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Sometimes I auto-explore even if there is a dangerous monster on the level.

I try a bit too hard to reach timed portals, even with chars I deem too weak for them.

What would the easiest Felid build be? In my experience, FeEn. It plays quite like a SpEn early on, except UC instead of SBl. Unlike spriggans, felids keep being effective in melee after midgame and in Statue Form they can be even somewhat tabbable. And one-shotting an occasional panlord is quite f...

Are you dead set on a felid *conjurer*? I'm sure it can be made to work, but felid apts make such good enchanters that any other playstyle is a bit of a challenge. TBH, even if I was trying to win FeCj specifically, I'd start building a hex-stabber from the beginning. Cj even has Dazzling Spray in t...

Like VAF said, it's a user interface issue. Kiting takes a good amount more key presses to achieve its goal, compared to straightforward melee. Melee chars just play so much quicker than hunters and conjurers. I like the idea of a "kiting tab" that moves away from the nearest monster and l...

I haven't often used rods but when I did, clouds and ignition were quite fun. Shadows was pretty neat too. Disc of storms, however, is what I used quite heavily with my spell-less mummy 15 runer. Its removal is a huge monster silence buff, especially in Zigs. Zigbusting has been gradually nerfed fro...

I haven't played CLW, but I like the fact you're playing the crappy gods I wouldn't normally touch, so any win here gets A+ from me.

Jivya certainly isn't the best choice for zigs, but it would have prevented that paralysis. But yeah, without the health on kills, it would be pretty hard. A formicid + Makh might actually be the only good choice for busting zigs nowadays. The only deep zig deaths I have are due to paralysis, and S...

Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.19.1 (tiles) character file. Opardux the Sensei (Octopode Artificer) Turns: 51237, Time: 03:57:51 Health: 189/189 AC: 0 Str: 39 XL: 26 Next: 53% Magic: 48/48 EV: 38 Int: 29 God: Okawaru [******] Gold: 4212 SH: 20 Dex: 33 Spells: 8 memorised, 24 levels left rFire ....

I have actually come to the conclusion that people often over rely on statuepode, there is no point in being slow when you one or two shot things anyway. On hard bosses there is an obvious difference and you certainly want to be statue or whatever, but try running around as normal Op with good defe...

Out of curiosity, I ran an fsim vs death yak with an identical char: AvHitDam | MaxDam | Accuracy | AvDam | AvTime | AvSpeed | AvEffDam Attacking: 96,4 | 304 | 88% | 85,0 | 75 | 1,33 | 113,3 Defending: 4,0 | 19 | 25% | 1,0 | 100 | 1,00 | 1,0 Freaking 113 AvEffDam at UC:27 (with Heroism). Make it dou...

Made the switch, found a Str+8 ring in C:3, and the char's rocking with Str:37. Might be my personal octopode highscore so far. Not many dudes can take the first punch. Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.19.1 (tiles) character file. Opardux the Sensei (Octopode Artificer) Turns: 49180, Time: 03:39:2...

I'd use up the dodging manual to get a point of EV or two. Apart from that, keep training more Evo. It improves the abilities you wouldn't have otherwise. With high Evo and rElec I'd keep an eye on the disc of storms, even though it's most useful as a Makhleb worshiper. Not worth switching gods thou...

Thanks, papilio.

I somewhat disagree about statuepodes *needing* SH, superb melee damage and good AC/EV is quite enough even without a shield, but more defenses don't hurt of course.

But Str is especially good as a statue and a good offense is the best defense so I'll switch.

Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.19.1 (tiles) character file. Opardux the Sensei (Octopode Artificer) Turns: 47783, Time: 03:29:50 Health: 173/173 AC: 3 Str: 22 XL: 24 Next: 72% Magic: 48/48 EV: 33 Int: 24 God: Okawaru [******] Gold: 2388 SH: 9 Dex: 21 Spells: 8 memorised, 22 levels left rFire + ...

Play a DD necromancer. Casting Vampiric Draining as a axe-wielder a few thousand times is such fun!

