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stormdragon wrote:the bonus this gives is not multiplied by Fighting, so it is not apples-to-apples the same type of damage growth as UC

This is just a flat-out lie.

Some comparisons to illustrate this: at 1 UC, your punch has a base damage of 4, like a +0 dagger - quite bad. At 10 UC, your punch has a base damage of 13, like a +0 morningstar - a bit bad for that point in the game. At 20 UC, your punch has a base damage of 23, which is literally more than any w...

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and, in particular, it can do a better job than someone who doesn't know what they're doing. Perhaps this is less a defense of autotraining and more an indictment of the skill system's clarity. The reason autotraining works fine is that baseline player characters are so strong compared to the dunge...

The potion is a duplicate of one he's carrying so he drinks it. "you feel very sick", and he loses three points of Strength! It was Poison. This puts his Strength down from its starting 16 to 13. This isn't a huge problem yet, but with Giant Ants around the Strength loss may continue. A S...

ebering wrote:In this thread please don't comment with: complaints about nerfs just because they're nerfs, complaints about your favorite spell being removed, or off-the-wall theory crafting.

Siegurt wrote:but it's not good enough for level 3, as a level 3 spell it's worse than most level 2 spells.

to be fair, most level X spells are worse than most level X-1 spells

petercordia wrote:I wouldn't mind using 'turn' to mean 10 auts.

People uncritically using 'turn' like this is the reason this whole debacle exists in the first place.

Definitely just get rid of the decimal point.

Sprucery wrote:I think the fact that the inventory size is limited means that inventory management is meant to be part of playing the game proper.

I think it just means that there are 26 letters on most keyboards.

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Still I think it's a better design, all else equal, the thinner the edge fsimming gives you. I'm saying that I don't believe showing damage dealt would thin that edge. This isn't a game where weapon A does 5 damage and weapon B does 6 damage, it's a game where hits with this +4 flail do between 0 d...

An issue with restoring your revive upon leveling up, whether you take away the XP progress or not, is that each XL is more expensive than the last. This means you're incentivized to keep your XL low, so that you can get your revive back faster if you die.

do you just always retreat from orc priests, since killing them doesn't un-smite you?

"Which weapon does more damage" is a very common question, and one that experienced and good players have trouble answering too. I don't think showing the damage of your hits would actually help players answer this question, because the variance of weapon damage is so high. And if finding...

The reason you want to close distance is at minimum the monster has a chance to hit you with an attack that is weaker than its ranged options (IE orc priest choosing melee over smite). This isn't true. The chance of an orc priest smiting is the same whether you're next to it or not. Same for monste...

Showing a monster's exact HP would definitely make DCSS worse, because you'd get advantages from constantly monitoring it. For example, if you know a monster has 1 HP left, you know it's better to cast Freeze than to attack it with a weapon (or cast almost anything else). If you just know that the m...

Although pertaining to Oka specifically Finesse can make you .35 auts per attack (with max UC) and dragon form will cap out at .3 auts. So specifically for the corner case of being Oka the difference is lessened, although that last .05 auts is actually still a lot. This isn't true. The hard cap for...

It's not limited to polearms; other items carried by monsters have the same problem. I think it's better to move towards the solution of monsters not using items at all. (Orc warriors can get more innate AC, gnolls can get innate reaching, centaurs/stone giants/etc can get spells that shoot an arrow...

tealizard wrote:Frankly, there's more potential in moving beyond "weapon classes" as traditionally conceived in crawl

Cool, still not going to happen

Another suggestion: corona could make it impossible to miss the affected actor If you do either of these you have to increase the spell several levels or it will be absurdly overpowered. Although sometimes it does seem like being absurdly overpowered is the main design goal for level 1 spells... Th...

For what it's worth, ebering's math in the PR comment is wrong because it equivocates weapon base damage to unarmed base damage, which is only accurate when weapon skill is 0. Using a giant club is not a "playstyle." What are you talking about? They are just a kind of melee weapon. No spec...

Rogue is well-known for its complex skill system

Not wearing your armour or shield is bad against all of those monsters. Everything those monsters do checks AC except for smite and pain (which are not the only things an orc priest will do), everything those monsters do can be blocked except for smite, pain, and magic dart (which is not the only th...

also all those vaults with cloud generators

Portal projectile also provides a huge accuracy boost if you have spell power, so it's clearly better than penetration against single targets that have nonzero EV and aren't wearing shields. Also if there's a weak hostile monster in front of a stronger hostile monster, you often would rather only hi...

