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danr wrote:I was a bit surprised that someone with 600+ posts here hadn't heard of Henzell.

Use the bots all the time, just never saw that it was called Henzell lol Just assumed he was someone's alter ego on crawl IRC.

Even if a particular item is considered to be a "sub-optimal noob trap" I'm not sure what the problem it is with leaving it in the game. While the specific calculations might not be obvious, just looking at AC and the EV penalty aren't that hard to figure out.

Liver is tasty and delicious... Neither of which I imagine XX to be :lol:

Slime isn't really that bad as long as you play it safe. Firestorm and Dragons both shutdown the eyes that you're worried about. I've cleared Slime pretty easilly as both a Dragon summoner and a Fire Stormer... and you've got both! I do agree that Dig is good for Slime and since you're with Sif just...

My favorite Necro spell has got to be Haunt.

I do like Animate Dead since it gives you an extra escape option, but not sure how worthwhile they would be as a Sp.

Oh lol, I never noticed it says Henzell and Gretell...

Who is this Henzell guy that everyone is always quoting?

Ya, don't go in there until after you've done cleared Vault time frame. Also, avoid Slime Pits and Elf Halls until much later.

Happy?

I appreciate the suggestion, but that isn't the only reason I find it boring. I'll just stick with my MiFi and various Op.

If you're sticking with Tridents then you can turn off Polearms... I'd turn off everything but Invocations until it hits 9-10 (Finesse at 1% fail) then get T&D up (no higher than 10). You'll also want to get your shields to 15 to counteract the penalties. Once you have those up and running you c...

The biggest annoyance of ranged for me is going around and pickinig up all the arrows, then managing the inventory. I know that the inventory management has been addressed in trunk, so that is definitely good news, but the mulching and gathering just adds tedium. It does add a strategic element rega...

My bad, it was a MiFi, no Wiz gear, wearing a Splint Mail (it had +Dam lols) and Tornado was at 21%. He also had Haste, cBlink, and Deflect missiles at 1%. He'd have probably been able to cast Tornado pretty easily in Dragon Armor or with a Wiz ring.

It is summertime for most of us. What are you like 12 years old !!! and yes i generally browse this forum on my work breaks. Anyone that uses the term whippersnapper is by definition an old fart. Its just that during the summer its hot, so the old folks (like Grimm) get extremely lethargic and go t...

I swear to god that this better have been implemented so that we can have an Octopus King. I agree though that spawning with items is fine, but picking up is just super annoying behavior. Its not even all that interesting... I'm either at such a low enough level that the Polymorph Other or Fireball ...

I had a MiFi with Tornado castable... I'm not on my gaming laptop, but I'm pretty sure I didn't have a wiz ring on and was at ~10-15% success. Was running around in PDA fwiw.

XuaXua wrote:
sanka wrote:I have only tried seriously CeHu once, but it was boring and powerful.

I agree, fully.

Never have I been so NOT disappointed in a long-running character dying.

Agreed... I just stopped playing my CeHu and went back to something that is actually fun like OpCo and MiFi.

Grimm wrote:I'll be the judge of what's funny around here.

New Tavern Group "Humor Judge"

minmay wrote:
bobross419 wrote:But what is it about ranged that makes it OP?

The fact that it is better than the options that are considered well-balanced, most obviously conjurations and melee.

Can you elaborate on how exactly its better?

Thanks mk and chan. Your answers helped clear up my confusion. Think i prefer melee as its way less tedious.

Also, i specified trish+shield because it Is considered suboptimal and has repeatedly given me better results.

I tried doing the melee bow thing, but it didn't seem to be any better than melee. But what is it about ranged that makes it OP? Is it kitability? Killability? Its not horrible and I could probably ascend this character if I was so inclined, but it doesn't feel OP.... Like I said, not looking for sp...

BHSA - You should really consider giving MuSu a try... Its ridiculously easy because of the reasons you mentioned before.

I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong, but I'm taking less incoming damage with the Bardiche at 1.3 delay than I am with the LB. Almost died to a Lich I was keeping at the edge of LOS because he started summoning some real nasties... ran upstairs, rested, came back down and killed him without taking any...

I've tried both tactics... The second is much safer, but is about as boring as trying to figure out how to play Dwarf Fortress. And in comparison to MiFi and HeFe, I figure that something that has been touted as OP wouldn't have any problems. The initial question is why is ranged considered OP? I'm ...

I don't know what to tell you. A longbow at that skill level should trivialize everything that's not a rune level, especially with Oka's boosts. What kind of problems are you having, exactly? Stone Giants and Dragons primarily, but even Yaktaur packs can get me low on hp... Things that I have no tr...

Alright, got a +4, +5 LB of Velocity. Going to go see how this handles in the deeper D levels.

