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Thank you. No, I am not going to try the necro challenge in this life - I find it too boring, there too many enemies resistant to necromancy in game. But Rapigel seems to have complete it recently, you can find the topic in the character build forum. For now, I'm going to play a easy combo, trying t...

The forth tries has been the successful one, hurray! The Snake was a joke, swamp was quite boring because the lack of flying and rune vault layout gives a lot of problems to OoD. The third rune was slimes' one, because I was afraid to be shoot to dead in Vault:8. Rj goes down really quickly with OoD...

In my experience, getting Sif Muna's first gift needs significant time, and there's no guarantee the book is going to be useful at all, so I prefer other background (Cj, elementalist) over Wz, if I'm going to worship her for the presence of spells in starting book which can reliably kill things unti...

Armed with the knowledge that . and f work with spells too, another merry spriggan has started to go down into the dungeon. This fellow has got mixed fortune: a early book shop in D:4 was selling a Book Power, which avoided the wait for Vehumet's aid, and all the boring kiting necessary in Lair and ...

Ok, but DD have normal speed so kiting isn't doable in most situation, and I suppose quicker monster can reliably reach the player before being killed at distance - the same probably is true for pack of normal speed enemies if they notice the player simultaneously, and for really tough/with high hp...

WHAT? Can . be used for spells too? :shock: http://mondorisate.it/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/Third-party-facepalm.jpg I seriously need to read the manual, someday. Every time I need some solution to a problem, it already exists and it's documented here :roll: Three poor spriggan died only for my ign...

Also, why haven't you trained a melee skill at all? Wouldn't be significantly useful having an axe to deal with weaker enemies at close range? No melee because the only sources of healing they allowed themselves was their /healing and !heal wounds and !curing. Having a enemy up in your face with th...

From the bot: Win a pure conjurer: magic dart, IMB, IOOD, no other spells, and no damaging or affecting any monsters with anything else. Although I've only few victories I'm getting quite tired of normal DCSS' games, so like a very masochistic player, I'm trying something different and more difficul...

I'm curious how you've dealt with slimes: has been the sling+stones been enough to descent into the pit and even kill the RJ?
Also, why haven't you trained a melee skill at all? Wouldn't be significantly useful having an axe to deal with weaker enemies at close range?

Anyway, I agree that for any type of character who don't cast necromut, clarity is totally unnecessary, considering that healing pots are most common in the dungeon Yes, except berserkeritis exists, golden eye packs exist, *Rage weapons exist, and mislead exists. Ok, there are other few cases when ...

am I the only person who never wears amulets of clarity? They really aren't needed assuming you have high MR. I'm fairly sure all sources of confusion are resistable, although I'm not positive about hell effects. But all the mob based ones are. The only loss of control effect you can't resist is ey...

Rapigel wrote:Mimics completely resist draining. That case aside, identifying your wands early is good advice.

Whops, I never had to use draining against to mimic, and neither I have bother to check if they're rn+++ :oops:

Well, Identify wand anyway, usually they *can* be lifesaver

Generally speaking, you should identify wands as soon as you find them - against a wall, or a very weak monster. That wand of draining could almost certainly save your life. Teleportation is a good way to escape from constriction, because, like any other form of translocation, always breaks it. Anyw...

I'd add just a couple of advice: never enter Elf with a low MR like yours (somewhat resistant). In that branch enemies who know banishment are quite common, and they need to be only 1 turn in LOS to send you in the Abyss, which is a quite dangerous and nasty place - and it usually is a death sentenc...

I found only few enchant scrolls, which I properly used on my boots, gloves and gda (only +1 or +2, I don't remember). Unfortunately, missing rcorr, yellow draconians happily ruined all my armors xD

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I know this is a basic combo, but it has been my first time trying Yred and I have to say how much powerful is the Dark One! All Carry the black torch! Combined with the awesomeness of Mi, this game has been a joke (with the exception of Zot:5), I've never tabbed a game like this one! Yred is doubtl...

I'd like the removal of ammo enchantment, which is utterly annoying - as long as mulching and increased damage are considered in some other ways. Unless something changed in trunk, auto-pickup just picks up the stuff you shot, not more ammo. You still have to pick up more ammo on your own. Though re...

Wonderful artwork, I'm waiting for the other twenty three

I believe that at least the number of generated items increases according zig's level; this indirectly means that it's more probable to find something useful in lower levels (but again, if a character can clear a medium-difficult lv2X zig level, he doesn't actually need to find anything)

Your opening post has made me laugh a lot :lol: Why are you preferring Ce over Sp? I believe the latter are much better for this challenge (and most of others) : they are faster and have better apts - sneak helps a lot against every enemy you can't kill :P Anyway good luck, you have choose a quite t...

One stair is surely a mimic

Btw, it's very thoughtful that the dungeon overview doesn't spoiler which one is the real one

mageykun is right: I could already cast blink and flight, so those two properties were useless. But yes, regen and rc+ are still nice even for a squishy FE

Some recent finds: amulet of Wariusk {Gourm rElec rF++} ring "Zius" {rF+ rC+ MR SInv} ring "Noigi" {Regen +Blink +Lev rC+} The last two have been found by the same character, too bad he's a DEFE, so he can't fully appreciate the benefits of the otherwise awesome latter ring :mrgr...

Congrats on the win, but... Nago: Holy longbow is apparently the best weapon in extended. Also, don't know if you've read this post or not. I know that well, I've a 15runes CeHu victory too, and holy longbow is totally broken :D . I was talking about the OP's question, namely if it's worthy to use ...

I quote all that has been said before, except one thing: if you are going to extended game, DON'T bless a demon trident, but bless a bardiche! Even if you have trained shield a lot, there's no reason to use them in Pan/Hells/Tomb: you won't be able to block the main sources of damage in those places...

