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I haven't played hellcrawl at all, but I still have an uninformed opinion based on comments I've seen other people make.

So in my opinion, the answer is... choko.

Unless you get teleportitis. Or berserkitis. Or slow reading. Or frail.

I strongly disagree with the OP. By the time mummies can reasonably get access to 'infinite XP', they've effectively won already, or are capable of it. Thus, by grinding XP they're reducing their chances of winning. Non optimal tedium isn't a problem. Plus any character can keep scumming pan forever...

I agree that zot traps, and really traps in general should be removed. I really hate the zot 5 situation where I just have to walk into a trap (and in the case of a zot trap, I have to type "yes", leading me to believe the game doesn't think I should be doing this). But that's a wider issu...

It's kind of a weird holdover, Oka used to take piety away whenever allies died, thankfully that was removed. I would guess the reason the ally hurting conduct was left because "Eh why not", after all it's rarely relevant.

I've never used spellbinder. Do the miscast effects hurt you too?

Do you mean with an enchanter start, or a random character who found confuse in a spellbook when you talk about the orc priest or wizard? 12 levels in hexes is a pretty significant investment by lair, honestly, if hexes isn't your primary killdudes. 16-18 levels by vaults is what you'd want your pri...

Oh you clever bastard... good point...

OK then, I guess the wand draining effect just has to be removed. Otherwise it's wand throwin' time.

Ahah! I though of that. You can't throw a wand out of LOS, and still have it end up past the zot trap, unless you're willing to clear both zot lungs, in which case you apparently didn't need the wands past the trap in the first place. It's fine if you drop them on the 'safe' side of the zot traps an...

Greyr wrote:Oh yeah, you'll be fine. Just make sure you focus Rupert first. Nikola hits like a wet noodle and Rupert doesn't have any HP to take abuse.

A wet noodle being struck by lightning as it hits you maybe...

Occasionally Zot 5 has both paths blocked with zot traps. Even more occasionally, a player is unable to blink past them, and is unable or unwilling to attempt randomly teleporting past them. So in that case they must step on the zot trap. I don't like it, but that's not what this post is about. One ...

So you're saying that at basically any point in the game, if I find confuse, invis, darkness, or silence in a spellbook, I should train hexes up to be able to cast those spells, assuming I'm not following trog or playing a race with bad hex apts? Does that mean I should also improve int on character...

This is the worst reply I have ever heard. Perhaps your argument here (for a lack of a better word) would be more compelling if you, dunno, posted winning Dg morgues with better strategy, or wrote me what a better strategy is? That reply has many thanks (mine included) so obviously it was not a bad...

Heh, new webtiles user asked this question: Also on the servers, how do I (can I) get the same info display of inventory that's bottom-right on the desktop? Not exactly a statistically significant sample or anything, but I bet far more people would like an inventory display there instead of a monste...

It's correct and informative that rast is an absurdly egotistical person? Oh OK... And duvessa said "They don't have the knowledge to teach that ". That clearly being game design. The inference being that the devs don't have the required knowledge of game design, they're just as ignorant a...

No, your fix suggestions weren't good. They were bad. If they were good they would have been implemented.It's not worth developers' time to take the years to teach game design to these people, especially the absurdly egotistical ones like you who assert they're better designers than the entire devt...

To a point I agree. That's why my question is should it be that way. I'd go further than relevant, I'd say it's outright crippling. And that's why I first ask is this intentional or desirable? Does troll hunger matter in non-gozag games in an interesting way? Is it worth that mechanic just to effect...

Actually, the sumerians figured this out years ago. 1. A hot dog is just the sausage, so by itself it is certainly not a sandwich. 2. A hot dog in a hot dog roll is still called just a hot dog, and is its own thing, and thus not a sandwich 3. A hot dog in a folded piece of bread is a sandwich, in th...

I know. When I play trolls I make sure to hit the tab key extra hard, since the troll is so strong. What happened is really just a terribly embarrassing death. I was in the fleshworks wizlab, tabbing away for great justice. I waded into the middle of a bunch of very ugly things (what?!?) including s...

Why remove both of them?

In my experience, that's not the case.

But that's not terribly relevant to Pakellas anyway.

Trolls are a fun race in crawl, and are pretty differentiated from the other races. One differentiation is their food habits. Normally, a troll has a much faster rate of getting hungry, but also has intrinsic gourmand. They also used to have sapravore, back when it was relevant. In normal 3 rune pla...

Gozag's piety decay is hunger. If you use autoexplore and have to buy an extra food shop, then you've gone and made autoexplore quite sub-optimal. I just played a FO of gozag, very high speed killing, no real waiting around, and i had to empty out 2 food shops because very little food generated. Any...

Well, it didn't matter anyway, I managed to die in a hilariously stupid manner. Did you know even if you press tab extra fast the enemies get to hit you just as much? Seems unfair...

Wow, ok, so 3 enchant for 1 base damage is clearly way off for realistic scenarios. Good to know!

Hmm... so it's pretty close then...

Well, it's probably the wrong decision, but I think I'll stick with the battleaxe of freezing and save the 1500 gold. That's half a bribe branch!

Thanks for the quick response!

I've got a formicid with a nice enough battleaxe of freezing, and just ran across arga in a shop for 1550. I'm following gozag, so I get more gold than most. For a non FO, this would be a no brainer, take arga and use a shield. On a FO though, it seems somewhat less clear. Another thing to keep in m...