EDIT: +5,+6 since the RNG decided to give me another EWIII

Not really seeing much difference really. Still just as easy (and way less tedious) to hack away with a Bardiche at 11 Polearms.

Dex is at 20... I was using a randart poison branded longbow (only longbow worth a crap that I've found) and no Vorpal scrolls up until now... Actually just found my first EW3 and Vorpal hiding in V:8, so I'll go grab one of the longbows that was sitting on the ground and enchant it up. Delay is at ...

I've seen a lot of posts lately saying that ranged is OP, but I'm just not getting that feeling from playing a CeHu. I have a much, much easier time of things with both a dedicated melee with Demon Trident/Trishula as well as a dedicated nuker. Can someone break it down for me? Maybe I'm just doing ...

I'm much more in support of auto travel to sacrificable items than I am to some of the other suggestions (auto sacrifice for instance); although, I did like KL's mass sacrifice suggestion.

Sure, it makes sense to stick with Sif. Thanks. It's funny to stick with a god just to just to avoid the god's wrath, given how powerful many gods are mid-game. Isn't this kind of the idea behind god wrath though? To prevent scummy behavior of just switching whenever you want? Wrath should make you...

Currently playing a CeHu myself.... and wondering where the thousands of arrows that I've read about are hiding. Oka doesn't seem to gift many arrows, and the ones he does gift are +0 of Frost/Flame and mulch super fast. Ended up picking up Polearms to offset the number of arrows I lose. Even at +5 ...

Am I the only one that noticed that weekends are pretty slow in the Tavern? I thought that there would be more posts and stuff because folks aren't at work... Or do you all play/post while you're at work like I do which is why week days are busier?

Re: Shoals
You'll get two of Shoals, Swamp, and Snake. Add Spider to that list if you are playing trunk.

Re: Ascension Run
Ya... You'll find a lot of people are disappointed with the ease of the orb run.

Re: Victory
Great job duder.

Awesome post, KL... Kind of technical info I'm always looking for but rarely find.

First off, great work dd.

I think it looks better without the jumbo sized crosspiece.

If you want to curb some of that D1 Mummy of Xom scumming, just make Xom resurrect them temporarily at a very hungry level; they can't go back till they eat. Really don't see what the problem is with Xom scumming. Its not exactly easy and is a fun sidetrack for when playing a regular game gets to b...

Just write a script that runs a cron job every 5 minutes, checks the saves folder for any new files and copies them over to a backup file. You don't even have to remember to save!

You're probably best off burning a scroll of identify on that Deck of Changes as there are some cards in there that could really mess you up. Best off meaning as opposed to blindly drawing... there might be better uses for the scroll. Also, you should use-ID your wands.

Chance here for a Smokey the Bear-type unique - I'm not joking. Crying Indian Spriggan? Summons Rain Clouds as one of his abilities... maybe comes with the Cloak of Clouds or whatever it is. EDIT: Also... Am I the only one that see's "RE: Work in progress: reviving the Enchanted Forest as a br...

I'd like a command history as well... but please use an 'up arrow' instead of mageykun's suggested 'down arrow'.

I thought that I read that jelly spawn on cleared levels was removed so that you can just drop your stuff wherever and not have to worry about Lair:2 or whatever.

Agree with nicolae... The combinations thing was just an idea that popped in there that I threw out there.

crate wrote:It is impossible to both have less loot than normal and be underpowered in lair if you get a d:4 jiyva altar or so, because you will either have low piety but all the items, or you will have slimify.

Playing a little fast and loose with the word "impossible"... Its entirely possible.

minmay wrote:"caster"

Gotta love these super-ambiguous minmay posts.

Aboms form together similar to the Green Slimies.. from a pulp to the small to large. They don't unform though. Saves you from having to do the math on corpse stacks to always get large.

... Trog gifts my GSC toting Ogre with a dagger.

I like doing a TSO->Zin->TSO switch when I do Hells on melee. Especially after clearing Zot:5 where I might have racked up a large number of bad mutations. The only problem I've ever run into doing it this way is that bitch at the end of Tartarus ripping me up bad with Torments/Necro without any rN ...

Ya, Jivya on D:3 is fun to pick, but I was so underpowered by the time I got to Lair that I couldn't do anything.

And what's wrong with just drinking three potions, again? It takes 3x as long. Was just an idea that I was throwing out there. I'm sure it could be abusable, but thought about it in relation to the thread about poison spells. Quaffing !{HWx3} could be the difference between life and death and some ...

Would be pretty cool as a player castable spell... Ghetto "crafting". Combine any 2 or 3 potions into 1. Not sure if it would be OP, but it would allow players to carry more potions... I'm sure I'm not the only one that dumps a lot of potions... Maybe you don't want to carry Might and Agil...

At least konebred understood that it was meant to be an amusing rant.

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