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njvack: yeah I tried to address that in the OP at the end (though perhaps my wording was not clear). Avoiding tedious but optimal practices is a good design goal even if few players actually perform those practices. At any rate, it is an explicit design goal of DCSS, regardless. About pre-digging th...

Take off Dumeheol {rCorr rN+ SInv} and wear the +6 ev ring instead.

You already have rCorr on your hat.

If the +3 Dex shield only gives +1 ev, I'd probably go with reflection (again, already have rCorr on that nice hat of yours, so it doesn't matter that it is on shield).

Personally I don't think I'd do Slime with a DE that lacks a source of resist corrosion. If you got rCorr it can be easier than V5, sure. Note rC+(+) is also nice in Slime because azure jellies are pretty scary!

The weaker your character, the harder it is to deviate from that path, actually. I was told that by not doing the vaults 1-4 before doing the S ruins that my play was impatient. I read this and thought the dungeon order is way more complex than I thought. Here is where I am at, I suck at DE so I ne...

Voted Shoals and Slime, but it does depend on character and what exactly spawns in the Lair branches. Funny anecdote: Had a hell of a time on last level of Swamp (of all places) recently; all three stairs were fairly close to the lernean vault, and like 4 uniques spawned (including Mara). Eventually...

It's like over 20,000 words. Not going to read it thoroughly and do a point-by-point analysis, but from a quick skim, it is a mix of some good and quite a lot of bad advice, both of which are mixed up together and buried under a deluge of information that is not really necessary, with some misleadin...

Mod note: Welcome to the Tavern, et2088! I edited your post to do this for you, but for future reference, you should highlight your character info, and click the CODE button along the top of the text box, then post. Makes it easier to read, as you can see now. Advice: Keep Chei, not because you are ...

Currently, wands of digging permanently alter dungeon layout, which enables one to make "kill holes" that one then lures enemies into. It also encourages one to dig out tunnels in advance of the orb run to minimize time traveling between ascending stairs/hatches. My proposal is to make /di...

What if I want to play pure blaster-caster? Vehumet just seems the best. Well, intentionally building a "pure" blaster means you are making a weaker character than you need to be. If you want to add that additional stipulation on top of the challenge Crawl already presents, by all means d...

Yes. Staff of fire, ice, or air can do very good damage. The skill investment to access that melee damage is a great deal if you got the magic/evocations and only need the 12 levels of staves to hit min-delay. If not, there are probably more efficient ways for your character to get good melee damage...

The weaker your character, the harder it is to deviate from that path, actually.

On a hunter^trog recently I had 20 bows and 14 staves, got a vamp lajatang, figured, "Well, I will try to use it for a while and see how often I switch," but then I just held tab and won the game without having to hit ' ever again. Twenty damn levels in bows, a couple of rods, and my chara...

neil may have just solved the biggest issue (thx neil), but I still think demonic guardian can be really annoying, what with swooping in and blocking line of fire. I like the idea of an active ability instead. You can temporarily call a demonic guardian to aid you, but if the guardian dies, it takes...

spell schools should be thematic and not mechanical, unless you just figure the hell with it and call spell schools "MOVE foo OR you" "REDUCE foo.hp" "BUFF you" "SPAWN foo" "APPLY STATUS EFFECT TO foo" etc They are both thematic and mechanical, thou...

Can we remove player weapons too? Just having the options of "range" and "melee" should be enough. Making the player pick between complex things like axes, or short/long blades is way too confusing, and the variety is artificial. :oops: You could plausibly reduce offensive physi...

I'd be interested in trying a toned-down version of Qazlal. archaeo's point is well taken; a god conduct should meaningfully affect your game. But the intensity of the noise affects the game in ways that ultimately invite degenerate play. My issue with Q is not so much balance per se, but that worsh...

After a bit of reflection, here would be a simpler and more streamlined version of an evaporation god that would not involve distilling tons of corpses, which raises problems similar to corpse sacrifice. Upon joining: + Potions of confusion, poison, degeneration, and any potions that Ibn can eventua...

Also, I kind of want to commit to a final weapon type(s) well before I do depths. I mean, I will gladly swap out my battleax of freezing for a vampiric one that I find on V5 or in Depths:2 or whatever, but I will definitely want to have committed to using battleaxes long before I go below D:15.

I'd assume that weapon generation rates would be altered, if a change like this were implemented. One advantage of ion_frigate's framework is that monster damage and weapon drops would no longer be linked, as they are now, so they could be tweaked separately.

Yeah, OP's suggestion would not be trivial to implement, but it would streamline the interface and even improve the aesthetics of Crawl considerably, and would provide a framework within which a lot of other issues (e.g., polearms-mongering under Beogh) could be more easily addressed.

The "combine" ability looks like it could be a bit awkward in terms of interface, and in terms of the beneficial potions, it overlaps with Gozag (if I understand your proposal correctly). I'm not sure how you would combine three bad potions into an evaporate, either... Only one cloud can o...

It may not have been mentioned since OP joined Tavern a bit more than a month ago, to be fair. Great maces used to be much more common, now they feel less common than great swords. Moreover, flaming great swords and freezing battleaxes are eventually plentiful due to fire/frost giants. No such guara...

Well, I hope you aren't arguing that police should "shoot to wound" or anything like that. That's not the direction we were coming at it from. But I'm curious, why is that a bad thing to argue? No idea if this is what Sar was thinking, but intentionally aiming for a limb shot actually put...

Because it's not fun to forget to check every monster for that unlikely combination of equipment and then die from casting bolt of fire at a monster that does happen to have that extremely unlikely equipment. I have the feeling that the chance of actually dying from this are so vanishingly small it...

