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I have a pre-lair red draconian fire elementalist with access to a pain branded demon whip, and also a necronomicon. Should I stop developing fire magic and use the whip? I want to do extended, should I aim for necromutation as well? What amount of necromancy is required to make the whip functional ...

Oh and, I guess I read now that antimagic makes OoF a lot easier. Oka happened to gift me a decent antimagic Giant Club, but OoF seemed pretty easy for this character anyway.

Edit: Nope, That was from a trove.

I started this character out as a sort of novelty character a while ago, and decided to finish him after my 10 rune loss as a morale booster. All points into Str, all skills into throwing, you probably get the idea. Notable achievements include: Taking more than half of an OoF's HP down in one throw...

Died in a zig to multiple pandemonium lords and eyeballs. I didn't really know at all what I was doing. This was my first character with more than 5 runes. I tried stacking Str because I had heard that the effect of stats on weapons had been increased, but I realize in retrospect that Draconians are...

I just lost a 10 rune DrGl (or maybe it was Fi, cant quite remember) from a Multi pan lord zig level so I feel for you. I didn't really know what I was doing but I learned a lot.

Also, on an unrelated note, autocorrect is my worst enema.

I knew someone would take issue with that statement after I posted it. What I am trying to say is, repositioning against foes that are considerably faster than you or can blink around does not work the same way, chei is a fast way to learn this. Running would have probably been fine, so would fighti...

I also notice you said you spent your second action walking away. This may be unorthodox advice but you may benefit from playing a naga or worshipping cheibriados for a bit. Mainly to train you on how foolish it is to walk away from things that are much faster than you and can murder you quickly (no...

VpEn is one of the first combos that I played around with. I had a really hard time when I started with them but going back I find it was mainly my lack of game knowledge. Definitely a unique and fun BG, I also had success with okawaru and makhleb as deities. Have not won yet but I think I have a Vp...

I think it is a lot of fun to play draconian wanderers and just let your starting gear, stats, and your scales color structure your play style. I have not won like this yet but I do not think it would be overly difficult to do so, particularly when it gives you a +3 crossbow.

Frankly I think you could have melted them with your speed potion, battlesphere and fireballs. Your very first action should have been to open your inventory and check your options. I couldn't imagine a worse spell to try to use against jumping spiders than prism, also. It is true that there are cir...

Armor acq is quite good for ogres.. It guarantees something you can at least equip and that is better than 90% of the stuff the dungeon floor offers.

Abyss is not really that bad but the thing to do is take an AK in or switch to Lugonu first. Being able to leave at any time makes it much easier and you can get a handle on what is okay to run from and what should be killed. Stay out of A:5 though... It is a mess.

If you pray at an altar when you have an ineligible weapon equipped, nothing happens. You gain the ability to bless at 6*; it does not need to be maxed.

I don't know for sure, but I highly doubt you could bless more than one weapon per game.

Not too much going on yet. Lots of good mutations. Hooves 3 kicks ass on a character that can't use boots anyway. Found a use for all of Okawaru's crappy randarts - Tukima's Dance. Dancing Giant Clubs are slow but they hit hard and can take a few hits before they fall. Okawaru doesn't seem to mind i...

No idea if it changed, I don't think I've ever eaten a rotten chunk. I think the common understanding of mutations must be flawed somehow. Let me show you an example: You have hooves in place of feet. You are partially covered in iridescent scales (AC +4). You can translocate small distances at will...

Na is not so bad. Remember to abuse spit until you get drymouth and get some other form of projectiles going like slings. Once you get constriction and slouch up and running the rest of the game is pretty easy. Oh and it is frustratingly difficult to not use a shield with this character.

And I thought it was bad when I threw my bow at an oklob plant...

Afaik that is only true with rotted chunks. Too bad I missed out with fulsome distillation though
.. would have been good times.

I eat every mutated chunk and drink every mutated potion i find on pretty much every game I play now. I would say that I get overwhelmingly positive results on 2/3 of the games I play and on the other third the bad mutations are usually manageable in some way, such as clarity with berserkitis. The o...

I ended up just following the advice given and doing a 3 rune win, partly because I wanted to switch over to .13. There was not much interesting to report other than a very close call shortly after I grabbed the Orb and was narrowly saved when I remembered that I had Step From Time. Also, being able...

I gave it a second try with a SEEE (still on .12 and all that) and yeah it's okay, but sometimes you can't find any stones. I still couldn't switch to stone arrow fast enough. The range is a pain to use and it doesn't have any redeeming gimmicks like freeze and zap have or extended range with spellp...

Yes. I noticed that sandblast can be fueled by large rocks and even used it a few times. Large rocks are worth their weight in gold to an ogre though so it is something I would never do again. On that note do you get something special with sticks to snakes and giant clubs?

Like I said, I had fully intended to but found a +9 plate armor and decided to just go with that. Honestly, I might convince myself to just get spells anyway since I have access to cblink and some other good spells. A better question might be 'why didn't you get spells sooner' and it was mainly beca...

