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duvessa wrote:the items that are useful to carry

This is the reply that's appropriate to make.

Hey, no buffing Trog!

This might be a good slot for a plant holiness race.

Xombrero

Pick up a weapon and melee straight away?
I'd do Nymph^Trog evey time.

I'm in!

This seems like a design flaw to me, since it encourages players to equip all floor loot as long as they have spare ?rc. Maybe there should be a "fine" category below glowing/runed that includes unbranded weapons with enchant bonuses.

Octodaaaaaaaad!
Nobody suspects a thing.
Octodaaaaaaaad!
He's got a good thing going.

CBlink is good if you have the spare XP and don't have heavy armour, but you don't need it. If you actually started with the fighter background, the low Int and heavy armour might make it tough to get. If you do go for it, also consider Phase Shift, Passage of Golubria, and maybe Dispersal -- those ...

So it does. How about 13 dam, 16 base delay, 5 mindelay? It turns out a bit closer to what I was aiming for.
http://fooplot.com/plot/i8fpj0b0hk

TheDefiniteArticle wrote:Any way to play this on a real actual computer?

Igxfl wrote:Great! Now can we stop pretending that Crawl should be that way?

Alas crawl is tragically already that way

Yes, but I see a lot of "X strategy is how you beat crawl therefore X strategy is good game design" around the Tavern.

Great! Now can we stop pretending that Crawl should be that way?

I take issue with claims that Demigods are too strong, because Demigods seem to be strong for the wrong reasons. At the very start of the game, apts barely matter and most chars are godless anyway, while Demigod stats and especially HP/MP make it a lot easier to survive the first few floors. Since s...

@cerebovssquire: That's why it's got to be toggleable somehow.

@TeshiAlair: I like some of your curse suggestions, but many are also really bad. The armour would need to give great bonuses to be worthwhile. Compare the Obsidian Axe.

I didn't mean different delays for using a single weapon 1H vs 2H, I was just thinking that the 1-H weapons of the class would be special cased to .5 and the 2H would be .6. Those particular values aren't necessary. Example: Suppose a good 2H weapon of this type has 15 damage, 1.6 base delay, .6 min...

If we need an MR-based direct damage wand, I'd rather have /agony than /disintegration. It's more different from the others.

Agreed, I like the Guardian Wallet effect. It's powerful when you do use it, but using it frequently would run you out of gold pretty quickly. It's something you'd ration out for really tough parts of the game. On equipment, though, it might encourage repeated (W)ear/(T)ake off to avoid wasting gold...

Most discussion of weapon differentiation so far has revolved around special abilities. I propose a way to strongly differentiate one weapon class without altering the core mechanics of melee. All weapons in Crawl have a linear relationship between mindelay and skill investment. All high-investment ...

So, it's pretty clear that axes are significantly worse than other weapons, but this is not directly related to cleaving as much as to comparatively poor damage and delay. How about we just give axes a nice hefty boost in Trunk and see what happens? One interesting possible change would be to leave ...

You can just run Bows at -2, it's not that bad if it's your only relevant low apt.

On the other hand, high Formicid strength makes crossbows really good.

Yes, it would.

In any case, if HE were to be removed, DE would probably take on some of their characteristics and become less extreme as a result. Or removing DE and letting HE have some of their characteristics would also be fine. This sounds pretty good. HE often just feels like a slightly stronger, slightly le...

Orange Crystal Statue + Wand of Disintegrate is one of the Nethackiest interactions in the game.

There was a proposal to remove flame and frost and magic dart and add a wand of exploit weakness, which does a minor ranged attack of whatever type the target is vulnerable to, with magic dart if no vulnerabilities exist. The new wand would retain a lot of situational effectiveness later game instea...

High Elves are thoroughly lame. They should probably be tweaked or get axed. I really like the bare-bones feel of Demigod games -- you have to make do with floor loot, but you can use it all thanks to good stats and flat apts. Unfortunately, it seems that the main effective benefit of Demigods is ju...

Since flails and spiked flails were rolled together a while ago, and because development seems to be trying to avoid extreme weapon redundancy in general, let's roll together the two types of giant club. They are exactly the same except that GC is slightly worse than GSC. I'd recommend keeping "...

