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IMO caustic shrikes would be more appropriate for Zot than Depths, considering that they are more dangerous than almost anything pre-extended

IMO the best way to distinguish long blades from M&F (the other weapon type that does not have a gimmick) would be to make M&F do higher damage, but special-case them to have slower minimum delay, similar to what is done with crossbows; this would naturally make M&F better against high AC.

This would encourage startscumming for anyone who isn't aiming for maximum win % - eg, start as a MfSk, you really want a polearm but due to this proposal you have to start with a rapier. If you don't find a spear on D:1, quit the game and try again until you do.

I like wood.

Oh sorry, wrong forum.

Just give me a melee weapon that bypasses shields.

Maybe gargoyles should be removed because they have -20% HP and better torment resistance.

I found a ring with rF++, rC++ and *corrode - it would be really useful as I'm lacking in resistances, but does the *corrode make it worthless?

How much corrosion does it cause each time it triggers, and does it bypass rCorr?

I don't think draconians are weak, but Zot 1-4 does generally seem a bit anticlimactic compared to V5 and lower Depths, unless you meet early OOFs, which is always a possibility. Draconian packs can suddenly get much more dangerous if a moth of wrath starts berserking them or a shifter blinks its al...

I'd say that it partly depends on species - Freeze is quite risky for a fragile species like DE because you have to stand next to the monster and let it hit you if you don't kill it with one cast, but is less risky for something tougher like Dr, similarly the self-damage from pain can be dangerous i...

im not trying to be offensive here or anything but, could someone please translate what onget is saying? i can't understand anything that he/she just said...other than the lethal poisoning which tends to happen to him/her often, which also used to happen to me for a little while when i started play...

A lot of early game frustration can happen because of those times when you try to run away but are unable to do so, eg because the enemy confuses/paralyses you, or it's faster than you, or it's a centaur, or it's the first monster you meet on D1 and there's nowhere to run to.

Don't forget, magic dart is affected by AC so if an early monster is wearing chainmail or a weapon of protection, it's very hard to do any damage to it. In this case it's almost certainly a better idea to leave the level and come back and kill it later (or never.) (An early monster with good armour ...

Remove non-healing and damage shaving, reduce their HP and change their name to Mountain Dwarves.

Vaults is a pretty fun branch usually, also the first rune branch can be fun/challenging as well. If anything, going to Depths with 2 runes and V:1-4 cleared is usually a mostly trivial experience despite Depths featuring some of the most dangerous monsters in the game. I generally find the opposit...

But if an enemy's shield of reflection reflects your spell and it hits an ally, then AFAIK they will turn hostile. Had a "hilarious" situation recently, where I was worshipping Fedhas, I created an oklob plant which fired at Louise. Louise's shield of reflection reflected the acid, hitting...

I haven't seen the dire elephant ending for ages; I was beginning to think it had been removed for being spoilery.

IMO, the most dangerous ending is the demonic one, though the spriggan one can be quite nasty if you don't have a way of quickly dealing with the druids.

My VpEn stabbed the royal jelly to death in one hit, but it still spawned 16 jellies to surround me - I teleported out, but only after taking a lot of damage.

AFAIK, the elemental staff is pretty good if you have a lot of evocations, but I've never had the chance to use it myself.

All else being equal, I prefer freezing cloud because the slowing effect on cold blooded creatures give it additional power against quite a few monsters including draconians in Zot.

I was thinking of posting a thread saying almost exactly the same thing as the OP about Wz starting stats - except that IMO, Cj and the elementalist backgrounds should have the stat distribution that wizards do currently.

I would have thought DD would have been best for mega-zigs; the lack of healing shouldn't matter with Makhleb, and you'll probably have plenty of scrolls of recharging for wands of heal wounds by the time you go to mega-zigs. You also have damage shaving which reduces the damage from even irresistib...

Similar to wanderer, but is guaranteed to start with a random book and no weapon/combat skills.

Do they no longer get camouflage giving them a bonus to stealth?

Also, I was thinking just as much of the +4 stealth aptitude which is kind of useful for keeping them alive and is "wasted" if you worship Qazlal.

