: Sleeping | 4 | 1 | 1 | 6 | 83 | 28 || 123 Petrified | | | 16 | 3 | 26 | || 45 Petrifying | | | 4 | | | || 4 Paralysed | | | | 3 | | || 3 Invisible | | | | | 40 | 19 || 59 Distracted | | | | | 1 | || 1

Saturday, 15th June 2013, 16:12 by Sandman25

Siegurt wrote:Oh, wait, I'm lying
I just re-read the source, that's what I get for misremembering.

The mentioned weapons are tier 2 weapons, not tier 3 weapons, tier 3 are "all other weapons" so yes, you do get some bonus from stabbing with a whip.

That's ok

Since I don't have cursed weapon any more, I use daggers for stabbing. Unfortunately fsim cannot tell us what's better for stabbing - +8 Demon Whip or +4 dagger.

Saturday, 15th June 2013, 16:21 by Siegurt

Lucky for you I can!

A +8 demon whip with your posted skills (at last dump) averages 50.06 damage/stab
A +4 dagger averages 56.89

Dagger wins!

Yay for my silly obsession with making spreadsheets with formulas in them

Saturday, 15th June 2013, 16:24 by Siegurt

Oh, and that's a petrify stab

Invis stab is 44.05 for the dagger and 37.07 for the whip

Saturday, 15th June 2013, 16:27 by Sandman25

Siegurt wrote:Oh, and that's a petrify stab

Invis stab is 44.05 for the dagger and 37.07 for the whip

Could you please elaborate how you got the numbers?

Saturday, 15th June 2013, 16:36 by Siegurt

Well, I have a spreadsheet that I wrote from the source, that I plugged your data into.

But mostly the spreadsheet goes like this:

Figure out the average "attack" damage of the weapon, This is based on fighting, skills, weapon enchantment, slaying, and stats (Stats comprise a very small amount of this value (Typically < 1%) , and for the purposes of stabbing I just kinda fudge it because it was too much work to put in the spreadsheet)

The spreadsheet has a couple fill-in values for how the various bonus values are calculated, and totals them up, the dagger bonus based on your stabbing skill, the percentage values for each of the tiers, and the type of stabbing being done all figure into how much stabbing damage is done.

The percentages are multiplied by the average base damage and the result is what you see.

The whole thing is pretty long and complicated and I really don't want to go through each step of the spreadsheet in prose form, even if I am sitting around on a Saturday afternoon

Saturday, 15th June 2013, 16:43 by Siegurt

The spreadsheet's in here:

https://drive.google.com/folderview?id= ... sp=sharing

Feel free to copy it and check out all the math if you're so inclined

Saturday, 15th June 2013, 17:34 by Sandman25

I overestimated Deflect Missiles. I got hit several times but just thought that I was unlucky. I guess I should have trained more dodging. Once again I realized how important is rF+ and rC+. I could have rC+ instead of rPois but it would not help to avoid the death from flaming bolts.
I liked LRD, it is funny spell. I was not impressed by Iron Shot, it missed too often (maybe I had to train more Conjuration for it).
Stone Skin is useful spell but I felt lazy to cast it before this "easy" fight, I really expected the Yaktaur to die to LRD. Path to upstairs was blocked by another Yaktaur

I explored dungeron because Vaults was too dangerous.

