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This commit has huge ramifications that I don't see being discussed anywhere, and it's going to prevent me from playing 0.17 unless I'm missing something important about it. While losing a single point to drain is annoying, it is hardly more than an inconvenience, and were it true that this is all ...

Don't get it. The character is terrible . Of course it gets wrecked by monsters in depths. When you run something like an ogre with conjurations as primary damage, you should understand you're making a really bad character and expect that it will not be a smooth ride all the way home. If you didn't...

You have rCorr, Haste, rC++, and freezing cloud. You have scrolls of summoning. I would have hasted, dropped a couple clouds, summoned, and tanked while they died. You have quite a few heal wounds and a ton of tele is it gets icky. You have a fan of gales, and should probably be carrying it as it p...

These really don't sound the same to me... ;) You're right, and I was careful not to refer to my exceptionally vulgar OP, but instead focused on my "initial remarks" following that. The really funny thing is that my graphically vulgar OP was not the one reported that earned me a warning f...

Code:: Vanquished Creatures 4 ancient liches Saint Roka (Depths:1) 5 caustic shrikes

Did Vaults to gain XP and get LCS/haste online and castable while wearing randart FDA instead of a robe, then stairdanced them one or two at a time. That did the trick.

As I read it, your initial remarks were that shrikes are OP. The general agreement you've cited are that other depths monsters are too weak. I'm confused, I guess. You posted a message in Advice saying shrikes are too strong and seemed to get upset at offers of advice, and at other folks saying the...

I agree that there's a problem with how far shrikes exceed other depths monsters, but I think the solution is to increase the scariness of other depths monsters. I do think it is an issue that there's such a massive disparity between shrikes and the average enemy in depths. So, after all condescens...

So you justify playing suboptimally for roleplay and questionable misogynist biology. Great. Play however you want. Shrikes are a good part of the game design exactly because they punish your foolish 'ballsy' play. They kill people who make mistakes like you do. That is good design. To be clear, I'...

I've never been in danger from a caustic shrike. Depths should be trivial unless you intentionally build a bad character to make it not so. First off, the irony of your name in the context of this is simply hilarious. If melee "tabstorming" is too brainless and easy, then you nerf tabstor...

mps wrote:Shrikes are crawl's way of telling you your character sucks.

I would have to concur that, in crawl, wizards do suck. Which kinda sucks, really.

To be fair I think they're one of the few not unique monsters which aren't tab fodder past lair. They certainly have over buffed stats everywhere and insane speed but that's a big requisite to not be another xp bag This I don't understand. Doesn't this assume that all characters encountering them m...

Yeah, I don't get why an actually threatening monster is allowed to exist past D:5 either. Bel has more than sufficiently addressed that red herring, but I just want to add that if these monsters are indeed at least as dangerous as the most powerful uniques (I'm thinking they're more dangerous, lik...

To be fair, the resist melee attacks pretty well too (EV 18 AC 10; spriggans have EV 18!). That's a pretty perverse definition of fair, but hmm-kay. oh god berserking shrikes amazing Great. Watch that get implemented before 0.17 becomes final. IMO caustic shrikes would be more appropriate for Zot t...

So how is causing something far more dangerous than golden dragons to spawn in packs considered anything other than viciously unfair? These should either be made to spawn singly at their current levels, or be made to spawn only at the deepest levels. Or do the devs really want there to be even more ...

Do these spawn in packs? Or did some sick fuck think it'd be fun to fill a vault full of these on Depths:2? Way, way, WAY OP for a monster. Might as well spawn 5 aliches at a time. You see a dark red monster name. You see several more of them. Hahaha, you're fucked! I survived, at the cost of a ridi...

If this is a bug, then let me know and I'll report it to Mantis, but I feel that if one has clarity then one should not be forbidden from moving through one's own clouds during tabbing. While it does not prompt confirmation for casting upon adjacent enemies, if a cloud is present, and an enemy is on...

How can I do it? Prolly the most tedious part of the game, since I tend to butcher everything butcherable to maximize available chunks. Should be a way to automate this, and I'm guessing someone's already invented that wheel...

another job done well done You forgot to thank him for the job well done. I was thinking it was a thankless job, and I considered thanking him for all of them, but it looks like you and the palpitation have it covered, except that last one, which you forgot, so I just wanted you to know that you fo...

Crawl is (theoretically) a game about adapting to what you find, not planning your Zig spell list from turn 1, and it's neat to find yourself building a different character than you expected*. *I am perfectly aware that some people plan their Zig spell lists from turn 1 and refuse to adapt their pl...

I generally find the opposite is true; Depths is a huge step up in difficulty from any earlier part of the game, and V5 and Zot are generally something of an anticlimax in comparison. I generally find the opposite of this to be true. I am usually able to clear Depths:1-5 before I am able to securel...

Duvessa is being really negative. It restores MP a lot faster than any other channeling source, but there's a chance (which gets smaller with Evo) to cause miscasts (drain MP, confusion, drain 1-3 INT). At max Evo it's like 3d9 (3-27 MP) with a 5.5% chance of miscast and overall 10% chance of failu...

What do you mean, "current cboe"? What has been changed?

