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Hand crossbow has a min delay of 10, greatsling has a min delay of 7. All crossbows have high damage in exchange for a lower rate of fire.

Bat form abyss is basically a free rune.

Yaras makes discord much safer to use.

You should often expect a stabber to need to transition into long blades around depths when short blades falls off. Enchant that demon blade up!

Sometimes it's really hard to tell if a post is sarcastic.

Any combination of Shadow Creatures, Vipers, Deflect Missiles, blink and pog should be sufficient to clear through zot 4, and give you more than enough xp to set up for zot 5. The only notable spells not mentioned that I'd keep my eyes out for are sublimation of blood and death channel (in that book...

First, committing this hard to summoning before you found a spell to build into was a mistake. Don't do that. Not knowing what spells you have available: Freezing cloud is my first thought. It is really cheap for an ash summoner, and ice beasts are immune. It also is great in elf, and elf 1 and 2 is...

@Airwolf I've had great results with early Melee^TSO, especially since his irritating conduct was removed. I've never been sure if its because he is strong or I'm just getting lucky while playing him. 2* Divine Shield and halo accuracy makes for an clean early transition into 2h weapons without sacr...

Vaults 5 is typically saved for after depths. It is significantly more difficult than vaults 1-4. Potions of curing remove confusion from the player. Gourmand is generally bad. At the end of the game you had this much perma-food: Comestibles f - 21 bread rations g - 20 meat rations l - 23 fruits Q -...

Don't get discouraged, it sounds like you did really well.

FR: add a giant spear and giant spiked spear to the game. These have a range of 3 and are carried by enemy ogres.

You can't bless that eveningstar. It is an artifact. You can easilly finish a 3 rune game with that eveningstar. That eveningstar is better than any weapon you could bless unless you are in hells, pan, tomb, crypt, or the abyss. That eveningstar is a perfectly good weapon in those zones anyway. You ...

Depths usually has a demon whip. Vaults sometimes has one. They are uncommon but not entirely rare before that. Pandemonium and certain hell branches have lots of demon whips, they are common weapons enemies spawn with, but they are post endgame content and not done in a 3 rune game. The vestibule o...

Hungry ghosts can do a trivial point or two of damage, but can provide all sorts of nifty tactical utility, similar to using a bat to make space between you and a tougher monster, or keeping an orc alive so the centaur closes to melee instead of shooting. They can also block your escape route in a c...

People clearly like big clubs.

They are way more of a noob trap at -1 than they were at +3.

It is only with a slight lack of sincerity that I recommend the atheist unarmed MuMo . You want to immediately drop your robe and run with no body armor, this will let you use your unencumbered stealth to choose only the best fights. Going unarmed guarantees access to your endgame killdudes on d1. D...

MuNe is fine. Mu^Gozag is fine. MuNe^Gozag is questionable. I leave it up to the reader to identify the inefficiency in this strategy.

If I'm not afraid of collecting mutations: Pan. Get all the pan runes and then steamroll hell for the win, saving tomb for last. This is my general play. I generally skip extended entirely if I am afraid of mutations though. I frequently try to set up for Tomb before either. This decision gets made ...

I'm an oddity in that really enjoyed poison's place in the game before Pcloud was removed. Damage spell school that comboed into fire, worked well with necro, and capped at level 6 with poison arrow as a third alternative to an alternative to earth or OoD for single target caster damage. I had great...

Looks good to me. You have dragon from on a transmuter, just get lots more fighting and maul everything. Don't play too sloppy and you'll be fine. Fighting should generally be equal to or higher than dodging as your primary defensive skill on draconians unless dex is abnormally high. Bonus Draconian...

Please note that player early player wielded distortion weapons is tremendously powerful. As in way better than early game elec powerful. As in a trash teir base weapon with distortion can stabilize your character through level 20 where the abyss is not intimidating powerful. For most players it is ...

I once had a character that used heroism in every fight in an atempt to never get to finesse. I failed, maybe mid lairish?

Uhh... Are you trying to tell me I don't think skilling is fun? That I might be wrong about me thinking skilling is fun? That I should be skeptical about what I profess to be fun? If I were to write paragraphs of explanation as to why I find it fun would it give my claim merit? Because I could, but ...

If you haven't tried TSO since the quality of life improvement, its not bad. Invokable shield is good with trivial investment, and if you go all the way to 6* you get to bless a weapon, which is great and stabilizing. The +2 on a decent base type is frequently all you need though vaults. Holy brand ...

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I really like skilling. I think its fun.

Was all o.O when I saw a luguno zigbuster. Thought to myself "goddamn corrupting that many levels had to have been fun." Was Disappointed: Action | 1- 3 | 4- 6 | 7- 9 | 10-12 | 13-15 | 16-18 | 19-21 | 22-24 | 25-27 || total -------------------------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+...

So that whip simply can't cut through mobs with AC. Without going to wizmode: any reasonably branded +2 flail sounds fairly equitable, within the realm of whip stats mattering. All branded demonwhips, morning or eveningstars, and dire flails represent an improvement. Demon/Eudemon whips or eveningst...

First and Foremost: I don't see any uses of pale dragon breath. Pale dragons are frequently considered the best dragon because pale dragon breath is so strong. Use it all the time in every fight. Breath should be on cooldown all the time. Action | 1- 3 | 4- 6 | 7- 9 | 10-12 || total ----------------...

