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A daeva in the abyss could also be worshipping Xom. In any case, there is no penalty for killing a holy that starts out hostile.

as long as you aren't fighting several at once I would like to stress this point so people don't get an overly simplistic idea. Keep in mind that a lot of the time you are not going to be fighting one thing at a time (especially if you are not experienced with tactics or just don't care to use them).

Moose wrote:This removes an interesting tactical option from the game now.

I think possibly most of the words in this sentence are being misused.

I'm curious... General advice is that the best defense is a good offense, so I would have thought the slaying bonus on the CPA would be more beneficial than some extra AC and GDR. At what point does the AC benefits outweigh the Slaying? Sometimes it is clearer if you think of the two items as rings...

The CPA is actually better.

Spammals + Curing Spam might keep you alive long enough. Maybe. Possibly. I'm not sure in the slightest. Definitely not. That would be unlikely to work even against one bee. I think people in this thread are vastly overrating the defensive utility of spammals and imps, especially against fast stuff...

No. It is a common myth that enchanters become useless when "hexes won't work." Shoals is actually one of the easiest branches to clear with just stabbing. If you have the morgue to post I can show you what you did wrong - if I had to guess, you were either not using invis or you were usin...

How about not using any "screens" and just walking down... simple/common sense is good, no?

The only one of those that you can actually outrun while flying is the hill giant. You should read teleport and try not to get murdered by the wyvern.

Turn on finesse and kill them. You could also quaff might if you're nervous but if it were me I might not use it.

I'm afraid I don't understand your decision. You yourself have listed several ways your character would be significantly stronger if you didn't have these mutations, and you're not going to try to remove them? If it's because you're afraid of future, worse, mutations and would like a chance at curin...

mikee, if you say there are many more, just list them. Not mentioning them was part of my point. There are so many potential uses of awkward throwing that I probably don't know all of them, even though I apparently know more of them than you. So just removing the functionality itself will have effe...

There are actually many uses for awkward throwing, some of which have not even been mentioned here - some of them are silly and some of them are actually practical. I like having these options, and I don't see 'newbies might be confused' as a good argument for removing all of them in one action.

Centaurs actually can't get slow movement.

I recommend trying to cure these. Having to wear stasis all game is pretty bad.

Hydras can seem terrifying when you're still new, but once you learn to manage your turns efficiently, they're actually among the easiest 'tough' enemies in the game. I actually had a similar problem as you in a recent game of mine, but I had quaffed agility *before* the hydra got close to me and wa...

This exact complaint comes up time and again, but I have yet to see a strong argument for showing all of these numbers. The arguments usually amount to "I think I need it (to win) but I can't exactly say why". Many players have won unspoiled - I am one of them, and like 300 wins later, you...

I give you advice all the time, and I don't think you've ever followed any of it... even when you've asked for it in advice threads. This is ok for personal games, as it's your own decision to make. The advice you are giving seems to be influencing a lot of people, particularly people who rely only ...

I'll take a stab at these questions - let me know if you agree or disagree. :) Well, they were rhetorical questions. I am not asking because I don't know how to play a naga of chei. Honestly, and this is not to hurt your feelings or anything, almost everything you wrote was either wrong or based on...

Some questions people should maybe consider: Why are all of these nagas of chei wearing heavy armour? Are nagas somehow good at wearing armour? Is dodging bad with chei? Why are all of these nagas of chei using large shields? Is it worth the extra xp for them to do this? Won't someone punching want ...

Well, it has consumed a lot of time and mental energy, but I now have the longest streak online. I suppose I should write a little story about this character. I was a little worried about how fragile a kobold artificer would be early on, but it was about the most decent choice I had left. I found sn...

For example, cerebovssquire posted his new "The Better MuWz Guide" and I think it is a concise guide with great advice. Why, on the other hand, does the lengthy guide have to be outright deleted as well? Can't they both co-exist? They are two different interpretations on how to play a MuW...

Small correction - slowness is actually 20% per mutation, so it would be 2 in 10, or 20% from range. I don't think this is exactly true. Players get movement delay, not speed, and slowness 1 adds 2 to it. So one would have delay 12, which is approximately 8.33 speed, or being hit 1 in 6 times while...

The simplest thing you could have done was just to try to win with slow 1. It's not like it's impossible to do, especially for a strong character. (You mentioned something about slowness being especially bad when you are using melee, but I suspect this is some kind of myth you're buying into.) The n...

Crawl design philosophy is a heuristic, not a straightjacket. That two-minute interlude isn't hurting anything, and the histrionic claims of Crawl-impurity are frankly baffling. Well the hermeneutics of Crawl are also approached didactically (see: the tutorial, for instance), and I see no reason no...

Anonymous Bosch wrote: Based on my set-up, do we have any recommendations?

Take off that awful hat. Put on some boots.

