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I could be wrong, but from reading this thread I think that you would be best off with a deep dwarf, even a ddfi. It's not much different from mifi, which you are comfortable with, except it 'scales' better and you don't have to do any god switching. You can even get shatter or some other spells qui...

tw just makes them wander, which allows them to either 'bump into' the unseen horror or retaliate against it when it attacks them.

Heh so stay away from Large Shields because their base defense is terrible for their encumbrance? (I've never found a hat of pondering sounds ponderous.) Also newbie traps or no there must be SOME purpose for these items aside from leading hapless idiots to their demise...(I mean the characters.) T...

I am really interested to compare ways of dealing with Unseen Horror as DEVM in open terrain with sInv (just kill it with Venom Bolt) and without sInv (no consumables?). One of the reasons I like unseen horrors is because there are so many possible ways to deal with them. I assume you mean early en...

Crawl is not angband. You don't actually need see invis (very few monsters start out invisible and almost every invisible monster moves predictably) or a suite of resistances. Sometimes I find see invis and just leave it on the ground, so the idea that you're using crappy items on purpose for see in...

Crawl has some items that look like they're really good because of numbers they give your character but are essentially newbie traps. Hat of pondering and large shields are a couple of other examples.

Makhleb is definitely one of the first gods I would recommend to a new player. Not only is he easy to use and strong, but he's also probably the best god to learn to use: Makhleb is one of the only gods that goes well with every single type of character. The primary competition is Nemelex, but Nemel...

This reminds me a lot of one of my proposals:

https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=8950&p=121967&hilit=feastinarious#p121967

Though to be honest your discussion of how the Fsim breaks down %s and such based on x and y skills went pretty much over my head and that is way too much math for a fun game. (IE not my style to know all that stuff. Surely there is a better way to know when skill breaks should happen? This level o...

Conversly, what are good defenses to aim for by/during Lair? I'm playing the game mostly by ear and just sorta aim for 30/30 AC/EV by Zot. (More is better, sure, but I wouldn't put more into a skill over 15 to get 1 more point by then). In case this isn't clear, I'm actually curious ;) It is true t...

Do you have some Stealth? I know it seems counterintuitive when you're using loud blasty spells all the time, but a couple of levels in Stealth can help a lot. With an aptitude of +3 you should try and aim for 8-10 Stealth by end of lair and see how it plays for you. It'll help by not waking up or ...

Weeksy wrote:The question that has arisen is under what circumstances does it make sense for a character that is looking to be flexible to start training unarmed?

You are playing a demonspawn and you get claws on d:1. That's about it, going by what you are describing.

Most advice you will get about crawl is bad in some way, and encouraging OOD timer paranoia is a pretty clear example.

In conclusion, Okawaru is awful. =P

go team numpad

It's also true that you don't need to learn a spell just because it's in your starting book, even if it is a good one. You could play an ae that never uses lightning bolt, and it would be perfectly fine. This decision is more about lightning bolt than about being ae or whatever.

I like the comparisons. "Being in sticky flame for a turn damages your scrolls as much as falling in lava."

Mikee said: " I know you probably have your reasons, but the skills in that dump are much worse than you would have gotten from automatic. Good luck." I doubt my reasons were sound enough. This is something that has been tough to figure out. Exactly what numbers are good for what areas an...

I have played all of the roguelikes you've mentioned except for Portalis, and one clear difference is that crawl is much more tactical and enclosed and therefore more difficult. There are not really infinite sources of anything - i.e., of whatever items you find, that is it for that game. This means...

When I was 5 years old, my dog Skippy got hit by a car. He got bodied.

If you die in abyss like this, the problem is most likely not using enough plies. Playing slowly when you are not sure what to do is a good idea, and you can take advantage of that time to try to predict what is going to happen and plan for it. For instance, you have a variety of fast or ranged thre...

duvessa wrote:Curious about Tavern's opinion on this.

Did someone hack your account?

Did you know that if you get hit by sticky flame and you have one scroll (instead of a stack) you are trying to protect, optimal play is to throw it and not to drop it? How cool is that?

OP, you might have a good point or two hidden beneath all that rage of yours, but no one is going to take you seriously while you have such a childish, confrontational attitude. Their problem. Not mine. Their problem is not taking you seriously while you have such a childish, confrontational attitu...

dictatorial mock election

So many mikee item... A quick suggestion: use a staff of wizardry to cast your spells. This actually saves a lot of xp, especially on a troll. The rest can be put into fighting, which will help you rip everything apart even more. Shield of resistance might be better for like, zot, but yes you don't ...

I think he gets it by now guys Honestly, I doubt it. A similar premise came up in irc once ('d:1 is just impossible for characters like defe. jackals and hobgoblins with clubs are a DEATH SENTENCE, etc. etc.'). I demonstrated clearing d:1 with that character a bunch of times in a row - probably lik...