Rolling through dungeon and lair with an lightly trained +2 spear of distortion and feeling like the king of all you see is pretty amusing. Distro daggers are good but spears are amazing.

Read more scrolls of tele when you are higher HP before trouble develops. You"got cornered by lightning hounds." Lightning hounds are something you don't want to mess with. You can't kill em easily at low levels, and you probably can't afford to tank a few shots even if you can. They block...

You had 4 scrolls of tele and died in the abyss.

You chose to follow chei. Don't be angry when you can't get to that abyss exit portal cuz your slow ass can't move.

You are losing a lot of value to chei with this build. Transmuters don't need crazy stats, but they usually like to move around. Chei gives away the ability to easily move around in exchange for crazy stats. You never cast sticks to snakes, which is a critical error on any transmuter. You never made...

Alphaeus wrote:This type of choice is ONLY workable with Cheibro, do note -- I would not usually do this. If I was going with a different god, I would choose between heavy spells or heavy armor, not both.

I think you are overestimating the amount of XP that is in the game outside of zig/pan.

Skill XL: | 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 | ---------------+-------------------------------------------------------+----- Shields | 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 14 15 17 | 17.3 Maces & Flails | 3 4 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 | 14.9 Armour | 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 | 12.0 Spellcasting | 1 2 3 4 ...

@majang, there are plays you can make if you are focused with your training that if you are less able to make if are less focused. The Delayed Decision By making a choice to train one thing, you are delaying the choice to train everything else. This delay has value. Each choice you make is more info...

Crosstraining into a weapon swap should never* be a plan on a melee focused character. Sometimes its a good choice as a result of a floor god (extreme example: a vamp/speed laj shows up), or a late game swap into holy wrath at a point when this amount of xp is irrelevant. But starting a character in...

That rapier is trash. The only reason it might merit carrying around is as a source of SInv. I'm glad to see you going into this build as an EE rather than a fighter, this makes way more sense. Stop training 10 skills at once. You are wasting time. What is the one thing you want next? If you want pe...

I'd rather use the free turn now to get away from the stairs so the stairs don't become so deadly especially for a spriggan with a few ally abilities that really doesn't want stairs to become a mess. Pull things away from the area if possible. Reading a ?tele will still be available after ?fog. I'm ...

?Blink left, ?fog and run. Maybe sputterfly before fog, but you have great MR.

Once you get out of LoS of things read a magic mapping.

Your digging isn't identified but you have 14 evocations and 9 ?recharge. You can dig out a deep hiding spot if you need to.

Duvessa is one of the most knowledgeable people on the forums, one can learn a lot about the game from reading his posts. Kindness and respect are not natural strengths. I heard someone described at a going away party: "This person knows how to both demand respect and show respect to others. A ...

Foreward: This post has nothing to do with crawl, this forum or the crawl community. The reason I am posting it here is because some of you may be knowledgeable about such things. Is there a metric for measuring toxicity in a gaming community? I'm mostly thinking about multiplayer games. I played a ...

All forms of optimal crawl play are rather degenerate. A vast majority of users use the buttons o and tab a lot. Yet we keep having conversations about what the optimal winrate player (always winrate, never score) would or should do.

The effect of dex on damage was microscopic for non-whip maces and flails, 2h polearms, and all axes. 1H polearms and 2h swords were relatively split from str/dex weighting. 1H swords, staves, and daggers all scaled better with dex than str at the time. Specifically in the cases of lajatangs and dem...

I'm not blaming dex. Dex being in a weak place isn't a result of changes to the Dex stat (exception: weapon damage scaling change). Largely, the game has changed to make dex characters less viable for reasons you mention, and specifically in the realm of physical characters, both pure and partial, t...

Ozo's is a good spell and will rarely show up in your morgue values.

You probably could have taken mennas with your army, but a good chunk of your army would have been shredded.

60 defenses is my 3rune ready for endgame threshhold. I typically have characters end between 60-80.

Also, the reason dex characters aren't in the meta right now is because dex is in a bad spot right now.

Shield Weighting: If using a buckler, Dex gives better returns than Str. if Shield, Dex = Str. They are equally weighted. If Large Shield, Str gives better returns than Dex. Being that large shields are rare and rarely used, it is generally misleading to say Str > Dex for the purposes of shields wit...

DiveGod The god of diving branches, divegod wants you to dive. This god provides knowledge and speed, and utility, but very little in the way of damage. Divegod allows a free charge of his active abilities to be used each floor. Likes: Decent without exploration: Dislikes: Upstairs (Prompts piety lo...

Do people do this? Do people want to do this? Is this actually a problem that needs solving? "I was thinking about playing mummy but i didn't want to wait for tens of thousands of turns on each floor." or "I'm super excited to play mummy because I want to wait for tens of thousands of...

One of the challenges during the bi-annual tournament is to defeat the game without entering lair, orc, or vaults. It takes you directly to D15 and then into depths, which is approaching the early endame content for a 3 rune game. I generally attempt it with a very powerful character (VSBe is a favo...

Mennas is much more powerful than a large amount of characters when they first encounter him, especially in vaults. He has one of the most powerful kits in the game. A better rule of thumb is don't fight mennas. Still, that is lacking, as he isn't indestructable or anything. Not fighting him doesn't...

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