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Not sure what you think makes nightstalker sucky, but assuming it's that nightstalker (1) makes gameplay slower (2) makes ally tactics dumber (3) makes some positioning decisions dumber, since your ranged spells are now full LOS (4) allows more guaranteed sneaking around monsters whose position you ...

Maybe give scry to Oka? (1) Oka is bland, but not so bland that ze'll ever get removed (2) both have some synergy with ranged combat (3) makes sense thematically (something something Oka improves your tactics by something) I could imagine giving Ash's monster-detection to Chei. It would be very usef...

Leaving aside the memeology.... If a mechanic is good, it should not be restricted to a fixedart. If a mechanic is (interesting but (unbalanceable or (powerful and annoying to use))) or (interesting only for novelty), then it is appropriate for a fixedart. So, are there any mechanics that are on a f...

Without Quazafuji's suggestion, this would allow cheesery such as used to be possible with Projected Noise. On the other hand, Q's suggestion would introduce some weird edge cases (OoD collisions, Conjure Ball Lightning).

I'd drop the casting under silence bit as long as the player spell exists.

Contra earlier posters, I think summon pawns is OP if anything. Summon butterflies is already extremely good, and its main weakness is that butterflies move too much to be predictable meatshields.

Anyway I like all of this a lot.

The active abilities are interesting and might make good hexes spells or a nice active ability for Dithmenos or something (as part of the "make spell-less stabbers viable" campaign that doesn't exist but should). The passives will make balancing harder and will only be interesting where th...

I'm afraid you misunderstood how LOS works in this game... Au contraire, OP was careful to say "vision radius", not LoS. That said, casting blindly sounds as annoying as invisible monsters, so the range of all targetable effects should decrease to 1. Summons should not attack things you c...

Just need to hold out a little longer. The Trumpists are driven by the realization that they and their children will soon be unnecessary. Right now that is folding into class warfare against the educated and foreigners, both of which can still be profitably employed. In 40 years, when all human labo...

For me hellcrawl is better, largely due to foodlessness (the game flows much better without it).

Disclaimer: I've only played OP characters in hellcrawl (e.g. HOfoo, fooBE). It's possible that some characters that are fun but weak (like DEFE) have become too hard. But I know nothing about that.

Your argument doesn't address the [I]difference [\i]between "BLT sandwich" and "hotdog sandwich". BLT is synecdoche as well.

Compare ⋅ "BLT sandwich": It sounds redundant, but you would not interpret it as anything other than a BLT ⋅ "Hotdog sandwich"" You know exactly what this means, and it is not a standard-configuration hotdog Ergo, a hotdog is not a sandwich. Obviously a...

I like this game!

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I particularly enjoy saying kiku's name, which is KEEkoobaKOOguh

Tactical cost: turn: This is about really short durations. I disagree with your assessment. Let's look at the most extreme version: the effect lasts a single turn. That means you have to use it right away. You spend exactly one turn to power up your next action. If all charms had this, you couldn't...

An ok substitute for ion_frigate's substitute for invisibility would be ambushes: a bunch of enemies are spawned around the edges of LOS, or spawned just outside it but heading towards your square. (Off topic, but if this was implemented you could make it trigger on seeing the iron rune and replace ...

What about: ⋅ Under your stats is displayed your "Default Attack" ⋅ When you tab, you use your Default Attack with the auto-targeter or move closer if out of range ⋅ Default Attack is chosen with the p key, which (as pollen gollem pointed out forever ago) i...

Remove ammo. If people are choosing gods for their ammo gifts (and they are, even if its not optimal it makes ranged far more pleasant) then it has become much more important than it deserves to be.

Sprucery wrote:Of course the correct solution is to remove the hides and make the monsters drop pieces of armour instead

The name "hides" is better than the name "armour" because it is easier to search for.

The current hide --> armour behavior is interesting and good, because it gives the player the option to sacrifice a long-term strategic resource for what may only be a medium term armor improvement. If dragons&trolls change to dropping amours, many characters will automatic follow the troll -->...

Give dragon and troll skins the same stats as the corresponding armours, then remove the armours. Also make dragons and trolls sometimes drop their skins upon death instead of requiring butchering. This is mostly simplicity for simplicity's sake, but the current situation is kind of spoily. For exam...

Not quite: even if there were a pack monster with chain lightning and relec, it would still be more dangerous to fight them in a group than to fight them 1 on 1

EDIT: that said, a pack enemy with weak chain lightning could be the best approximation that doesn't introduce new mechanics

The mention of Duvessa has reminded me of other important removals: - Remove monster invisibility - Remove allies (Watered-down version: remove all permanent allies) - Remove reaching (or at least remove it for monsters (or at least arrange things so that every monster type either always has reachin...

Looking forward to playing this! Here are some other nice things to remove if you feel like it:
Remove poison magic
Remove confusion
Remove ammo
Remove all ranged sources of poison usable by the player

VeryAngryFelid wrote:Then I have a question. If Lair entrance might be guarded by Caustik Shrike, would you move it up in your list?

