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yeah I probably would have worn the CPA and the ring of slaying - or I mean I won't claim to really know what's better overall but had there been no GDA I would be quite comfortable taking the crystal plate and slaying and one point in each resist.

regardless of how people feel about crawl displaying numbers, I think it would be nice to have an option to be able to see the information that used to be hosted on the now-dead gretell ingame in some way - I do not want to sit in IRC just to remind myself of something regarding a monster. http://c...

variety is good if and only if it brings the overall quality of content up. I don't necessarily mind suggestions along these lines, though, as long as it isn't proposing to add a bunch of new monsters right now. and as long as it keeps the good things about the lair (like the level generation)

I still disagree about depths - it at least feels quicker than the bottom of dungeon used to - that was a slog the biggest thing wrong with it is spriggans, probably. incidentally I think spriggan berserker would almost be a good monster on its own except that ev enemies are inherently kind of annoy...

(i'm not in favor of showing exact numbers for several reasons but you are at least right about the murkiness of observations were one to want to know exactly what's going on)

being cut to five levels already makes depths better than d:16-27

I have no idea who did which tiles but while we're at it I'm going to second that I find some of the newer pseudo-3D ones really hard to read. "Detailed" is probably a bad thing more often than not. And rltiles (I had to look that up too) seems like a really mixed bag e.g. I've always hate...

on hunting shops - what if at some sort of interval you got "Blurgh would like to open a wand shop on D:13 would you like to invest xxxx gold to help him make his dream come true?" I don't know how often you would want this to happen, I just like the concept of helping a guy get his small ...

I have mixed feelings about this whole debate. On one hand, I've been playing roguelikes since I was a little kid and I remember when I first saw Spelunky, and Spelunky is exactly what I would imagine if you told me about a "roguelike-inspired platformer." I think there's something wrong w...

Surprisingly this one makes me way less argumentative than the strength one. Except I'm once again baffled by the placing of Dg - how do you put them down there while (rightly) putting Hu on the other end - and in the opposite direction DE. I guess I'm surprised to see Sp so unpopular as well, but t...

You must train your primary killdudes to be able to killdudes properly. Trying to train up two killdudes at once is likely to leave you unable to properly killdudes. Not training a melee killdudes is wrong. This is what I'm seeing. So what it seems to boil down to is that if you've decided conjurat...

Not in every (I mean, Trog exists, to start) but in quite a lot of cases I would consider not getting spells on a "melee character" to be "badly buil[ding]." Of course this does not so much mean conjurations, so is not exactly symmetrical to what we're talking about.

For me pure caster is "train magic if it makes sense". For instance, pure caster DEFE of Vehumet can train Fireball, Bolt of Fire, Ignite Poison, Ring of Flames and Fire Storm before training any armour or weapon. Another definition - Pure caster trains Evocations instead of Armour. I'm n...

Klown is joking? I used to think Klown was joking back in the "tavern bullies" thread when he was going on about bashing guides made by players with more wins than you that lead to 60 game streaks and the ToME community looking down on the Crawl elitists but since then I've started to thin...

Now I actually think this is a fine idea, because it's not terribly obtrusive and probably not that hard to implement, but I also have to second that this isn't going to be more intuitive than a plain English log of what happened and you should always look at messages, because they'll always be the ...

(...)several of us explicitly take "strength" to mean "ability to win any particular game starting from the beginning" because that's a fairly logical definition. What do you propose? I don't have a definition ready. But I think that in the realm of average and below-average pla...

considering that devs tend to remove lvl 6 spells from starting books, so even enchanters lose invisibility in 0.15 trunk (which is really sad btw, especially if you want to play fast, also in sprints too) it sounds quite luck dependent also it's like to say "mummies are easy, just try a book ...

If you read it again carefully, I was not talking about myself, but about the "majority of players". The other logical fallacy is even more apparent. Nice witticism though, I appreciate it. I'm pretty sure duvessa means "you" meaning "one," not necessarily you, the pos...

because it's starting to look like duvessa and I are a team here, I'm not quite as down on the low HP/high magic apt races like DE and Te. Nor do I know why he ranks Ds so low. But those four above I'm pretty sure about. Gr especially, while not nearly the most misplaced, is a good example of how id...

Aside from Felid, which has already been discussed - no fun to play a lot of the time and truly awful trying to come back after you've died once or twice but basically Spriggan lite for a lot of backgrounds. And FeBe just requires you to train all of three skills and berserk at the drop of a hat - s...

FeBe is really quite good

D:1-D:3 are only unimportant if you don't care about winrate/streaking. Which a lot of people do and certainly this is the vantage point minmay comes from incalling them a top 5 race. But yes, in fact, all this arguing about power level is pointless because the truth is that a certain number of us h...

presumably the reason to remove nemelex is to add one or more of the many spiffy new gods people have been proposing/testing lately. though I also think elyvilon is worse and in a more fundamental way - the basic idea of nemelex I think is really good he's just kind of annoying to play right now how...

debris wrote:Question: Do we think I can go for Slime and Abyss rune? I have no idea how to take a character that can't heal into endgame.

Well, I'm sure it can be done, but most people would have taken Makhleb. I'd focus on getting three runes first...

Exploration piety is a good idea! There are so many ways to improve nemelex playability it seems really silly to remove him/her/it. What if -cards/charges stacked by type with no power level (destruction, summoning, escape) -an "ornate" effect" was worth two cards/charges, a "leg...

