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Ds spirit shield is actually really good on casters though...

Use corpse rot+corpse drop more.

No kiku worshiper should be dieing to living enemies.

The recommended combo's are often wrong.

Just enchant the glaive up, get idealize consistant and tab dumping into str/dex. Spectral at 28% is tolerable for now.

Once you're comfortable with your armor/dodge/fight get spectral and regen sub 10% and invest in evo/light tloc.

Gh is hybrid at best by nature. Go mele once you have sand blast and passwall lowish. Dump into int if you want really want spells go for LRD and petrify in lair. First viable god is first viable god unless that god is veh or sif. Uac is fine if you fail to find early sexybrand. Keep your spell sele...

The reason mele ogres shy from big clubs now has very little do do with the +1 polearms apt and everything to do with large race shield interaction.

Early damage vs survivability scaling is just drasticly better with 1h+board unless there is a very spikey weapon apt.

Worst case scenario you train a bit of stealth and get a free rune ^_^

Not certain why Ds got brought up in the OP when this has nothing to do with DS.

The core issue here is there's no reason to ever not Spec for Air. On EE.

You'd need to lower throwing to -5 with the current apts to actually create a meaningful decision. Not a terribly complex choice, just a binary "do I want throwing or other thing" choice. At most there are 4 weapon related options on any species. Everything else is decided at character cre...

I rather like power leap.

Turns out the reason Ogres had a +3 weapon apt was to con the player into making a meaningful decision past the character creation screen that encompassed every viable arms/spell/armor setup in the game.

You can argue unique flavor i guess? The gameplay for newogre is not remotely unique though. Strictly vannila. Also weaker, on book starts.

Previously ogres weilded 2 hander, light 1 hander and shield, or heavy 1 hander with shield. Now they all weild light 1 hander with shield. Weapon choice has been diversified. Edit: intutive spellcasting falls under the old tabletop trope of "npc" class mages who could cast but were totaly...

Shard1697 wrote:why have centaurs in the game?

Pretty much this.

"Hi, stop the shit or fuck off."

Is my go to response, has worked 100% of the time.

So, because this is a game, when does fun get added back to the design philosophy?

New skilling makes dogs quite fun and semi-unique in a non invasive way.

Shoutitis would screw with that oh so nice +4 early stealth mod so i'm not entirely sold on this. Quazlal level noise while berserking would be interesting though.

TD is an often unsung hero.

How is the rest of the school based around "frying off your own eyebrows and indiscriminately blowing up everything on screen"? I don't know about you but I don't ever normally hurt myself with my own fire magic spells(or usually affect that much of the screen), even fireball can be used ...

Yes.

It's also a highly situational escape tool, ally generator, and cloud generator.

Strong potion is strong.

Slouch is Chei's weakest power by far.

Brilliance is pretty strong on mele if you like not dieing to missiles.

Well, the rest of the school is based around frying off your own eyebrows and indiscriminately blowing up everything on screen flavor wise, and rewards you for doing so mechanically. Ignition is almost almost as silly and redundant as adding a spell to fire that amounts to "so it's Iron shot/LR...

The same reason Tyrant Leaches do not become the sole leader of a nation via violent means.

Dfireball Self, Fireball Self also worked in this context. I'm sure someone will rag on this "suboptimal" play but it's FE, you're rocking RF++ minimum because you're playing FE. Ice needs the midgame fluidity buff far more than fire ever will since optimal skilling involves capping ice in...

Inner flame/Cflame is almost strictly better in any situation I would want this. The joke behind ignition is that more damage is the last thing fire needs as a spellschool. If you actually read the thread properly, you'd know that it was basically about a fire-elemental scattershot, and scattershot...

I'd be fine with Ash taking her rightful place in the SSS+ tier.

I strictly oppose the removal of the 2nd best spell in the book of flames for this hot garbage.

Inner flame/Cflame is almost strictly better in any situation I would want this.

The joke behind ignition is that more damage is the last thing fire needs as a spellschool.

Use a launcher/javalins in zot (arbalest for preference) and go for a god that gives escape options (Dith, Chei, Zin, Lucy, Kiku, Ru, Gozag)

If you do go okatrog stockpile sacks and boxes for the lungs and overtrain evo.

All gods give only one mission.

Get the band back together, do a show, save the orphanage.

Reward, new evocables that runs on invocations. Half a pack of cigarettes, sunglasses.

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NhorianScum wrote:What if high elves could jump.

They'd still be a Tolkien reference, lol.

Nah its fine rename them alpi and have them reference Germanic folklore instead.

What if high elves could jump.

Pull the trigger and look at the auts for last action.

NGL, the OP's reasons for removal make for an accurate list of reasons I worship Beogh.

I'm pretty sure a slow but sure tweaking of the Ai to not charge dick first through doors and corners would be a more impactful change. Also not fucking awful to play.

Stopped reading at "100% damage in mele" because that's bad and you should feel bad.

I'd prefer merging charms and air if any merger was done.

Or just actually fleshing out the charms school again/bringing magic as a whole up to par with necromancy/fire.

Op already has more slots than any other species in the game. Giving it another aux armour slot just increases its late-game power further while doing basically nothing for its early-game power - most characters don't find cloaks at all in the first few dungeon levels, let alone enchanted ones. If ...

Just slap on a 5% chance of rotting one hp to match the flavor and make "optimal play" a terrible idea. It's not a drawback in casual/efficient play where you use regen 50-100 times per 3 rune game but is an efficient way to keep the insane optimal scenario's where you punch regen a few th...

Utility spells are cheap on Chei, translocations are your friend.

Evo is always value.

Throwing is huge value on Chei. Pick up a blowgun and some javalins.

Spam Chei powers constantly.

Sounds horrible but I want it.

Pet Greater Naga's/Vashnia sound super balanced.

Totaly for capetopodes.

I do feel like Mu scales decently in the midgame though provided you focus only the core skills and take Ru/Gozag/Ash/Mak feels about on-par with Hu. Comparing other races to the obscene power spike that is Ds/Na midgame is a tad unfair.

Did not see Rpois so Parrow is a really ugly thing. Mostly mitigated by optimal play but that just causes death via cntrl+Q.

Shoals.

Or if you're feeling ballsy slime.

Snake can instantly kill this dude and almost nothing in that branch respects summon walls or rmissl.

Yes.

Cloud + animate is the most absurdly easy way to cheese out swamp 4's rune vault

Slouch spam on a slow race with faith is effectively infinite. You actually gain piety. While this is somewhat true, you're seriously overestimating how slow movement speed affects slouch damage. It can't one or two shot OoFs even if you need 50 aut to move a single tile. Even if you can three-four...

Slouch spam on a slow race with faith is effectively infinite. You actually gain piety. Shields at 2.4 Large shields at 9 is reasonable. Weapon conduct is unessecary as is the UAC boost. The race naturaly slants to heavy arms and statue. Modify apts to reflect this if you need to. Hell modify apts f...

Still better than fox people, and posted in the proper subsection to boot!

So with a hat of pondering does this just flat one shot OOF's with slouch?

Why not back to +3? Did anyone except duvessa think Ogres were overpowered (who would probably argue mummies are overpowered because crawl is so trivial) before this change? If anything, since ogres are often stuck in robes for much of the game, having the old maces apt back could open up a melee/c...

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