Code:: Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.12.2 (tiles) character file. 183592 DrEE the Earth Mage (level 18, -18/129 HPs) Began as a Pale Draconian Earth Elementalist on June 14, 2013. Was a High Priest of Ashenzari. Shot with a bolt of flame by a yaktaur captain (23 damage) ... on Level 20 of the Dungeon on June 15, 2013. The game lasted 08:20:49 (62335 turns). DrEE the Earth Mage (DrEE) Turns: 62335, Time: 08:20:49 HP -18/129 AC 18 Str 12 XL: 18 Next: 4% MP 12/36 EV 17 Int 23 God: Ashenzari [*****.] Gold 1950 SH 11 Dex 12 Spells: 11 memorised, 3 levels left Res.Fire : . . . See Invis. : + w - +2 dagger (protect) {!f} Res.Cold : . . . Warding : . (armour unavailable) Life Prot.: . . . Conserve : . p - +0 orc buckler (curse) Res.Poison: + Res.Corr. : . (helmet restricted) Res.Elec. : . Clarity : + S - +0 cloak (curse) Sust.Abil.: . . Spirit.Shd : . j - +0 pair of elf gloves (curse) Res.Mut. : . Stasis : . n - +0 pair of orc boots (curse) Res.Rott. : . Ctrl.Telep.: . L - cursed amulet of the gourmand Gourmand : + Flight : . m - cursed ring of poison resistance a - cursed ring "Liurghad" {+Inv +Fly Stlth++} @: deflect missiles, invisible, very slightly contaminated, somewhat resistant to hostile enchantments, very stealthy A: breathe steam, unfitting armour, AC +10, Dex +1 a: Breathe Steam, Scrying, Transfer Knowledge, Renounce Religion, Evoke Flight You were on level 20 of the Dungeon. You worshipped Ashenzari. Ashenzari was exalted by your worship. You were full. You visited 5 branches of the dungeon, and saw 35 of its levels. You collected 3267 gold pieces. You spent 1337 gold pieces at shops. Inventory: Hand weapons f - the +9,+6 crossbow of Blood-Lust {venom, +Inv MR} (You found it on level 13 of the Dungeon) It poisons the ammo it fires. It affects your resistance to hostile enchantments. It lets you turn invisible. t - a +0 blowgun u - a +0,+5 sabre of holy wrath w - a +2,+2 dagger of protection (weapon) {!f} E - a +3,+4 orcish dagger of draining I - a +3,+0 dagger of speed M - a +4,+4 elven dagger of electrocution V - a +6,+8 demon whip of pain Missiles h - 58 poisoned needles q - 8 needles of frenzy x - 3 curare-tipped needles Y - 3 javelins (quivered) Armour j - a cursed +0 pair of elven gloves (worn) n - a cursed +0 pair of orcish boots (worn) p - a cursed +0 orcish buckler (worn) S - a cursed +0 cloak (worn) Magical devices b - a wand of fireball (3) c - a wand of digging (11) d - a wand of enslavement (6) e - a wand of teleportation (4) l - a wand of disintegration (10) r - a wand of invisibility (5) v - a wand of confusion (3) B - a wand of paralysis (11) C - a wand of draining (4) F - a wand of paralysis (3) G - a wand of magic darts (14) H - a wand of disintegration (3) K - a wand of polymorph (3) Q - a wand of fire (1) Comestibles i - 3 slices of pizza o - a meat ration s - an apple Scrolls g - a scroll of teleportation P - a scroll of magic mapping Jewellery a - the cursed ring "Liurghad" (left hand) {+Inv +Fly Stlth++} (You bought it in a shop on level 13 of the Dungeon) [ring of flight] It lets you turn invisible. It makes you much more stealthy. It has a curse placed upon it. m - a cursed ring of poison resistance (right hand) L - a cursed amulet of the gourmand (around neck) Potions D - a potion of curing T - a potion of resistance Books k - a book of Power Spells Type Level Iskenderun's Mystic Blast Conjuration 4 Venom Bolt Conjuration/Poison 5 Bolt of Magma Conjuration/Fire/Earth 5 Poisonous Cloud Conjuration/Poison/Air 6 *Iron Shot Conjuration/Earth 6 Orb of Destruction Conjuration 7 J - a manual of Staves Skills: - Level 5,0 Fighting - Level 10,1 Short Blades - Level 12,0 Maces & Flails - Level 8,1(10,7) Dodging - Level 4,7(7,3) Stealth - Level 11,6 Stabbing - Level 4,1(6,6) Shields - Level 6,2 Traps + Level 12,8 Spellcasting - Level 5,3(9,3) Conjurations + Level 10,7(14,4) Charms - Level 7,3(11,3) Transmutations - Level 4,2(8,0) Air Magic - Level 15,8(19,2) Earth Magic - Level 4,7(8,6) Evocations You had 3 spell levels left. You knew the following spells: Your Spells Type Power Failure Level Hunger a - Sandblast Erth ####### 0% 1 None b - Stoneskin Trmt/Erth #######... 0% 2 None c - Passwall Trmt/Erth #######... 1% 3 None d - Stone Arrow Conj/Erth ####### 1% 3 None e - Petrify Trmt/Erth #######.. 1% 4 None f - Lee's Rapid Deconstr Erth ########.. 1% 5 ##..... h - Deflect Missiles Chrm/Air #######... 10% 6 #####.. i - Swiftness Chrm/Air #######... 1% 2 None l - Iron Shot Conj/Erth #######... 1% 6 #####.. H - Haste Chrm #######.. 1% 6 #####.. P - Summon Butterflies Summ ###...... 