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Worship Chei because you will be able to use aftefacts with stat penalties like +1 pair of boots of Absence {rF+ Str-3 Dex+3 Stlth+} and amulet of Waog {+Fly rElec Regen+ Str-5 Stlth+}.

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If I'm a long blade or mace user I'll just train the shield and stick with one-handers. Scimitars and morning stars will last you long enough until you find the top tier one-handers. If I'm a using axes or polearms I'll ditch the shiled as soon as I find a decent two-hander. But then again, if I do...

I think it's not a guess but some memories from previous threads where it was supported by fsim results and common logic

You should always learn Passage of Golubria as MiFi, after that you can stop training Translocations for CBlink and switch to heavy armour from robe.

By the way fighting an early ogre with IE is a bad idea indeed, FE is better in this case because you can often retreat into a corridor and conjure some flame there. So I believe if some player does not mind restarts on D:1 but dies to ogres often, then FE is better for them indeed. I rate FE higher...

Sar wrote:"You don't need defenses/consumables if you're playing smart" is my favorite Crawl meme.

But it's true about defenses. You can skillrobin Fighting to 27 as Tr and kill everything with Apocalypse.

how is FE better than IE or even AE Easily after getting level 3 spells online. Conjure Flame allows to escape, Sticky Flame rules when you enter a new level and find an adjacent Elephant, Fireball allows to kill packs in the open. IE is better on D:1 of course. Probably I am still a bad AE player,...

Int 23 is typical Int for a hybrid IMHO. It looks like you put most bonus points into Str, use some MDA/FDA/IDA/ring mail in this case. Heavier body armour would naturally force you to ignore stealth and train magic skills higher which is good for spell power provided it was multiplied by augmentati...

Shard1697 wrote:Having stuff like dex affecting spellcasting speed makes me want to throw myself off a cliff

Yes, that was one of the reasons why I stopped playing that fork. I am not suggesting the change, just asking for opinions about hybridization and variation

I'll leave the discussion of what is "optimal", not "optimal", whether "hybridization" is a good thing, what it even is, etc. to people smarter and far better at the game than I. However...I've managed 15 runes with two different pure melee characters. One of them *kne...

jwoodward48ss wrote:How does the latter change increase differences? It seems like you'd just find every conjurer doing all conj, instead of focusing on one element.

Spells were changed too. Fire Storm is pure Fire in that fork.

I'm more curious as to how he solved the problem he saw, rather than naval gazing over whether or not it's a problem to begin with. Basically you have a shared resource which is spent when attacking with melee, ranged and spells. You cannot be great with weapon unless you have high Str, Fighting, W...

Those skills are mandatory for any character and does not make you a hybrid, from my point of view, at least. Being good at surviving and killing does not equal hybrid, being good at killing with a combination of different trained weapon(both melee and ranged) and spells do. I think if you have wea...

Lol no. Playing a hybrid is way more interesting and weaker than playing a focused character, you may at best want to get basic spells like regen, blink, repel, meph cloud. Do you mean it is optimal to ignore weapon/fighting/armour with human magic background? That quote was about the whole game, n...

DCSS CA fork has a chance to identify items with XP, this is the way to go IMHO as it increases options, for example, you are not obligated to blindly read unknown scrolls to find scroll of identify or scrolls from packs.

Shard1697 wrote:I don't see why a varied approach shouldn't be optimal.

What do you mean?

I pretty much always hybridized whatever I was playing, since the cost was relatively low, and the gain quite high. This dulls the differences between different games, making things less interesting, and reducing replayability. A hybrid is a fun option to have, but it shouldn't be always the optima...

and into wrote:Fortunately having good AC and good EV are not mutually exclusive.

Probably we should remove this no-brainer. It is boring not to waste any XP when switching body armour.

I would probably use a ring mail and train some Dodging. Don't go all the way to min delay, it is almost never a good idea (quickblade might be an exception).

Or explore other branch.

Last floors of branches with good loot/danger ratio: Elf, Crypt, Slime, Lair, Orc (need gold for the latter).
Last floors of branches with bad loot/danger ratio: Hell, Abyss, Pan, Shoals, Vaults, Tomb.
Last floors of branches with basically no loot: Spider, Swamp, Snake, Zot.

Corona is excellent spell for conserving ammo and hitting high EV targets.
Slow is my opening spell vs fast monsters like Adder (followed by Corona) and high HP monsters like Ogre.
Ledas is better used when you are standing on upstairs.

I was hoping for a brand scroll to get that nice +5 rapier up and going, but that's an interesting point. So when I came across high MR enemies, your suggestion would have been to switch to a long blade and hero/finesse up? I suppose that would also give me the riposte as well.... I forgot that dem...

Probably +2 demon blade of electrocution from Orc and higher Dodging could help, switching should be easy with heroism/crosstraining and crazy damage with finesse.

