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I don't think it's quite so cut and dry! Here are the average damage numbers from my current game. I'm comparing a +8 vorpal longbow, +8 holy longbow and a +8 speed bow at skill 18 with +6 ammo, plenty of strength, at minimum delay, no target AC, perfect accuracy, and no slaying: +8 vorpal: 29 per t...

http://crawl.develz.org/info/inline.php?q=launcher%20damage http://crawl.develz.org/info/inline.php?q=launcher%20delay The damage formula, copied from Henzell, is: (B/2 + L/8 + A/16 + min((str - 10)*(2B+A)*C, (L+1)/4))*(1+skill/D)*(brand multiplier) + slaying/4 + A/2 + l/2 if using xbow Here A is th...

I've been wondering if crossbows might be better for strong characters and longbows better for dexterous ones. The reason is that strong characters can actually hit minimum delay on crossbows but weak and dexterous characters probably can't. The converse is true for longbows. It's also easier to hit...

Blade wrote:Looking for sage, focus, and experience is incredibly wasteful.

I look for these cards in plain decks only when there scrolls of identify would otherwise sit around unused. Might it be better hold them in case a trove requests them?

30 spare scrolls of identify? Wow. I usually ID plain and ornate decks, mostly for sage, focus, and experience cards. But I've leaned on plain decks of escape before, even with 0 evocations. Quite possibly there are better options. I also carry around scrolls before bringing them back to a stash whi...

Congrats to everyone! I might have to try this, too.

I usually set "aa" to a macro when playing Sif...

I found a crystal plate and glowing plate armour on D1 the other day. In the same room. 5 squares apart, I think.

Spider is very nice! It's a bit odd to have another poison-heavy branch. And like all branches I think it could be lose a level or two. But for me it's certainly more fun than swamp. One note: At present it seems that nonmagical projectiles can pass through webs without the webs being destroyed and ...

I just encountered a trove asking for 18 scrolls of identify on D26. It seems that it might be difficult to accumulate 18 scrolls of identify, having played so much of the game already. (Now that cards can be identified, I rarely have scrolls of identify lying around.) Does anyone see this as a prob...

So we should get rid of the cases where they "die because of meleeing a gnoll at XL1" too, right? XL1 gnolls are just "unfair". They're easier to run from than a wielded distortion weapon, too. Sigmund and early gnolls are learning experiences that are good because they involve ...

cerebovssquire wrote:You get higher INT.

Does it seem to anyone else like the wizard background would be strong relative to other caster background even without higher INT?

This thread is becoming increasingly ridiculous, you all are making it look like that wielding an unwanted distortion weapon is something that happens often enough to worry about. The existence of the thread suggests otherwise - while rare, many people worry about it! Opinions on this obviously dif...

I don't think the very rare spawn rate of distortion weapons is particularly effective at preventing people from checking interesting-looking weapons, either. You misunderstand. The point is certainly not to prevent players from testing interesting looking weapons. It is to prevent them from testin...

Right. I guess you can always leave the vampiric weapon behind in the Abyss, Pan, the Crypt, the Tomb, and the Hells. Where, of course, speed or holy wrath will suffice.

Or maybe it derives from the Vorpal Bunny:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rabbit_of_Caerbannog

Likewise, I thought ranged was pretty bad when I was a lot worse at crawl. Now they are excellent. They also take away the advantage of polearms in that reaching is less helpful in combination with a ranged weapon, except perhaps for Centaurs. Crossbows are great for most anyone, even at low skill. ...

I 14-runed the other day.

Yea, forgot to visit the slim pits. Oops.

If the rune lock idea goes ahead, it might be make sense to alter the dungeon's structure so that one of the lair branches is in the dungeon. Swamp, for example, could be three levels and replace d14-16, with all the downstairs to d17 located next to the rune. (In this case, toning down the swamp en...

+15 dex means up to +18 EV for a Naga. +18 EV is important. +15 Int mean a lot more spellpower or saved XP or whatnot, fewer miscasts, better MR. I've never heard anyone say that +15 int just isn't that important. +15 Str means +5 or more dex in a heavy armour build, depending on the race, translati...

A wand of digging would be almost as good. You can probably handle 10 or so turns of hill giant beatdown.

Would a scroll of fog prevent the placement of summons?

If I did my calculations correctly, your low strength (22) using the crystal plate armour (which requires str 24) would only increase your AEVP by 1. This seems like a small price to pay. Or are there other prices I'm not aware of?

I tend to value blinking quite highly. I think that plate armour would be fine for most of a 3-rune game if (1) you already have rF+ and rC+, (2) have some money left over after buying it, and (3) don't have many enchant armour scrolls. (Some gave I find 20, others I find 2.) Having some source of r...

Good flavor! Riffing on the previous comment.... However, it might be boring to wait for hunger to set to to become more powerful. Consider some mechanism to ensure that this doesn't happen. (Vomiting?! hehehe.) Even with fast metabolism 3, going from engorged hungry or whatnot might take a while. I...

For power gamers other backgrounds might be stronger for Chei. Especially with Naga constriction getting nerfed in trunk. Wi or Gl have worked for me. IE should as well but I haven't had success. NaMo seem like they should be strong but I have had trouble with them. I think it's because 27 UC + 15 S...

If you try for Slime, be warned that you may face 6+ acid blobs all spitting at you for several turns. I think the royal jelly took three fire storms the one time I tried. Crypt is easier than Slime for every build that I can think of. Likewise, clear the remainder of the dungeon. I usually clear Zo...