Congrats! Cool character, and it is always nice to see people succeed with unorthodox builds.

I cannot recommend that folks use axes with a troll, in general, however, and I think you are correct to pinpoint that armor (holy shit) as a major help. Using broad axes as a troll, not so much.

Right, I like to pretend there are not shock serpents in Crawl until the game forces me to acknowledge their existence, but there are situations (e.g., troggie with no good hex wands) where I might wear the rElec boots in Snake.

Arrhythmia wrote:That's starting to be too.....tough online?

Yeah, apparently. You actually called it!

Okay, here is the more apt analogy:

Hunger/food is like victory dancing.

that is a pretty tortured metaphor, i think. It is a pretty tortured feature in the game! In order to craft an analogy that fully applies, after all, one would have to imagine that susceptibility to the skip-a-few-turns imp varies based on species, skill choices, use of magic/rods, etc. The analogy...

As a tactical power to deal with problematic situations, I like Wallportation much better than Raise Wall. The latter will do nothing (in the open) or everything (in a tunnel). Yes, I agree Wallportation (name could use some work) is more interesting than Raise Wall. What about guaranteeing that sh...

Arrhythmia wrote:Extending it to "No corpse eating" would be fine too, though I don't favour this option as much because it may make people think that food matters.

And would also edge in on Gozag's "no corpses" shtick.

I have played more Crawl than I wish to admit, frankly. Once I died as a spriggan, technically from an enemy (cornered by centaur pack iirc) but really because I was out of food and had to explore/dive recklessly. This was before a food vault was guaranteed to spawn relatively early in the dungeon. ...

Running ego only appears on boots. Between an ego body armor and some jewelry swapping, you can usually (not always, of course) have MR+ and either rF or rC around the time you need to do Depths. At which point the artefact boots in OP lose some of their luster. Which would I wear? Depends on the ch...

Good point; letting player walk on water/lava makes water/lava matter more, not less! Editing OP to do away with that.

Reminds me of Wulndraste. https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=14463&p=199904&hilit=wuld#p199904 Oh man, I had forgotten about Wulndy! Though on reflection, it seems likely that some of Lasty's ideas for W must have been kicking around, just underneath my preconsciousness...

God of stone and traversing stone, Ignapikali favors the adventurer willing to plunge headlong into the unknown. Though admiring courage, Ignapikali does not appreciate recklessness for its own sake, and rewards followers with powers that help whenever they get in over their heads. Depreciates: Forg...

If you are a good enough player to think that boots of running is a mere extravagance you do not need, then I feel like you probably shouldn't care too much about getting reisistances on your feet slot, either.

When you first start playing, you should expect to die. A lot. Try not to die the same way twice, and aim to die without any useful consumables / escape options in your inventory. At least for me, when I first started I would save things like scroll of blinking, fog, etc. for when I "really nee...

@ Shtopit: I don't feel strongly either way, and the renaming you suggest would be easy enough to implement, but why do you think this would be a good idea to do so? It does also seem like the name "Dwarf" could confuse newer players, who are used to a particular gaming archetype that does...

From the description for damnation: These unholy forces harm the victim and anyone adjacent, and are not affected by any means of protection, such as armour or resistances. However, certain creatures...are entire unscathed by damnation. Given its new name, there is no necessity to mention that it b...

yaks are pushovers one-on-one by the time you enter Lair Am I crawling wrong? For lots of my games, yaks are kind of tough 1v1 when I enter Lair. Usually not "use a consumable" tough, but very much "even with a chokepoint, I can't take the whole pack at once." When I leave lair,...

As others pointed out, any summons that are not completely outclassed by the dude you are fighting tend to be very useful. As a player you see this phenomenon all the time; a yak is usually a pushover one-on-one by the time you enter Lair, but even yaks can give you grief if you allow an entire pack...

Quaffing experience for VSGl. Which one would you choose? Also don't forget that the more MP you have, the more MP you can restore with bite attack. Choice about quaffing !experience on D2 is rather different and a unique set of circumstances compared to, "How do I want to distribute my experi...

When I was having problems with VS, I got advice to train Evo early (right on D1-2) and it helped a lot. Really, that early? What background were you? Well, if Evocations only gave you extra MP (let's imagine that for a moment) I would still train it on a VS of Trog. Spirit shield is kind of good, ...

"Passives" can be exciting, and active abilities can be boring, sure. It doesn't break down neatly either way. Smoke bleed is great because it has a dynamic effect on your game play, despite being a passively activated ability. However I do think that constant buffs that do not greatly imp...

Assuming you want to win and there aren't challenge conditions (e.g., streaking without repeating background), you should just start as a berserker if you want to worship Trog, because berserk from turn 1 greatly outweighs any other considerations. Aside from that, in general I don't think it is a g...

it's ground floor, what are you talking about; if you think something is bad, just say, but I don't see anything funny The misspelling of Sif Muna may have caused people to think you were joking around. Anyway, I like the flavor of the piety gain, but it would mean almost no piety throughout Lair, ...

It may be worth mentioning that the confusion caused by the name "hellfire" is not hypothetical. Perhaps Tavern posters are more aware of these things now, but a couple of years ago it was not too uncommon to read something like, "I have rF++ so I should be covered against hellfire&qu...

Yeah, HO (or Mi or whatever) with a distortion battleax is very fun, and worth trying out. In general, distortion is still really good on a big weapon. You do want a different backup weapon, because blinking some enemies can be a problem. Basically it comes down to whether you want to mainly use dis...

Or we could remove these awkward restrictions that don't really create interesting decisions, have weird loopholes and exceptions, and do not mesh well with existing interface conveniences. TSO and Dith's restrictions are there for "flavor," which would be fine, except for all the problems...

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