I switched to playing online and was playing my first online game on some new server without realizing that it does not display HP bar around the character icon. I was killed as DD with vampiric weapon and crazy defenses/HP by awaken trees while still thinking that I am at 100% HP. Probably it is al...

It is already fixed in DCSS CA fork where unique runes are guaranteed to be in first N Pan floors, not sure why devs don't copy the solution.

I believe we should replace player HP numbers with HP bar. As noted above, defense numbers are useless without offense numbers and if devs don't want to display offense numbers, they should not provide defense numbers either. Also player HP should be randomized every 500-1000 turns, i.e. you can hav...

It is very hard to estimate how really new players experience the game, or how easily they quit (although we know from the survey that many players keep playing despite never getting a rune). However, I am sure that while some new players may be scared off forever from something like a paralysis de...

I agree with OP that having shafts for new players is terrible design. I believe that disabling shafts before first rune of a player and Zot traps before entering Zot for the first time would be much better. This way new players would concentrate on learning the game and would quit playing less ofte...

Being forcibly placed out-of-position into an unexplored floor full of out of depth monsters (comparative to your level) and being forced to travel back up three staircases, probably triggering timed portals on the way, all because "well you didn't passively detect that shaft trap", is no...

Shard1697 wrote:I survived this situation just fine though.

So what was the challenge then? Is reading tele and then fear and spamming potion of heal wounds cool+fun? That's basically optimal answer for 95+% of shafts which land you in situation like this.

Haelyn wrote:You know what? I feel a lot better about myself now. Thank you.

That hostility reminded me why I left the forum so many times. Do you really think there are no good players who hate shafts? You missed the point, get out.

agreed, shafts are great http://i.imgur.com/656fR2X.png no but seriously I actually tend to like them a lot. trying to find your way back up out of a scary depth is cool+fun The cool+fun are subjective and thus should be in the same optional category where player ghosts and random god altars are.

I agree, also I would use rElec, rF+ boots in Snake for sure unless I already have both resistances.

I have literally never made a long term decision about food. I have never, ever ran out of food. Not as a spriggan, not as a spellcaster, not as a gozag worshipper who doesn't buy food shops. Well, what about http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/Shard1697/morgue-Shard1697-20140910-201308.txt with just 3 bre...

Join Xom as Naga/Centaur because it will give you a barding.

As a bonus SH will not be completely useless vs the most dangerous monster in the game.

Wow, what a ridiculous thread... Ok, situation: you open a door and see Ancient Lich who is adjacent to the door and hastes itselfs immediately, your actions? You have no place to blink, you have no silence scroll/spell, closing the door won't help because the lich will open the door and will do it ...

I am pretty sure answer for second question is incorrect but I am not duvessa to remember all details. I just remember that the slower weapon monster uses the slower it attacks.

Using summons, teleporting away or just requiring luck for tier1 stabs and safe retreats is just what weak characters do to win the game. So yeah, end game SpEn is very hard, it is probably one of few combos who can die to training mistakes, I will take HOGl of Makleb and alike anytime.

If you are a good enough player to think that boots of running is a mere extravagance you do not need, then I feel like you probably shouldn't care too much about getting reisistances on your feet slot, either. qw bot never retreats via running (as far as I know) and still wins in >1% games so boot...

I had +0 boots of running and +4 boots with rN+ hence 4 AC difference.

ydeve wrote:Sandman, your boots gave 2 extra AC, not resistances you already had plus -2Slay.

+4 AC, not +2 AC. I won that game with +3 FDA so I am sure I didn't have spare scrolls of enchant armour.

The better player I become the less I value boots of running for 3 runes game. With careful play you can run away from normal speed monsters without running ego and there are a few dangerous monsters with speed 11. It's nice but I have just checked my winners and found I was using +4 pair of boots o...

Hydras do change the way I play melee Nagas and Chei characters, I basically must go with M&F You could train axes and bash hydras with a mace on crosstraining alone (or pick up a few cheap levels of M&F). With those characters I usually have to fight first hydra I meet (because I am always...

I would read a scroll assuming both fear and blinking are not identified. For future games always training Dodging to get around EV 28+ with Sp at this stage, never train Poison magic above 10, never train spells which are already at 1% failure rate unless you are going for higher level spells. Also...

Many late game monsters with elemental attacks seem to be balanced around player having corresponding resistance as swap. If the intention is to reduce equipment swap, their damage might be decreased, damage reduction from resistance might be decreased and maybe equipment swap cause light draining. ...

Arrhythmia wrote:probably because 1) that wouldn't work with faith as it was and

what do you mean? Faith always reduced current piety as far as I remember, it does not matter how many turns it takes to be removed.

Why wouldn't they just make amulet swapping take 10-15 turns instead?

http://crawl.chaosforge.org/Property:Monster_experience

Edit. Ignore it, I misunderstood the question.

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