The best way to pull Trolls out of the UC no-brainer would be to nerf UC. And I think this nerf is long overdue. I think the linearity between skill and base damage is great, so how about just reducing it by 20%? base damage = skill_rdiv(SK_UNARMED_COMBAT, 4, 5) Before nerfing UC, consider that UC ...

are you saying that tension is part of the invocation/summon demon formula? Tension is not part of the formula. The underlying point is that Makhelb's demons are better used offensively (to kill moderately tough opponents) than defensively (when trying to escape). The Executioner you summoned will ...

Anything, Mennas included when you're not silenced, can be outrun with in wide corridors with evaporate + (uncontrolled) blink. This technique works best in corridors that are three squares wide, but in a probabilistic sense works anywhere. First, evaporate a potion of water two squares away from yo...

varsovie wrote:Player's ghost CAN appear in portals.

I just lost a promising character to a player ghost in a Bazaar.

(No, just kidding.)

The option to convert to Lugonu is really fun. I'd support a high (50%+ ?) chance of there being a Lugonu altar within LOS when banished. This would make abyss easier, in a sense, more interesting, and make Lugonu more accessible for low-level (low-MR?) players. While on the topic of the abyss, I th...

Jeremiah wrote:A staircase mimic can follow you up stairs.

Staircase mimics cannot follow you up other staircase mimics, however. So the safest place to hide is up another staircase mimic.

Also, dexterity does play a role in the chances of hitting the enemy right? Dexterity is completely worthless for Archers. What is all this "strength weighting" stuff about, then? Also, http://crawl.chaosforge.org/index.php?title=Talk:Missile claims that Dex helps accuracy for all missile...

The one time I tried to ditch Ash, I was shocked by how much a 10-level decrease in certain skills matters. In short, I love this idea. Yes, I would search out rN++ before taking on shadow dragons if a couple hits from them reduced my skills instead of my XP. Regaining skills through XP is a great c...

I think thw Hat of Pondering once killed a Naga spellcaster of mine. (More accurately, I did something stupid while weating the Hat of Pondering and I'm blaming it on the hat.) While being slower than most monsters is bad, being super slow is worse still. Being slower than most monsters doesn't just...

thanks for the responses. Hm. If the additional +2 doesn't matter much, then the first +5 don't matter much more and it's probably not worth spending the 1600-1900 gold on them. It was my understanding that the contribution of slaying was halved in trunk. So a +5 ring in trunk might be like a +2 or ...

I can't figure out weapons of distortion. Causing enemies to blink can be really really nasty. Not as bad as the chaos brand, but still bad. Killing things now is good but blinking, for example, centaurs is really really bad. But since GSC kills things now without distortion, you might consider forg...

Which ring of slaying is better for an unarmed/transformed fighter, +5+5 or +0+7? It looks like accuracy doesn't help much for melee weapons but is this the case for unarmed combat as well?

I believe that the concept has potential: you collect randarts and try to estimate their usefulness from what you get right away and can infer. After that, you have to decide which ones are potentially most useful and hence most urgent to read-id. I'd think you'd need more randart item categories f...

Old Pit was too easy. I wouldn't go so far as to compare new Pit to Tomb, but I do think that constriction's melee-range, AC ignoring damage ft. a rooting effect is a little extreme, and makes things (even) harder for melee/heavy armour users, while making spellcasting and translocations more usefu...

I don't even bother finding a rat. I just zap at a wall 2+ spaces away. If nothing happens, I get a little hurt and then zap myself. I think wands should auto-id. As for amulets, I think they'd be more fun if there were several dangerous amulets. As present, only faith is dangerous when you have a s...

Old Pit was too easy. I wouldn't go so far as to compare new Pit to Tomb, but I do think that constriction's melee-range, AC ignoring damage ft. a rooting effect is a little extreme, and makes things (even) harder for melee/heavy armour users, while making spellcasting and translocations more usefu...

In my experience, shock is weak at low power but great at high power. So consider training conjurations and air until shock's power is maxed, then focusing on spellcasting, stealth or whatnot.

I look forward to playing with constriction! Re constriction and teleporting: it might be fun if both the constrictor and constrictee had a chance of teleported. Maybe randomize the teleportation outcome over (1) teleport fails, (2) target teleports alone, (3) target teleports with constrictior/cons...

I hope that not too many players would carry 10 rations around just to feed harpies. "The harpy steal a bread ration! The harpy disappears!" Maybe harpies could banish themselves when they are full. A harpie might be full after 3 chokos or 2 honeycombs or 1 ration; it could be random or no...

Haven't spell levels been turned from discrete to continuous (So fire at 1.1 gives more spell power than does fire at 1.0)?

If so, then getting sticky flame powered up would involve keeping conjurations and fire on.

What about harpies doing serious damage if they cannot get food from you? I like this very much. Another possibility is for Harpies to give a "hunger curse", a temporary mutation that increases metabolism. The net effect would be similar but they players wouldn't have to be annoyed by ite...

I had ** spell power for freeze, then put on a ring, then checked spell power again, seeing only *. Yes, it was a ring of fire. This seems problematic. Only spoiled players would know to check spell power. Either the ring should auto-ID or the spell power display should not reflect un-IDed enhancers...

As dtsund points out, having to memorise a couple of times is a very good (almost haptic) way of telling players what is going on. It is much better than "You will only cast this spell with [adjective] success. Memorise anyway? (y/n)". Memorising spells is not a staple action (like eg. ca...

I like the food reform. (Though Centaurs need help.) I'm not annoyed by having to butcher slightly more often. And waiting until very hungry to eat contaminated corpses -- so what? It's not hard to do. Under the food reform I get sick less often, which I think is very good. Does Crawl keep statistic...

Flames to Fire Elementals would be stronger than Sticks to Snakes!

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