Morgue: http://pastebin.com/raw/RaqTZsF0 Farewell my sweet octopode zigbuster! It ended in paralysis, like for many before you. Without Stasis, they all do. Zigbusting isn't what it used to be. Dying while helpless, what fun! But fun was originally Tolkien, so I see why it had to go. Well, I still h...

A spriggan is a great conjurer because of the quick movement. My only "caster" win was with a SpCj^Dith who very late on memorized Spellforged Servitor, amnesia'd all other spells than Battlesphere and Iron Shot and cleared Zot:5 with them. Before Servitor and Iron Shot, I pretty much used...

A few more: Any cheap spell that can preferably tag a monster from distance, because felids can't throw stones to lure dudes: ⋅ Animate Skeleton (Necr 1): Keeps being useful up to statuecat, and you still want to raise the toughest skeletons after it. Useful throughout 15 runes even. &sdot...

Nope, just having range 3 (with Lesser Beckoning) is enough to rate the spell as "Essential". If you're fighting with fiends, hellions, etc, Beckoning is invaluable because you're using Statue Form. I've used it with one statformer in extended and I agree it was nice to have, but by no me...

A felid is quite a fun species. They get goodstabs with their claws, so they will OHKO a lot of foes who don't see it coming. A statuecat can eventually deal !!!!!!!! of damage with high UC and Stealth. Felids also have +4 apt in Hexes. This combo makes the best felid spells a bit of a no-brainer: &...

Doesnt wrote:Unarmed attacks would presumably reach 0.0 delay at 54 skill, allowing you to freely erase anything that gets in melee range.

In my experience, in either statue or dragon forms this is already true at 27 UC.

With (often) 1 AC Blade Hands is a dubious choice. It greatly increases your damage output but doesn't help your defense at all. Every tMut spell which buffs octopodes' AC (ice form, statue, even dragon form) is better. Ice Form also reduces your EV so it's not just a defense buff. Both Ice Form an...

Early on, lots of starter book spells are good and I sort of forgot about them. So here: ⋅ Shock > Sting / Magic Missile / Flame Tongue. All the 1st level ranged spells help to either kill or weaken dudes from distance, even without training the relevant spell skills any further. But a hun...

I never really got why people (Animate Skeleton) spell so much, it creates very shitty allies for a small amount of time. Even when I've got like 5-6 skeletons with me, I don't notice any substantial difference is damage taken/done in combat. It's cheap, doesn't depend on spellpower, and even a wea...

papilio wrote:You missed Lesser Beckoning.

It seems to take quite a lot of Tloc investment to get more than 3-4 range, so it's not that much better than just walking towards the enemy, but it's good for better positioning for sure. So another one in between "nice to have" and "pretty good".

I decided that switching to transmuter was both too expensive and too far out of my experience, so I went with Sif and stayed IE, plus Sticks to Snakes. And a wight dropped a +5 halberd on the very same floor the Temple stairs was on! I'm sorry to hear that. Although, my first 2 15-rune wins were w...

NhorianScum wrote:Mesmerize + LCS is pretty rude sometimes.

That's why superb melee damage output is OP: you never get to experience the downsides because the dudes are dead in 3 hits anyway.

NhorianScum wrote:It would look worse.

I have no idea what it means in this context.

I justed steamrolled over Jory with a OpTm. So much damage output that I can't even relate to that.

Next time, play a Tm.

But would post-27 skills be prohibitevly so? Post-3-runes, would it really matter? Apart from great apts, who would get to 27 anyway?

tabstorm wrote:Fighting, armor

you know, the good skills

Prolly so. Even more HP would be dealbreaker I guess.

After rod removal patch, lightning rods are stupidly weak to replace discs of storm and wand of scattershot is nowhere close to strong to have 9 as its max charge. Also bring back our wand of inaccuracy. The commit message said it's boring duplicate but actually it's not. The commit messages mentio...

dracos369 wrote:I've been one-shot the turn I cast blade hands once...

Oh, and I forgot Shroud of Golubria!

If you count in SoG, we'd have to count in every book start, and most of them have a good spell to clear the first few levels of the dungeon. A melee Op would love an Sk start for one.