Octopode of Qazlal wouldn't be my choice, as one of Op's advantages is stealth, which you lose with Qazlal. Maybe I'd swap with Demonspawn, since Ds have great Invocation apt, which would be good for using Qazlal's powers, and Fedhas's ability to make water could work well for Op...

AFAIK, plain arrows would be better than arrows of frost vs OOF, since elemental ammo damage is completely resistible and OOF have rC+

Just about to go to Zot 5 with a VpEn, and I'm wondering if doing (or at least starting) the orb run in bat form would be a good idea or a terrible one… It has the advantage of speed, so less opportunities for nasty things to spawn, but if something does come up, I'll have to waste time transforming...

I thought of making an evocations-focussed character with the intention of going to Dis and using the staff of Dispater for maximum hellfire damage - Makhleb is the obvious god choice because you can regain the HP you spend casting hellfire.

Furthest I ever got with it was getting killed in Dis.

I guess good HP, full availability of armour slots and normal or fast movement speed are all good. Vulnerabilty to some kinds of damage (eg holy) is bad Good int is good if you want to cast level 9 spells Good str is good if you want to wear medium/heavy armour. Aptitudes don't matter so much becaus...

You could say the same for allied demon kills and Makhleb HP regen (and angels with TSO). I guess the point is that if the servitor kills lots of things, then you didn't need to spend so many MP, which is kind of the same as getting them back.

I'm guessing he means Poison Arrow

Why would you need to get firestorm online early? You could go through the whole of extended + at least one standard zig before attempting mega-zigs, so you could train UC or whatever early and still have plenty of XP to get firestorm for zigs. Getting enough int migh be more of a problem, especiall...

Something else that's quite annoying is that Fedhas doesn't protect your mushrooms etc from exploding giant spores (though he does protect them from other explosions eg LRD.) - which means that the giant spore ability is pretty much unusable because the risk of hitting your other minions is too grea...

Not sure how much take-up you'll get on this if you're insisting on choosing gods as part of the combo; many players would prefer to choose gods depending on what altars they find early in the dungeon.

Wretched stars or something else in the abyss?

Edit: actually I mean ancient zymes.

I'd say HOFi would be one of the best characters to go with Qazlal, you have good weapon and armour apts, also great invocations, good HP, and the things you have mediocre apts for are mostly things you won't need to train anyway, eg stealth and ranged weapons.

Earth elementals are meant to be pretty good against OOF as they are immune to fire. (Disclaimer: I haven't tried this myself, just repeating what I've read elsewhere…)

Would that mean felids could use them?

If you make armour from Xtahua's hide, it should gain this property.

You might also want to think about Iron Shot and Freezing Cloud, as DE aptitudes/int and Vehumet's wizardry bonus make it very easy to branch out into other elements.

Title says it all really; when playing a ghoul of Kiku, do you think it is better to use claws as the primary melee attack, or get a fast pain branded weapon which will mean you will need to invest more skill in necromancy and less in weapon skill. Quick blades are rare enough that you can't assume ...

If anything, gargoyles should be unable to leave ghosts because of the whole thing where Yred hates them because they are nonliving and not subject to death or undeath.

bel wrote:I found one in Zot:5 and opened it without thinking. Was not a pleasant experience.

I've just read magic mapping on Zot:5 and found one of these; I think it's going to remain firmly shut.

Most of the things that can banish you can also kill you, which is generally even more of a death sentence.

Fan of gales might have worked as it knocks monsters away, though I'm not sure how much the strength of the wind blast depends on evocations.

Have you already found the Slime entrance? If not, it might be behind the runed door, in which case there will probably be lots of nasty jellies behind it, and you shouldn't open it unless you are going to do Slime. In general, I tend to leave runed doors, mean to go back for them later when I'm mor...

You may want to train magic skills a bit more than what you need to get an "acceptable" chance of failure because getting drained or your int reduced can have a big effect if you only just have enough.

If I use Sunlight (Fedhas ability) to try to get rid of some of the water in Shoals, will the water just come back when the tides change?

Damage does continue to increase after reaching min delay, but the effect is less noticeable so it's often considered not worth it compared to training other things.

Post by goodplayer purporting to give advice but actually a boast about how good they are.

Sometimes you want to leave silent spectres alive because they can stop many monsters casting as well as you. They actually make some floors much easier as long as you have melee skills.

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