4% 1 None Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations Branches: Dungeon (20/27) Temple (1/1) D:5 Orc (4/4) D:11 Elf (0/3) Orc:3 Lair (8/8) D:9 Shoals (0/5) Lair:5 Spider (0/5) Lair:6 Vaults (2/5) D:19 Slime: Lair:6-8 Crypt: Vaults:2-3 Altars: Ashenzari Cheibriados Elyvilon Fedhas Kikubaaqudgha Makhleb Nemelex Xobeh Okawaru Sif Muna Trog Vehumet Xom Yredelemnul Zin the Shining One Beogh Shops: D:5: ? D:8: ( D:9: / D:11: [ D:12: * D:13: = D:15: ? D:20: * Portals: Ziggurat: D:6 (5170 gp) Trove: D:17 (give +5,+5 demon whip) Annotations D:6 exclusions: centaur and downstairs, Sigmund D:7 exclusion: downstairs D:8 exclusion: downstairs D:10 exclusion: downstairs D:17 exclusion: 2 downstairs, Snorg D:19 exclusion: 2 upstairs Orc:2 exclusions: 2 downstairs and upstairs Orc:4 Saint Roka Lair:3 exclusion: 2 downstairs Lair:4 exclusion: 2 downstairs Lair:6 exclusion: 2 downstairs Lair:7 exclusion: downstairs Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations You can breathe blasts of scalding steam. Your pale cyan-grey scales are hard (AC +10). Your body does not fit into most forms of armour. Your cold-blooded metabolism reacts poorly to cold. You are agile (Dex +1). Message History Damage: -1%(-2hp) hp: 79%(101hp) You hit the stone giant zombie. You hit the stone giant zombie. You tail-slap the stone giant zombie, but do no damage. The stone giant zombie hits you but does no damage. You hit the stone giant zombie. You tail-slap the stone giant zombie, but do no damage. You whack the stone giant zombie! You destroy the stone giant zombie! There is a stone staircase leading up here. You feel protected! w - a +2,+2 dagger of protection (weapon) {!f} Found a bread ration. A yaktaur captain comes into view. You feel very safe from missiles. An electric eel comes into view. The yaktaur captain shouts! The yaktaur captain wields a runed crossbow. It bursts into flame! The yaktaur captain shoots a bolt of flame. You deflect the bolt of flame! The yaktaur captain shoots a bolt of flame. The bolt of flame misses you. The yaktaur captain shoots a bolt of flame. The bolt of flame hits you! You see here a bolt. You see here 2 bolts. The yaktaur captain shoots a bolt of flame. You deflect the bolt of flame! You see here a bolt. The yaktaur captain picks up a bolt. Casting: Deflect Missiles Confirm with . or Enter, or press ? or * to list all spells. Aiming: Stone Arrow Press: ? - help, Shift-Dir - straight line, f - yaktaur captain Aim: a yaktaur captain, wielding a glowing crossbow (hasn't noticed you) The stone arrow hits the yaktaur captain. The yaktaur captain is moderately wounded. The boulder beetle curls into a ball and starts rolling! Casting: Stone Arrow Confirm with . or Enter, or press ? or * to list all spells. Aiming: Stone Arrow Press: ? - help, Shift-Dir - straight line, f/p - yaktaur captain Aim: a yaktaur captain, wielding a glowing crossbow (moderately wounded) The stone arrow hits the yaktaur captain. The yaktaur captain is moderately wounded. The yaktaur captain shoots a bolt. The bolt hits you! Damage: -3%(-4hp) hp: 85%(109hp) Casting: Stone Arrow Confirm with . or Enter, or press ? or * to list all spells. Aiming: Stone Arrow Press: ? - help, Shift-Dir - straight line, f/p - yaktaur captain Aim: a yaktaur captain, wielding a glowing crossbow (moderately wounded) The stone arrow hits the yaktaur captain. The yaktaur captain is heavily wounded. The yaktaur captain shoots a bolt. The bolt hits you! The yaktaur captain shoots a bolt of flame. The bolt of flame hits you! Huge Dmg: -26%(-34hp) hp: 59%(75hp) Casting: Stone Arrow Confirm with . or Enter, or press ? or * to list all spells. Aiming: Stone Arrow Press: ? - help, Shift-Dir - straight line, f/p - yaktaur captain Aim: a yaktaur captain, wielding a glowing crossbow (heavily wounded) The stone arrow hits the yaktaur captain. The yaktaur captain is severely wounded. The yaktaur captain shoots a bolt. You deflect the bolt! The yaktaur captain shoots a bolt of flame. The bolt of flame hits you! * * * LOW HITPOINT WARNING * * * Huge Dmg: -15%(-19hp) hp: 44%(56hp) Aiming: Lee's Rapid Deconstruction Press: ? - help, Dir - move target cursor, p - yaktaur captain The wall shatters! The blast of rock fragments hits the yaktaur captain. The yaktaur captain is moderately wounded. The yaktaur captain shoots a bolt of flame. The bolt of flame hits you! Your scroll of summoning catches fire! * * * LOW HITPOINT WARNING * * * Huge Dmg: -13%(-17hp) hp: 31%(39hp) Aiming: Lee's Rapid Deconstruction Press: ? - help, Dir - move target cursor The wall shatters! The blast of rock fragments hits the yaktaur captain. The yaktaur captain is heavily wounded. The yaktaur captain shoots a bolt. You deflect the bolt! The boulder beetle smashes into you! * * * LOW HITPOINT WARNING * * * The boulder beetle stops rolling. The yaktaur captain shoots a bolt of flame. You deflect the bolt of flame! Huge Dmg: -12%(-15hp) hp: 19%(24hp) Zapping: r - a wand of invisibility (6) Press: ? - help, Shift-Dir - straight line, f - you You fade into invisibility! You are very lightly contaminated with residual magic. This wand has 5 charges left. The yaktaur captain shoots a bolt. The bolt hits you! * * * LOW HITPOINT WARNING * * * The yaktaur captain shoots a bolt of flame. The bolt of flame hits you! 