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RBrandon wrote:I can imagine opening this vault door and being one-shotted by four oklobs coming into LOS simultaneously.

This actually happens: http://rl.heh.fi/morgue/schwarznadel/mo ... 102406.txt

daggaz wrote:As an aside tho, the chance of getting shit cursed artifacts (or worse, contaminated) is an important risk that should be kept in the gameplay. It should not be a nobrainer to pick up and try on every piece of steaming jewelry you find on the floor.

Well it's currently a no-brainer to NOT try on unidentified randart jewellery because it doesn't identify when you put it on

galehar wrote:As has been explained by others, you can't game the system by transferring from a crosstrained skill. It would just be reduced faster to compensate. The other idea of transferring from the higher level skill and still enjoy the crosstrain bonus to the lower level one should work, but I don't consider this to be an exploit.

But what if you train polearms to 20 and then train axes to 20 and then transfer away from polearms to get rid of the crosstraining on axes and then transfer away from axes???

Hurkyl wrote:(I took short sword for my starting weapon, so my exact starting skills were 0.0)

minmay wrote:start MfFi in wizard mode, with a trident.

le_nerd wrote:Cold Vulnerability lets you take double damage from cold-based attacks, so you should have at least no negative pips.

negative resistance only doubles damage from melee attacks, damage from ranged attacks is only increased by 50%

Hurkyl wrote:(I made sure to start with 0.0 skill in both)

The numbers I gave were for MfFi's exact starting skills, so this is the source of the discrepancy.

Hurkyl wrote:There's a third option: train both polearms and axes at the same time with one potion of experience. I get 15.6 axes and 18.3 polearms with a 50%-50% split. Actually, the actual values keep changing by a few tenths of a point as I keep redeciding how to spend the experience points.

This is one reason I told you to do one skill at a time.

Um, the power of Trog's abilities is directly tied to piety level. You absolutely do not want it to stay below 150, unless you intend to never use brothers in arms - the difference between getting an ogre from it and getting a stone giant is pretty big.

You are ignoring the effect of skill_cost_level. The more skills you have the more expensive they get.
Here is an easy test you can do to see for yourself: start MfFi in wizard mode, with a trident. Set experience level to 27 (don't train skills). Create and quaff a potion of experience, and put it all into polearms. Create and quaff a second potion, now put it into axes. You should come out with 10.7 axes skill.
Now quit and repeat the same process, but put the first experience potion into axes. It gets it to 15.4 - you got MORE axes skill by spending HALF the amount of experience. If you keep them closer to each other as you gain experience, this loss is much smaller, and yes, it can work out to get you more axes skill than you would otherwise, but I'm not going to bother figuring out the exact formulas used because it turns out training slings on ogres and axes on merfolk is completely boneheaded no matter what.

Maybe the same reason there are no races with +3 long blades or +3 staves or +3 crossbows or +3 armour or +3 shields +3 unarmed combat or +3 summoning or +3 necromancy?

le_nerd wrote:Wait, so the Vorpalbrand-name "Slicing" actually HAS an obscure effect other than the damage, namewise it increases the chance to "slice" of a hydras head???

Yes. Chopping, too.

Unless the weapon is vorpal, it only has a 50% chance to cut off a head if the damage is below 4. Monsters other than spectral weapons also have a 75% chance of failing to remove a head regardless.

minmay wrote:good god, it really is impossible to remove something without tavern complaining about it

tasonir wrote:And finally, because I think it's hilarious, I now know the cap on high scores:

Code:: Kellhus the Farming Axe Maniac (L27 VpEE), worshipper of Makhleb, annihilated by a meat berserker (a +9,+9 battleaxe) in Sprint (Sprint VIII: "Arena of Blood") on 2013-03-10 07:28:59, with -1759803776 points after 240100 turns and 1:53:37.

imo 0 is not less than 0

no because there is no requirement and it doesnt really even make sense as a recommended level

BlackSheep wrote:Ascii players like the picture since it corresponds directly to the range on the screen.

im an ascii player and i think it sucks

mind you i don't see how you can find either one "confusing" since you can just try casting the spell and you then know whether the arrowhead counts and whether freeze is range 0 or range 1.

also trying to put the number in the middle of the arrow is really awkward and weird just put it on the end

so seriously can we remove cTele already, the existence of -cTele speaks for itself

savageorange wrote:
(I believe that the definition of 'radius' used by Crawl is the top row in this image)

its actually neither
circlelos

anyway so...what's wrong with just having the number, again?

rebthor wrote:Please tell me that this started in GDD. I need a good laugh.

It did.

evilmike wrote:I've always found that arrow thingy unreadable, I just use Z and look at the actual radius. Numbers would be more useful to me here, but even that's not great. A visual indicator on one line is just useless, it doesn't apply to diagonals

Well there's an easy way to fix that!

Spellcasting skill is, if anything, currently underpowered.

you know what's more annoying than seeing your MP jump around? switching weapons every time you want to cast a spell

Amnesiac wrote:I'm surprised that Galefury liked the idea, but I think this game is not such that would allow this kind of mistakes or we need to remove a lot of other dangers. This is a game, where you learn from your mistakes. Next time you'll be careful about this possibility. It's not like this encourages removing all your stuff, it's just the weapon. Anyway it's well in line with other dangers of crawl, even though it's a new feature.