Calling experience an "interesting" effect is kind of ridiculous, but on the other hand I don't see what's inherently wrong with an item that lets you gamble with your character's future outside of combat, unless it's scummy/exploitable. And in fact the stupid sacrifice tricks (which weren...

Over twice as many mummies played. Even though Mu is the weakest species, it brings some desire-ability to the table with no hunger. The core design is still there. Highest stats, no god. There's already a load of '-1 across the board; species, Demonspawn and Mummies are more fun and desireable as ...

TheDefiniteArticle wrote:That's the one nagging doubt about writing a Crawl guide: some dude in China already wrote the best Crawl guide a long long time ago

did he play dgwn?

or is that japan only (top chinese players favor ghck)

yeah actually there is a fundamental problem with death curses and that is that they simply make you not want to fight the monster. this time you're right on bcadren.

This would be pretty cool applied to enemies that occur occasionally throughout the game. However as people are already seizing on right now death curses are pretty much a feature of mummies, and random encounters with mummies are very occasional and limited to the lower tier. The rest and nearly al...

Ghoul King wrote:You should only swing in melee on Stabs

No.

And especially no if you have a vampiric weapon.

Ghoul King wrote:and you're health is so bad it wouldn't help much anyway

What having no hp means hp regen is really nice.

And I've also gotten some use out of vamp stabs from time to time.

Fungus wrote:On Deep Dwarf: Is damage shaving better than Gargoyle's AC+GDR+resting between fights?

DD beats Gr HP aptitude by... is it really 4 (+2 vs -2)? That's a lot.

Klown wrote:
zardo wrote:this would be better if you could vote on a ranking

What do you mean by this, exactly?

I mean I think it would be fun to ask people to rank them all best to worst.

Also, background strength. Which doesn't get discussed as much for some reason.

"Early" might be the wrong word, too, I don't mean the first two or three floors but I definitely stand by there being an early-mid hump where the HP does not make up for the lack of armor/dodging and you don't have the GSC online yet. What do you mean? 5862 | D:7 | Reached skill level 16...

Confidence Interval wrote:
WalkerBoh wrote:examples of how badly you play

Did I ever tell you about the time I began as a SpEn and then started worshipping Trog because I found an early altar?

except SpBe is hella fun and quite playable

wtf is all this stuff about ogres being weak early I didn't say Ogres are "weak" early, I said they're vulnerable (to some things) despite the HP. "Early" might be the wrong word, too, I don't mean the first two or three floors but I definitely stand by there being an early-mid ...

Yeah I treated this as Below/Average/Above, 8 below, 8 above, 10 average

this would be better if you could vote on a ranking

TeshiAlair wrote: channel is negated by staff of energy.

No. Sif channeling is far and away better than any other kind. I think she could use some more tricks too, but as far as the quoted statement goes, just no.

The early vulnerability of ogres is cool and distinguishing in my opinion. I mean, sorry it's not what you expected but you have the zero-thought-required large tabtab race in trolls. You do eventually get to be a total brick wall killing machine - you just have to wait for the armor - and even by L...

keep bolts spells from being completely eclipsed by level 7+ spells. but they aren't If anything the level 6 spells are much more useful overall, not to mention totally sufficient to win everything. which by the way is because they are lower-level/less mp while still being powerful enough to kill a...

Letting distortion auto-id seems like a great solution, really. As a threat most forms of banishment are really pretty fair in that you know when they're a possibility and how to prevent them (whether the abyss itself works as a game feature is a different matter) and are in fact only interesting (t...

Book backgrounds have a much higher chance of dying early I don't know the overall stats but in the hands of decent players I suspect this is extremely incorrect edit: I don't know about warpers specifically (though they're probably still better off than fighters) but I concur with and into that bo...

It boggles my mind that Wild Magic is still considered a good mutation. Oftentimes it's more debilitating than any of the current badmut set. My current character (OpAS, just wanted a blowgun but I found confuse early on so now I'm a full blown En) is pretty much built on wild magic. I was taken ab...

I have a not so bad weapon (+6 +7 morningstar of Holy Wrath), and I have stashed a seemingly much better +11 +4 flail (crush, CONTAM, rElec rC+ Int+2 Stealth+) that already got me a mutation early on when I unwielded it after ID (I quaffed a cure mutation potion for that). Also I have a +5 +5 flail...

"Natural AC bonus," crazy Armour aptitude and anti-encumbrance? Man, pick one - the last one probably. Intrinsic AC bonuses/damage resistance especially are really not things DCSS needs any more of, and no way are you getting away with that +4. And you have to figure out how to distinguish...

I usually try to get a dragon armor ASAP because it's a really important step in developing your character, more so if you use heavish dragon armors and less so if you're using lighter ones (but mottled can still be a huge upgrade from robe, assuming you don't lose some critical ego). This is kind ...

Bart wrote:- Kobold's HPs are fine. Kobold is not a challenge species and buffing it with more HPs would be unnecessary.

I'd put them in the bottom quartile. But of course somebody has to be.

As far as "no change" goes, demigods in particular are one of the races least in need of change. I don't care at all what you want to do to High Elves.
Though giving Dg. a slightly better XP aptitude I think would be fine.

I'm also completely baffled by the suggestion that every non-Chei/Xom god is overpowered (and this was the argument I read from your previous post, considering that that's what your Trog example amounted to), and I think it is essentially a logical impossibility. Well, certainly lots of gods are po...

Looking at Species/Background/God choice in the tournament results... well I can't speak for what's fun for most people but it certainly shows an inconsistent relationship with what's actually most powerful and many results I would not have predicted. What people "know" about Crawl tends t...

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