I thought it might be interesting to come back to this thread and update it: In the past two months, I have nine wins. This includes two streaks (one ongoing) of two wins each. My winrate has been steadily climbing, and I can play almost every combo fairly well. I am working towards winning every r...

I don't know a lot about ranged combat, but I'll try to address some points that will help you. 1) You should be using a longbow and not a bow if you should find one. 2) Unarmed combat and bows both eat a lot of xp - I don't think this was a wise combination, but with this in mind you are going to h...

That's kind of a complicated question because of the differences between those two brands, but they start to be 'equivalent' around 7 necromancy. I tend to have 15-16 by mid/late game, but of course you shouldn't get all of those levels at once. As with all character building, I recommend getting a ...

Just stab everything (don't forget that you have invisibility) or beat the crap out of it with a pain weapon if you happen to be unable to stab it.

Definitely don't use allies if you are stabbing, as they will wake up things you want to stab. This includes stuff you've just hibernated.

Chei actually doesn't hurt stealth in any way - in fact, chei helps it. Not that I would recommend chei for anything since he is actually the worst god in the game. I also wouldn't recommend heavy armoured stabbing - I've done it and it's kind of bad and silly. I just won a naen a few days ago and i...

What to do on zot:5:
Take it slowly. Think about what you're doing. Control the space around you.

You should almost never be fighting more than one thing at a time, and ideally you should never have more than one thing in sight at a time.

Inuoc disapproves of the following -- Stabbing (attacking the unaware) -- Attacking allies, friendly or neutral beings. -- Willfully inflicting the following statuses --- Poison --- Sleep --- Slow --- Paralysis --- Curare (excommunication) This is too similar to tso for me; what if this god had muc...

Thanks cerebovsquire. Interesting that a race with alleged hunger issues has ascended most often as a He. I know I was watching someone run one a little while ago. Most of those cehe wins are probably from either before pacification existed or before it was as big a part of playing healer. Prior to...

ce, dd, tr, dg, sp, ha, ho, mi, mf, dr, ko, he, se, ds, gh, na, vp, de, og, fe, te, op, mu This is my personal order of preferences for races to streak, which does not assume a particular class, matches playstyles I am comfortable with, and uses ability to survive the early game as its main criterio...

Sounds about right; if you were moving at 1/3 speed then that's around a 10-turn tornado which would be pretty good normally. You certainly shouldn't be relying on Tornado to fly over deep water. Did you get a chance to act after "The winds around you start to calm down."? The game prompt...

I'm glad you're now starting to reach lair and orc more reliably. To keep improving, you have to start learning which items are good for your character and which monsters will pose problems for you. These are just things you're likely to pick up with experience, but I can also point you to this link...

Sewer is a portal vault and not a branch, and I'm surprised you didn't get any loot from it. You might have missed it, or it might have been hidden somewhere, but they all have at least a little bit of loot. You should train axes to 20 to minimize the attack delay of your battleaxe. After that, armo...

Zombies in fiction are usually depicted as attacking en masse , so perhaps Crawl zombies could be restricted to special vaults which would confront the player with a huge army of them - like the room of orcs or bees but on an even larger scale and harder to just run from. There is already a common ...

I used to quit the game every time I got that mutation. It was beyond annoying.

Another argument against it was that you could technically draw maps of levels so that it would have no in-game effect. The out-of-game effect is that you find a volcano and throw your copy of crawl into lava irl.

slowcar wrote:summons can also help

no

There is no real science behind the recommended combos, and they have always been at least a little bit arbitrary. Originally, most combos were locked. For instance, if you wanted to play a mummy, you could only play a fighter, necromancer, or death knight. I wasn't using IRC when the rest were unlo...

I didn't have a difficult time with debe - and it certainly doesn't compare in difficulty to muck/ddak, etc.

I don't get what the challenge is supposed to be. Is this about how people think melee is really hard when it's not?

Well, a spriggan can't wield a staff with a buckler, which is worth considering.

<Sequell> 1. [2011-05-06] mummyrobin the Farming Eclecticist (L22 VpWz) entered the Swamp on turn 781075. (Lair:4)

I could win it, but it got really boring.

Night2o1 wrote:wait, is that a fist using melee mummy all game long?

Yes. You can read the morgue file if you'd like:
http://crawl.develz.org/morgues/0.8/tar ... 130649.txt

I'm glad you're making sensible choices. I forgot to mention those orc:4 vaults - that one is shocking, huh? :) Bucklers without shields skill have a small penalty to casting and melee to-hit. As you've seen, it's often not noticeable/important. However, raising shields also has a benefit (you will ...

muck followed by ddak. Honorable mention: mumo of chei, which was completely miserable.

snow wrote:I think tab is useful because it shows ways the game can improve: if everyone tabs through an area maybe some monsters need to be made more interesting?

Tab is good because it's bad? =P

I can't remember if the change is in 0.9 or not - I think it is - but self-sublimation was nerfed to be heavily power dependent, and chunk sublimation was also nerfed.

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