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Working group for new Tavern post rank titles

PostPosted: Saturday, 16th February 2013, 06:11
by Grimm
We need to overhaul the post rank titles - "Hive Hopper" especially, since it's a dead branch, but the rest could use some freshening up. I propose we have a title for every extant dungeon branch.

There's a public worksheet here. It shows the current post counts and titles on the left. Feel free to edit it and add your suggestions or comment on others'.

Re: Working group for new Tavern post rank titles

PostPosted: Saturday, 16th February 2013, 09:07
by TehDruid
I'm posting some ideas for forum titles there, not sure if I'm doing it right. Anyway, for example when I propose to change Dungeon Dipper to just Tourist. The Temple Tourist to just Pilgrim (not Temple Pilgrim). Not sure if any of you like the idea.

Also, I got a different idea, what if instead of branches we ranked people as specific monsters/Uniques? :P

Re: Working group for new Tavern post rank titles

PostPosted: Saturday, 16th February 2013, 17:12
by byrel
I resubmit "Swamp Slogger".

While originally a joke, it actually sounds alright to me.

Re: Working group for new Tavern post rank titles

PostPosted: Sunday, 17th February 2013, 05:29
by Grimm
It does sound good.

Thanks to whomever cleaned up the spreadsheet. 2700 should definitely be the top. Maybe the title for that should be "Allruner".

Shall we have all four branches of Hell as well? Vestibule?

Re: Working group for new Tavern post rank titles

PostPosted: Sunday, 17th February 2013, 05:34
by Davion Fuxa
Grimm wrote:It does sound good.

Thanks to whomever cleaned up the spreadsheet. 2700 should definitely be the top. Maybe the title for that should be "Allruner".

Shall we have all four branches of Hell as well? Vestibule?


I wouldn't bother with making a specific title for all those branches, something like Allrunner would be enough to cover Extended Aspects of the Game that aren't normally run.

Re: Working group for new Tavern post rank titles

PostPosted: Sunday, 17th February 2013, 06:17
by Grimm
Efficiency is not the goal here.

Re: Working group for new Tavern post rank titles

PostPosted: Sunday, 17th February 2013, 08:20
by TehDruid
Grimm wrote:Thanks to whomever cleaned up the spreadsheet...

That would be me. I added some colours here and there and changed the Orc/Lair/Elf/Slime/Abyss order. Also added the 1337 post requirement for Zot. :D
If we're going to add the Hell branches then it should be in this order, I think. (Ves -> Tar -> Dis -> Coc -> Geh).

Re: Working group for new Tavern post rank titles

PostPosted: Sunday, 17th February 2013, 13:47
by Galefury
I really like the current style, with the branches and alliteration.

Re: Working group for new Tavern post rank titles

PostPosted: Sunday, 17th February 2013, 17:08
by Grimm
Yeah, me too. Though I appreciate the uniques idea and just put in some funny ideas for it, I would prefer to stay with the branch titles. I want to put in the Hells too because 2700 posts is a lot. Currently only one person not otherwise titled is eligible for it.

Re: Working group for new Tavern post rank titles

PostPosted: Sunday, 17th February 2013, 17:42
by Grimm
All right I've got some good ones in there, alliteration and all. Check them out. Not sure on the post counts though.

Re: Working group for new Tavern post rank titles

PostPosted: Sunday, 17th February 2013, 20:01
by Grimm
Could someone who can do maths solve this problem:

I want the post counts for the ranks to ascend somewhat logarithmically or geometrically or whatever, so that the distance from rank 1 to rank two is short, but from the penultimate to the ultimate very long. The range is 1-2700. Also, the rank for Zot would ideally be pegged at 1337, though that can be dropped if it makes it too difficult.

Re: Working group for new Tavern post rank titles

PostPosted: Sunday, 17th February 2013, 20:57
by jejorda2
Using 1.4^N power ends up with the 23rd at 2700, but it puts all the first ones way too close together.
  Code:
Dungeon   1
Temple   12
Lair   13
Mines   14
Halls    16
Snake   18
Swamp   21
Spider   26
Shoals    32
Slime   41
Vaults   54
Blades   72
Crypt   97
Tomb   132
Zot   183
Pandemonium   253
Abyss   353
Vestibule   493
Tartarus   691
Dis   970
Cocytus   1364
Gehenna   1918
Awe-inspiring   2700