From my experience, a blessed longbow is far better than a bardiche whether considering raw damage or the possibility to attack every point in LOS. Oh, I'd never use an unenchanted hide (you have 4 scrolls which are or recharging or enchant armour, try them!) and I'd never use an GDA with so low str...

I don't know if branches' end can count as vault, but for me one of the most irritating thing present in DCSS is the shopping centre ending for the Vaults (no object on the ground, only some gold and shops are generated) Every time, I've got only 4-6 shops selling the finest crap possible. Heck, vau...

For the armour, gda would be the best Ugh, no, even with 27 strength. Being able to cast Haste is a lot better than having a little bit of extra AC and resistances, especially on a character that already has all the resistances they could ever need ever. (for the same reason, don't wear the plate u...

I suggest too the artefact barding, the +6 dam and the resistances are much more useful than a plain +4ac, especially in the end/extended game. For the armour, gda would be the best - but you probably could consider it only if you find find some awesome randart with +str or a pile of 6 gain strength...

the amulet "Soluungeu" (around neck) {Cons rElec rF++} (You acquired it in a tomb) and I'm a ghoul of Kiku, so I don't need either rmut or faith 8-) . It's going to be useful until the end-game, unless I splat in a lousy YASD - which is really probable, considering I've another scroll of a...

Quick advice: adjust dangerous spell like DDoor and Bjorg (the key is "=") to a Upper Case Letter, so it's much more unlike to cast them for a mistake!

I don't know if it's only my impression or a incredible (and almost unbreakable) streak of lucky finding, or there's really some check on the current character before generating the loot, but I usually find really useful gear in Lab that I can use the entire game, so I believe that it's always worth...

That's by far the worst set of mutations i've ever seen! I've never thought someone could get so bad mutated unless deliberately scumming them , for some obscure and masochist reason! :lol: been there, seen it all Well, this is an awful set of mutations too, but there are some nice ones too, so I w...

Finally I've got my first 15 TSO character victory (my 14-runes MfBe forgot to pick up the fiery rune :roll:)! I've rolled a hunter, to try something different from the usual melee combat and I've discovered that ranged combat is simply amazing and overpowered. It's really much more stronger than me...

Yes, constriction is a non trivial damage for melee character, as bypass their usual defence (ac, ev and sh) but it isn't *so* dangerous after all, because it deals increasing damage over time, starting with a quite low output, so there are usually a lot of turns to face the situation. As already sa...

That's by far the worst set of mutations i've ever seen! I've never thought someone could get so bad mutated unless deliberately scumming them , for some obscure and masochist reason! :lol:

the +14 gold dragon armour of Ideotac (worn) {rPois rF+ rC+ MR SInv Stlth++}: it's the first time I'm playing a character with 0 ev :lol:

but as long as enemies' blows deal very little damage, the impossibility of dodging isn't a big issue!

Not sure if this has been pointed out yet, but the vorpal multiplier bonus for ranged launchers is actually 20%, not 30%. Also, it looks like the vorpal bonus stacks with the ammo brand bonus. (+30% for steel, +40% for frost/flame) Additionally, a blessed launcher seems to increase damage to undead...

Thanks for all the information :D : so it seems that a holy longbow is effectively the better weapon for stronger enemies in extended game (namely with a lot of ac and resistances). Unfortunately I can't use any-more this knowledge with my former CeHu - I violated one fundamental law of DCSS: never ...

...whoops. Velocity ≠ Speed Velocity = Vorpal Yeah, that's not something I'll accidentally mix up, nope, not at all. Well, don't worry: most (including ranged) weapons can have speed brand only if artefact, so it's a *really* unlikely situation to consider. Ce + holy longbow > Ce + holy bardiche. S...

Gentlemen, please: we're talking about serious things here: a bow of speed , not a bow of velocity! In other word, double attack speed for 90% damage :D Therefore, the question isn't so banal, because a longbow of holy wrath would do a +75% damage against vulnerable, and the base attack between bow ...

I'm really enjoying my last character: a CeHu of Oka. After playing some CeHu, I don't know why ranged combat is so unpopular! Yes, its damage output is one of great mystery of DCSS, but it's like using a hyper conjurer who doesn't have to bother with mp :lol: After I've splatted some CeHu with some...

Ok, this isn't a unrandart but I think that finding +8,+8 bow of Krishna "Sharnga" speed, dex+3 sinv as a CeHu (!) on D:6 (!!!!) still deserves a mention here!

Talking of fun and luck, my last CeHu has found on D:4 the cursed +9 chain mail "Buyteoh" (worn) {Str+3 Dex-3 Curse} and a +2 centaur barding (!) and, incredibly, on D:6 the +8,+8 bow of Krishna "Sharnga" speed, dex+3 sinv (!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!). I've never been *so* lucky in dunge...

Thanks! You're not only a speed-run machine, but a living Knowledge Bot for dungeon crawl :lol:

I'm currently rolling a CeHu, as I've never used ranged combat and I want to try something different. Therefore, I'd like to know which weapon is the best among bow, longbow and crossbow, and why! Relating to this question, which brand is the best on a ranged weapon? I've read that vorpal strangely ...

In my opinion, Sif Muna's wrath is by far the worst in the game. The worst effects of her wrath can be enough to kill you - you're going to be affect by two kind of confusion: the first one, which come with mana drain (a quite bad effect alone) is resistible, the other one is NOT (and being confused...

First of all, some suggestions regarding spells: as already said, Necromut is really useful in the most difficult floors (pan's lord and mummy). Maass abj is surely useful, but generally enemies able to summon greater demons are already dangerous on their own, so in ziggurats is usually better to ke...

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