So you think immolation should start destroying scrolls again? That's the same kind of "danger."

will you people please stop making this thread title pop up in 'show unread posts'

some time after the heat death of the universe

I think a slight buff to the worst god in the game is OK

Sandman25 wrote:Or even get to D12, kill a monster, eat some chunks and get back to D11-D8. Some top players do it while going for Hell runes with Trolls where they use late dungeon as chunks source.

no top player would ever do this

You can wield chunks at absolutely any time, as long as they are in your inventory. Press w, then the letter for the chunks. They don't have to appear in the wield menu to be wieldable, and if you want you can make everything appear in the wield menu by pressing w and then *. (Of course, if you know simulacrum and they aren't appearing, then that is a bug and you should report it)

ToME4 has an awful lot of those too, just so you know

You can wield it with no problem. Attacking with it will give you penance, though.

It's not a significant nerf to "casters" (whatever that means to you), honest. It has a noticeable effect on Trog and Ely and barely any effect otherwise.

Code:: neops the Thaumaturge (L10 MuWz), worshipper of Kikubaaqudgha, slain by a minotaur (the cursed -2,-5 hand axe of neops' Instant Death) in a Labyrinth (labyrinth_spiral) on 2012-02-20 12:00:15, with 4369 points after 23083 turns and 1:56:22.

crate wrote:I'm pretty sure you can't banish yourself as a tree either. Because letting people do anything useful as a tree is not what the form is about.

I guess my post wasn't clear enough about this: you can't be banished in tree form in 0.12, but you can be banished in tree form in 0.13.

The correct thing to do in this situation was to not melee a monster that does a couple hundred damage in melee, especially not with your shitty armour. Especially not in front of ice fiends. Especially not with no god. Especially not when you have spriggan speed and apportation and could have just taken the rune and left.

all of tome4's haste abilities are insanely overpowered so there's that

Mottled dragon armour is possibly not the best armour in the game, but it is definitely the best dragon armour in the game IMO.

Speleothing wrote:
prozacelf wrote:I do tend to forget that holy wrath and regular holy damage are different, in which case, yes it is extremely rare. Although I would imagine that any player vulnerability could include holy wrath weapons easily enough.

It's also really really stupid that they are different.

don't forget cleansing flame

ely's healing was special-cased to be halved for djinn, presumably by someone hoping to get the species removed

evilmike wrote:I use both items purely for the convenience. Corpse eating is an annoying part of the game for me and those items make the worst parts of it go away. Therefore I don't like this suggestion because it's just going to make a bad part of the game worse. It's not going to fix anything.

The way corpse eating works in this game is fundamentally bad, and attempting to make it more "significant" is not going to have a positive effect. The better approach is to find a way to remove corpse eating (except for ghouls, vampires, trolls, etc) and instead rely on perma food, without completely breaking the game. This would not be easy.

Mummies pretty much have the best food mechanic in DCSS.

fixed

once i tried playing crawl when i was high (recovering from anaesthesia, nothing illicit) and i died to a ghost moth in a zig

I don't see how there's an issue at all. Characters with no spells wielding bread rations make weak ghosts too, do you want to change that?

mumra wrote:
minmay wrote:The planned future version doesn't involve a piety system or conducts?

I was referring to "Xom-like creating monsters adjacent to you (often with 40+ HD) every few hundred turns.".

But then of course you already knew that and are just being intentionally obtuse; so, whatever.

Hardly, I'm trying to make you get the freaking point which you obviously don't, which is that it's exactly like other Crawl gods. Not only does it have all the usual god mechanics in the game, my impression is that it's actually less unique than most other gods since its conducts are pretty typical (kill stuff, minimize turncount) and the planned reward for it (item gifts based mostly on piety gain) is pulled straight from Okawaru/Sif. You can rattle off about the flavour all day but if the only reason you can say "it's not a god" is that it says so in the ^ screen, and the only reason you can say it's not god gifts is that you see "You kill the dude" instead of "Okawaru grants you a gift," I'm going to say it's an awful lot like a god.

I have no idea what most of those tiles are, but usually if you are in tree form and there is anything dangerous around, you will die unless you either polymorph yourself again (which could still be very bad but no other form is as bad as tree form), or banish yourself (only possible in 0.13).

Maybe because swiftness doesn't involve haste or slow or paralysis or teleportation?

mumra wrote:
minmay wrote:mumra is just trying to make you go away. It's exactly like other gods, complete with a piety meter, conducts, and Xom-like creating monsters adjacent to you (often with 40+ HD) every few hundred turns. Really the only unique thing aside from the flavour fluff in the ^ screen is that you're not allowed to renounce religion.

This is why comparisons to the current branch aren't helpful.

The planned future version doesn't involve a piety system or conducts?

mumra is just trying to make you go away. It's exactly like other gods, complete with a piety meter, conducts, and Xom-like creating monsters adjacent to you (often with 40+ HD) every few hundred turns. Really the only unique thing aside from the flavour fluff in the ^ screen is that you're not allowed to renounce religion.

MoogleDan wrote:(though ideally not at the same time; attacking 20 tiles at once would just be goofy)?

Considering you'd still have to use a scythe to do it, probably not a balance issue

Why are you polluting official development resources with this? You've already been told by a developer that it's not an issue.

I run away because if I have to hope that something works, then it doesn't have a high enough chance of working to not be a completely stupid thing to do.

khalil wrote:@galehar
Have I been playing it wrong or something?

yes

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