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Eh, I just dislike EV. With the way my luck tends to work I prefer to take things out of luck's hands as much as possible. EDIT: Also, I wouldn't say you ALWAYS have to upgrade to better armor. I wouldn't advise every caster to wear full plate or something like that. Honestly, a good mottled or stea...

Sandman25 wrote:
Knight9910 wrote:If I try to fight an Orb of Fire without at least rF+ then I deserve to get killed in one shot, don't I?

Ok, thank you for discussion. You encouraged me to do some wizmode testing and I learned something new from it.

Mind sharing?

If I try to fight an Orb of Fire without at least rF+ then I deserve to get killed in one shot, don't I?

If my choices are "I can cast spells easy but I die in two hits" or "I can cast spells almost as easy and also survive a fistfight" I think the answer is clear.

Of course, by the time you've got your armor level up to 15 or even just 6 you should have much better than +0 Ring Mail. Do you still believe that "Even a +0 Ring Mail is better than your +2 Robe."? :) Perhaps for a Str 20+ character who does not care about spells and hasn't found a chai...

Of course, by the time you've got your armor level up to 15 or even just 6 you should have much better than +0 Ring Mail.

Strictly speaking, if by "viable" we mean "possible to win with" then I think all characters would count. I mean, people managed to win with jesters. If that's possible, then... Also, Sandman, thanks for proving my point for me. Your +2 robe gives +4 AC. +0 Ring Mail gives +5, an...

you seem to believe that everyone should play a balanced "hybrid" who has 17 Dodging with weak spells and weapon not at min delay.. And you seem to believe that casters have to be squishy pipsqueaks who spam magic darts and run screaming for the hills if an enemy looks at them funny. Why ...

So you use a character whose defenses you intentionally neglected to prove your point about how hard it is to get good defenses?

Ah, the days when you could get infinite demonic runes... what actually WAS the record, exactly? I've heard it was over 250.

Ah, thank you. Also, progress report! Lehudib's Crystal Spear is freakin' tech. I just one-shotted a Titan. Found a minivault in the depths that had books with LCS, Shatter, and Orb of Destruction in them and I've been trying them out. (Though I have used OOD before on other characters, this is one ...

That trick, hitting the / key to set items not to pick up... is that command different in tiles?

TSO cares about inflicting poison. That's it. The poison spell school means nothing to him, as long as you don't use it to inflict poison.

Quite. Sadly I didn't have that spell.

I've discovered Ashenzari is a VERY good god to have on your side if you get abyssed (got abyssed by an enemy on Elf:3). He helpfully showed me several gates further in and the one out. Also, I am sad. The third (I think) gate I took deeper in dropped me right next to the Abyssal Rune, but I was una...

I've been playing this game for years. I'm pretty sure I've played more characters than just one single gargoyle earth elementalist. So yeah, I do know what I'm talking about when I say that, overall, the shoals are much harder than the other lair branches. I mean, not counting slime pits, of course.

Krakens are most often to be found in deep water, which will make them rare to find for characters who have to stick to land. They're also kind of difficult to finish off, due to their tendency to spray ink and run when they're hurt.

The idea as presented has two huge problems with it. 1. Twins who always spawn together and when one dies the other gets buffed? Why are you trying to recreate Dowan and Duvessa, only not as good? 2. An early game unique with endgame spells but a failure rate is a terrible idea. It turns the battle ...

I do want to make it clear, I'm not hating on the shoals. Actually, I kind of like them. They're easily the most unique branch out there. The Greco-Roman theme is really cool. (Why don't more branches have themes like that? Tomb is Egyptian, but that's about it.) Krakens are at least ten types of aw...

Admittedly this has been a very lucky playthrough. I got abyssed on D:5 which would normally be a death sentence, but I happened to appear only a short ways away from a gate out, which Ashenzari almost immediately pointed out to me, and then I was able to reach said gate before getting swarmed by mo...

That ring mail is only adding +12 to my AC. A +2 robe would add +4 AC. So if I was wearing your robe instead I would be at 36, NOT 25. Also, did you miss me saying I had dragon hides? If I hadn't found that lucky ring mail I would have enchanted one of them. I could easily be sitting at 40 (+0 Mottl...

Also good to know.

Which means that he really should not be having that much trouble with this. How does a player on the top scores list have no idea how to get AC on a caster, and no idea why he needs rPois for the swamp? I think Bart can answer you better but I encourage you to think about +2 aptitude for Earth, +1...

Which means that he really should not be having that much trouble with this. How does a player on the top scores list have no idea how to get AC on a caster, and no idea why he needs rPois for the swamp?

Good idea, SAR.

Using an amnesia scroll to unlearn sandblast would also get the game to stop auto-picking all the stones I come across. Those things are seriously cluttering my inventory and at this point the only time I ever even use sandblast is when I want to get rid of stones.