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Vanquished Creatures Agnes (Vaults:1) Frances (D:17) Donald (Orc:3) A stone giant (Vaults:2) A vault warden (Vaults:2) A fire giant (Vaults:1) Jorgrun (Vaults:1) 2 minotaurs (D:16) 4 vault guards 2 dragons A siren (shapeshifter) (D:15) 11 hydras An ice dragon (Vaults:1) Fannar (Orc:4) 2 ironheart preservers Erica (Orc:3) A dancing weapon (D:19) A deep troll shaman (Vaults:1) 3 ogre magi A fire giant zombie (Vaults:1) A rakshasa (D:17) 20 death yaks 4 stone giant zombies An orc high priest (Orc:3) A deep troll (Vaults:1) Urug (D:10) Nergalle (Orc:3) A frost giant skeleton (D:19) 4 catoblepae A skeletal warrior (D:17) 4 stone giant skeletons A deep elf knight (D:19) 13 centaur warriors 4 unseen horrors A redback zombie (D:20) A flayed ghost (Vaults:1) 9 orc knights 3 harpies (shapeshifter) A giant amoeba (D:19) Pikel (D:9) A necromancer (D:20) A harpy (Vaults:1) 8 hill giants 3 spiny worms 6 griffons A hydra zombie (D:15) 2 vault sentinels (Vaults:1) A wolf spider (Lair:7) A red wasp (shapeshifter) (D:19) 8 cyclopes 3 orc sorcerers A harpy skeleton (D:17) Maurice (D:11) A guardian serpent zombie (D:14) 4 black mambas 2 elephant slugs A griffon zombie (D:14) 2 red wasp zombies An orange demon (D:16) 41 slime creatures An item mimic (Lair:7) 2 hill giant zombies 11 elephants A griffon skeleton (D:19) 8 spiny frogs 16 yaktaurs 49 ugly things 9 trolls Grinder (D:6) 4 hill giant skeletons 8 komodo dragons A spriggan (D:7) 9 two-headed ogres 17 blink frogs A red wasp simulacrum (Vaults:1) A giant firefly (shapeshifter) (Vaults:1) A grizzly bear (shapeshifter) (D:13) A wraith (D:19) 4 basilisks 9 wyverns 2 vampires 8 sharks 5 hungry ghosts 9 war dogs A trapdoor spider (D:13) 72 yaks Grum (D:11) 3 fire drakes 2 fire crab zombies A yaktaur zombie (D:19) 2 rock worms 10 hippogriffs 2 redbacks (Lair:5) A deep elf fighter (D:19) 8 vampire mosquitoes A rock worm (shapeshifter) (D:13) 2 manticores 2 mottled dragons A wyvern zombie (D:12) A giant slug zombie (D:15) 31 orc warriors 2 cyclops zombies 2 boulder beetles A necrophage (D:13) 5 soldier ants A hippogriff zombie (D:6) 3 phantoms (D:8) 3 ice beasts A yellow wasp (D:12) 2 freezing wraiths (D:19) A cyclops skeleton (D:15) 2 boulder beetle zombies 17 ogres 4 boring beetles 6 sky beasts 21 centaurs A troll zombie (D:15) A rotting devil (D:17) An ice beast (shapeshifter) (D:15) 2 yak zombies 3 wargs A yellow wasp zombie (D:6) 7 giant slugs 14 crocodiles A yaktaur simulacrum (Vaults:1) A brain worm (D:19) 7 big kobolds 2 giant frog skeletons (D:7) 7 water moccasins A cyclops simulacrum (D:14) 7 agate snails 30 giant frogs Blork the orc (D:8) 21 giant goldfish A basilisk zombie (D:11) 2 eyes of draining (D:13) A two-headed ogre skeleton (D:11) 5 killer bees (D:11) A jellyfish (D:20) 2 killer bee zombies 2 wights (D:9) A crocodile zombie (D:9) 2 goliath beetles 2 quasits A mottled dragon zombie (D:11) A big fish (shapeshifter) (D:19) A big kobold skeleton (D:13) 2 mottled dragon skeletons 6 crimson imps 8 hounds 27 orc priests 4 scorpions 3 shadows 8 big fish A hound zombie (D:10) 11 iguanas 7 worker ants 44 orc wizards 5 porcupines 2 spectral orcs (Orc:2) 18 sheep Jessica (D:3) 4 jellies A goliath beetle zombie (D:5) 17 gnolls 26 adders 6 giant centipedes 30 green rats 4 giant mites 4 worms 6 giant geckos 2 oozes 194 orcs 2 ball pythons (D:2) 14 hobgoblins 3 humans (D:6) 12 jackals 36 kobolds 11 quokkas 18 bats 10 giant cockroaches 12 giant newts 14 goblins An illusory rakshasa (D:17) An orc skeleton (D:5) 23 rats 20 ballistomycetes A plant (Lair:4) 1339 creatures vanquished. Vanquished Creatures (others) A yak (D:16) 2 centaurs (D:15) 4 slaves (D:9) A giant frog (D:15) 2 wights (D:9) An orc wizard (D:19) 4 orcs 5 giant spores 3 goblins A kobold (D:1) 2 rats 4 ballistomycetes 6 fungi 18 plants 54 creatures vanquished. Grand Total: 1393 creatures vanquished Notes Turn | Place | Note -------------------------------------------------------------- 0 | D:1 | DrEE, the Draconian Earth Elementalist, began the quest for the Orb. 0 | D:1 | Reached XP level 1. HP: 14/14 MP: 3/3 63 | D:1 | Huge Dmg: 2 dmg 532 | D:1 | Reached XP level 2. HP: 18/20 MP: 4/4 536 | D:1 | Learned a level 2 spell: Stoneskin 1264 | D:1 | Reached XP level 3. HP: 22/26 MP: 6/6 1371 | D:2 | Found a sparkling altar of Nemelex Xobeh. 1696 | D:2 | Reached skill level 4 in Earth Magic 2228 | D:2 | Found a blossoming altar of Fedhas. 2532 | D:2 | Reached XP level 4. HP: 31/33 MP: 5/8 2884 | D:3 | Noticed Jessica 2891 | D:3 | Killed Jessica 3045 | D:3 | Reached skill level 5 in Earth Magic 3045 | D:3 | Reached XP level 5. HP: 38/38 MP: 5/10 3607 | D:4 | Noticed an ogre 3618 | D:4 | Killed an ogre 3781 | D:4 | Reached XP level 6. HP: 45/45 MP: 9/12 4217 | D:5 | Entered Level 5 of the Dungeon 4286 | D:5 | Huge Dmg: 15 dmg 4313 | D:5 | Huge Dmg: 10 dmg 4493 | D:5 | Reached skill level 6 in Earth Magic 4512 | D:5 | Found Mita's Magic Scroll Shoppe. 