What if apportation could yoink items out of deep water?

If this is just a belief about the way things seem to happen then that's fine. But if you're trying to make the claim that this is the way things actually are, objectively, then I would like to see evidence of that. Protip: There is not an observable difference between these two things. Between bel...

Can axes just have omnidirectional full-damage cleave uninterrupted by neighboring walls?
They'd still lag behind M&F, but their special would be kind of useful sometimes.

Good/Evil:
Good, by definition, is anything associated with TSO, Elyvilon, or Zin.
Evil, by definition, is anything all three good gods dislike.

Law/Chaos:
Law is Zin. Zin is law.
Chaos is anything non-evil that Zin dislikes.

Caution and consumables should be enough for now. I'd start training Dodging once you feel like you have enough attack power. Later on, grab something light, MDA if you can get it.

It's spelled "Kikubaaqudgha", but it's pronounced "Throatwarbler Mangrove".

I hardly ever enchant armour until my auxilliaries are at max enchantment.

Knight9910 wrote:If this is just a belief about the way things seem to happen then that's fine. But if you're trying to make the claim that this is the way things actually are, objectively, then I would like to see evidence of that.

Protip: There is not an observable difference between these two things.

I tried to kill them with my whip of speed, but it was too weak.
I tried to kill them with the dark maul, but it was too slow.
I killed them with a dire flail of electrocution. It was just right.

People keep stating that offensive magic is stronger than melee, but that isn't so clear to me. That might just be an assumption brought in from other games. The best thing about magic it is that it's usually AOE, but numbers can be overcome with careful positioning. Most offensive spells don't seem...

Most spells have reliability based on spell success and effectiveness based on spellpower. This has a lot of nice results: -- Heavy armour restricts the level of spells you can cast but not the usefulness of any castable lower level spells. -- Low level spells continue to gain some power as characte...

So, if pillar dancing isn't okay, does that mean engaging each monster by throwing a stone and running back fifteen tiles before fighting isn't okay either?
I know it's currently optimal and it probably won't change just out of the difficulty of messing with it, but is that good game design? Really?

God abilities are powerful and often have costs that are less immediately replaceable than MP. You use them when you need them, but not otherwise. Melee works every turn. You use it as bread and butter damage. Spells occupy an annoying middle ground. You often use them as bread and butter abilities ...

khalil wrote:I just got the pun with their names. Gygax is probably rolling in his grave right now.

Wait, what's the pun? Am I missing something?

chukamok wrote:But they all have to be shapeshifters, because as we know, there are no true Scotsmen.

Well, not since they removed Mountain Dwarves.

Magipi wrote:
Igxfl wrote:Suggestion for April Fools 2015:

Trunk is exactly the same as normal, except the rate of shaft generation is multiplied by seven. Don't announce anything.

This is exactly what they did in 2014.

*Mind Blown*

Suggestion for April Fools 2015:

Trunk is exactly the same as normal, except the rate of shaft generation is multiplied by seven. Don't announce anything.

XuaXua, I don't have a team yet. I'll jump on board Deez Mangoes, alright?

Could felids with rods just be special-cased to deal bread ration levels of damage?

Fulsome Distillation has a lot of problems, but Evaporate could be pretty interesting if there weren't an infinite source of potions for it. It wouldn't even have to be level 6 triple school because of the inbuilt limit. Let's say Evaporate is an evocable rather than a spell, and we bring in Alchemi...

For practical purposes, though, the OpTm Statue Form vs. Blade Hands question is less related to damage than it is to whether you want to have good defenses but also be slow.

DgWz is good for the extreme flexibility, and super high int and low level spells means you need to invest very little XP before Call Imp and Mephitic Cloud take you straight through the early game. Just be ready to adapt to whatever good items you find.

Code:: An orc priest, an orc rabbi, and a scotsman come into view! The scotsman shouts! The orc priest calls down the wrath of his god! The orc rabbi says "Oy vey! God forbid we should introduce ourselves first!" The orc priest is struck blind by the wrath of Zin!

I have no opinion about the level of monster variety in Spider, but please no more acid in the main game. :cry:

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