But treating enchantment as equal to base damage is always going to be wildly wrong, as you don't run around with 0 weapon skill, 0 fighting, and 0 strength either. But yeah, the amount enchantment is less valuable than base damage is dependent on your skills and str. FSIM is best, so long as you ke...

Yeah, very true that they don't become useless late game. If you got level 27 hexes for free you'd be stupid not to use it throughout the game, including in zot.

Best magic school in zot, doubtful to me, but also irrelevant, as skill XP can be freely spent, it's not restricted to magic schools.

Please stop putting words in my mouth. I've said a number of times hexes aren't useless, just that they're not the best way to spend XP. In fact I said it in the post you quoted. And something working 50% of the time against 80% of the enemies, many of whom are popcorn, doesn't make it great. Unbran...

Yes, that's a very important point I should have mentioned, attack speed is very important. The exec axe might have higher damage per hit, but if you only have 18 axe skill it's gonna be slow, and you'd be better off with the less damaging battleaxe.

It's about more than oofs, although they are relevant. There are a lot of high MR enemies. They don't become useless, but they do become less useful. EV isn't entirely useless against OOFs, dodging that bolt of fire is good. Poison spells suck almost all game, not just at endgame. Getting confuse to...

fsim is probably your best bet, as it will give you average effective damage, probably the most meaningful number in terms of weapon effectiveness. However it doesn't account for things like draining making your enemy weaker, poisoning damage over time, and things like that. As far as a quick rule o...

What exactly is this webtiles mouse control? Is it basically the same as offline tiles mouse control, or is it just for lists?

Well there are generally enough scrolls of silence for liches, and like I said, evo can trivialize the same enemies that hexes can. You've also got iron trolls, golden dragons, juggernauts, various uniques, etc... There are a lot of enemies hexes aren't well suited for, generally due to super high M...

Or corpse drop + animate dead, once you have animate dead. A horde of zombies solves many problems.

Is it worth the XP to get confuse powerful enough to disable monsters instead of training something that would make them not dangerous enough to need disabling? I'm sure there's a breakpoint, being able to disable an orc wizard or priest at range early on is so amazingly helpful, and not that expens...

duvessa wrote:congrats you came up with a ds mutation worse than demonic guardian

Whoop Whoop! This is the tone police and you are under arrest.

But... that makes even less sense! Rotation isn't measured in frames per second. There aren't any frames! At least that we know of. Maybe it was a really tricky trick question. A dead man rotates at the same framerate that everything else in real life occurs at. That what I get for reading the OP an...

It's a trick question! Rotation can't be measured in feet per second! Now, if you're asking the surface velocity of a dead man spinning in his grave, you're going to have to give me a little more information. We'll assume siegurt was correct that a dead person rotates at 6 rotations per second, we'l...

If sparkling fountains were too spoilery....

Hexes don't become useless, neither do daggers. Still, there's much better ways of winning then the least reliable tool you could find. Of course, nobody forces you to just train hexes. But in zot you would have been better off training something useful. However, maybe hexes are the reason you were ...

To me, another direction to take ranged, which is fairly similar to where it is now, but not quite the same, is to make it a strictly worse version of conjurations, with strictly worse damage than melee. At that point, I'd remove the ranged skills entirely, and have it be driven by fighting and str/...

I read your initial post a few times now, trying to see what you're talking about in this post. I have apparently failed. Nevertheless, I think after your initial replies people have re-stated their issues with it, and the initial problems are still relevant. This is a bad item that for some reason ...

If shields gave a guaranteed 20% incoming damage reduction, I think everyone would use them. Remember, the value of this is that it makes spikes less extreme, and conversely, harm's problem is that it makes spikes more extreme. 20% less damage on average is much less valuable, because what you care ...

I'm not going to even reply seriously, that's how ridiculous this complaint is. Do you notice that the thread is in Dungeon Crawling Advice? It's here because I could not find a use for it, and other people may be the same. I did not imagine that some people often play just by looking at the monste...

That's interesting, but depriving slower combos of XP leads to a real snowballing problem. You were a little weak on D1, so 1/4 of the enemies vanished. On d2 with 3/4 of the XP you should have, you were only able to kill 5/8 of the monsters in time. Now you're on D3 with... I dunno... 11/16 of the ...

That's interesting, but in the end it sounds like a buff for IOoD. I look at its unreliability as a bit of a balance to its power, as it is a single school non-elemental damage spell. I suppose if you had it significantly lose power or slow down near walls maybe it comes out more even on balance, an...

That's certainly an interesting take, but I think the monsters would have to take the items and shops with them, otherwise I could gather myself lots of free loot early in the game, then use it to clear the extra packed floors. It also has the issue of making it seem like the player is doing OK unti...

If you were trying your hardest to win, and an amulet dropped that caused you to take 25% less damage, but also deal 25% less damage, would you wear it? I certainly would! At least, most of the time. This is why it's a no brainer to never wear amulet of harm as is. Make it +25% outgoing, +10% incomi...

The IE book will take you farther than the Wz book. Throw icicle and summon ice beast are useful for longer and against a wider range of enemies than mephitic cloud. I do like the Wz book, it's a nice start, but if you don't find more books soon you do find yourself in a tough place trying to kill m...

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