Using 1+2.52^N power works okay, but Zot would need to shift a few levels to be in the 13k range:
  Code:
Dungeon   1
Temple   7
Lair   17
Mines   34
Halls    59
Snake   92
Swamp   136
Spider   190
Shoals    255
Slime   332
Vaults   422
Blades   525
Crypt   642
Tomb   774
Zot   920
Pandemonium   1083
Abyss   1261
Vestibule   1456
Tartarus   1669
Dis   1899
Cocytus   2147
Gehenna   2414
Awe-inspiring   2700

Re: Working group for new Tavern post rank titles

PostPosted: Sunday, 17th February 2013, 21:41
by Grimm
There's also another somewhat scaled proposal on the worksheet. I think I like your mathy one though. We can always shift Zot around. And Abyss should probably come before Pan because you're more likely to see it first.

Re: Working group for new Tavern post rank titles

PostPosted: Sunday, 17th February 2013, 21:46
by Grimm
The Hell titles are excellent now.

Re: Working group for new Tavern post rank titles

PostPosted: Sunday, 17th February 2013, 23:10
by jejorda2
Of course, if we threw in a few portal vaults (Maybe Wizlab, Ziggurat, Bazaar, and Labyrinth) then we'd have 27 ranks. Put them all before Zot and we don't have to fudge much to get Zot to the desired elite value.

If we use 2.397^N - MOD(2.397^N,5) to get round figures, it looks like this after adjusting to 27 levels:
27forumRanksB.png
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The third column is the number of posts to get from one rank to the next; the second is the total post count.

Re: Working group for new Tavern post rank titles

PostPosted: Monday, 18th February 2013, 01:04
by Davion Fuxa
The jumps between posts seem a little too close due to having that many ranks, but it is generally to me an idea of trading one ideal (really close ranks) with another (Zot is 1337, or close to it).

Re: Working group for new Tavern post rank titles

PostPosted: Monday, 18th February 2013, 01:50
by Davion Fuxa
minmay wrote:bazaars: harder than ziggurats


I think someone died in a Bazaar recently, them Merchants are pretty shady you know.

Re: Working group for new Tavern post rank titles

PostPosted: Monday, 18th February 2013, 03:07
by byrel
I once came close, but that was Trog's wrath... :)

Re: Working group for new Tavern post rank titles

PostPosted: Monday, 18th February 2013, 17:12
by Grimm
jejorda2 wrote:Of course, if we threw in a few portal vaults (Maybe Wizlab, Ziggurat, Bazaar, and Labyrinth) then we'd have 27 ranks. Put them all before Zot and we don't have to fudge much to get Zot to the desired elite value.

Neat solution but using portals gets away from the idea of fixed levels, which is what we're after. How does it look if we drop the branches and the 1337 requirement, and go for round numbers?


The titles are almost done. We still haven't decided on Mines, Spider, Shoal, Slime, Vaults, Abyss, Dis and Gehenna. Also, should 2700 be "Allruner" or "Ziggurat Zagger"?

Re: Working group for new Tavern post rank titles

PostPosted: Monday, 18th February 2013, 17:18
by Davion Fuxa
I kind of like the last slot to be something that isn't a branch, though Allrunner comes off feeling a bit dull.

Re: Working group for new Tavern post rank titles

PostPosted: Monday, 18th February 2013, 18:06
by jejorda2
This is 2.52^N-MOD(2.52^N,5) with 23 levels:
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Re: Working group for new Tavern post rank titles

PostPosted: Monday, 18th February 2013, 18:08
by njvack
I'd vote for Zig Zagger, or "Zig Raider" which people actually say (for better or worse). I've added comments to others cells, which seems like a not-very-good way to give feedback but whatever.

I'm pleased with Cocytus Succeeder. Because in my heart, I am a 14-year old boy.

Re: Working group for new Tavern post rank titles

PostPosted: Monday, 18th February 2013, 19:59
by Grimm
I like those numbers jejorda2, thanks a lot! That's settled, and we're close to having all the names decided on. Hopefully we can go live in the next day or so.

Let's go with Ziggurat Zagger for now.

Re: Working group for new Tavern post rank titles

PostPosted: Monday, 18th February 2013, 23:07
by XuaXua
I'm the one who put Zig Zagger up there last night. And Tartarus Artist. :) Melange column; mostly me.

Re: Working group for new Tavern post rank titles

PostPosted: Monday, 18th February 2013, 23:42
by XuaXua
Grimm wrote: Currently only one person not otherwise titled is eligible for it.

I did not realize until just now exactly whom this refers to.

