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Hydras move through water faster than they do over land (and faster than you do), so if you're being chased by a hydra, try to avoid giving it steps through water in it's path to destroy you.

This is indeed a lot of interesting deliberation and swerving into what is interesting or not interesting only clouds the issue further. I'd just like to say that if level 1 spells (in general) were to be addressed as being unbalanced, that it should take a back seat to adjusting the balance issues ...

This is a lot of crazy for a single thread!

I'm not going to make any eloquent arguments about this because a lot has already been said. I'll just add that it's been my experience that when trying to play *awful* combinations that leave you scratching your head how you can possibly survive, when you find confusing touch you have a viable path...

The way you handle huge zig levels requires a few things: 1) life on kill (Mak+necromutation) 2) method of gaining mana (sublimate or channel energy via staff) 3) firestorm at the edge of LOS (brings monsters to you and kill them before they deliver their payload) 4) tornado (to kill larger piles th...

Jiyva is an interesting toy if you just want to tinker around with combinations, but I don't generally like Jiyva. If you're at a point where you can manage so many god swaps for the purpose of doing detailed character engineering, consider it as goofing around more than the most direct route to win...

I will concede that Haunt is a good spell, and I should have mentioned it. Here's the irony though, the best application for Haunt that I've found is to kill Tzmitzles(sp?!) that have both torment and dispel undead. Torment is *bad*, therefore neromutation is very helpful when facing off against tor...

If doing a full 15 rune game, and not worshipping TSO (which is a bad idea, but hey there are demonspawn, etc.) then Necromutation is an extremely useful spell. It isn't particularly easy or efficient to train for because 1) you don't generally need a lot of necromancy skill trained for much beyond ...

The best solution would be to introduce fatigue into melee ranged, so that spell casters didn't feel like they had the unfair disadvantage of spell hunger, which does in fact serve some useful purposes although they may not be obvious at first.

A wand of paralysis or polymorph from max range should do the trick.

In my experience Tukima's dance usually results in the offending monster getting hit. The weapon is faster than the Orc, and spawns in front of the Orc as often as behind it. (I think in a random square radius 2 from the original monster.) It helps if you're fighting a lot of monsters and they get ...

The best thing to do to him is use a scroll of silence and unload on him (consumables, evocables, bash his face in quickly, etc.). If you drink flying when you first encounter him, it can help with the shatters. If you get rooted I think the point is that it stops you from flying, so I doubt it woul...

it used to be the Amulet of rMut

In both cases a hypothetical optimal player using spoiler knowledge about what consumables exist in the game (and possibly their drop rates) is hugely advantaged over a player just reading in-game displays. Just as a player who reads the details about the capabilities of every automatically identif...

Weapon power is not directly dependent on weapon mechanics. If I make every mace do 100 base damage will you still use axes? I am not commenting on whether "Axes are the best weapon type" here. The issues are: ⋅ For polearms, is the "interesting" aspect bigger than th...

I would be against any change that makes polearms less busted because axes are nearly always the wins most choice outside of 0 skill weapon use. I don't want another long blades situation where all it does is punish already weaker races cursed with aptitudes not suited for axe wielding by giving th...

I don't like the idea of removing the ID mini-game because I find it often fun. [...] On the topic of difficulty, I'd like to see the game remove large "spikes" of difficulty. What I mean by spikes are things like, you're on d:1 and a pack of jackals and a couple other things just happen ...

You're not very stealthy (not stabbing with dagger), you have long blades trained to 6 but not daggers, you have low STR and you're primarily a spell caster by a fair margin. I'd recommend you take the +8 int. The primary concern is the -rF, but as a blaster-caster, you need to be able to nuke stuff...

What's your opinion on gold dragon scales? rF+ rC+ rPois and can be enchanted +12. Is it better than crystal armor? Gold dragon armour is almost always better. Even if you have gear to get resists in other slots, there is an opportunity cost to using that gear. You have to ask yourself what you cou...

Ditch the robes, start pumping armour skill, get into ring or troll armour - and look for something even better (plate, other dragon scales). Don't try to cast the super high level spells until you've got armour and fighting trained up decently. You also need to bring up your strength. Yes, I know I...

I don't like the idea of removing the ID mini-game because I find it often fun. There is some skill in choosing when/where/what to use even when you don't have stuff ID'ed, and in choosing what to ID, etc. It doesn't feel like a problem to me, just more game dynamic. On the topic of difficulty, I'd ...

Instead of Dith, try the god that allows you to strike stuff by moving around it... umm forgot the name offhand, Ukasomething I believe. You may also want to use an acrobat amulet. Ultimately, it's fun to toy with but less effective than other more straightforward techniques. Sounds like you're thi...

Instead of Dith, try the god that allows you to strike stuff by moving around it... umm forgot the name offhand, Ukasomething I believe. You may also want to use an acrobat amulet. Ultimately, it's fun to toy with but less effective than other more straightforward techniques.

There are two primary reasons that turn me off to Jiyva: 1) Mutations shuffling all the time, and keeping track of them, and reacting to the changes seems worse to me than dealing with mutations when I get them either from potions, malmutate, or remove them with Zin. I avoid malmutate as much as pos...

Once again, I'd like to suggest that there is no perfect way to create score, and while we maybe can refine the parameters of the one best scoring system, it will never satisfy everyone. On the other hand, introducing multiple systems of scoring could.