!lm * current unique noun!~your noun!~headed noun!~helpless noun!~shaped s=noun / name=ololoev fmt:"${.}" ?: %=0 I know i'm not the OP, but it's interesting to know how to do this, so I tried it. I'm getting this list: Blork, Ignacio, Tiamat, Murray, Dissolution, Khufu, Antaeus, Lom Lobon...

In short, area effect spells are great at affecting areas. I think Sandman is (implicitly) arguing it's not really effective for single targets; e.g. for taking out a single Brimstone Fiend. Well, that's not how it's typically used, so it's an empty argument. fcloud is the easiest way to kill cereb...

I just did!

Succinctly, even!

LOL

Alternate thread title: Nerf optimal play

Because it's clearly OP.

Discuss.

I'm not a huge fan of it in extended, either, so there's no argument here. It's best use is mid-game, which is where I wanted it in the OP.

(If ten enemies are suffering 10 damage per turn, then that's your character distributing 100 damage in a turn while doing something else.) In short, area effect spells are great at affecting areas. I think Sandman is (implicitly) arguing it's not really effective for single targets; e.g. for takin...

casts bolt of cold probably this doesn't make fcloud useless Exactly. One continues to do battle using whatever means, LRD, shot, missiles, melee, throwing, OoD, whatever, and the fcloud damage is consistently added to the overall damage, making the whole episode shorter and more effective. (If ten...

A pack of jackals usually means death for a brand-new XL1 character, especially one with no weapon yet found (or worse, stuck with a cursed one first found). There is no escape from these packs; they spell doom if noticed. Maybe a sequell maven can derive the actual stats, but in my experience, ther...

Do you really use Freezing Cloud and Fireball in extended? They are too slow/noisy correspondingly IMHO. I stop using Fireball in Depths and stop using Freezing Cloud in extended, the latter deals about 20 damage per turn max, too slow vs most monsters with torment/hellfire. You misunderstand; my i...

I did expect it, and I took it all in good-naturedly. No harm, no foul. It's just, well, I had a simple question, and there's no Simple Question subforum.

Oh and, for the record, I lol'd at your watermelon engine block, too.

It's like, you went into a grocery store and asked "Hey, if I replace my car's engine block with a watermelon, will it void the warranty on the watermelon?" Most people, upon hearing that question, see something more important than the answer. Now, don't go defending groupthink with wild ...

To be fair, I had to pull up a wizmode character locally and see what happened, I didn't know off hand. It would have taken me a long time to set that up with the 0.16 version and figure out how to use wizmode, so thank you much. well you can 15-rune with bof and ood I am sure, but I wouldn't have ...

Veh doesn't give you a new set of gifts, if you rejoin you just don't get gifts again. Thank you for a definitive answer to the question, rather than another variation on the theme of "you shouldn't be asking that question." :) Although I did lol at that "murdered for impertinence&qu...

Aside: LCS is shorter range, but it has the same damage/MP and better accuracy as Iron Shot. Shatter and Tornado are perfectly good spells too. Chain Lightning is good too. Aside #2: If you were with Sif instead of Veh, she'd've taken care of you. :) LCS, Shatter and Tornado are too high to be usab...

I would be very irked if spell noise were removed. I count on it! Don't include me in your list of people who are "scared" by spell noise. As far as I am concerned (and you can bet it's also true for any Qazlal follower), the bring-em-on and blast-em-to-hell approach is infinitely more dar...

I made it to max piety and the final 3 offerings of Vehumet, have collected the first rune, cleared orc, lair and swamp, and dungeon down to depths, and the number and quality of the available spells is awful. I can't find any of my favorite utilities, such as Freezing Cloud, Fireball or Iron Shot, ...

I am currently on my 50th attempt to win with OgWz. This particular one (the 46th iteration) should have been a 15-runer, had I known and considered the extraordinarily deleterious effects of dex stat zero (on a mummy zig floor, no less, beefing him up for extended). Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version...

That settles that, then. Close it.

If not, then someone in legal (lol) might want to look into this app on the App Store, and this collection of screenshots courtesy of Google. Much as you people piss me off, I still don't want to see you being robbed. :lol:

Obvious groupthink is obvious.

You'll thank me later.

Some people just can't handle being wrong. It sounds like you haven't realized it is you who is wrong here. I know several players who cannot play offline because they cannot stop themselves from cheating but you are the only one who went as far as treating offline play as cheating to have an excus...

Some people just can't handle being wrong.

comebackshane wrote:Why playing offline is the equivalent of being a homosexual in my backwards county (i. e. being hated by everybody) is beyond me.

Offline plays much more fluidly + 100% lag free

I don't hate offline play at all. In fact, if I could play offline without cheating I probably would. :lol:

Arrhythmia wrote:jesus wept

Congratulations. You made it into a Superbowl ad.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibgvkXm9Qkc

I told ya you'd make someone proud.

Haha, I was afraid of that. Maybe a good suggestion to make extra-beneficial food for ghouls to be cyan-colored, then? Arbitrary or not, cyan seems to be for those extra-beneficial things.

Chunks are yellow, and they restore rot. Why don't yellow permafoods do the same? The yellow leads me to believe they should, but they don't, assuming I am just ignorant and this is not a bug.

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