I'm wearing a nice little +5 artefact ring mail. Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.14.0 (tiles) character file. Xone the Earth Mage (Gargoyle Earth Elementalist) Turns: 76789, Time: 08:07:31 HP 107/107 AC 44 Str 15 XL: 19 Next: 2% MP 48/50 EV 11 Int 28 God: Ashenzari [******] Gold 1981 SH 2 Dex 12 ...

I just had to laugh a little at the subject line. I've known this game cheats for quite a while.

-snip- Well, apparently I'm a million times better than you too because I have no idea what you're talking about. If you're using bolt spells only in Spider then you're doing it wrong. I went through that entire branch using LRD almost exclusively and I didn't get swarmed and die horribly, which yo...

It usually gives me three, but yeah. It will give you a random collection of curse scrolls, choosing from Curse Armor, Curse Jewelry, and Curse Weapon.

...feel like they should probably consolidate those into a single scroll, especially now that they're never found in the wild.

I think I took that dump before I changed my manual training. Right now it looks more like this: Skills: + Level 7.6 Fighting Level 0.3 Short Blades Level 3.7 Maces & Flails + Level 9.6 Staves + Level 7.3(10.4) Armour - Level 6.0(9.1) Dodging - Level 3.1 Stealth - Level 1.8 Unarmed Combat + Leve...

By the traditional definition of "normal" it would be what most people do. I don't think so. It's definition depend of society, where it used. For me, "normal" - it is how it should be, not how it is. There are many maniacs, psychopaths and rapists in the world, there are a lot ...

Here's the thing about hydrae. They're dangerous if you encounter them in the lair, while you're still low level and probably lack a means to take them on. By the time you get into the swamp they're nothing. They have no ranged ability whatsoever, so any caster or ranger who can do enough damage to ...

Bart wrote:while spiders are more difficult for spellcasters.

I really don't see how. Maybe a GrEE is simply different from other spellcasters, but I obliterated the spider nest with little trouble.

I would actually like to see a few more late game gods in the same vein as Jiyva.

The moon trolls thank you, a_i.

By the traditional definition of "normal" it would be what most people do. By that respect, I think "normal" would be "die somewhere around halfway through possibly with one or two runes." ...that said, three runes is the bare minimum for a win, and for the average play...

Going into the spider nest on my GrEE, I was originally worried about ghost moths sapping my MP, or tarantellas confusing me, or orb spiders spamming orbs of destruction at me. Then I realized I could one-or-two-shot all of those with Lee's Rapid Deconstruction. The only enemy that actually posed a ...

So, is it just me, or are the Shoals WAY more difficult than the Swamp? Overall threats in the swamp seem much weaker, and you pretty much know what to expect - poison resistance handles most everything and on Swamp:5 you'll want either fire or ice resist depending on which branch ending you get. Sh...

I've found the Shoals to be relatively difficult on my GrEE. On the one hand I do have the benefit of flight to help me move over the water. On the downside, I keep getting swarmed by merfolk impalers and javeliners, there's very few walls which makes LRD much less useful, and these wind drakes keep...

I don't have much time, logging in at a public library but they'll find me soon anyway. I spoke to Linley to get to the bottom of this. Wish I could unlearn what I know. The council of the 27 have been trying to keep him quiet. The mountain dwarves found out, that's why they had to go. Dpeg was a p...

Actually, you're wrong, and_into. We don't think it's odd because our minds are small or closed off. Actually, it's exactly the opposite. As you said, multiples of 10 are boring and predictable. Any tiny, simplistic mind could decide to include 30 of something. It's easy, obvious, almost like a knee...

Kaeoschassis wrote:So getting back to the importance of 27, it's really, genuinely the case that nobody besides the original creator actually knows why 27?

As far as we know. I mean, I suppose someone could ask. Linley can't be that hard to find, right?

Sar wrote:because it doesn't say anything about content quality.

Which is why I added the second line.

I'm of the opinion that more content is better than less content.

Well, maybe I should say more GOOD content. But still.

Preferably after playing a few GrEE's and not just one, please. And then maybe throw in a few other Gr's and a few other EE's to add some perspective. Good idea. I want the guide to be as accurate as possible. Airstrike? And this is an example of why I should play more than one GrEE before writing ...

I actually have used the "LRD on self" trick a few times in the orc mines, when I get surrounded away from walls, and I have to say it isn't that bad. I mean, I obviously wouldn't want to use it in Zot or Pandemonium or someplace dangerous like that, but in orc? It kills everything around ...

Ooh, that webchat query trick is nice. I like it.

Another important thing to know is that, unlike in Brogue, only intelligent monsters can open doors. If you see something you don't want to deal with, close the door and wait for it to come to you/run away/leave it there if it is unintelligent. The one exception to this is jellies. 'Course, they do...

Found this as well, with regards to the Mercenary Card

It is a durable summon, which means that it is worth no experience, can't be abjured, can't time out, and doesn't leave any equipment behind.

So that's what it means.

I've also found that Gargoyle's can cast LRD on themselves to damage all surrounding enemies at the cost of a little bit of their own HP which is... an interesting tactic, I suppose. So far I've never been in a situation where I've even so much as considered it...

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