Re: Working group for new Tavern post rank titles

PostPosted: Tuesday, 19th February 2013, 08:37
by Grimm
Okay let's get the last ones decided.

Mines
Macerator/Mortician/Malingerer/Marauder

Spider and Slime
Splatterer/Squasher/Stomper/Slasher/Splitter/Slattern/Squisher

Shoals
Surfer/Swashbuckler

Abyss
Agoniser/Agitator/Annoyer/Attacker/Assaulter/Accountant

Dis
Charger/Courser

Re: Working group for new Tavern post rank titles

PostPosted: Tuesday, 19th February 2013, 11:41
by jejorda2
My votes:
Mine Malingerer
Spider Squisher
Shoal Surfer (Lingering doubts here, even with the movie reference)
Abyss Ambulator
Dis Courser

Re: Working group for new Tavern post rank titles

PostPosted: Tuesday, 19th February 2013, 11:49
by Grimm
And Slime? I fixed my post to make it clearer.

Re: Working group for new Tavern post rank titles

PostPosted: Tuesday, 19th February 2013, 11:53
by Grimm
jejorda2, how are you a Zot Zoomer? You've got fewer than 1000 posts.

Re: Working group for new Tavern post rank titles

PostPosted: Tuesday, 19th February 2013, 12:09
by byrel
Easy. He's ninjaing, so doesn't need as much experience to handle Zot as most do.

Re: Working group for new Tavern post rank titles

PostPosted: Tuesday, 19th February 2013, 13:07
by jejorda2
What number base are the post counts displayed in?

Perhaps someone guessed my password, made enough posts to get a high rank, then deleted them all?

Maybe somebody up there likes me?

I hadn't noticed before you mentioned it, and I don't know what is going on.

Re: Working group for new Tavern post rank titles

PostPosted: Tuesday, 19th February 2013, 13:13
by jejorda2
Ooh!

Shoal Survivor?
I'm a Shoal Man, (Da-da ta-da. Da-da ta da!)
Shoal Mate?
Shoal Eater?
Shoal Searcher!
Shoal Trainer?
Shoal Stirrer.

Re: Working group for new Tavern post rank titles

PostPosted: Tuesday, 19th February 2013, 14:32
by njvack
I also have no idea why jejorda2 is a ZZ -- I haven't been playing with title counts :/

ANYHOW: I vote:

Slime Slicer
Spider Sheesh There Are A Lot of 'S' Branches. Or 'Splatter'
Dis Charger
Abyss (Absconder|Abolisher)
Mines Marauder

Have you thought about using 'Orc' and 'Elf' instead of 'Mines' and 'Halls'? Maybe 'Orc Occupier' Orccupier? Elf Electrocutor?

Also, Shoals Searcher is brilliant.

Re: Working group for new Tavern post rank titles

PostPosted: Tuesday, 19th February 2013, 14:38
by byrel
Orc Organizer?
Orc Omnomnom? (For any forum trolls at least? :))
Elf Edifier?
Elf Ender?

Re: Working group for new Tavern post rank titles

PostPosted: Tuesday, 19th February 2013, 18:42
by XuaXua
Shoals Surfer
Snake Slitherer
Spiders Stomper
Slimes Squisher

Re: Working group for new Tavern post rank titles

PostPosted: Tuesday, 19th February 2013, 21:37
by Grimm
njvack wrote:Have you thought about using 'Orc' and 'Elf' instead of 'Mines' and 'Halls'? Maybe 'Orc Occupier' Orccupier? Elf Electrocutor?

Yes, and it's a tough call. danr went with Mines, and I am inclined to continue with that, but he was consistent in choosing Pit over Snake, which I don't want to do. One argument is that we should save Orc and Elf for any future race-based titling. Another is keeping Halls so we can keep Hopper, as a tearful homage to the beloved Hive (well I liked it).

In other words, I don't know.

Abyss - one vote each for Absconder/Abolisher/Ambulator
Mines - one vote each for Marauder/Malingerer
Slimes - one vote each for Squisher/Slicer
Snake - one vote for Slitherer. I don't like this as it refers to the animal not the player character.
Spider - one vote each for Squisher/Stomper/Splatterer
Shoal - two votes for Surfer, one for Searcher
Dis - one vote each for Courser/Charger

In other words, no result.

Re: Working group for new Tavern post rank titles

PostPosted: Tuesday, 19th February 2013, 21:40
by XuaXua
Snake Charmer then, screw alliteration.

