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Quick check on source suggests that it's OK if accidental (i.e. quaff-id), but you get punished if you drink it deliberately, even if you don't get any mutations!

In other words, it's almost never a good idea, although I might be able to imagine some desperation scenarios.

If I understand this correctly, overflow altars (i.e. altars in the dungeon, rather than in the temple) were introduced because the number of gods exceeded the number of altar spaces of many, especially older, temple vaults. (Another solution to this, which I am not plugging here, might have been mu...

The previous version felt very strong, because it had a big early game skills boost. This version, with the reduced stats and aptitudes is quite a lot weaker. It's still a good bit stronger than Mu, and beats many non-recommended combos, simply because it is very adaptable. Any book or wearpon works...

Do nets have health?

I do wonder how players end up playing crawl for the first time. Literally the first thing I ever read about crawl suggested MiBe as the easiest combo. Is that very different from most people?

I would quite like to get a background to make a really custom start, including god, weapon, consumables, books, spells, etc. Perhaps all these things could be weighted. So Trog costs too much to also get a good weapon or armour, etc.

If nothing else it would lead to a lot of amusing guides.

Sounds like 7/7/7 is too low.

Gn start with higher skills, at character creation both GnIE and GhIE have somewhere around 5 spell power, for hypothetical Throw icicle. Gh gets something like 1 extra spell power on freeze. Gn will catch up with that by about XL 2. Gn will also get to Ice Beast faster I expect. Gh in particular do...

Sorry, probably a misunderstanding. Some people are saying that Gn is bad because it's tedious. Dragging out the endgame isn't great, I agree. I don't think the species is weak though. Gh book backgrounds start with 10 Int for example, but worse aptitudes, and they are fine to play as EE, Ne or IE. ...

See subject. Will I get edible comestible/animateable corpses from Kiku in the Slime Pits?

If yes, what will I get?

If not, are there other areas of the game where this is also the case? Tartarus perhaps?

When I encounter a napping dangerous enemy, even with placing an exclusion around the danger area, auto-exploring may get you into trouble. If there is even the most narrow path alongside that exclusion, auto-explore will try to get you past it, and then you may encounter other monsters close by wh...

Threads where people disagree are usually the most interesting and most useful!

Is that the version with +3 Apts and stats fixed at 7? If so, why do you think it's the worst species in the game?

It's certainly better than inaccuracy. But joking aside, in what kind of situations do people here have good experience with it? Or would at least consider it an option? At a guess it would be a situation where taking damage is unlikely, or impossible. I've killed quite a few enemies with portal pro...

I strongly feel that we are having a misunderstanding, so I'll leave it here.

I'm not actually defending amulet of harm, I'm just saying that killing things faster is good. I doubt anyone really disagrees with that.

Not necessarily. Killings things faster, which the amulet does help with, often redues HP loss. No, it does not work, I specifically mentioned how bad accuracy and damage are in crawl. You can spend 17 attacks to kill a monster which is expected to die in just 2 attacks according to fsim (I created...

If a character wins with amulet of harm, it means it would never be at low HP without amulet of harm. Not necessarily. Killings things faster, which the amulet does help with, often redues HP loss. Without the amulet, it might take longer to kill certain dangerous monsters, who could get an extra L...

It's for the harm challenge...

Well, there is a first for everything. That said, it's not clear to me if PF was ironic. With only three words, no punctuation and no context, it's just impossible to say.

harm is bad

So far I have read no opinion calling the amulet good. I could see some uses for characters that can do damage out of LOS, like with Ball Lightning or Firestorm, or less good on characters that can do damage on the edge of LOS, like with a bow or xbow. Mostly the downside isn't worth it, especially ...

It would to get a full dump of the character. Press '#'. In the absence of any other information, assuming you have cleared Dungeon, Lair and Orc, I would now proceed to do Vaults:1-4, then Depths. Nice weapon and body armour. Use any enchant armour scrolls you have on the crystal plate. With that a...

For the sake of winning, I would recommend just taking big sacrifices. The benefits are big. At the very least you want to get to Power Leap quite quickly.

Well done. The game is obviously too easy for you, considering that you have an absolute boat-load full of consumables!

Rounding up would make more sense. I would be annoyed if it said 0% and then I end up paralysed.