4523 | D:5 | Bought a scroll of fear for 38 gold pieces 4523 | D:5 | Bought a scroll of enchant weapon I for 60 gold pieces 4523 | D:5 | Bought a scroll of curse jewellery for 22 gold pieces 4523 | D:5 | Bought a scroll of recharging for 60 gold pieces 4582 | D:5 | Found a staircase to the Ecumenical Temple. 4647 | Temple | Entered the Ecumenical Temple 4675 | Temple | Became a worshipper of Ashenzari the Shackled 4709 | Temple | Learned a level 3 spell: Passwall 4713 | Temple | Learned a level 3 spell: Stone Arrow 4780 | D:5 | Reached skill level 1 in Conjurations 5120 | D:5 | Huge Dmg: 6 dmg 5123 | D:5 | Huge Dmg: 4 dmg 5278 | D:6 | Your scales start fading to a pale cyan-grey colour. 5278 | D:6 | Reached XP level 7. HP: 34/50 MP: 0/15 5284 | D:6 | Learned a level 4 spell: Petrify 5419 | D:6 | Noticed a human 5752 | D:6 | Noticed a human 5756 | D:6 | Huge Dmg: 17 dmg 5819 | D:6 | Noticed Sigmund 5947 | D:6 | Huge Dmg: 13 dmg 5953 | D:6 | Huge Dmg: 11 dmg 5956 | D:6 | Huge Dmg: 7 dmg 5970 | D:6 | Huge Dmg: 7 dmg 6241 | D:6 | Found a gateway to a ziggurat. 6263 | D:6 | Noticed Grinder 6266 | D:6 | Paralysed by Grinder for 5 turns 6278 | D:6 | Huge Dmg: 10 dmg 6279 | D:6 | Killed Grinder 6404 | D:6 | Reached skill level 1 in Stabbing 6404 | D:6 | Reached XP level 8. HP: 42/57 MP: 7/17 6534 | D:7 | Found a shimmering altar of Xom. 6832 | D:7 | Noticed a spriggan baker 6848 | D:7 | Huge Dmg: 12 dmg 6850 | D:7 | Killed a spriggan baker 6850 | D:7 | Reached skill level 5 in Transmutations 7517 | D:7 | Huge Dmg: 34 dmg 7518 | D:7 | Reached skill level 5 in Stabbing 7630 | D:7 | Reached XP level 9. HP: 47/62 MP: 7/18 7688 | D:7 | Found a bloodstained altar of Trog. 7945 | D:7 | Reached skill level 1 in Short Blades 8137 | D:8 | Found Gounol's Antique Weapon Shoppe. 8509 | D:8 | Huge Dmg: 16 dmg 8857 | D:8 | Found an ancient bone altar of Kikubaaqudgha. 8990 | D:8 | Bought a glowing sabre for 84 gold pieces 9152 | D:8 | Noticed Blork the orc 9262 | D:8 | Huge Dmg: 18 dmg 9442 | D:8 | Huge Dmg: 12 dmg 9442 | D:8 | Reached skill level 7 in Earth Magic 9490 | D:8 | Killed Blork the orc 9992 | D:8 | Reached skill level 8 in Earth Magic 10372 | D:9 | Found a staircase to the Lair. 10420 | D:9 | Reached skill level 1 in Shields 10531 | D:9 | Reached skill level 9 in Earth Magic 10531 | D:9 | Reached XP level 10. HP: 69/69 MP: 4/19 11005 | D:9 | Found a glowing golden altar of the Shining One. 11302 | D:9 | Found Igahauj's Magical Wand Emporium. 11314 | D:9 | Bought a wand of invisibility (2) for 90 gold pieces 11330 | D:9 | Noticed Pikel 11339 | D:9 | Killed Pikel 11339 | D:9 | Reached skill level 10 in Earth Magic 11460 | D:9 | Huge Dmg: 14 dmg 11619 | D:9 | Found a roughly hewn altar of Beogh. 11869 | D:9 | Huge Dmg: 15 dmg 11985 | D:9 | Paralysed by you for 6 turns 12041 | D:9 | Found a white marble altar of Elyvilon. 12075 | D:9 | Huge Dmg: 17 dmg 12076 | D:9 | Reached skill level 11 in Earth Magic 12515 | Lair:1 | Entered Level 1 of the Lair of Beasts 12873 | Lair:1 | Learned a level 5 spell: Lee's Rapid Deconstruction 13109 | Lair:1 | Reached skill level 5 in Spellcasting 14621 | Lair:2 | Huge Dmg: 17 dmg 14850 | Lair:2 | Huge Dmg: 17 dmg 14856 | Lair:2 | Reached XP level 11. HP: 35/74 MP: 3/23 15065 | Lair:2 | Gained mutation: You are agile (Dex +1). [potion of gain dexterity] 16441 | Lair:3 | Reached skill level 12 in Earth Magic 16991 | Lair:3 | Huge Dmg: 14 dmg 17291 | Lair:3 | Reached skill level 5 in Traps 17470 | Lair:3 | Huge Dmg: 18 dmg 18351 | Lair:4 | Huge Dmg: 36 dmg 18726 | Lair:4 | Reached skill level 5 in Dodging 19393 | Lair:4 | Noticed a death yak 19394 | Lair:4 | Noticed a death yak 19395 | Lair:4 | Noticed a death yak 19422 | Lair:4 | Huge Dmg: 20 dmg 19424 | Lair:4 | Noticed a death yak 19424 | Lair:4 | Killed a death yak 19606 | Lair:4 | Huge Dmg: 19 dmg 19607 | Lair:4 | Killed a death yak 19607 | Lair:4 | Reached skill level 13 in Earth Magic 19607 | Lair:4 | Reached XP level 12. HP: 54/81 MP: 5/27 19753 | Lair:5 | Acquired Ashenzari's first power 19801 | Lair:4 | Identified an uncursed rod of the swarm {!a} (You found it on level 1 of the Lair of Beasts) 19817 | Lair:4 | Huge Dmg: 24 dmg 19818 | Lair:4 | Killed a death yak 19945 | Lair:4 | Killed a death yak 20908 | Lair:4 | Reached skill level 14 in Earth Magic 21371 | Lair:5 | Found a staircase to the Shoals. 21746 | Lair:5 | Huge Dmg: 23 dmg 22154 | Lair:5 | Huge Dmg: 15 dmg 22157 | Lair:5 | Huge Dmg: 12 dmg 22927 | Lair:5 | Reached skill level 5 in Short Blades 23290 | Lair:6 | Noticed a seven-headed hydra 23315 | Lair:6 | Huge Dmg: 18 dmg 23316 | Lair:6 | Huge Dmg: 30 dmg 23316 | Lair:6 | Killed a seven-headed hydra 23804 | Lair:6 | Acquired Ashenzari's second power 24191 | Lair:6 | Found a hole to the Spider Nest. 24480 | Lair:7 | Reached skill level 10 in Stabbing 24491 | Lair:7 | Noticed a death yak 24492 | Lair:7 | Noticed a death yak 25032 | Lair:7 | Noticed a five-headed hydra 25044 | Lair:7 | Killed a five-headed hydra 25206 | Lair:7 | Reached XP level 13. HP: 86/86 MP: 18/29 25223 | Lair:7 | Huge Dmg: 31 dmg 25555 | Lair:7 | Noticed a four-headed hydra 25627 | Lair:7 | Killed a four-headed hydra 25814 | Lair:7 | Noticed a death yak 25845 | Lair:7 | Killed a death yak 25984 | Lair:7 | Killed a death yak 26091 | Lair:7 | Killed a death yak 26195 | Lair:7 | Noticed a death yak 26197 | Lair:7 | Noticed a death yak 26200 | Lair:7 | Noticed a death yak 26204 | Lair:6 | Reached skill level 1 in Fighting 26294 | Lair:7 | Noticed a four-headed hydra 26304 | Lair:7 | Killed a four-headed hydra 26388 | Lair:8 | Entered Level 8 of the Lair of Beasts 26566 | Lair:7 | Killed a death yak 26651 | Lair:7 | Killed a death yak 27438 | Lair:8 | Acquired Ashenzari's third power 27703 | Lair:8 | Huge Dmg: 18 dmg 28575 | Lair:8 | Noticed a six-headed hydra 28645 | Lair:8 | Huge Dmg: 20 dmg 28863 | Lair:8 | Huge Dmg: 20 dmg 28863 | Lair:8 | Reached skill level 1 in Evocations 28974 | Lair:8 | Huge Dmg: 16 dmg 29055 | Lair:8 | Huge Dmg: 22 dmg 29057 | Lair:8 | Huge Dmg: 12 dmg 29548 | Lair:8 | Reached skill level 10 in Spellcasting 30076 | Lair:8 | Huge Dmg: 21 dmg 30079 | Lair:8 | Reached skill level 5 in Conjurations 30079 | Lair:8 | Reached skill level 15 in Earth Magic 30331 | Lair:8 | Huge Dmg: 24 dmg 30332 | Lair:8 | Huge Dmg: 17 dmg 30558 | Lair:7 | Huge Dmg: 27 dmg 30813 | Lair:8 | Killed a six-headed hydra 30813 | Lair:8 | Reached XP level 14. HP: 101/101 MP: 18/31 30973 | Lair:8 | Got the cursed cloak of Gheijeha {SInv} 30976 | Lair:8 | Identified the cursed -2 cloak of Gheijeha {SInv} (You found it on level 8 of the Lair of Beasts) 31332 | D:10 | Entered Level 10 of the Dungeon 32192 | D:11 | Noticed Urug 32232 | D:10 | Killed Urug 32483 | D:11 | Found a staircase to the Orcish Mines. 32483 | D:11 | Found Prahicw's Armour Emporium. 32590 | D:11 | Bought a cursed +0 cloak for 33 gold pieces 33481 | D:11 | Noticed Maurice 33532 | D:11 | Killed Maurice 33657 | D:11 | Noticed Grum 33717 | D:11 | Killed Grum 34135 | Orc:1 | Entered Level 1 of the Orcish Mines 34494 | Orc:1 | Acquired Ashenzari's fourth power 35001 | Orc:3 | Noticed Erica 35648 | Orc:2 | Huge Dmg: 46 dmg 36054 | Orc:3 | Noticed Nergalle 36505 | Orc:3 | Killed Erica 36514 | Orc:3 | Noticed Donald 36521 | Orc:3 | Killed Donald 36619 | Orc:3 | Found a staircase to the Elven Halls. 37014 | Orc:3 | Killed Nergalle 37369 | Orc:4 | Entered Level 4 of the Orcish Mines 37373 | Orc:4 | Huge Dmg: 21 dmg 37379 | Orc:3 | Huge Dmg: 38 dmg 37790 | Orc:4 | Huge Dmg: 38 dmg 37961 | Orc:4 | Huge Dmg: 20 dmg 38091 | Orc:4 | Noticed Fannar 38101 | Orc:4 | Huge Dmg: 24 dmg 38105 | Orc:4 | Killed Fannar 38754 | Orc:4 | Noticed Saint Roka 39091 | D:12 | Learned a level 3 spell: Spider Form 39252 | D:12 | Found Wuxan's Assorted Antiques. 39260 | D:12 | Bought a scroll of blinking for 159 gold pieces 40244 | D:12 | Huge Dmg: 37 dmg 40247 | D:12 | Huge Dmg: 13 dmg 40248 | D:12 | Huge Dmg: 29 dmg 41378 | D:5 | Reached skill level 1 in Maces & Flails 41439 | D:5 | Bought a scroll of enchant weapon II for 60 gold pieces 41691 | D:13 | Found Emia's Jewellery Shoppe. 41693 | D:13 | Bought the ring "Liurghad" {+Inv +Fly Stlth++} for 731 gold pieces 42178 | D:13 | Got the crossbow of Blood-Lust {venom, +Inv MR} 42295 | D:13 | Found a blossoming altar of Fedhas. 42997 | D:13 | Reached XP level 15. HP: 103/107 MP: 2/33 43464 | D:13 | Reached skill level 5 in Maces & Flails 44097 | D:14 | Entered Level 14 of the Dungeon 44973 | D:14 | Huge Dmg: 26 dmg 45177 | D:14 | Identified the ring of Koeruqi Nuzy {Wiz Dex+3 Int+3} 45583 | D:15 | Entered Level 15 of the Dungeon 45790 | D:15 | Found Gregruja's Magic Scroll Shop. 45792 | D:15 | Huge Dmg: 44 dmg 45793 | D:15 | Huge Dmg: 26 dmg 46422 | D:15 | Huge Dmg: 30 dmg 46857 | D:15 | Huge Dmg: 23 dmg 47122 | D:15 | Reached skill level 10 in Maces & Flails 47324 | D:15 | Huge Dmg: 21 dmg 48148 | D:16 | Huge Dmg: 20 dmg 49047 | D:16 | Huge Dmg: 13 dmg 49050 | D:16 | Huge Dmg: 24 dmg 49515 | D:16 | Reached skill level 10 in Short Blades 49515 | D:16 | Reached XP level 16. HP: 114/114 MP: 32/34 49576 | D:16 | Got an antique book 49577 | D:16 | Identified the Compendium of Beguiling and Arcane Weapons (You found it on level 16 of the Dungeon) 49580 | D:16 | Learned a level 1 spell: Summon Butterflies 49941 | D:17 | Noticed Snorg 49946 | D:17 | Noticed Frances 49960 | D:17 | Huge Dmg: 28 dmg 49962 | D:17 | Huge Dmg: 21 dmg 49964 | D:17 | Killed Frances 50198 | D:17 | Huge Dmg: 24 dmg 50641 | D:17 | Huge Dmg: 26 dmg 50787 | D:17 | Huge Dmg: 29 dmg 51024 | D:17 | Found a portal to a secret trove of treasure. 51219 | D:17 | Reached skill level 5 in Fighting 51229 | D:17 | Huge Dmg: 23 dmg 51498 | Lair:2 | Learned a level 6 spell: Deflect Missiles 51505 | Lair:2 | Learned a level 6 spell: Haste 51663 | D:17 | Reached skill level 1 in Charms 52156 | D:18 | Found a shimmering altar of Xom. 52164 | D:18 | Found a shimmering altar of Xom. 52165 | D:18 | Found a shimmering altar of Xom. 52166 | D:18 | Found a shimmering altar of Xom. 52287 | D:18 | Huge Dmg: 26 dmg 52389 | D:18 | Reached skill level 5 in Charms 52748 | D:18 | Noticed Mara 52756 | D:18 | Noticed DrEE's illusion 53256 | D:18 | Huge Dmg: 43 dmg 53258 | D:18 | Huge Dmg: 16 dmg 54007 | D:18 | Noticed Mara 54007 | D:18 | Noticed Mara 54509 | D:19 | Huge Dmg: 14 dmg 55029 | D:19 | Reached XP level 17. HP: 116/122 MP: 5/35 55238 | D:19 | Found a staircase to the Vaults. 