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Well, wands of slowing got removed so here's that.

Bad as in what, OP?

nago wrote:I wonder how and why he survived so far

Code:: Sp: invisibility, swiftness, blink, teleport self [emergency]

Golden.

Elitist wrote:I think fun is good justification

for removing something

Would you please stop acting like a piece of shit? Thanks.

Thanks for agreeing, m8.

Here's a true side by side comparison of IE vs. FE. IE level 1 spell: Freeze, can't miss, ignores AC. A++. FE level one spell: Flame Tongue, misses all the time, complete garbage. Thus I conclude that IE rules and FE is garbage. Thanks for agreeing (btw if you agree that IE > FE you also agree with ...

Most demons aren't poison immune anymore. PArrow isn't a "late game" spell, either.

(not good at all)

Deep Elves get 20% less HP per level than Humans and -2 Fighting aptitude. Those are pretty bad for any kind of character, but especially bad for a melee one.

How did it work? Were you cornered?

Fruit logistics.

It seems like even in games balanced for competition there are usually characters and strategies that are considered obviously better. Balancing is hard.

Just to clarify, I thought NaEn is good because Nagas are fairly stealthy, because playing as one I'd wear a robe/lighter armour for a solid part of the game anyway and because EH/Confuse are very good and are easy to get running on a race with good magic affinity, which a Naga is. I'm not arguing w...

Why not just make a difficulty setting instead of tying difficulty into race? Because some races will always be better than the others - backgrounds have much less influence on the game then races and even here we have some very obvious winners and losers. Might as well embrace it, I suppose, inste...

Shard1697 wrote:Fo is not a weak species though

yeah they're the "terrible" ones

dynast wrote:Playing a robe wearing

Well, most of my Nagas worn robes or lighter armours at least until mid/endgame...

dynast wrote:slow moving

What other kind of Nagas is there? Very slow moving?

dynast wrote:When you can figure out why SpEn is a good combo

You're greatly overestimating my mental capacities, I'm afraid.

Really? I thought NaEn was one of better Naga builds. The only thing that annoyed me was how the confused/unaware enemeis would reposition too fast compared to my speed. Stand still so I can stab you, damn it!

It's XL13, actually!

dynast wrote:I dont see how lack of haste impacts the one race that does not need it.

I guess I just don't understand how to play Nagas, then. Or how to use Haste. Possibly, both!

In my defense, you won't find a single post of me protesting Haste and /hasting removals. I'm just saying they do impact Nagas somewhat stronger than they do normal speed races. Well, in my opinion, anyway.

Yeah well, back when I played Nagas I would often either learn Haste pretty early (can't do that now) or acquire a wand (ditto). Now I only have the same amount of potions every other race has. That's kind of a hit considering you can't just walk away lmao from most things as every other character c...

The only use altars have nowadays is converting to a god. To do that, you press > and then confirm with Y. Note that if you already worship a god (Trog in your case), converting to another god will make your first god angry and jealous, and he will attempt to kill you, and probably will succeed.

well Nagas did get hit hard by /hasting removal and I guess /tele is more important for Chei dudes maybe

Different times, back then the shield meme was "worthless", current shield meme is "great".

Shtopit wrote:Guess what, most people don't play at all.

That's such a clever and relevant observation!

Shtopit wrote:unless you like spending 95% of your playing time in D 1-4, then there comes a time in which you have to take it seriously and handle it as important

Or you can just take a combo that doesn't suck.

Bad design, obviously.

Wow, thanks. Fixed.

Actually IIRC they were pretty good at some point. At least with Trog/Oka.

"Turns out one of drawbacks of being slow is being slow."

Is it a scabbard or a blade???

lethediver wrote:lets just make everything early game as stupid as possible

Early game is great fun, though. It's just not important!

lethediver wrote:why not just remove d1-5

You'll just shift the unimportant phase further. It's not about difficulty, it's about time investment.

more like a top poster tbh

Oooh. That makes sense.

Slow autoexplore? Do you think a Chei character takes twice more real time autoexploring or something? I don't get it. Do you mean that you'll have to switch it on/off often?

CanOfWorms wrote:just train throwing, get a decently enchanted blowgun and a bunch of needles from oka

Holy crap, never thought of it!

I don't think venom brand damage depends on weapon base damage at all. A fast weapon of poison will destroy anything not immune in early game. Same with elec and drain.

Implojin wrote:You awkwardly throw a vestigial +0 fun.
You hear a sizzling splash.
A great rumbling fills the air... all fun has been destroyed!
You feel sad for a moment.

Xom laughs nastily!

Orcs live short, violent lives, they're used to that kind of stuff happening. Jeez, Sandman, do you even fantasy?

Well, you can still cast. And bite. And maybe hold a dagger's hilt in your mouth and run into monsters and stab them (can't read scrolls, quaff or cast while doing that).

Wow, thank you Implojin, I'll try that!

@bel: I'm so used to mashing Spacebar in Crawl combat at this point so a simple "more" prompt wouldn't do me any good.

Orcs are the best Tolkien race, though.

What do I put in my rc to require typing "yes" confirmation when I'm getting petrified? Please spoonfeed me. P.S.: asking for a friend.

Ice Beasts actually help with the whole "slow movement" thing a lot.

Hellmonk wrote:believe that style of play gives a better estimate of objective species balance

I guess that's what I'm having a problem with, yes. I respect people who streak.

I never said midgame was not important...

Lategame is not important for most crawl players either because they never get there Replace "lategame" with "postendgame" and you'll have the official Crawl dev stance, actually. However, this is different. Lategame strength is precisely important because most players' characte...

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