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Yeah, blasters are easier to play because all you need to do is keep your distance and leave your escape routes open and gtfo before you run out of MP, and everything around you just dies. Ranged weapons can't dish out that much damage. Melee leaves you vulnerable because even with perfect kill-tunn...

but blinking makes noise at the destination unlike passage of golubria. Have you ever stabbed something by getting next to it with a scroll of blinking?

That's not item destruction as we know it. Looks fine.

I don't want to put words in the devs mouths here, but I think the intent is to just see how the game plays with no rmut at all. While it seems manifestly obvious to a lot of people in this thread that the answer is, "It doesn't play very well," it's still worth testing out, to see if it ...

It was brought up quickly in the other thread that it feels wrong to have considerable HP costs without a way to rapidly recoup that loss, and too dangerous. So then how about this god give healing on kills, like Makhleb? Makhleb abilities are unbelievably good when you first get them in the early g...

Amulet swapping is smoother than ring swapping, but it's more because of how amulets and rings have been designed up to this point. The list of properties that rings (tend to) have makes them more swappable, and amulets have been generally designed so you wear one most of the time with several amule...

Or remove 'p'raying over orc corpses from Beogh like it happened to any other god recently (why hasn't it happened yet?) It could be because devs like to spread changes over several version (nemelex in 0.15, two other gods in 0.16, two more gods in 0.17) or it could be that they just forgot; like, ...

That wouldn't really make things any easier for that Naga. That would just segregate the a-e abilities and the f+ abilities to 2 different menus. For no reason, you would have to go to one menu for some abilities, and another menu for others. Why not have all the abilities, divine and otherwise, on ...

If you increase the number of amulet/weapon/boot slots, on the other hand, then you need to figure out what should happen with every combination of two amulets/weapons/boot egos, because combining them was previously impossible. But is this really an issue? The only egos that can't currently be fou...

yes I did I also killed one of the golden eyes by accidentally bumping into it while confused and wielding the lantern of shadows I evoked wand of fireball to maybe kill the other, but then it moved away from a wall got into close quarters, and a friendly shadow spawned nearby Dungeon Crawl Stone So...

Problem: I downed all of potions of curing that I had taken with me to the Slime Pits, but I guess my MR is too low so the 2 golden eyes you see kept re-confusing me. Meanwhile, two acid blobs joined in on the fun. I drew an entire deck of defense but nothing good came up. I don't have a wand of tel...

merge with scroll of brand weapon: "scroll of apply ego". You forgot to make crystal plate armor ineligible. It doesn't seem right for you to do this on a +10 plate of ponderousness you found in Orc. And probably most experienced players would use it on boots/barding until they got running.

I would make having allied Brainless the only criteria for having Sic Brainless available. I just see no point in making the ability piety-dependent. Ideally, Sic Brainless is just hidden from view if you have no Brainless anywhere. Passive SInv is easy to write off, especially since few undead have...

Nah, the Brainless would regenerate health normally. They just gain incest-level intelligence and lose special abilities. They're not zombies or undead or anything like that. So I don't think the cost to acquire is high at all. You would just need to pick targets for their brute resilience and melee...

and there are abyss upstairs :roll:

Needle effects aren't obvious, for example, berserk =/= frenzy unless living creature of animal intelligence, and what would mutate do to monsters? And do heal wounds needles act like heal wounds? That would be like multiplying every heal wounds potion by ten. God seems to shoehorn you into wearing ...

Siegurt wrote:
MainiacJoe wrote:Curare plus Throwing 27 plus +9 Blowgun equals instakills on sleeping Orb Guardians!

And if they aren't sleeping, you can paralyze them with paralysis needles, then instakill them with curare.

You don't have to waste paralysis needles. Sleeping needles work just fine.

If size and insubstantiality are only used for net trapping, you can stick this size stat into the monster description screen: ++++: huge +++.: giant ++..: big +...: large ....: medium x...: small xx..: little xxx.: tiny xxxx: insubstantial The absolute deviation from medium size can tell you how re...

player under Fedhas penance should also ooze through nets

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dpeg wrote:Actually, I think that having the guaranteed Depths ziggurat and the guaranteed figurine is very kind -- in my opinion, the Depths ziggurat would suffice (with figurines at Zig:27).

There is more than one figurine at Zig:27? That changes everything!

I strongly disagree with limiting infinite zigs to people who clear the 27th floor, because you can still scum pan for randarts/scroll of acquirement. This means that potential mega-ziggers may still wander around pan looking to improve their gear set stead of spending their time in zigs. A 15 rune...

The p used to be essential because it was used for so many abilities. Now it has almost no use other than joining a god. Now, sure - it's not as bad as ADOM having a separate key for cleaning ears. Still, if you can reduce the number of keys the player has to know without needlessly complicating oth...

NEW - heal-on-kills like with Makhleb "Spread a plague worse than death!" Inhaca is a depraved god that spreads sickness and wallows in the infliction of horrible death, or worse! Appreciates: causing the deaths of all non-undead, non-nonliving (living, holy, and demonic) beings. Deprecate...

