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Unfortunately, this character splatted in Pandemonium after clearing Elf, Slime, Crypts (except for a corner w/ an archlich), and the Vestibule of Hell. He seems to have forgotten to finish Vaults . . . The splat happened when he tried to fight a Hell Sentinel in a corridor by using OoD and Tornado,...

Chain lightning one-shots fiends , by the way, and never misses. I'd heard good thing about chain lightning, but when I used it against 3 relatively mundane monsters standing next to me (stone giant + some zombie + yaktaur, or thereabouts) it took three shots to take them down. Is there some trick ...

Oh. Well, uh, dang. Die and learn.

Edit: How much space does tornado need to do full damage? Does it scale based on amount of empty tiles around you, or amount that monsters are moved by the tornado, or something?

I was in a corridor, and I was directly adjacent to the hell sentinel, so it was in the blast of the tornado for the entire duration. Does Tornado deal less damage in corridors?

Edit: oh, and hell sentiels aren't rElec+, they're rElec+++, e.g. completely immune.

So I just had my latest Draconian AE splat in Pandemonium, after running into a 4th Hell Sentinel. They're immune to electricity and cold, so my mainstays of Lightning Bolt and Freezing Cloud wouldn't do anything, and Ball Lightning and Chain Lightning of course wouldn't help, and Air Strike didn't ...

Cleared out Elf and got almost nothing to show for it (aside from three brief trips to the Abyss), but then I went to Crypt and found a pile of 2 cMut potions -- my first two of the game! I'm down to just +2 str / -2 dex and -1 dex, which is totally manageable, even if I'd rather have the dex points...

Oh, good to know. Here's the char dump: Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.12-a0-1096-gae766eb (tiles) character file. El Draco the Anemomancer (DrAE) Turns: 70330, Time: 05:39:18 HP 144/146 AC 25 Str 15 (19) XL: 21 Next: 25% MP 42/42 EV 13 Int 19 (22) God: Sif Muna [******] Gold 3950 SH 25 Dex 5 (7...

I've been playing AE characters recently, and let me just say that Lightning Bolt is totally worth it. It's a bit random -- it can miss or roll very low on damage -- but it's also capable of doing absurdly large damage. Few uniques resist lightning, and most of those uniques will go down in 1-3 doub...

I didn't think there would be guaranteed cMut potions in Slime, I just figured they might be present in the trove on Slime:6.

You don't need to use summoning as a mage-type character -- my 15 rune DEIE had no summons at all, and just used Ice Storm / LCS / Shatter to nuke everything that came into view. Granted, dragons would have been nice for mummy-killing, but they certainly weren't needed. Note that I'm not saying to a...

Oh, I just realized that I haven't done Elf yet. I should probably finish that up before going for Slime -- the loot at the end might have a cMut potation . . .

I'm on my 12th DrAE, a black-scaled one following 5 iron-scaled ones and 6 other non-iron ones. The game started on what seemed like a lucky note when I got 3 early scrolls of acquirement, each of which I spent on equipment. However, what I got were a pair of unusable gloves, a +3 shield of fire res...

Holding and constriction on whips make no sense. Whips do damage by lashing the enemy -- the tip of the whip flicks at amazing speeds and tears at flesh. A whip which is entangling a foe is simply not capable of doing anything else, particularly damaging that opponent. You can say realism isn't impo...

Did he wear FDA as armor for most of the duration of those games, or did he swap to it at a certain point (say, Zot 4) and then just not take it off until he made it out of the dungeon? Ending games in FDA makes sense because of Orbs of Fire, but I could imagine that he would have worn other armor b...

If you admit it's boring and inconsequential how about you help come up with ideas to change it? Oh wait - maybe you like boring, inconsequential things. There's already a plan to fix it: removing the boring traps completely. The reason your plan isn't a good one has already been explained: it leav...

Seems fairly similar to the unique efreet. I don't understand how "seemingly absorbing magic from everything" translates to "fire fire fire". As a minor quibble, wouldn't the scroll of immolation burn up?

I think the various internal penalties come in two flavors: 1) can be managed to avoid serious damage, and 2) can't be managed to avoid serious damage. The problem with the former is that they get managed most of the time and thus are meaningless, and the problem with the latter is that they tend to...

King_jelly wrote:You jerks don't like my idea for replacing a boring, inconsequential element of the game with a boring, mostly inconsequential but sometimes arbitrarily game-ending, essentially-identical idea? Well, you're lazy. And casual.

FTFY.

People are mentioning imps so much not because they're critical for each encounter, but rather because they're a key part of the Wizard's toolkit. The Wizard starting book has a way to solve just about any problem between the start of the game and the end of the lair, and while most problems can be ...

I've got a promising one in progress now -- he turned purple, which seems like the best color in a lot of ways. He's going with Sif Muna, who gifted the Book of Minor Magic early, and also a randart book with IMB and the Book of Power. Next on my list to learn is Freezing Cloud. I quaff-ID'd a potio...

In addition to the other advice given, throw spears and javelins to soften up enemies as they approach, only fight one enemy at a time, use wands against tough foes, and don't even start a fight unless you're certain you can win it, or you're fairly certain you can win and you have a way to escape s...

Lol! I assume he means damage per shot?

That character died, and I've run a few more DrAE since then. I managed to get one steam one, and one mottled one, before hitting yet another grey. The steam one was quite promising until he got cocky and tried to take on half of a split level that included a ton of slime creatures, Roxanne, and som...

As I learned the hard way on one of my promising characters, a single Yaktaur bolt can do > 50 damage. If it has any kind of brand on it, it could do more still. Do not underestimate Yaktaurs.