That was bad advice when mikee gave it and it's bad advice now. Don't take off your shield until you find a two-handed weapon or spells. Shield penalties to attack delay are not nearly that bad. And body armour penalties to weapons are completely meaningless (don't bring up how often you get "Y...

The strategy that's effective for me is train Unarmed to around 6, where you get the first mindelay increase It doesn't work like this anymore (and when it did the breakpoints were at multiples of 5, not 6). The delay is randomly rounded now so that each level of unarmed combat skill reduces delay ...

b0rsuk wrote:For the purpose of this thread we'll assume the goal is to maximize AC+EV+SH (the sum).

this is a hell of an assumption

you are a small species and addicted to shields

If you want a species where using giant clubs is optimal you have to nerf throwing. Giant clubs are already the best melee option for ogres but melee still just sucks for them compared to throwing.

b0rsuk wrote:The kicker: activated powers were balanced

lol

That's why I specified it as a weapon, not as ammo. Ammo and quivering would be gone in this hypothetical. There'd still be plenty of situations where you'd want to unwield the weapon, but unwielding isn't instant, at least.

Don't use the targeter. Do this instead: whenever you move, the weapon attacks the nearest monster in that direction. Instead of a standing throw, just allow melee attacks with the weapon.

couldn't a group of yaktaurs also shout and bring down a group of yaktaurs on you

yeah the balance point is at zero beam spells and its not being hit. #removeboltofmagma

Fingolfin wrote:Also Beogh

the game doesn't need to generate trash enemies just because one god uses them. you can make beogh give you orcs more often to compensate

Spiny frogs have a silly name, because they sound like they have spines, but they don't. the name "spiny frog" for the monster predates monster spines. so this should be blamed on the introduction of monster spines instead, which were a terrible addition to the game that should be removed...

b0rsuk wrote:Why not just make monsters NOT follow upstairs at all? You could even make them surround the staircase, or summon help from other parts of the level.

yeah stairdancing isn't good against zombies at all

edit: i am being sarcastic

tealizard wrote:Not interested in controversy about my analysis of layouts and their impact on crawl tactics. Only interested in methods of processing existing layouts to resolve the issues I've outlined above.

Then you posted this topic in the wrong subforum. Try CYC or Coding.

chequers wrote:The purpose of this thread is to talk about how to nerf stair dancing. Talking about if stair dancing should be nerfed is off topic for the thread.

It only protects you from the clouds, not the impact of the breath spell.

except statues

It's not like an unspoiled player can make an informed decision about skill training or weapon selection either. Stats are hardly an outlier in that regard.

I think 4Hooves2Appendages is talking about the dodging penalty from body armour, which actually does still have a breakpoint at str = ER-2, and which actually doesn't have an ER^2 term. (Of course, just because you have a breakpoint there does not mean that is what you should raise strength to; rai...

Moanerette wrote:Then a player can still escape those 'Sigmund and Grinder and two orc priests in a room oh my' occasions, but that would be it.

These situations are good and players shouldn't get an automatic escape from them

Agony was overpowered (and probably still is), it would make perfect sense to nerf it for nerfing's sake, even if that was the only purpose of the change (it wasn't). Dispel undead should go back to level 4 or just be removed entirely, though.

I don't like the idea of monsters coming up stairs after a delay. First, it gives players even more stuff to keep track of (counting down the turns until the monster comes through the stairs). Second, it reduces the separation between levels of the game, making them more like one larger level...and ...

Hatches are unchanged. Hatches can be used for all the same dancing that stairs can, the level layout is just sometimes not amenable to it (which is true of staircases too to be honest; attempting to stairdance on vaults:$ was usually bad even before vault wardens were added). Whatever change you m...

banishing a monster can completely destroy its items and some of its XP; surely that is more annoying?

when i was in middle and high school i was one of those annoying "debate me" atheists and just a giant asshole in general (as you do when you're in middle and high school (i'm still an asshole yes but not as much of one)) and one time i called this old guy a moron because he said he didn't...

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