Not OP but answer is definitely "yes"

Not only did they beat the last record by two levels, but it looks like the old one stood for a pretty long time....

Also I like the Fermat-esque note at the end of the run

If they're not supposed to be swaps anyway, could make 6 rings instead of 3. Or randomize the weighting between e.g. AC and slaying, similarly to what is done for the faery dragon armour.

Crawl gameplay is basically about killing things. You don't have to kill everything, but that's the deal. Counterpoint: Crawl is a game about running away, even if you spend most of your time killing things. When Elyvilon got pacification, I had intended as *one* option as pacifist playing style. I...

aaa, God of Inaction ⋅ Appreciates: Seeing monsters ⋅ Depreciates: Harming monsters (i.e. decreasing their hp) ⋅ Active abilities: None, duh ⋅ Inactive abilites: ⋅ Gain xp when you see an individual monster for the first time, proportional to t...

I'd go with the slaying, particularly since resistances suffer diminishing returns.

Combining some of the ideas/goals already mentioned, and disregarding balance entirely: ⋅ Every time you move from one level to another (including shafting, portals, stairs and hatches) all consumables that you are carrying, all consumables that you have seen, and all consumables in shops...

Is base accuracy doing anything interesting? If not, it would be good to remove it, regardless of the interface issue. That does close off some of the design space (e.g. extra-accurate or inaccurate weapons), but this seems like a pretty boring space - spriggan's knife and sure blade were removed fo...

A god with only passive "abilities" is somewhat distinctive, and maybe shouldn't be messed with. I don't find Veh boring, but I also don't find demigods boring. For me at least Vehumet is currently the "less hassle blasting god" since you don't need to retreat and rest quite as m...

Remove apportion AND make all non-rune items in LOS move towards the player at the speed of a slowed crystal guardian

Meta-observation:. I've TAed a bunch of math, and my biggest takeaway is that when you're confused, it is very important to ask yourself "what do these words even mean?" The reason people don't do this, and aren't taught to do this, is that the answer is often very difficult! Real numbers ...

I would play this for burning away popcorn alone. I remember a while ago there was talk about making a god on this basis, but a species (or even a spell) that made it work would be dope. BTW I think it would be better to go with equipment swapping at armour speed rather than everything swapping at w...

Poison magic is better than earth, since with earth you have to wait for a staff of earth, but with poison the staff of poison OR the staff of Olgreb will do.

Remove keepaway, give 'em blink instead. It doesn't make any thematic sense but OoD + blink in a monster is fun.

There is "decoupling from UC" and there is "decoupling from melee altogether". The second would be more interesting, regardless of whether these are god abilities or spells. Forms already have the niche of "charms that you can only have one of at a time, and which typically ...

You should only be able to enter pan one time and all the floors you need for the runes should generate within five levels. People think, erroneously, that the thing about pan is that it's this big infinite funland to explore, but actually its thing is that if you don't get the named panlord runes ...

Honestly didn't occur to me that you don't need to use the quiver menu for needles. Insofar as discoverability is part of interface design, this supports my case that needles have a worse interface. I am only 40% being sarcastic.

I'm in favor of this just so wizard would have the same starting stats as the other mages. Obviously this is not the only way to accomplish that.

Agree that vamp can be too strong on some weapons. Alternate fix: prevent vampiric brand on two-handed weapons.

(Extreme fix: prevent multiplicative brands on two handers and additive brands on one handers. Dagger of elec is also too strong)

needles have a much more annoying interface much more? I can think of 3 needle-related interface annoyances: 1. needing to wield a blowgun 2. ammo not always mulching 3. you can miss (therefore your chance of success = chance of hitting x chance of beating HD/MR, which is more complicated) 1-2 are ...

Fair point, probably don't want to buff summon-stabbing. Maybe "haven't noticed you" stabbing should just be moved into tier 2 or tier 3, and leave formulas the same. EDIT: Actually, it's just weird that you get bigger stab bonuses for being invisible than for a monster just not knowing th...

I don't think those are too significant here: in my experience the main problem with pure stabbing is just monsters in LOS waking up (and howler monkeys + alarm traps are fun). If there isn't enough evokable invisability I'd prefer increasing the spawn rate of cloaks of invisability, but that still ...

General idea is increase the power and success probability of stabs against mobs that are distracted or haven't noticed you, particularly in the early game. Proposed formulas: Assuming the wiki is correct, * increase the damage output of tier-4 stabs so that it is equal to tier-3 stabs. * Increase t...

Give As a book containing nothing but swiftness and passwall. Who needs reliability when you have escape options?

Suppose you're following Lugonu and can now brand a weapon with distortion. Which weapon to brand? Probably the answer is "whatever weapon you are already using," but there are some more plausibilites. Maybe you should trade down to a weapon with lower min delay? If you're only going for a...

Good proposal, but can we drop wand of teleportation too? Scrolls of tele have all the same properties except use while silenced and ability to get more from a recharge scroll/Pak, and both of those properties arguably makes the game worse.

Solution is to remove needles, which have a much more annoying interface, and replace wand of enslavement with wand of frenzy.

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