You can net flying creatures though, even wind drakes. I'm pretty sure they don't levitate. We should just have the whole table of resistances in xv with dots, pluses, crosses, and infinity symbols where appropriate. Even esoteric stuff like rDrown, rWater, rSticky, rSteam, rHellfire, rSilence, rPol...

...and two pairs of boots.

To be fair that's not too different from wearing 8 rings.

...4 articles of running...

If you miss:

Code:: You throw a throwing net. The throwing net closely misses the insubstantial wisp.

If you don't miss:

Code:: You throw a throwing net. The throwing net hits the insubstantial wisp. The net passes right through the insubstantial wisp!

This is what happens now.

Hope you find a nice white hat to go along with that.

crazy-good regeneration prob better than Major Healing, at least antimagic would be slightly less great against him and you wouldn't depend on him just forgetting to heal himself for 10 turns

sure, Zooty, but it would make dominating Tomb faster and more satisfying than luring greater mummies to spam dispel undead onto them, and Necromutation belongs to the transmutation school which is learned by many unarmed characters

add dig and shatter to his spell-list

Right, and I feel like, if we just have one kind of deck, why bother with the plain/ornate/legendary business? I wouldn't mind seeing decks go away for non-Nemelex characters anyway, so why keep the division at all? And, if there's just a single kind of deck, why not let it live in (a)bilities inst...

Yeah, all you say about Nemelex issues is this, and it's even grammatically incorrect to the point of being ambiguous: In current version, Nemelex's problem is simple: too less piety for too many cards. And you solve Nemelex's sole issue by giving extra piety for various busywork and: Triple draw, D...

uh-oh, you'd need to give it to liches and ancient liches too
they don't hit hard right now - liches have a 15 damage attack and ancient liches have a 20 damage attack

You can make that argument about literally any change made to literally anything. What if I loved nausea and playing the nausea mini-game was enjoyable to me? How dare they tell me how to play Crawl? This would be an apt comparison if nausea was optional, beloved by a lot of people, and really only...

if you retain infinite Zig portals in an infinite Pan, then the only reason to use a Zig Figurine would be as an escape item. It would be optimal to just grab the Tomb:3 zigurine and then continue scumming Zig:1-26, keeping the megazig counter low. no because (at least without a Tomb:3 Zigurine) if...

Number of cards drawn is max(5, number of cards you have) This allows dropping down to less than 5 cards if you want to conserve cards, so you should either give players the choice "How many cards to draw? (1-5)" every single time they draw (sounds bad), or require them to have at least 5...

I don't see the extreme annoyance in two shaft cards. Something like this would happen: You have drawn the Shaft. A shaft materialises beneath you! The skeletal warrior falls through a shaft! You have drawn the Shaft. _The skeletal warrior falls through a shaft! x2 The bat skeleton is sucked into a ...

He has one subtle point tucked away amid the insanity, just to be fair.

Well I can't figure out your system because you don't start with the basics. Are you jumping off this proposal or from current Nemelex design? One difference I see is that number of cards drawn is always 5 (unless you don't have 5?). For the same reasons that I encouraged making sure that gifted dec...

I have a feeling Crawl will eventually lift all restrictions to training trainable skills. Probably not tomorrow.

Oh, why do Nemelex design discussions tend to degenerate into advice about how to use him as-is? It's peripheral, off-topic and fosters a defensive atmosphere. Nemelex is annoying as hell, but it hasn't got much to do with how decks currently work :| Needing to deal all-but-one card from a deck that...

Dwight died on D:13 having never entered Lair or Orc. Orc and Lair should be taken at the first opportunity because they're safer than anywhere else you could be. Note that this applies only to Lair and Orc. All other branches should be left alone when you get your first chance to enter them, if you...

You know deck manipulation used to be impossible? So, Nemelex was originally pointless? This proposal reduces deck management to 1)tracking quantity of decks available and 2)manipulation of individual decks as they are drawn . Surely you don't think this would make Nemelex anything like a Makhleb wh...

brand weapon scrolls can give you vampiric but not antimagic, and it's for good reason that the brands are unevenly weighed.

what if enchant weapon scrolls worked like brand weapon scrolls on +9 non-artefacts?

Negative energy resistance does not have anything to do with rotting.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qzhs1Z8Rwnk

A single virtual deck like that would be rigid, confining your character to using a single stack from one end (nemelex's touch would not work). More god of fate than gambling when you have a single source of abilities you can gain some preknowledge of and maybe circumvent. Plain old triple draw and ...

How does rN help unless you plan to torment TRJ?

There's more than one way to consume a soup.

Mystery and research are better off as they are now, being randomly generated, or pre-designed areas that suggest a story without reciting it. Goals are more naturally generated by simply what the player wants, e.g. loot as incentive. It's a passive kind of quest system where no NPC yells "help...

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