In the part of the game that you are at (xl 7 with a drwz), there are only a few spells that would influence my decision making. These tend to be very xp efficient and directly help the character as soon as possible: sticky flame, ensorcelled hibernation (if interested in stabbing)... I can't actual...

dck is a consistent source of clarity that is often sorely needed in advice threads. If I were a new player, I would definitely want his advice. I am in favor of all four.

Probably I would pick Okawaru or Kiku. It's unlikely that I would have conjurations higher than 5 or so, and the only spells from the starting book I would be using are magic dart and blink. With a few exceptions, I just don't really care about spells at this point in the game. I don't know if this ...

People like you are probably the second greatest barrier because your primary interest is always in winning some argument rather than helping people, and the advice you give is almost always wrong in some way because you take zero time to actually think about or test it. So I end up having to compet...

https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=7575&p=102656#p102656

For me, the wiki as an entity is the single greatest barrier for helping new players understand the game.

I don't know if you've had positive experiences doing what you're describing - if so, terrific, but probably this guy should do the 8 levels of xp and loot before 3 dangerous levels of almost no xp and no loot.

there's not a lot of brilliance because i drink brilliance for food

I don't really care for iood, personally; I would rather have something more reliable and efficient, even though it is cool. In any case, this character does not need it (even if it could cast it right now). I also don't think that dagger is particularly good. With your slaying it's sort of OK, but ...

I guess the question that was raised for me is: 'if muck chaos stabbing can get you as far as lair, how far can strategies inferior to muck chaos stabbing can get you?' Temple, perhaps? =P

Tavern's standards have really gone down if a strategy only has be able to get you to lair and orc for someone to aggressively defend it. I thought you had to get to at least vaults:2 to write a guide here.

I'm so sick of these 'experienced players!' Those blue-named buttholes like duvessa and dck are always so mean to me just to pat themselves on the back, you know what I mean? Huh, mopl wanted help? I'm busy defending myself from this INJUSTICE.

You'd need: 1. Tele wand; 2. Potion of speed; 3. Potion of might; 4. Potion of agility; 5. Monstrous offense and defense in general. YOU FORGOT 6. HAVE FUN Haha, you're touchy, man. It's just Dungeon Crawl. Relax =) STOP YELLING AT ME. IM JUST TRYING TO MAKE A JOKE. DO YOU HAVE TO BE SO SERIOUS?

pratamawirya wrote:You'd need:
1. Tele wand;
2. Potion of speed;
3. Potion of might;
4. Potion of agility;
5. Monstrous offense and defense in general.

YOU FORGOT 6. HAVE FUN

I'M NOT AGAINST FUN. HAVE A BLAST. TRY OUT SOME COOL STRATEGIES IN WIZMODE MAYBE.

Has no one noticed that eating makes you helpless, as in guaranteed to get hit? It's probably one of the two worst things you could do while teleporting, the other being like taking off your armour or something. So yeah - when in doubt about how a mechanic works, just play normally. The same applies...

Doesn't this assume that everybody in every circumstance was going to zap-ID a wand in a meaningless manner (e.g., at a rat)? Surely alternative behavior beyond even kilobyte's observation exists. People do, for instance, scroll-ID wands in lots of cases. Some of them are identified by monsters zapp...

@crate,wheals,one-eyed jack: Not everything that is discussed is going to make it into the game, so throwing an idea out the window before even exploring the options is unwise. While I do agree zealots a bad design decision, I think this is an interesting idea that is worth exploring, if for nothin...

So fine, what are the results against a stone giant? Just looking at % increases of damage and ev don't mean very much without context. Avg HP loss and turns taken to kill some monster are much more relevant. I don't understand this pattern of question/suggestion. Do you need instructions for using...

Doesn't dexterity also increase your damage (particularly your accuracy)? Not that I greatly care, as we're talking about a total 9 stat points over the course of a game that gets progressively easier the longer it goes on. You can even win easily wearing rpois over slaying. =P

I think an argument can be made to forgo conventional forum wisdom and ignore Dex and Ev entirely, putting all points into Str. Throwing weapons and GSC are (allegedly) heavily Str loaded for damage calculations. You will have plenty survivability even with a useless Ev score. Javelins of penetrati...

Are you pretty sure I was using the best weapon? There are games which provide an easy answer to question "which weapon is the best vs cyan Ugly Thing" at Str 27, Dex 15, Fighting 21.8 and M&F 22.3 a - the +2,+11 giant club "Duppof" {crush, Str+4} b - the +1,+8 giant spiked ...

Sandman25 wrote:So that battleaxe had AC 25, EV 17, 50 HP, damage 30 and speed 13.

Doesn't it also count as wielding the weapon that it is, so its damage is actually 45 with draining?

I think you've answered your own question. You are best off staying with a demon trident and gaining tons of dodging and fighting and then switching to the bardiche when you have the spare xp and it's relevant to do so. Neither a plain shield of reflection nor a large shield will ever be very good f...

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