I like your ideas. I would play DD versus currently, I have no interest in playing DD. One thing to consider: the new version may be very interesting early and mid game, but by late game, it could become too powerful. I'm of the opinion that heals on kills is about the best thing you can have, and i...

Necromancy is very appropriately referenced in this Necro thread. What the heck! I see nothing wrong with retabling an old topic for further discussion, if the problem it references still exists. Creating a new thread would divorce further discussion from the context previously contributed by other...

I like the system in tournaments where players get extra points for streaks. Currently there isn't any scoring system outside of tournaments which accounts for # of successful runes gathered with no death across multiple games. It'd certainly have to be a separate type of score than the current one ...

All this talk about OOF damage and no one mentions their extreme tankyness. They are still quite dangerous with rf+++ as fighting one usually means you are fighting a bunch of other shit because they are loud af and you cant lure them very far. As far as rf is concerned, you never want to make sign...

It prevents low intelligence characters from multiple attempts to cast a higher level spell with a low success rate. It also works like an alternate (but different) form of mana for pure casters. It gives necromancy users more things to consider. It gives intelligence and spellcasting more reason to...

Necromancy is very appropriately referenced in this Necro thread. What the heck!

@bel, very nice write-up! I've long thought about the scoring implementation and what could be done to further improve it. In the end, it's fairly complicated though (as you've demonstrated) and changing one thing to favor one method or another often just leads to skewing the results from one end to...

My idea for a solution is to implement persistent spells like deflect missile, but *each time* they have an interaction in the game, charge the mana cost. So let's say you get shot with an iron shot, and deflect missiles blocks it... charge 6 mana, but do not turn deflect missiles off. Another exam...

It doesn't bring you any closer to casting shatter or ignition. I would train for spells I have rather than spells I hope to find. In the dump he hasn't found Shatter, Firestorm, Ignition, Crystal Spear, or even Tornado. If you train a ton of earth for the sake of Shatter, and never find Shatter, i...

Huh? Conjurations improves most of those spells simultaneously, most importantly Fireball and Iron Shot. It doesn't bring you any closer to casting shatter or ignition. Train conjurations if it's much cheaper, but really iron shot and crystal spear aren't as important as ignition and shatter. Iron ...

I don't like the idea of non-persistent buffs because of the quality of game play issues. I like deflect missiles for example, because you don't need to recast it over and over and you could play tediously if it did expire. I do remember in the past where the sequence was like: cast, cast, cast, cha...

It's a strong ring early game. I'd replace it past the opening game, unless your entire build is focused around stealth and you don't have any other better options.

Focus on blasting. Iron shot, crystal spear, and ignition should do the job. Beyond that, shatter and firestorm. I recommend more into fire and earth than into conjurations. Conjurations is just the icing on top of the cake once you have those others up very high.

Yes, so in Bcrawl demigods get some god abilities and +3 invocations. The abilities are Temporal Distortion, Growth (and walk though plants), Major Destruction, Heroism, Divine Shield, and Smiting, one for each pip of piety. I'm using Heroism a lot, Smiting & Divine Shield a fair bit, and I use...

I wouldn't mind two flavors of demonspawn from the game start: monstrous demonspawn and demonspawn. Or, just better yet, turn monstrous demonspawn into it's own race: monster

Removal of silver sounds good to me. I'd rather not be tempted to collect yet another item, in case it should become relatively more useful than something else (I find a manual of throwing...etc.). For me the reduction of inventory/stash clutter and temptation outweighs any special cases where holdi...

I'm not a fan of shortbows primarily because they preclude the ability to use shields, and a normal shortbow sucks compared to a more well defended basic melee character. If you find sniper early on enough, it is a good enough case to consider a substantial investment in crossbows and foregoing the ...

Thanks much. I suppose streamlined goes hand in hand with ease for me. Quick question: I can see a small "vault" made entirely of translucent material, without doors or portals. Seems empty of enemies but full of loot. Do I understand correctly that I cannot blink in, wand of dogging won'...

They cause a lot of swinging all over the place.

No one has yet mentioned one of the main benefits of throw flame/frost instead of oh I can conjure flame if I need: Throw flame's range plays well with a more stealthy build. When you first encounter a target, if it's at maximum range and sleeping, you can potentially fire at it before it wakes up,...

No one has yet mentioned one of the main benefits of throw flame/frost instead of oh I can conjure flame if I need: Throw flame's range plays well with a more stealthy build. When you first encounter a target, if it's at maximum range and sleeping, you can potentially fire at it before it wakes up, ...

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Dying early game due to lack of luck isn't that rare. The most experienced players who are also careful will have the majority of deaths very early on. Dying later on in the game is more likely to be due to mistakes rather than purely bad luck of the rolls. So here's what happens, the players who ca...

:shock: You live up to your name VeryAngryFelid Sorry, I didn't mean to offend you. I tried to explain that "every time you die you know there's something better you could have done" has nothing to do with death, it can be replaced with "every time you win or lose you know there's so...

My claim was that he could not expect to kill any death oozes with a wand of clouds before getting killed himself. I'm not going to read your ramble about how to wedge a wand of clouds into what is a very simple strategy: Use immolation to blow up a lot of slimes. As far as I can tell, the OP's exe...

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