55247 | D:19 | Reached skill level 1 in Air Magic 55434 | Vaults:1 | Entered Level 1 of the Vaults 55783 | D:19 | Huge Dmg: 22 dmg 55795 | D:19 | Huge Dmg: 26 dmg 56076 | D:19 | Huge Dmg: 26 dmg 56115 | Vaults:1 | Huge Dmg: 24 dmg 56605 | Vaults:1 | Huge Dmg: 43 dmg 56607 | Vaults:1 | Huge Dmg: 38 dmg 56617 | D:19 | Huge Dmg: 12 dmg 56950 | D:19 | Huge Dmg: 33 dmg 56963 | D:19 | Huge Dmg: 19 dmg 56965 | D:19 | Huge Dmg: 15 dmg 56968 | D:19 | Huge Dmg: 15 dmg 57850 | Vaults:1 | Noticed Agnes 57859 | Vaults:1 | Huge Dmg: 46 dmg 57862 | Vaults:1 | Huge Dmg: 13 dmg 57865 | Vaults:1 | Huge Dmg: 24 dmg 57866 | Vaults:1 | Killed Agnes 58256 | Vaults:1 | Huge Dmg: 26 dmg 58566 | Vaults:1 | Learned a level 2 spell: Swiftness 58852 | Vaults:1 | Noticed Jorgrun 58865 | Vaults:1 | Killed Jorgrun 59199 | D:12 | Learned a level 6 spell: Iron Shot 60093 | Vaults:1 | Reached skill level 10 in Charms 60557 | Vaults:2 | Huge Dmg: 34 dmg 60559 | Vaults:2 | Huge Dmg: 27 dmg 61649 | D:20 | Entered Level 20 of the Dungeon 61678 | D:20 | Huge Dmg: 29 dmg 61679 | D:20 | Huge Dmg: 27 dmg 61958 | D:20 | Found Saigg's Assorted Antiques. 61967 | D:20 | Reached XP level 18. HP: 125/129 MP: 17/36 61995 | D:19 | Huge Dmg: 19 dmg 62332 | D:20 | Huge Dmg: 34 dmg 62333 | D:20 | Huge Dmg: 19 dmg 62334 | D:20 | Huge Dmg: 17 dmg 62335 | D:20 | Huge Dmg: 15 dmg 62335 | D:20 | HP: 5/129 [yaktaur captain/ bolt (19)] 62335 | D:20 | Shot with a bolt of flame by a yaktaur captain Action | 1- 3 | 4- 6 | 7- 9 | 10-12 | 13-15 | 16-18 || total -------------------------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------++------- Melee: Unarmed | 67 | 7 | | | | || 74 Dagger | 130 | 63 | 308 | 285 | 759 | 438 || 1983 Spear | | | 10 | | | || 10 Sabre | | | | | 27 | 37 || 64 Demon whip | | | | | 17 | 74 || 91 Fire: Blowgun | | | 11 | | 8 | 5 || 24 Throw: Dart | | 26 | 30 | 83 | 20 | || 159 Javelin | | | | 78 | 30 | 7 || 115 Stone | | | | 8 | | || 8 Cast: Sandblast | 44 | 91 | 43 | 157 | 55 | 1 || 391 Stone Arrow | | 14 | 126 | 596 | 857 | 333 || 1926 Stoneskin | | 3 | 4 | 8 | 70 | 18 || 103 Petrify | | | 20 | 5 | 22 | 2 || 49 Passwall | | | 2 | 5 | 51 | 4 || 62 Lee's Rapid Decon | | | | | 82 | 113 || 195 Haste | | | | | | 10 || 10 Summon Butterflie | | | | | | 1 || 1 Iron Shot | | | | | | 27 || 27 Deflect Missiles | | | | | | 12 || 12 Invok: Scrying | | | | | 1 | 1 || 2 Abil: Breathe Steam | | | | 1 | 6 | 3 || 10 Evoke Invisibilit | | | | | 15 | 20 || 35 Turn Visible | | | | | 3 | 15 || 18 Evoke: Wand | | | 2 | 22 | 11 | 13 || 48 Miscellaneous | | | | | | 1 || 1 Use: Scroll | | 15 | 9 | 13 | 35 | 11 || 83 Potion | | | 7 | 2 | 9 | 6 || 24 Stab: Sleeping | 4 | 1 | 1 | 6 | 83 | 52 || 147 Petrified | | | 16 | 3 | 26 | || 45 Petrifying | | | 4 | | | || 4 Paralysed | | | | 3 | | || 3 Invisible | | | | | 40 | 24 || 64 Distracted | | | | | 1 | 1 || 2 Vault maps used: D:1: dpeg_entry_prison, hangedman_decor_clover_reticule D:2: overflow_temple_1_default, nemelex_xobeh_ov_fountains_minmay, minmay_newt_pond D:3: uniq_jessica D:4: first_bread D:5: serial_shops, shop D:6: enter_shallow_ziggurat_d, minmay_ruffians, uniq_grinder, uniq_sigmund, uniq_eustachio D:7: overflow_temple_1_default, overflow_temple_1_default, the_bakery D:8: kiku_gazebo_pond_becter, serial_shops, shop, uniq_blork_the_orc D:9: overflow_temple_1_default, tso_oasis_becter, serial_shops, shop, david_lair_shrubbed, uniq_pikel D:10: trap_monster_doors_1 D:11: orc_david_3, uniq_grum, uniq_urug, uniq_maurice D:12: serial_shops, shop_statue D:13: serial_shops, shop, fedhas_altar_3 D:14: minmay_misc_feat_roman, minmay_misc_feat_ornament, minmay_hollow_rounded_squares D:15: infiniplex_staircase_squiggle, serial_shops, shop D:16: fort_yaktaur, serial_bayou_pond_a D:17: trove_entry_trowel, minivault_4, spider_trap, uniq_frances, uniq_snorg D:18: xom_redecorated, uniq_mara D:19: serial_glass, glass_columns_a, glass_columns_c, glass_columns_a, erik_vaults_1 D:20: minmay_misc_feat_diagonals, serial_shops, shop Temple: minmay_temple_bridge_a_8 Orc:2: abandoned_shop, minmay_goldmine Orc:3: uniq_erica, uniq_nergalle, uniq_donald Orc:4: grunt_orc_cross, uniq_fannar Lair:2: statuecave_lemuel Lair:5: ldierk_geyser, minmay_shoals_entry_sharks Lair:6: spider_nest_entry_web_field Lair:8: evilmike_catoblepas_cave, dpeg_slime_entry_enclosed_altar Vaults:1: hangedman_vaults_stream, v_pattern_1, vaults_room_fours, grunt_vaults_trifunnel, ontoclasm_vaults_ring_square, hangedman_vaults_maws, v_misc_16, ontoclasm_vaults_ring_small, vaults_room_guarded_vault, ontoclasm_vaults_chip, uniq_agnes, uniq_jorgrun Vaults:2: v_misc_18, hangedman_vaults_pinch, v_misc_31, hangedman_vaults_stitches, v_misc_3, vaults_mumra_hexcomb, v_misc_14, vaults_mumra_lcd, st_lines

