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+1 for bcadren/bloax making a few official sprites replacements(older, outdated sprites).

Heyoooo. Results in the first post. Thanks for taking part again. :mrgreen: The two species voted the 'weakest' were also voted the most boring. :shock: Ghouls and Demigods are pretty far down there for both as well... Well let's take care of that. Merge all four together. Hungerless Undead Godless...

very cool

dck wrote:it's surprising people's opinions can be this wrong

I don't think subjective opinions of what is fun to someone can be 'wrong'.

Doesn't mean you can't disagree, though.

I'm surprised Deep Dwarves got so much love. By mid game, I'm trying to kill mine usually. Hate those things.

Heyoooo. Results in the first post. Thanks for taking part again. :mrgreen:

The two species voted the 'weakest' were also voted the most boring. :shock:

If Nemelex actually gets removed, he totally deserves his own spinoff game.

Ramsay Snow wrote:If you think this has a happy ending, you haven't been paying attention.

Will post results tomorrow

Doesn't it make you hungry? So it's not infinite anyways~

Good job

The Wall doesn't mean it turns into a mummy btw. It means you go from tabbing anything mindlessly to easily dead if you keep doing so. A noticeable difference occurs where you're seemingly invincible early game and have to actually start using your head mid-mid game.

I play a lot of Trolls and they all hit the wall around Lair.

Proposal: Give Xom a sombrero.

Someone came up with the term 'Procedural Death Labyrinth' for non-traditional roguelikes.
Binding of Isaac, FTL, etc.

Sandman25 wrote:This poll is much harder to answer. I suspect we will not have any consensus here.

Very subjective.

The good part is GDD getting flooded with 'see this is boring, change nao!!111' threads and watching the devs do this.

Spoiler: show

Results So boring, I'm sleeping! Mummies Felids Meh Spriggans Centaurs Demigods Ghouls Vampires High Elves Average Trolls Halflings Kobolds Hill Orcs Tengu Gargoyles Minotaurs Merfolk Interesting Deep Dwarves Draconians Nagas Formicids Octopodes Vine Stalkers Ogres Humans Deep Elves More fun than X...

I don't think it's 'felids suck' as much as 'mummies are ten levels below everything else'.

Results in the first post. Thanks for taking part. :mrgreen:

If the devs ever feel like embracing the 'species are difficulties' thing, they have the Tavern's opinion on what 'Easy-Normal-Hard' should look like now.
Also a weakest-to-strongest list to unleash raging debates.

I suggest reading A Song of Ice and Fire(series).

Everything OHK's you. :cry:

*rubs eyes* Reading after playing an hour with Dithmenos, just ouch.
Do you read books?

A lot of these are considered things that could be removed/improved by many.

The fact that the game is so awesome even with so much stuff to hate is a good thing, though. The sky is still the limit.

Still have 8 spots 'til 27.

Would cards be removed if Nemelex goes?

zardo wrote:
Klown wrote: It's absurdly powerful.

Humans must be insanely OP then. This design is a slightly 1-up'ed human who loses OP gods.

Over twice as many mummies played. Even though Mu is the weakest species, it brings some desire-ability to the table with no hunger. The core design is still there. Highest stats, no god. There's already a load of '-1 across the board; species, Demonspawn and Mummies are more fun and desireable as s...

that would be me. I think fast movement is not worth not being able to use claymores and javelins.[/joke] Whoever thought that try a Sp{Foo} of Okawaru with at least 8 throwing skill. kite everything to death with Needles and tomahawks; get lots of Curare and wellbranded darts and tomahawks from yo...

Results of 'easy-normal-hard' difficulty coming Sunday.
In the meantime, one person voted Spriggans underpowered.

File200 wrote:Zin is awfully greedy for a "Good God."

10% is cheaper than my income tax.

zardo wrote:this would be better if you could vote on a ranking

What do you mean by this, exactly? :idea:

Hmm...apparently only I can see the results. I'll post them on Sunday once lots of votes come in.

Pretty good turnout, 48-49 votes on most of these! Here are the results of what most people think along with the % that voted for that winning Strength level. Then in order from weakest to strongest going by their averages. For example, Ogres won as 'average' but had many votes in 'below average' so...

It's rare to go all the way to starving without finding food or corpses to eat(at least, that early), but it's happened to me a couple times in the past(not ogres, but same death).

Is that the vault circle again? That thing is like McDonalds. 99 Billion served(cold hard death).

KittenInMyCerealz wrote:I like it. There should be more uniques on the lower floors. It should appear a bit deeper though, if you run into him on D4 you just get instakilled i think.
Also is it a human or some other race?

Human.

15 EV is HUGE for early dungeon, and giving an unrandart leather armor all the time is probably too much. Make it usually an enchanted one, with a chance to be an unrand? Seems like all that ranged damage (branded tomahawks can be nasty) might be more suited for d8-10, and lair 1-4 or so. But that ...

n1000 wrote:laying the stereotypes on a bit thick don't you think

I'm part Native American, this is all historically accurate.

The son of Runs-With-Buffaloes, Redhawk is a tomahawk throwing Chief from a nearby tribe. He always has randomly branded tomahawks along with a leather armour, and a war axe. After getting trampled in a buffalo stampede, he's chosen to enter the Dungeon to train his skills and become a worthy hunter...

Slowly dropping the ID minigame and going the way of ToME's no mystery items.
<3

Tough skin merry go round?
Centaur: Tough Skin 3 -> Tough Skin 1. He can wear all armor and run at blazing speed anyways.
Ogre: Tough Skin 1 -> Tough Skin 3. Needs it badly.

Makes sense for both flavor and balance.

Sandman25 wrote:Guide "How to make crawl species perfect":
1) Remove the most boring species because it is BORING.
2) Go to step 1.

I don't think they are boring. I mean, they get GSC and large rocks, which is about as fun as it gets for standard whack'n'throw games.

If it's not nice enough to keep, why is it pwning you into using potions to stay alive? The player is tougher than most enemies on each level. If it hurts you, it should hurt them.

Just had a level 6 Ogre Berserker die to Grinder. Trog's hand + berserk = still lose.
I can have a level 2-3 Minotaur drop Grinder easily.
Change their name to 'Large Fairy' and we're all good.

Assault Cube(PC), Yoshi's New Island(3DS), NBA Jam(Android), Tiger Woods PGA Tour 2012(Wii).

It just seems off when a yak hits you and you're in the red...when you're some ten foot tall, thousand pound ogre.

raise their weapon/shield apts!

Okawaru feels so bleh compared to Trog.
heroism and finesse...I'll still get lit up by Death yaks in lair.
Berserk mows through everything and that's not including hand & brothers. o.o;
Then Oka gifts me junk, Trog gives me supergodlyantimagic claymores.
And doesn't require 10 or so invocations.

Redcap = 10x more interesting than Ha & Ko combined.

That's terrible. :cry:

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