As a reply to both of you: would it really matter? Getting skills to 27 is what happens in the extended game. You could get there earlier with a +N species, certainly with a +4 one. But which skill would be worth raising post 27?

Great: ⋅ Blade Hands (Tmut 5) I don't think so. With (often) 1 AC Blade Hands is a dubious choice. It greatly increases your damage output but doesn't help your defense at all. Every tMut spell which buffs octopodes' AC (ice form, statue, even dragon form) is better. I've used Blade Hand...

What if skills didn't max out at 27, but got more expesive to improve? It'd affect the 9th level spells for sure. In armour, another level would really help to get them reliably castable. UC could get even better, but statform UC already destroys everything in the game so that wouldn't be a big fact...

Sounds nice, but a "Penguin"? How are you even even supposed to pronounce that?

Being in Statue Form changes things. You'll gain superb melee damage and good defenses, but become Slow, so may spells become comparatively worse. Your main way of dealing damage will outshine every other way: melee in Statue Form. Being Slow makes all the other attacks do 0.66 as much damage. But T...

Do frogs get to leap? Felids don't, and they do goodstabs. They are stealthy enough to not need them anyway. You'd maybe get a goodstab or two more if they had them, but good stealth apt does pretty much the same. Without goodstabs, a jump attack is pretty much useless.

dracos369 wrote:Dispel undead? Blink? Butterflies? (Maybe also LRD.)

Blink: what kind of melee dude uses blink? To get away? A statformer never needs to get away, or if it does, it'd be ?tele or ?cblink to stairs.

Dispel undead? Blink? Butterflies? (Maybe also LRD.) Good suggestions. My take: ⋅ Dispel Undead: Nice to have, but a statform UC kills quick enough. ⋅ Butterflies: Maybe against malmutators, so a good add-on to the nice-to-have list. ⋅ LRD: Useless after statform. A pu...

Essential: ⋅ Animate Skeleton (Necr 1): Early on it's a superb buff, after Statue Form it's still quite nice but not more than that. ⋅ Repel Missiles (Chrm/Air 2): Superb against centaurs, keeps being useful even after Statue Form, as every dodged bolt, large rock, or Crystal S...

Like bel said, if you go the Tm route, it takes quite a lot of specific skill investment: UC, Trmt, and Earth when you find Statue Form. With your Ice investment, Ice Form comes online quickly. If you choose that route, and I know I would be tempted to do so as I like Tm a lot, I'd pick either Oka o...

y - the ring "Cufrofub" (on tentacle) {rF- MP+9 Str+8 Int+4} (You bought it in a shop on level 2 of the Orcish Mines) Str+8 provides a great damage bonus, all casters love some Int. A nice match for my pre-Lair-rune Op: Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.19.1 (tiles) character file. Opard...

I'd play OpAs the same way as any Op: UC + forms. That way, Statue Form will be the ticket for victory. And Oka is the perfect "Tm" god: UC benefits the most from Heroism. Finesse + UC (+ Heroism) should be enough to deal with even the toughest dudes even without forms, at least 1-on-1.

If many people start sticking to older versions, that doesn't exactly speak for the development of the game imo. Every version some people "threaten" to not move on, but I'm not sure if a significant number of people have ever followed through with it. I've been quite critical of some of ...

I've never built a character around poison magic, because even if it's very effective against most enemies, especially in early-midgame, it doesn't work on everything. Earth Magic, OTOH, leads to Iron Shot which can kill every dude in the game. But I rarely build around that either, because good mel...

If I hadn't found the penetring longbow, I just might have been tempted to use the plutonium sword, because how often do you find a unique artefact with a weapon type you're skilled in and have a good aptitude for? IIRC, I've used it once before, could've been another high elf, but I didn't win that...

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VeryAngryFelid wrote:Age of wonders 3:

Okay I know it's off topic, but holy shit I love Age of Wonders 3.

This makes me want to try it. Is it better than Civ IV? I'm really out of date when it comes to computer games.

Endless replayability is a myth in crawl IMHO. It is very rare to have synergy between species, gods and spells (and backgrounds are completely useless for replayability due to game design) so once you won every species, god and tried every spell, you will start feeling "I have already played ...

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