Re: Working group for new Tavern post rank titles

PostPosted: Tuesday, 19th February 2013, 21:41
by Grimm
Only Hells and Blades will be breaking alliteration.

Re: Working group for new Tavern post rank titles

PostPosted: Tuesday, 19th February 2013, 22:11
by Grimm
njvack wrote:I also have no idea why jejorda2 is a ZZ -- I haven't been playing with title counts :/.

According to the admin log, ZZ has always been at 750, not the advertised 1000. I've switched it, as much to play with the rank editing function as to correct it.

I really want to get these new ranks up. In fact I am going to put all the ones we've decided on up right now.

Re: Working group for new Tavern post rank titles

PostPosted: Tuesday, 19th February 2013, 22:59
by jejorda2
Snake Scobberlotcher
Slime Selmelier, if salt kills slimes like it kills slugs, or Slubberdegullion if it doesn't.
Mine Mumper? Malingerer is pretty good, though nothing is wrong with Marauder.

Re: Working group for new Tavern post rank titles

PostPosted: Tuesday, 19th February 2013, 23:15
by galehar
Grimm wrote:
njvack wrote:Have you thought about using 'Orc' and 'Elf' instead of 'Mines' and 'Halls'? Maybe 'Orc Occupier' Orccupier? Elf Electrocutor?

Yes, and it's a tough call. danr went with Mines, and I am inclined to continue with that

Me too. Mines and Halls are good.

My votes:
Abyss - Ambulator
Slimes - Squisher
Spider - Stomper
Shoal - Surfer
Dis - Charger

Re: Working group for new Tavern post rank titles

PostPosted: Wednesday, 20th February 2013, 04:08
by Grimm
I'm gonna go with galehar's tie breakers. Thanks everyone for helping out. The new era of Tavern fun has dawned.

Re: Working group for new Tavern post rank titles

PostPosted: Wednesday, 20th February 2013, 04:13
by XuaXua
Sorted all members by rank.

If you can label them, 0 posts should be a Townsperson or Villager or a Player Ghost; Counselors should be renamed something like Linley Lover or Henzell Harlot.

And huzzah for Galehar agreeing with me for the most part (Spiders/Slime/Shoals); logic wins again!

Now that I'm not typing off a phone, my other votes were for Dis Combobulator (lol) and I did like Mine Marauder, Lair Lounger, and Temple Teatotaller (considering most stashes are in those last 2 places).

Oh, and Crypt Creeper (say it aloud, those of you who watched a lot of tv in the 1980's, a hee hee hee hee hee).

Re: Working group for new Tavern post rank titles

PostPosted: Wednesday, 20th February 2013, 04:35
by Grimm
XuaXua wrote:If you can label them, 0 posts should be a Townsperson or Villager or a Player Ghost; Counselors should be renamed something like Linley Lover or Henzell Harlot.

Let's go with Player Ghost - good idea. Counsellors should keep their current title because it's intended to help new and casual readers. "Henzell Harlot" would only confuse them.

Now that I'm not typing off a phone, my other votes were for Dis Combobulator (lol) and I did like Mine Marauder, Lair Lounger, and Temple Teatotaller (considering most stashes are in those last 2 places).

Dis Combobulator does not work because Combobulator is not a word. And it's spelled teetotaller.

Re: Working group for new Tavern post rank titles

PostPosted: Wednesday, 20th February 2013, 04:55
by njvack
The new titles are super sweet! Thanks for making this happen.

Re: Working group for new Tavern post rank titles

PostPosted: Saturday, 23rd March 2013, 00:53
by Grimm
The top level could be "Bro of Zot"

Re: Working group for new Tavern post rank titles

PostPosted: Wednesday, 8th May 2013, 03:26
by twelwe
im going to think of a bunch of titles tonight

Re: Working group for new Tavern post rank titles

PostPosted: Wednesday, 8th May 2013, 03:38
by twelwe
  Code:
1-5     registered to complain about mountain dwarves
6-13    juggalo thread starter
14-30   plays felids every time
31-60   wants you to like his youtube vids
61      fedhas freak
62-80   only worhips xom every time
81-300  almost ascended but says twenty wins offline
301-350 uses scimitar in hell
351-700 critiques your lvl 18 stat investment
701-800 knows what "4.1.0" means, and lets everyone know
801-900 skyped a dev once and saved the chatlog
901-999 got quoted by a dev a couple times
1000+   either has color title or made a thousand worthless posts