Saturday, 15th June 2013, 19:07 by Siegurt

LRD and Iron shot are kind of complimentary, the things that are susceptible to one, you'll have a very difficult time using the other on (specifically Iron Shot's very evadable, but punches through armour, LRD's un-evadable, but it's damage is reduced a LOT from AC) LRD isn't effective on all types of critters, Iron shot can hit anything, LRD hits an area for damage, Iron shot hits one critter.

It takes a little knowledge to know when one's better than the other in which situation, but after a while it's second nature.

And yes your conjuration was holding iron shot back, as a result you had 25% more power in LRD than you did in iron shot, so I'm not surprised you felt like LRD was more effective, because it probably was

Saturday, 15th June 2013, 19:30 by Sandman25

Siegurt wrote:LRD and Iron shot are kind of complimentary, the things that are susceptible to one, you'll have a very difficult time using the other on (specifically Iron Shot's very evadable, but punches through armour, LRD's un-evadable, but it's damage is reduced a LOT from AC) LRD isn't effective on all types of critters, Iron shot can hit anything, LRD hits an area for damage, Iron shot hits one critter.

It takes a little knowledge to know when one's better than the other in which situation, but after a while it's second nature.

And yes your conjuration was holding iron shot back, as a result you had 25% more power in LRD than you did in iron shot, so I'm not surprised you felt like LRD was more effective, because it probably was

Yes, this is tricky. Earth Magic feels unique, it is very different from other schools. Shatter is the only level 9 spell which I have never cast so this is not my last EE for sure

Saturday, 15th June 2013, 19:41 by pickled_heretic

I played around with EE when I was on my spellcasting ogre binge, and found the school to be very unique but sandblast was so terrible compared to other first level elemental spells that I had to pass it up. Also air magic is so damnable useful it is hard to get far into earth. However the high level earth spells are cool and powerful enough to make me want to try a EE with better apts.

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Saturday, 15th June 2013, 20:24 by Siegurt

Sandblast with no stones wielded sucks, and is nearly useless outside D:1. With stones to fuel it, it keeps up with and even slightly exceeds most other level 1 spells (until you encounter something in chain/plate mail) If you wanna see something *really* fun, fueling your max-level sandblast with large rocks is a very amusing waste of large rocks (does more damage than your typical level 3-4 spell though)

I usually just fight melee on D:1-3 with my EE's unless I get an early large cache of stones, in a more common setup by the time I have enough stones to use sandblast regularly I've moved past it to higher level attack spells. Training some melee skills means I get rely a little less heavily on stone arrow too, which makes groups of critters much more survivable.

Saturday, 15th June 2013, 21:03 by Sandman25

I was saving my starting stones for later so I ended with barely using the spell at all.

Saturday, 15th June 2013, 21:20 by pickled_heretic

Yes. I noticed that sandblast can be fueled by large rocks and even used it a few times. Large rocks are worth their weight in gold to an ogre though so it is something I would never do again. On that note do you get something special with sticks to snakes and giant clubs?

Sunday, 16th June 2013, 00:12 by Siegurt

It increases the spell power of the spell so you are more likely to get better snakes, but no, nothing particularly special.

Sunday, 16th June 2013, 16:52 by rchandra

against many enemies sandblast does more damage than stone arrow at high power - I've had EEs choose to forget Stone arrow but still cast sandblast.

Sunday, 16th June 2013, 16:58 by Sandman25

rchandra wrote:against many enemies sandblast does more damage than stone arrow at high power - I've had EEs choose to forget Stone arrow but still cast sandblast.

Right, wiki says max damage for Stone Arrow is 3d11 while for Sandblast with stones it's 2d20 at the same spell power. My main concern with Sandblast is really limited range, it has range 1 if enemy is placed diagonally and range 2 for vertical/horizontal lines is not great either. So I believe it's best for hybrids while my DrEE was fragile pure caster.

Sunday, 16th June 2013, 17:01 by Sandman25

minmay wrote:sandblast has range 3 on straight lines if you wield stones (and if you don't wield stones then the damage is terrible and you shouldn't bother)

I am so "careful" player that I haven't noticed the range increase. Not sure which smile to use, let it be both

Monday, 17th June 2013, 19:53 by Sandman25

Sandblast is incredibly powerful with stones. I found Temple on D7 using Sandblast only (I dived to D4 though).

Tuesday, 18th June 2013, 00:17 by pickled_heretic

I gave it a second try with a SEEE (still on .12 and all that) and yeah it's okay, but sometimes you can't find any stones. I still couldn't switch to stone arrow fast enough. The range is a pain to use and it doesn't have any redeeming gimmicks like freeze and zap have or extended range with spellpower like Flame Tongue. And I CBA to know the exact AC of every monster I encounter either.

The triple AC reduction from LRD is not that big of a deal since it never misses... but sandblast has nothing special like that other than it takes reagents and has less range. Oh and it's a single school spell, but that's hardly a big deal for a level 1 spell.

Tuesday, 18th June 2013, 05:49 by Sandman25

pickled_heretic wrote:I gave it a second try with a SEEE (still on .12 and all that) and yeah it's okay, but sometimes you can't find any stones. I still couldn't switch to stone arrow fast enough. The range is a pain to use and it doesn't have any redeeming gimmicks like freeze and zap have or extended range with spellpower like Flame Tongue. And I CBA to know the exact AC of every monster I encounter either.

The triple AC reduction from LRD is not that big of a deal since it never misses... but sandblast has nothing special like that other than it takes reagents and has less range. Oh and it's a single school spell, but that's hardly a big deal for a level 1 spell.

Yes, I had to use device recharge twice before temple. First monsters on D1 are the hardest.

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