Is the chance to be affected number rounded? Is 0% really <0.5%?

Sorry for the lack of clarity, the 'diminishing' was aimed at the actual increase in benefit. Once all monsters spells have been reduced to a literal 0%, the benefit of adding further MR+ is of course 0, so as diminished as it can get. So for a hypothetical near-invincible zig character, walking aro...

+10 great sword of speed is one of the best weapons I've seen in a while. I wouldn't think twice about using that.

The game doesn't display more than 5 pips, but what happens if I wear 6 items of MR+? Is there a cap, or do I keep getting (diminishing) returns?

they didn't gain or lose satiation and could instead just pick a level from the ability menu?

Or would that result in lots of changes mid-fight?

There's got to be a better way!

I suspect a background that could choose any god at the start of the game, would be one of the most popular. Wouldn't that in itself be worthwhile? Popular doesn't imply worthwhile (from a game design perspective) a level 1 item that instantly kills anything in the game with 0 risk might be popular...

And then we can remove Monk. Finally.

I suspect a background that could choose any god at the start of the game, would be one of the most popular. Wouldn't that in itself be worthwhile?

gammafunk wrote:I'm making a joke about a spell chei turncount speedrunners would want to have guaranteed at game start more than any other spell. Since being able to start with chei is a thing primarily of interest to turncount players.

So, it's gotta be Gell's Gravitas or Yara's Violent Unravelling, right?

Elec is good on a battle axe, as it is on pretty much anything. The damage difference to flaming/freezing isn't something I ever consciously noticed. What's nice about elec is that there are fewer resistant/immune enemies than for pretty much every other brand.

I use semi-fixed letters for generic rings, which is reasonably quick. Unfortunately, it can be a little error prone.

For a while I wondered about introducing a third group of jewellery, say bracelets, that are slower to swap, and then splitting the effects between rings and bracelets. That way one wouldn't get any of the 'Remove which ring?' prompts, which is probably the worst part of jewellery swapping. On the o...

One could make spells straight-up impossible to cast above a certain fail chance. Say 20%. You would still end up with a few higher level red spells, but would need to invest a significant amount of XP to get access.

chequers wrote:
remove the "cures confusion" effect of !curing and the duration stacking thing
Just try this without any other changes, perhaps.

In that case, please remove/change tarantellas. Spider would be become significantly more annoying otherwise.

So, what's up next, BaMo streak? Stealth won't be nearly as attractive.

I've had good experiences with AM-Eveningstars, but I not many weapons will do more damage to OOF's than 'Order'. The lajatang beats the javelins of course, higher base damage, some delay, better enchantment.

I'd be interested in a little fsim, but I fear the result would be a misrepresesntation. Does fsim interact with anti-magic at all? Do enemies in fsim actually use spells?

Seconded. Silver Javelins are really good. In melee, I wonder. Eveningstar if you are using a shield, otherwise Order?

I know this of course, but just wanted to exaggerate a bit too.

When enemies don't step into the clouds you can often just stand on the other side and kill them with a polearm or throwing stones. It's often quite safe. Against enemies that do step into clouds readily, you can create lines of 3 or more clouds, and they will happily step from one into the next, ta...

[...] gimp your character in every other regard [...] I genuinely don't understand this. How does taking off the ring gimp the character in every other regard? It's not like Summon Ice Beast, Conjure Flame, EV, SH, MR+ or indeed most properties of the character are even affected. And it's also, of ...

We all know the answer here. But in many ways Na is a special case. Still, if I wanted to win, I'd take Ru over Qaz on pretty much every character. The odds of getting caught in a bad situation when coming down stairs are certainly lower with Ru.

I think it's a question of benefit vs detriment. The benefit from the ring seems marginal. It's about 1-2 AC on Ozo and some damage increase to Icicle. The potential downside is death. It's not particularly uncommon for people to forget swapping their rings in certain situations. I wasn't even talki...

So I guess low Str Fe forms do more damage now. Good for Fe. More Dex/Int!

I suspect that was just hyperbole, to draw attention to Majang's view that playing Wz without their chosen god is annoying. Of course a Wz can (and for winning, should) pick the first good god that is available. There's absolutely nothing wrong with Fed, Kiku, Goz, etc. for a Wz. But I suspect Majan...

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