I played around with EE when I was on my spellcasting ogre binge, and found the school to be very unique but sandblast was so terrible compared to other first level elemental spells that I had to pass it up. Also air magic is so damnable useful it is hard to get far into earth. However the high leve...

It was rough to get a naga of cheibriados off to a good start, but once I got over the hump he really took off. I currently have 3 runes, been down to Zot:2 but there was a vault:5-like entrance there (central stairs and loads of mobs) that I ran scared from. I could have probably slouch spammed it ...

Lugonu is amazing. My first and only win has been with an ogre AK. You are probably past the point where banishment is very useful but being able to banish yourself to and return from the abyss at will is an amazing escape tool. Also you basically have a free abyssal rune and the option to get a dis...

I find that a minimum of 7.0 Throwing is required to make large rocks good, and you probably don't want to go past 10.0 unless you want to make them a major part of your endgame. I usually don't, because I find that at that point, doing most things other than either swinging my GSC or getting myself...

Is it just some kind of amazing coincidence that the name you used for this character is the same as the name I use for most of my (ogre) characters?

I have killed at least a few by walking to a corner and ctrl moving randomly. This only works if you can deal massive damage in one blow and/or can take a few hits though.

Its true what others are saying... you will probably have an easier time with Minotaur. However, my first win that I got last weekend was with an ogre abyssal knight so play whatever you like. If you are set on winning, stick to the same race for a while but don't be afraid to play around with backg...

It's been a love-hate relationship with Ogres for the last couple of weeks, but I finally did it. After a few interesting and frustrating deaths on my OgIE I decided to play around with AK for awhile again. I decided that if I narrowed my spell focus I wouldn't need Ashenzari's power boost and I wan...

Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.12.1 (tiles) character file. 637717 Grimp the Conqueror (level 27, -39/317 (321) HPs) Began as an Ogre Ice Elementalist on June 3, 2013. Was the Champion of Ashenzari. Annihilated by an Orb Guardian (54 damage) ... on Level 5 of the Realm of Zot on June 4, 2013. T...

Two deaths in zot:5. I have not yet won so it is quite frustrating. I blame both the deaths on learning new encounters (I had never been to zot or even picked up a rune before these two games) and extreme cockiness and overconfidence. Being able to bash an orb of fire to death in three hits is very ...

Just a thought for "in general:" If you are playing as a character that can't use most armors such as Ogres, a troll leather armor is probably the first armor that you have access to that isn't either a robe or an animal skin, and is significantly better than either of those. Not relevant ...

I don't know a thing about merfolk and I have never won but since you are asking for advice only up to lair i have some experience there. I have an easier time with ogre IE than with most other magic backgrounds. I ignore throw frost and icicle and just work with freeze, ozocobu armor and condensati...

I have had a few "this will be the one" games. Last one like that was ended on d20. Boris melted my face off with a 110+ dam orb of destruction two turns after I saw him. I am pretty mad at myself for that one because I had a blink scroll on me. I am a natural risk taker and that does not ...

Well. A little update. I have tried numerous other magic backgrounds... including EE and IE. EE seems brutally difficult up until lair while IE was quite easy. However, by far my best game so far was with an EE.. I made it to d27 with lair and orc mines cleared. I thought I was being pretty cute wit...

Lacking in humor... but vehemut's "Let it end in Hellfire!" makes me want to play a FE or Cj.

I think you should focus on necromancy and spellcasting in the early game. It is easy to explode into 10-20 maces once you need the offense boost due to aptitudes.. but ogres have a very hard time defensively and that needs to come from your magic. I say this due to lots of recent experience with wz...

Thank you so much for recommending ashenzari. I was scared to use him because of the butchering restriction but in .12 that doesn't exist anymore. You are right.. it is perfect. Once you find a gsc there is no reason to take it off... ever. And armor is easy to manage since there is so little you ca...

I'm pretty new but I think they are both overrated. I die far more often on d1 than I have ever died to those two. I think I died once to each, probably both when it was one of the first times I met them. Grinder is far harder to kill though due to blink and resistance to meph cloud. I still treat h...

That may be true but vehemut's aid makes it more practical to use some mid level magic at a time when it will actually be useful. I have tried okawaru and found the gifts to be largely useless since there is a very narrow range of equipment that is actually useful to an ogre, particularly one pursui...

I did not know autofighting existed until just reading this thread. It sounds like I may have been better off not knowing.

I know about manual skilling but I have always been a bit intimidated by it since I have no idea how to skill him. What I've done is use auto and just turn off the stuff I don't want. I know my magic is too spread out but up to now I haven't been familiar enough with the spells to be choosy. But I w...

One more, if anyone cares. Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.11.2 (tiles) character file. 174682 Grimp the Shatterer (level 18, -2/175 HPs) Began as an Ogre Wizard on May 13, 2013. Was the Champion of Vehumet. Slain by a merfolk impaler ... wielding a +0,+2 demon trident of electrocution (7 damage)...

Hi, long time lurker first time poster here. I have been addicted to Crawl for a while now, and for some reason I really enjoy the Ogre race, even though it is a bit masochistic compared to some of the other races. I have never won or even picked up a rune but I have done pretty well a few times. I'...

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