Oh -- I thought that the damage dealt was increased by a random number in the range 1 to bonus enchantment, meaning that +2 = +1 damage on average. If I've got that wrong, I apologize for the mistake.

Sadly, no -- that would be a huge power boost for AE. They have Flight and Static Discharge, which are both useful sometimes, but not as useful as Mephitic Cloud for a starting character. On a side note, I've learned to love Static Discharge -- it's the only L3 spell (aside from Mephitic Cloud) that...

I don't have a dump available right now, but the relevant details are these: I'm about level 8-9, worshipping Sif; I've got about 6 in Spellcasting*, Conjurations, and Air, and base values in all other skills. I'm on dungeon level 7-8 IIRC, with no Lair or Orc discovered. My only notable equipment b...

Er, when I say "run away", I mean escape in some way that doesn't allow you to be repeatedly hit with ice breath: blink, teleport, mb invis . . .

I agree with Psieye. Your biggest danger is ice breath, and conjure flame both blocks it and provides a powerful source of damage against the dragon if it walks through it. If you can keep laying down conjure flames defensively and use your wand whenever you have a turn that doesn't need to be spent...

rElec only appears on artifacts, so it's not that surprising that you didn't find any. Also, re: weapon choice, not only are the base damages more like what crate said, but also the real base damage is multiplied by weapon skill, and the enchantment bonus is not, so as your weapon skill goes up, the...

I've been playing a lot of Octopode Air Elementalists recently. My last win involved using Shatter and Ice Storm, and before that I had a powerful character with Fire Storm, and so I felt like I had explored the non-Air conjurations pretty well. My other casters were all Deep Elves, and I wanted to ...

Man, I'm pretty sure shields don't need to be nerfed. If any of these nerfing proposals happen, they would also need some large corresponding buffs.

aka ball python?

FWIW, base damage is way more important than enchantment damage, because it gets multiplied based on your weapon skill. The rule I've heard is that a higher base damage weapon is almost always better than a lower base damage weapon, barring extreme enchantment/ego differences. That said, demon tride...

+1 for Chimerae in Vaults -- it seemed like people mostly liked the Chimera monster proposal I threw out, but I'm not sure if any of those people were devs.

There's a lot of good criticism in this thread, but let me just say that I'm still pretty confident two of these abilities are actually quite strong: preventing monster shouts, and preventing your actions from making noise. Both of these abilities would potentially do a lot to allow you to take on e...

I like the initial proposal way more than most of the commenters, but I agree that as written it would turn into a totally worthless slog for characters who primarily do damage with melee attacks, poison, or necromancy and for characters with high metabolism. Animated launchers seems like an interes...

I like this proposal. It seems relatively complete and internally consistent. It seems exceptionally good for stabbers -- perhaps too much so, given the ability at ** -- but I'm sure it could be tweaked slightly if there were balance issues. I like the detail that casting-oriented characters might c...

The demigod wouldn't be excited about +2 scale mail if it lowers or fails to enhance their existing capabilities. They'd probably be quite pumped if it actually protected them from things. Perhaps you could rule that armor is only wearable if its AC bonus exceeds the demigod's native bonus or it has...

Divine creatures shouldn't be relying on equipment - they are naturally extremely powerful Most polytheistic gods have signature tools, armor, and/or weapons which enhance their divine power, and demigods like Hercules would certainly make use of powerful objects. I don't see any source in mytholog...

This isn't where I'd prefer to take the idea, but if we want to make beast form a bigger drawback, we could say that in beast form, the player is "unconscious" -- effectively, the game would fast-forward to the point where beast form was over. In between, the game would control the beast, ...

For all the reasons already stated, having this ability on monsters would be very, very dangerous. Even making it easy to evade doesn't help for two reasons: 1) you probably need more than 1 step to escape, and sooner or later the monster gets lucky, and 2) the players most likely to need to step aw...

Currently, fast monsters tend not to hit very hard, and hard-hitting monsters tend not to be very fast. As I understand it, this is so that you have a few turns to try to find a way to escape from a fast monster via a non-running method, whereas you can simply run away from a hard-hitting monster in...

Having it spontaneously happen on attack seems non-optimal to me, but I see what you mean about having it happen on a timer. Perhaps better to have it have a very, very small chance of happening on any given turn, but higher with tension? Or perhaps triggered by being hit, instead of by attacking (I...

Right, but you take 1 guaranteed turn to get between 0 and 2 chances to have a 1/3rd chance to confuse him for ~2-4 turns -- over all, you're probably losing more turns than you're gaining, unless you get lucky.

According to the learnDB, any given turn that Saint Roka is in the cloud, he'll have a 1/3 chance of becoming confused (14 HD means 14 in 21 chance of avoiding confusion). Add to that how quickly he'll recover from confusion, and it's probably not worth too much to try.

This idea came up before for long swords. One problem with it is that any monster chasing you with a mace would hit you every turn -- imagine a fight with an Ogre with a GSC goes wrong: if you run from it, it gets a free, extra-deadly attack with each step!

I'm not particularly excited about the other werewolf race concept being discussed, but I think werewolves would make a good new race, so I'm starting this second thread to detail my alternative. Werewolf means man-wolf, and it refers to someone who is usually a man but stalks the night as a wolf. H...

Your wand probably won't do much against him, since his MR is reasonably high. Fireball might if he isn't wearing resistant armor and if you get the power on fireball high enough. OoD will, but it'll probably take several casts to knock him down, given that you have it at only okay power. You are fa...

Yeah, staff of earth is an amazingly good weapon. I used it on my 15-rune caster who picked up Ice Storm and Shatter, and it took 1-2 hits to kill pretty much anything it was used against. Having it meant I only needed to use spells against groups and monsters who were too dangerous to leave alive i...

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